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Technocentral

kneemos wrote: »

Definition of left/right is variable depending on where you live shirly?

How so?

Tell me how

Technocentral wrote: »

You define right wing so.

Well, I stand by my earlier statement that you should educate yourself. Make a cup of tea, go on google and read articles from reputable sources

In my mind there isn't a simple definition. The definition often put forward by one group is in itself influenced by their own biases.

Broadly speaking, I view right wingers as more traditionalist and against change for changes sake. Also, particularly in the US they are vehemently opposed to governmental involvement in their lives through the creation of legislation which they view as limiting as to how they might choose to live. In other regions, the strongest motivation is one of nationalism as opposed to globalism or multiculturalism. In yet more regions conservative views are focused on the religion angle.

Some others could write a more comprehensive or indeed accurate description here but this is my simple take on the concept.

For balance, here are my views on what the ideology of the left is.

Left wingers are more open to the concept of societal evolution and development. They promote inclusivity, consideration and care for all members of society, especially those who have too small a voice to speak for themselves. They recognize that we are occupying the planet temporarily and that our actions on how we use it will influence the capacity for others right now and future generations to use it also. They recognize that being compassionate towards fellow members of society is in the best interests of everyone in that society.

As a final point, here is what I think some reading this might actually describe as left wing views.

Left wings are those who are trying to out do themselves to be seen to be the most politically correct and who can come up with the most radical way of saying that everyone and everything is normal no matter how weird or unnatural it is. They think that no one can make a joke anymore just in case someone somewhere might be offended and they think that it is ok for some people to just decide they do not want to work and that those that do work should take care for them so they can enjoy everything in life. They think that if someone is offended about anything, they can ruin the life of the person who they view as having caused the offence.

Stronger than any political ideals are our personal ideals as humans. For the most part someone does not think in a particular way because they are right or left leaning but rather they are right or left leaning because of the way they think and have been raised to think. A counter to this point are some people who are manipulated by media and strong political characters (on all sides) to become extremists without understanding the ideology they profess to hold.

P.S. I strongly advise you now proceed and educate yourself. The above is not the bible according to Tell me how and if you asked me tomorrow, I might have a slightly different answer.

kneemos

Technocentral wrote: »

How so?

A left wing view in Ireland could be an extreme view the US or a middle of the road view in say France.

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Technocentral wrote: »

kneemos wrote: »

Definition of left/right is variable depending on where you live shirly?

How so?

What's considered extreme right wing in this part of the world (e.g. the DUP) is relatively unexceptional and centrist in say, Hungary. What's dangerously extremist leftism in the states, like Bernie Sanders, is fairly standard here. Marxists and literal communists would regard themselves as just very basically leftist, whereas many people who regard themselves as leftists would view them as extremists or idealists.

Left wing and right wing are necessarily relative terms to each other, and they're diverse and dynamic.

I'm definitely to the left of centre socially and economically, but I can understand that right wing or conservative doesn't mean actually evil or completely lacking in compassion or empathy. Extend some empathy (and common sense) to them, obviously their motivation isn't "haha let's be dicks to minorities!" (though it is often the upshot).

Technocentral

I totally agree with Pat, HAP and Rent Allowance just pushing up rent.

Technocentral

People who are mentally and physically fit should be in education, training or work, no excuses.

Callan57

Technocentral wrote: »

I totally agree with Pat, HAP and Rent Allowance just pushing up rent.

Yea .. a direct transfer from taxpayer to a property owning elite.

Technocentral

Callan57 wrote: »

Technocentral wrote: »

I totally agree with Pat, HAP and Rent Allowance just pushing up rent.

Yea .. a direct transfer from taxpayer to a property owning elite.

Housing needs to be provided by State for renters, private property market should be for house sales for owner occupiers only, not profit by renting.

VinLieger

Technocentral wrote: »

private property market should be for house sales for owner occupiers only, not profit by renting.

Many would describe that as an extreme left wing opinion

jobbridge4life

Technocentral wrote: »

People who are mentally and physically fit should be in education, training or work, no excuses.

One is required to be searching for work to be in receipt of job seekers allowance. This is already the law.

Technocentral

VinLieger wrote: »

Technocentral wrote: »

private property market should be for house sales for owner occupiers only, not profit by renting.

Many would describe that as an extreme left wing opinion

If they were an idiot maybe.

Tell me how

Technocentral wrote: »

If they were an idiot maybe.

You seem intent to get banned from this forum.
You are aware this is the Pat Kenny thread? Conversation does touch on the topics covered on the show but there are several other places on boards where they are covered in depth.

Calling someone who opposes an entirely socialist view is in itself evidence of an ignorant position.
As I posted earlier, I consider myself to be left leaning on the political spectrum but I have as little time for your extreme position as those that think Donald Trump is a genius.

Tell me how

I'm sure there are many who want to appear to be PC as they perceive it to be popular but I think it is unfair to accuse everyone in the media/academia of only professing leftist views for such reasons.

It's as accurate as suggesting that all right wingers want to harvest the organs of immigrants and have the immigrants pay for the associated healthcare themselves.

VinLieger

Technocentral wrote: »

If they were an idiot maybe.

Charming

bloodless_coup

Jess as competent as ever. Claiming she has the first "Google Phone" available in Ireland with the Pixel 3

I've owned multiple Google Nexus phones purchased off of the Irish Google Store and as far as recall I saw tge Pixel 1 and 2 available for purchase there too.

Tell me how

doylefe wrote: »

Jess as competent as ever. Claiming she has the first "Google Phone" available in Ireland with the Pixel 3

I've owned multiple Google Nexus phones purchased off of the Irish Google Store and as far as recall I saw tge Pixel 1 and 2 available for purchase there too.

Could she still not have the first Pixel 3?

Could easily understand how it would be given to her ahead of general release given the exposure it would get.

bloodless_coup

Tell me how wrote: »

Could she still not have the first Pixel 3?

Could easily understand how it would be given to her ahead of general release given the exposure it would get.

No she said you could never get Google phones in Ireland before.

kneemos

doylefe wrote: »

No she said you could never get Google phones in Ireland before.

Says here no retailers were willing to stock the Pixel phone.

https://goosed.ie/google-pixel-2-ireland/

VinLieger

kneemos wrote: »

Says here no retailers were willing to stock the Pixel phone.

https://goosed.ie/google-pixel-2-ireland/

While brick and mortar stores didn't stock them there was numerous ways to get them online like there is with literally anything these days.

Kinda Ironic in jess being the tech correspondent but at the same time she seems to be completely ignorant and dismissive of online retail.

My general feeling on Jess is she is a tech "expert" in that she subscribes to a load of techy blogs, specifically phone and tablet related, that tell her what to think and say on the radio.

If you asked her for example how to setup a home media server, what software to use or to troubleshoot a hardware or software issue i don't think she would even be able to competently google the problem.

kneemos

VinLieger wrote: »

While brick and mortar stores didn't stock them there was numerous ways to get them online like there is with literally anything these days.

Kinda Ironic in jess being the tech correspondent but at the same time she seems to be completely ignorant and dismissive of online retail.

My general feeling on Jess is she is a tech "expert" in that she subscribes to a load of techy blogs, specifically phone and tablet related, that tell her what to think and say on the radio.

If you asked her for example how to setup a home media server, what software to use or to troubleshoot a hardware or software issue i don't think she would even be able to competently google the problem.

Well you can probably a Bazooka online if you had the notion.

5555555555

Very weak performance there by Michael D.

I can see why he's trying to avoid live debates.

jace_da_face

5555555555 wrote: »

Very weak performance there by Michael D.

I can see why he's trying to avoid live debates.

He’s a shoo-in though. Pity there are a few really good candidates in the running imo.

Loafing Oaf

jace_da_face wrote: »

He’s a shoo-in though.

Now 1/33 with PP. I'd say that's pretty much the odds he suffers a major health scare between now and polling day

VinLieger

jace_da_face wrote: »

Pity there are a few really good candidates in the running imo.

There really are not. Ni Riadh is the only one who I would consider a real candidate and yet I still wont be voting for her

Tell me how

VinLieger wrote: »

There really are not. Ni Riadh is the only one who I would consider a real candidate and yet I still wont be voting for her

I wonder how many will actually be still in the race come polling day?

I'd be surprised if some didn't pull out to save funds given the minuscule chances of success.

I'm thinking particularly of Gavin Duffy and Peter Casey.

kneemos

Tell me how wrote: »

I wonder how many will actually be still in the race come polling day?

I'd be surprised if some didn't pull out to save funds given the minuscule chances of success.

I'm thinking particularly of Gavin Duffy and Peter Casey.

Duffy might be a dark horse.

Casey is 500/1 though.

Tell me how

kneemos wrote: »

Duffy might be a dark horse.

Casey is 500/1 though.

Is Duffy a dark horse really though? Or is he a dark horse who is also miles behind the other runners? On what basis has he indicated that he could be considered an appropriate occupant of the office of the President.

I think we as a nation can be proud of the presidents elected over the last several cycles and hope this continues this time around.

humberklog

I missed parts of the show today but am I right in thinking that The Charleton report only got talked about during the gathering slot at the end?

Coillte_Bhoy

5555555555 wrote: »

Very weak performance there by Michael D.

I can see why he's trying to avoid live debates.

I thought he was quite good and where is the idea coming from that he s trying to avoid live debates?

Technocentral

Like him or not hes the only one who really appeals to the new progressive Ireland, big support amongst young people especially , look at the amount of gigs in support of him etc