The Pat Kenny Show

meeeeh

splinter65 wrote: »

It’s ok meeeh. You got it wrong. But you don’t believe in biology either.

So all you are capable is half arsed insult. Ok.

splinter65

meeeeh wrote: »

So all you are capable is half arsed insult. Ok.

Don’t ever assume anything.

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kneemos wrote: »

There's still time to do it right though.
However they'll persist with a hospital that's hard to get to,no parking and don't even know if they'll get planning for a maternity hospital.

There's 1000 car spaces.

Blanch would be awful to get to as the M50 is jammed for hours every day.

James' linked by the Luas and many buses and is walking/cycling distance away for the hundreds of staff. Blanch is accessible only by car for staff and users. So James' is infinitely more accessible.

Pat forgets this as I suspect he doesn't use public transport.

tayto lover

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There's 1000 car spaces.

Blanch would be awful to get to as the M50 is jammed for hours every day.

James' linked by the Luas and many buses and is walking/cycling distance away for the hundreds of staff. Blanch is accessible only by car for staff and users. So James' is infinitely more accessible.

Pat forgets this as I suspect he doesn't use public transport.

In a major emergency like a train crash they are unable to land the big helicopters at James.
A specialist on Pat Kenny Show spoke about the trauma of moving seriously sick children by ambulance in cases like this.

kneemos

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There's 1000 car spaces.

Blanch would be awful to get to as the M50 is jammed for hours every day.

James' linked by the Luas and many buses and is walking/cycling distance away for the hundreds of staff. Blanch is accessible only by car for staff and users. So James' is infinitely more accessible.

Pat forgets this as I suspect he doesn't use public transport.

Some staff might live nearby,but others won't be able to afford to live in the city. Also who wants to use public transport at night,even if it's available.

Forget the percentage of parking given over to the public,but compared to other hospitals it's tiny.

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There's 1000 car spaces.

Blanch would be awful to get to as the M50 is jammed for hours every day.

James' linked by the Luas and many buses and is walking/cycling distance away for the hundreds of staff. Blanch is accessible only by car for staff and users. So James' is infinitely more accessible.

Pat forgets this as I suspect he doesn't use public transport.

apologies I'm I'm dragging this off topic, but if the M50 is jammed, isn't that an even stronger argument against St James's? The ambulance service will not only have to navigate the M50, when coming up from the countryside, but the Warren of streets around St James's also.

For the record, I don't find the M50 jammed per se. I use it daily and it's certainly hazardous, but for a lot of it, the emergency services would be immune from the general traffic.

Not so in the case of the St James's site.

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A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

apologies I'm I'm dragging this off topic, but if the M50 is jammed, isn't that an even stronger argument against St James's? The ambulance service will not only have to navigate the M50, when coming up from the countryside, but the Warren of streets around St James's also.

For the record, I don't find the M50 jammed per se. I use it daily and it's certainly hazardous, but for a lot of it, the emergency services would be immune from the general traffic.

Not so in the case of the St James's site.

City bound traffic don't use the M50. The M50 is a ring road around the city.

Much faster to get from Cork to James' than to Blanch in rush hour.

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kneemos wrote: »

Some staff might live nearby,but others won't be able to afford to live in the city. Also who wants to use public transport at night,even if it's available.

Forget the percentage of parking given over to the public,but compared to other hospitals it's tiny.

Many staff live near hospitals for on call reasons. They often live walking distance or along a transport line. This means they don't need to own and maintain a car. So they have more money to spend on rent.

Having it in Blanch would not be suitable for this preferable way of life and would lead to more congestion and pollution.

Hospitals shouldn't prioritise parking anyway. Visitors and staff should use the public transport available to them to ensure less congestion at the hospital.

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tayto lover wrote: »

In a major emergency like a train crash they are unable to land the big helicopters at James.
A specialist on Pat Kenny Show spoke about the trauma of moving seriously sick children by ambulance in cases like this.

Yes this is a major flaw. But Blanch just doesn't have the transport infrastructure or the housing for the thousands of staff.

This is why London located their Children's Hospital right in the city centre. So people can leave their car at home and use public transport to get to work or to visit.

daithi7

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Much faster to get from Cork to James' than to Blanch in rush hour.

Yeah right!?

Oh you must mean by helicopter...

Naw that won't work for James's either!!!

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daithi7 wrote: »

Yeah right!?

Oh you must mean by helicopter...

Naw that won't work for James's either!!!

Train to Hesuton and then a short Luas.

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Train to Hesuton and then a short Luas.

With a sick child who's immune system is already compromised? Oh Lordy. I thought this comment was sarcasm at first.

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City bound traffic don't use the M50. The M50 is a ring road around the city.

Much faster to get from Cork to James' than to Blanch in rush hour.

I know that, I'm from Tipp, I drive through Kilmainham most weekends to get home. What I mean is, is the M50 is jammed, it inevitably leads to disruption in places like Kilmainham and in the approach roads to the M50, and as anyone who knows the area knows, St James's is not well served by QBCs, let alone an approach for emergency traffic.

splinter65

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Train to Hesuton and then a short Luas.

You must be joking. With a sick child?

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splinter65 wrote: »

You must be joking. With a sick child?

Presumably they'd be transported by ambulance or by car.

For staff,visitors and for regular check ups.. Yes people should use the train and Luas.

Ian O'Doherty said he heard people are queuing for an hour just to get out of James'. Two things on that. One... can people not use public transport rather than contesting the hospital? And two.. If he thinks the traffic will be worse at James' , wait til he sees what it will be like if it's placed in Blanch. Only one way in and one way out. No rail or tram link for staff and users. It will be a nightmare.

This is why they've decided to place it at James. The future is public transport..not more cars and driving.

Callan57

Interesting to see what will happen now in light of the statement from BAM?
What makes anyone believe the cost will stop at 2 Billion? As I understand it the actual hospital hasn't even started yet so no reason why it won't go to 2.5, 3, 4 or 5 Billion .... at what point do we say enough is enough! I know we need a childrens' hospital but this idea of a hospital at any cost is just ridiculous. Halt it now, cut our losses & begin again using a bit of common sense next time.

Callan57

Callan57 wrote: »

Interesting to see what will happen now in light of the statement from BAM?
What makes anyone believe the cost will stop at 2 Billion? As I understand it the actual hospital hasn't even started yet so no reason why it won't go to 2.5, 3, 4 or 5 Billion .... at what point do we say enough is enough! I know we need a childrens' hospital but this idea of a hospital at any cost is just ridiculous. Halt it now, cut our losses & begin again using a bit of common sense next time.

I'm still not over that statement by Varadkar recently, that 'barring an asteroid hitting Earth', the Children's Hospital will be delivered in accordance with the current plans.

Talk about handing a contractor a blank cheque. I don't believe it will even stop at 2 billion, and I don't believe there will ever be a maternity hospital on that site.

I cannot understand how Irish people can look at their payslips¸at their tax deductions, and at the funding which will no longer be available for important healthcare infrastructure, and not be livid about this? This is a lot bigger than property tax or the water charges - it's a massive cash transfer to private companies by people who are paying fast and loose with our tax contributions.

Del.Monte

I'm not a fan of PK but he's dead right about the hospital fiasco and he should keep banging on about it every day and drag as many experts and politicians onto to the show until the madness is stopped. Like others here I don't believe for one minute that the cost will stop at €2 billion and how many other projects will have to be axed to feed this out of control juggernaut.

While I'm down in my local, trying to deaden the pain, my eye always come to rest on the CF fundraising jar at the end of the counter; what a shambles, as good people the length and breadth of the country struggle to raise funds for vital medical projects while the fools in Leinster house piss the money away in an orgy of waste - e voting machines; Thornton Hall Prison and now the Children's Hospital.

splinter65

The Mercy nuns. Or The Sisters of Charity.
Now THEY knew how to raise the money to build a hospital, and get it built.
I doubt if any building company were ever even fully paid for any work they ever did on a hospital or a school built by the nuns.
Imagine Paddy the plasterer walking up to the convent door with his unpaid invoice. He’d s**t his pants before he’d hand it to Mother Superior. A decade of the rosary, sorrowful mysteries is what he got paid.

Speaking of the Nuns, I can't understand why St Vincent's didn't apply for the National Children's Hospital project. They're about to construct the new National Maternity Hospital on that site, which is already a major teaching hospital, and there's plenty of room on the site.

I wonder was there some politics in that, whereby there had to be some pie for the two main teaching hospitals in Dublin? St Vincent's just seems like such an obvious choice for tri-location

Technocentral

These sound like even more irritating twats than the previous three.

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Technocentral wrote: »

These sound like even more irritating twats than the previous three.

Wow, breaking news. Someone on Boards is once again offended by an element of the show.


There was a story in the news yesterday that Pat is pursuing legal advice in identifying the source of publications of ads suggesting he was advertising erectile dysfunction medication and also a story that he had been arrested in the Newstalk building.

When I read that, I thought of some of the posters here who seem to have their own "hard-on" for giving out about him.

dominatinMC

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Wow, breaking news. Someone on Boards is once again offended by an element of the show.


There was a story in the news yesterday that Pat is pursuing legal advice in identifying the source of publications of ads suggesting he was advertising erectile dysfunction medication and also a story that he had been arrested in the Newstalk building.

When I read that, I thought of some of the posters here who seem to have their own "hard-on" for giving out about him.

Just as unsurprising as the original criticism is your rebuttal of the point and defence of the show. It is the same on other Newstalk threads. Someone criticises and you defend. I don't know what is more annoying, the constant criticism of various shows, or your staunch of defence of same.

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dominatinMC wrote: »

Just as unsurprising as the original criticism is your rebuttal of the point and defence of the show. It is the same on other Newstalk threads. Someone criticises and you defend. I don't know what is more annoying, the constant criticism of various shows, or your staunch of defence of same.

I'm in no way surprised that defence of the show or presenters using reality and evidence is frustrating for some. And confusing I suspect.

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dominatinMC wrote: »

Just as unsurprising as the original criticism is your rebuttal of the point and defence of the show. It is the same on other Newstalk threads. Someone criticises and you defend. I don't know what is more annoying, the constant criticism of various shows, or your staunch of defence of same.

Read the charter. Posters are perfectly entitled to express criticism or support for any broadcast here. What is not allowed is personally lambasting them for doing either. Please cut that out.

Technocentral

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Technocentral wrote: »

These sound like even more irritating twats than the previous three.

Wow, breaking news. Someone on Boards is once again offended by an element of the show.


There was a story in the news yesterday that Pat is pursuing legal advice in identifying the source of publications of ads suggesting he was advertising erectile dysfunction medication and also a story that he had been arrested in the Newstalk building.

When I read that, I thought of some of the posters here who seem to have their own "hard-on" for giving out about him.

I said previously on here that the book club was bourgeois nonsense, just saying it sounds like its getting worse. I love PK show just not this segmant, fair critism surely.

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Technocentral wrote: »

I said previously on here that the book club was bourgeois nonsense, just saying it sounds like its getting worse. I love PK show just not this segmant, fair critism surely.

Of course criticism is fine (and when it leads to discussion, I actually like it), but I think there is quite a distance between analysis of a topic and viewing it as bourgeois nonsense or calling two successive groups of club members as irritating twats.

The books they review are generally on the best seller lists in Ireland or get there after some time if they are brand new releases.
Quite a large section of the population still are pretty active readers. It's a relevant topic.

I've disagreed with their views on more than one book but I wouldn't dismiss the slot just on that basis.

I always thought 'bourgeois reading lists' referred to obscure novelists from the French Panthéon, or reading Kierkegaard in Starbucks (so gauche).

Wouldn't have thought it applied to the Eason best-seller list, much of which is probably dismissed out-of-hand by our most tedious literary snobs.

I suspect the PK Book Club gets a lot of people reading material which, in fact, is very accessible. There's nothing snobbish about it.

humberklog

I couldn't listen the book club previously because I disliked the panel and their voices. I listened to the first 5 minutes to the new contributors today and switched channel for the same reason.

Not for me.

Roger_007

humberklog wrote: »

I couldn't listen the book club previously because I disliked the panel and their voices. I listened to the first 5 minutes to the new contributors today and switched channel for the same reason.

Not for me.

I think that PK and his book club friends don't know what a book club is really all about. A typical book club is a bunch of women of a certain age range who get together in each other's houses on a regular basis to drink wine and eat 'finger' food, exchange news and gossip and generally have a pleasant little get-together.
Occasionally they may read a book and discuss it for about two minutes before they all go home, but this is not an essential part of the process!
In any event there is nothing more boring than listening to someone giving a blow-by-blow account of some book they've read.
I suppose Pat has to fill his 3 hours with something.