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Technocentral

Ayden Thundering Poison wrote: »

humberklog wrote: »

Technocentral wrote: »

I'd never ask people I'm doing bussiness with who they voted for.

I didn't say you did not did I ask would you?

Throw a SAD in there and that could be a Trump tweet :pac:

I saw a guy in Cork in a MAGA hat on Saturday, far too old to be doing it ironically.

Glad to see Pat back, this "in how many ways is Leo just fantastic, let's count them" is a bit vommy though, he's really softballing them.

Thought he was critical of Varadker in that piece.

humberklog

doylefe wrote: »

What kind of loser asks a stranger from another country who they voted for.

Ah don't be getting your knickers in a twist- it's a sunny autumn morning and Pat's back

My "Ask them" reply was short as I was busy.

I don't ask people how they voted. I've a very relaxed little art gallery and have a few lines for different nationalities to relax them and have some fun.
Americans always want a backstory or narritive on a piece from the artist and I don't like that so have a tendency to turn the conversation to them and that's usually "Where in the States are you from?" If it's an obvious Trump state I'd respond by kidding them with "Yeeehar! Trump country! How's that fella getting on..." and from there there'd be chatting away about all sorts of things.

It's always kept as intended- light and fun and to turn the conversation away from me as that can get very very tiring.

So I don't ask them but it can come up in conversation. That conversation is created by me as a sales tool and not to create a political debate.

jobbridge4life

doylefe wrote: »

What kind of loser asks a stranger from another country who they voted for.

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LoL... having an interest in international politics is such a loser thing... I mean what a dweeb...

I'd much rather ask foreign peeps who their favourite Big Bang Theory character is? Or whether they'd watched the wire...

:P

Technocentral

humberklog wrote: »

doylefe wrote: »

What kind of loser asks a stranger from another country who they voted for.

Ah don't be getting your knickers in a twist- it's a sunny autumn morning and Pat's back

My "Ask them" reply was short as I was busy.

I don't ask people how they voted. I've a very relaxed little art gallery and have a few lines for different nationalities to relax them and have some fun.
Americans always want a backstory or narritive on a piece from the artist and I don't like that so have a tendency to turn the conversation to them and that's usually "Where in the States are you from?" If it's an obvious Trump state I'd respond by kidding them with "Yeeehar! Trump country! How's that fella getting on..." and from there there'd be chatting away about all sorts of things.

It's always kept as intended- light and fun and to turn the conversation away from me as that can get very very tiring.

So I don't ask them but it can come up in conversation. That conversation is created by me as a sales tool and not to create a political debate.

Trump voters defo don't frequent art galleries!!

Technocentral

Love to know the percentage of the population who care if their was an Irish Presidentacy or not, I'd say 10% max.

Tell me how

Technocentral wrote: »

Love to know the percentage of the population who care if their was an Irish Presidentacy or not, I'd say 10% max.

Are you asking who'd care if there was an election at this point? Or whether or not the office of President existed and was filled in Ireland?

If it is the former, I'd say maybe closer to 30%. 10% who think we need a new President, 20% who think the office needs to be filled via an election.

If it is the latter, I'd say closer to 90% would think the country should be represented by a President.

Technocentral

Tell me how wrote: »

Technocentral wrote: »

Love to know the percentage of the population who care if their was an Irish Presidentacy or not, I'd say 10% max.

Are you asking who'd care if there was an election at this point? Or whether or not the office of President existed and was filled in Ireland?

If it is the former, I'd say maybe closer to 30%. 10% who think we need a new President, 20% who think the office needs to be filled via an election.

If it is the latter, I'd say closer to 90% would think the country should be represented by a President.

The latter I'm arguing, has their been any surveys, it's just a waste of money

Loafing Oaf

Tell me how wrote: »

If it is the latter, I'd say closer to 90% would think the country should be represented by a President.

Possibly, but how many feel we need an elected president? If the president had been chosen by the Dail or through some other system from day 1, would there be a massive campaign to have him/her chosen by direct election?

Odyssey 2005

Eoin Murphy sounded like a fish out of water. So far out of his depth it amazing that he's not embarrassed.

ButtersSuki

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

Eoin Murphy sounded like a fish out of water. So far out of his depth it amazing that he's not embarrassed.

It came across as breathtakingly arrogant; and contained more cliches and buzzwords than you’d hear in a normal month of radio listening and management think ins combined.

I wonder how many hours of Terry Prone’s time will be billed to the taxpayer for his prep for that half an hour of air time? Everything he said was carefully scripted, formulated, and rehearsed - and came across as such.

He does sound somewhat sincere at times, but the over-riding feeling I got this morning was that he’s hopelessly out of his depth and it’s really just a matter of time before he gets moved aside.

zell12

What is a "housing system that needs to be restructured" ?
He was on Sean O'Rourke/Miriam last week too, waffling and stuttering his way through basic questions. How did he get elected?

realitykeeper

There is a petition doing the rounds to stop the Magdalene laundries in Dublin being sold to a Japanese company. If the sale went ahead it would be a good thing in so far as it would bring 12 million extra revenue to Dublin City council, - any privatization is always good even though the council would undoubtedly waste the money as state services do. The 60 apartments and other development planned for the site would help in supplying more badly needed housing.

But, coming back to the petition, does it have merit? Obviously those with a grudge against the Holy nuns would want the site preserved in order to continue this "bad old nun, bad Catholic Church" narrative but I want it preserved in the hope that it will one day reopen to unmarried pregnant women with nowhere else to turn. Their families rejected them, the state rejected them. There were no free houses to unmarried mothers back then and with a 200,000,000,000.00 + Euro national debt to contend with I suspect there will be no more free houses to unmarried pregnant women in the future either. Where will those women go if not to reopened Magdalene laundries? To the abortion clinics? In a minority of cases abortion would defeat the purpose of getting pregnant in the first place, i.e. to get a free house. And what about hell, a lot of people believe it exists and a lot of people believe women who have abortions will go there. What it they`re right? Despite all the rhetoric to the contrary, I suspect hell would be worse than the Magdalene laundries.

The laundries were really the last of the workhouses and speaking of workhouses and debtors prisons, Ireland really needs to reopen those also and scrap our bankruptcy laws altogether. Those who borrow should pay. I being a forgiving sort of bloke do not lend so unscrupulous borrowers cannot take advantage of my kind nature. One thing I have never understood is why companies like wonga are so vilified by their clients when wonga was there for them when they needed them. Have people lost all scruples and morality?

Tell me how

realitykeeper wrote: »

There is a petition doing the rounds to stop the Magdalene laundries in Dublin being sold to a Japanese company. If the sale went ahead it would be a good thing in so far as it would bring 12 million extra revenue to Dublin City council, - any privatization is always good even though the council would undoubtedly waste the money as state services do. The 60 apartments and other development planned for the site would help in supplying more badly needed housing.

But, coming back to the petition, does it have merit? Obviously those with a grudge against the Holy nuns would want the site preserved in order to continue this "bad old nun, bad Catholic Church" narrative but I want it preserved in the hope that it will one day reopen to unmarried pregnant women with nowhere else to turn. Their families rejected them, the state rejected them. There were no free houses to unmarried mothers back then and with a 200,000,000,000.00 + Euro national debt to contend with I suspect there will be no more free houses to unmarried pregnant women in the future either. Where will those women go if not to reopened Magdalene laundries? To the abortion clinics? In a minority of cases abortion would defeat the purpose of getting pregnant in the first place, i.e. to get a free house. And what about hell, a lot of people believe it exists and a lot of people believe women who have abortions will go there. What it they`re right? Despite all the rhetoric to the contrary, I suspect hell would be worse than the Magdalene laundries.

The laundries were really the last of the workhouses and speaking of workhouses and debtors prisons, Ireland really needs to reopen those also and scrap our bankruptcy laws altogether. Those who borrow should pay. I being a forgiving sort of bloke do not lend so unscrupulous borrowers cannot take advantage of my kind nature. One thing I have never understood is why companies like wonga are so vilified by their clients when wonga was there for them when they needed them. Have people lost all scruples and morality?

Who in their right mind, as an unmarried mother would walk in through the doors of a place with such a history to, in any way contemplate receiving car or solace as they are having a child.
Unmarried mothers are very well supported in today's society compared to previously.

As for Wonga. 4,000+% representative APR. Does it need to be explained why they are vilified? Really? Really really?

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, to some degree, but you cannot claim such things as above and expect it to be entertained.

Check your calendar. It is 2018.

zell12

Well it is happening. The former Magdalene laundry in Galway is being turned into a domestic violence refuge

Robert2012

realitykeeper wrote: »

There is a petition doing the rounds to stop the Magdalene laundries in Dublin being sold to a Japanese company. If the sale went ahead it would be a good thing in so far as it would bring 12 million extra revenue to Dublin City council, - any privatization is always good even though the council would undoubtedly waste the money as state services do. The 60 apartments and other development planned for the site would help in supplying more badly needed housing.

But, coming back to the petition, does it have merit? Obviously those with a grudge against the Holy nuns would want the site preserved in order to continue this "bad old nun, bad Catholic Church" narrative but I want it preserved in the hope that it will one day reopen to unmarried pregnant women with nowhere else to turn. Their families rejected them, the state rejected them. There were no free houses to unmarried mothers back then and with a 200,000,000,000.00 + Euro national debt to contend with I suspect there will be no more free houses to unmarried pregnant women in the future either. Where will those women go if not to reopened Magdalene laundries? To the abortion clinics? In a minority of cases abortion would defeat the purpose of getting pregnant in the first place, i.e. to get a free house. And what about hell, a lot of people believe it exists and a lot of people believe women who have abortions will go there. What it they`re right? Despite all the rhetoric to the contrary, I suspect hell would be worse than the Magdalene laundries.

The laundries were really the last of the workhouses and speaking of workhouses and debtors prisons, Ireland really needs to reopen those also and scrap our bankruptcy laws altogether. Those who borrow should pay. I being a forgiving sort of bloke do not lend so unscrupulous borrowers cannot take advantage of my kind nature. One thing I have never understood is why companies like wonga are so vilified by their clients when wonga was there for them when they needed them. Have people lost all scruples and morality?

I like your thinking, have you considered running for public office?

quintana76

Jaysus. Immigrant ****. I can hear the sound of non shattering eggshells.

two wheels good

realitykeeper wrote: »

SNIP...

The laundries were really the last of the workhouses and speaking of workhouses and debtors prisons, Ireland really needs to reopen those also and scrap our bankruptcy laws altogether. Those who borrow should pay. I being a forgiving sort of bloke do not lend so unscrupulous borrowers cannot take advantage of my kind nature. One thing I have never understood is why companies like wonga are so vilified by their clients when wonga was there for them when they needed them. Have people lost all scruples and morality?

Wonga were villified because:
- of their extortionate interest rate
- deliberately targeting financially vulnerable customers
- lending to customers who were unable to repay loans. (Hence the compensations claims Wonga had to pay out)
- sending letters from a fake legal firm to threaten their customers.

realitykeeper

Robert2012 wrote: »

I like your thinking, have you considered running for public office?

No. Voters tend to elect people I would consider stupid, corrupt and unprincipled so that counts me out and it explains our enormous national debt. Believe me, the national debt will become a master this country will be unable to serve. Wonga is one thing but the national debt shackles everyone together.

realitykeeper

two wheels good wrote: »

Wonga were villified because:
- of their extortionate interest rate
- deliberately targeting financially vulnerable customers
- lending to customers who were unable to repay loans. (Hence the compensations claims Wonga had to pay out)
- sending letters from a fake legal firm to threaten their customers.

Yes but the interest rates were there for all to see. A deal is a deal. The borrowers agreed and yet so many of them broke their promise! How unscrupulous is that! I absolutely agree nobody should ever take out a payday loan under any circumstances but if you do you should keep your promise because that is the honourable thing to do. Where is the gratitude to wonga for giving the loans to people who wanted them?

Tell me how

realitykeeper wrote: »

Yes but the interest rates were there for all to see. A deal is a deal. The borrowers agreed and yet so many of them broke their promise! How unscrupulous is that! I absolutely agree nobody should ever take out a payday loan under any circumstances but if you do you should keep your promise because that is the honourable thing to do. Where is the gratitude to wonga for giving the loans to people who wanted them?

Should drug dealers be praised for selling drugs to addicts who wanted them?

dominatinMC

Was this thread about Pat Kennys show one time...?

davef1000

realitykeeper wrote: »

No. Voters tend to elect people I would consider stupid, corrupt and unprincipled so that counts me out and it explains our enormous national debt. Believe me, the national debt will become a master this country will be unable to serve. Wonga is one thing but the national debt shackles everyone together.

You're some boy.

realitykeeper

realitykeeper wrote: »

Believe me, the national debt will become a master this country will be unable to serve.

I totally understand the argument that the cost of our national debt may become unsustainable.

But if it's so unsustainable, I can't see why you've chosen to focus on the cost of the national debt, as opposed to healthcare, social protection, education, or public service pay -- all of which are more expensive

We're not trying to pay off our national debt. No country ever does that, obviously. The cost of servicing our national debt is pretty huge, but it doesn't seem obvious (to me) that such an obligation cannot be discharged, just like our education budget (for example). nobody seems to get into much of a tizzy about the education budget. But mention the national debt, and people seem to run for the figurative bunkers.

realitykeeper

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I totally understand the argument that the cost of our national debt may become unsustainable.

But if it's so unsustainable, I can't see why you've chosen to focus on the cost of the national debt, as opposed to healthcare, social protection, education, or public service pay -- all of which are more expensive

We're not trying to pay off our national debt. No country ever does that, obviously. The cost of servicing our national debt is pretty huge, but it doesn't seem obvious (to me) that such an obligation cannot be discharged, just like our education budget (for example). nobody seems to get into much of a tizzy about the education budget. But mention the national debt, and people seem to run for the figurative bunkers.

When the last recession hit, the country was able to borrow more to fund the recessionary shortfall in the country`s day to day expenses, things like health care, education etc. This was only possible because others were prepared to lend to us. The reason they were able to lend was because they could increase the currency supply in the ECB and to a lesser extent in the BOE. The IMF also "helped" if you happen to agree with the policy of borrowing.

In recent recessions, the amount needed to keep the show on the road has grown exponentially and the next time will require so much credit that either our creditors will not lend what we "need" (again if you agree with borrowing) or they will lend but this will lead to hyperinflation.

realitykeeper

Something interesting is happening in the financial markets these days. There is a link between the rising US interest rates and the selloff in many emerging market currencies. Countries like India have US dollar denominated debt, so a strengthening dollar is bad for India. At present, if the Americans want to import something from India, they use US dollars. If India wants to import something from the US they use US dollars. Places like India have a trade surplus with the US. So, the US and India give each other digits on a computer but the difference in the balance is made up of free stuff from India to the US. Yet it is India that is suffering the currency crisis. A breaking point is coming that will see the US dollar crash and this will see other currencies crash because without the US dollar standard, how do you compare what other currencies or what commodities are worth? Commodities are likely to increase in price in such a scenario.

dxhound2005

realitykeeper wrote: »

A breaking point is coming that will see the US dollar crash and this will see other currencies crash because without the US dollar standard, how do you compare what other currencies are worth?

Thanks for the heads up as the jargon goes.

I was going to buy some dollars, but I better wait. I just need to know when this crash is coming.

realitykeeper

realitykeeper wrote: »

When the last recession hit, the country was able to borrow more to fund the recessionary shortfall in the country`s day to day expenses, things like health care, education etc. This was only possible because others were prepared to lend to us. The reason they were able to lend was because they could increase the currency supply in the ECB and to a lesser extent in the BOE.

EFSF/EFSM/ESM and IMF loans to Ireland, in the midst of the recent recession, as well as bilateral loans, long preceded the ECB's Asset Purchase Programme.

The Asset Purchase Programme began in 2014, which is when the IMF office in Ireland closed and the country was considered to have left the oversight of the various institutions. So I think you have your timeline wrong there.

realitykeeper

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

EFSF/EFSM/ESM and IMF loans to Ireland, in the midst of the recent recession, as well as bilateral loans, long preceded the ECB's Asset Purchase Programme.

Not sure how this is relevant. Debt is debt, regardless of whether it is owed to A, B or C.

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

The Asset Purchase Programme began in 2014, which is when the IMF office in Ireland closed and the country was considered to have left the oversight of the various institutions. So I think you have your timeline wrong there.

Yes, all kinds of shenanigans happened in the years following that infamous night in 2008. The IMF and ECB are different. The ECB gave the money for the asset purchase programme and if they had not the IMF would probably have hung around a while longer. Throughout the history of the IMF, most countries in financial difficulty did not have the ECB there to step in and (depending on your opinion) "save the day".

When the next crisis comes, the new ECB asset purchase programme would have to be big enough to dwarf the 2014 programme. That would either destroy the Euro (hyperinflation) or the Eurozone (disintegration of the EU) because the nordic countries would object.

Tell me how

realitykeeper wrote: »

Not sure how this is relevant. Debt is debt, regardless of whether it is owed to A, B or C.

Yes, all kinds of shenanigans happened in the years following that infamous night in 2008. The IMF and ECB are different. The ECB gave the money for the asset purchase programme and if they had not the IMF would probably have hung around a while longer. Throughout the history of the IMF, most countries in financial difficulty did not have the ECB there to step in and (depending on your opinion) "save the day".

When the next crisis comes, the new ECB asset purchase programme would have to be big enough to dwarf the 2014 programme. That would either destroy the Euro (hyperinflation) or the Eurozone (disintegration of the EU) because the nordic countries would object.

Why are you posting this on the Pat Kenny show thread? There are other threads on boards where discussions like this are taking place.

realitykeeper

Tell me how wrote: »

Why are you posting this on the Pat Kenny show thread? There are other threads on boards where discussions like this are taking place.

Ok lets talk about Pat Kenny. Should he reimburse RTE for they money they had to pay Sean Gallagher? He gets a good salary because of the ratings so should he not get a bill because of the suings?