The Pat Kenny Show

serfboard

BarryD wrote: »

it was interesting to hear Paul Murphy squirm when Pat pointedly asked him did he use the services of UPC for his internet and communications etc. Apparently he does and with the same GMC Sierra also apparently installing for UPC. Double standards exposed?

Not really. If you are concerned about inequality and think that billionaires don't pay their fair share, you are not able, in this day and age, to eat/sleep on a bed/walk around with clothes on (and in time, drink a glass of water) without availing of the products or services provided by a company owned/controlled by some billionaire somewhere.

And that, I think, is actually these guys' point!

BarryD

serfboard wrote: »

Not really. If you are concerned about inequality and think that billionaires don't pay their fair share, you are not able, in this day and age, to eat/sleep on a bed/walk around with clothes on (and in time, drink a glass of water) without availing of the products or services provided by a company owned/controlled by some billionaire somewhere.

And that, I think, is actually these guys' point!

Well you'd surely have to admit that it is a bit of a double standard to happily use internet services probably installed by GMC Sierra whilst objecting to water meters being installed by the same company! We're not talking chalk and cheese - they're both utility services.

Doubtless though, Paul would defend the idea on the basis that you may as well use the tools of the oppressor against them in your battle and in furtherance of the revolution

An he may have a point.

BarryD

serfboard wrote: »

I'm not disagreeing with you. From what people have said on here it sounds like he got rightly done by Pat. As someone else said, you can't imagine Joe Higgins being taken apart so easily.

Yes, Joe is the old dog for the road. He's good at his job - he would just have side stepped the questions or ignored them. That's usually what happens with media interviews of seasoned politicians.

Varadkar is a bit different - you'd listen out for him as he seems at any rate to at least try and deal with questions openly. If he doesn't know the answer, he usually just says so. Time will tell though if this holds up.

serfboard

BarryD wrote: »

Well you'd surely have to admit that it is a bit of a double standard to happily use internet services probably installed by GMC Sierra whilst objecting to water meters being installed by the same company!

At a guess, I'd say Paul Murphy didn't know that. I didn't, and I'd consider myself fairly well informed.

I bet the first phone call he made after the interview was to cancel his UPC subscription ...

Callan57

serfboard wrote: »

Not really. If you are concerned about inequality and think that billionaires don't pay their fair share, you are not able, in this day and age, to eat/sleep on a bed/walk around with clothes on (and in time, drink a glass of water) without availing of the products or services provided by a company owned/controlled by some billionaire somewhere.

And that, I think, is actually these guys' point!

Then surely you'd want them to pay for the water they use to maintain their billionaire lifestyles????
This is the part of Paul Murphy's argument I am unable to reconcile & he was unable to expain to Pat during the discussion, in fact, he came across as not having thought it through logically at all.

mickydoomsux

I also find the demonization of Dennis O'Brian to be hilarious.

A successful businessman has numerous financial interests in numerous different industries? What kind of monster is he?

They should have gotten Paddy down the road who's a building contractor with 5 lads on the books to install 1million + water meters.

Calhoun

mickydoomsux wrote: »

I also find the demonization of Dennis O'Brian to be hilarious.

A successful businessman has numerous financial interests in numerous different industries? What kind of monster is he?

They should have gotten Paddy down the road who's a building contractor with 5 lads on the books to install 1million + water meters.

His questionable past with FG has put them into a spot of bother. He is a stick to continually beat them with because of the past.

Callan57

mickydoomsux wrote: »

I also find the demonization of Dennis O'Brian to be hilarious.

A successful businessman has numerous financial interests in numerous different industries? What kind of monster is he?

They should have gotten Paddy down the road who's a building contractor with 5 lads on the books to install 1million + water meters.

I'm no fan of DO'B but I presume if a company of his got the contract said company has a tax clearance cert & met the criteria for a public contract. Nothing I have heard or read suggest there is anything wrong with this company getting the contract - you have to assume it is nothing but the usual propensity we have to begrudgery.

Calhoun

Callan57 wrote: »

I'm no fan of DO'B but I presume if a company of his got the contract said company has a tax clearance cert & met the criteria for a public contract. Nothing I have heard or read suggest there is anything wrong with this company getting the contract - you have to assume it is nothing but the usual propensity we have to begrudgery.

I don't believe there was anything out of the ordinary his company did for this but as i said above its the past reputation of DOB and FG that is coming back to haunt them.

You see in the papers today they are thinking about a spring economic review thing because they are coming across as looking after the rich. This connection to DOB is one of the sticks the opposition is using to beat this home.

foxtrot101

mickydoomsux wrote: »

I also find the demonization of Dennis O'Brian to be hilarious.

The Moriarty tribunal findings weren't all that funny tbh.

michael999999

mickydoomsux wrote: »

I also find the demonization of Dennis O'Brian to be hilarious.

A successful businessman has numerous financial interests in numerous different industries? What kind of monster is he?

They should have gotten Paddy down the road who's a building contractor with 5 lads on the books to install 1million + water meters.

Read the Moriarty tribunal for Christmas sake!

Harry Angstrom

Callan57 wrote: »

I'm no fan of DO'B but I presume if a company of his got the contract said company has a tax clearance cert & met the criteria for a public contract. Nothing I have heard or read suggest there is anything wrong with this company getting the contract - you have to assume it is nothing but the usual propensity we have to begrudgery.

It wasn't that straightforward....

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/questions-raised-about-awarding-of-water-meter-contract-1.2033498

Callan57

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

It wasn't that straightforward....

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/questions-raised-about-awarding-of-water-meter-contract-1.2033498

"Questions raised" is hardly a conviction - why not await the answers but I guess that wouldn't suit the agenda :rolleyes:

Harry Angstrom

Callan57 wrote: »

"Questions raised" is hardly a conviction - why not await the answers but I guess that wouldn't suit the agenda :rolleyes:

The facts speak for themselves.

Callan57

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

The facts speak for themselves.

And the "facts" are ???????????????????

Radio Freak

Callan57 wrote: »

And the "facts" are ???????????????????

Stop giving out about DOB, I don't particularly like the guy but you must be from the opposition

Harry Angstrom

Callan57 wrote: »

And the "facts" are ???????????????????

Fact 1: Denis O'Brien's company, Millington, acquired Siteserv at a significantly reduced cost from IBRC which resulted in a loss to the State of around €100 million, despite there being higher bids.

Fact 2: GMC/Sierra, a subsidiary of Siteserv, had not come into existence until July 15th, 2013, two weeks after the closing date for water contract applications, but had been awarded a contract.


Them's the facts.

ThisRegard

Doesn't this lady have Joes phone number?

brooke 2

Callan57 wrote: »

Perhaps - I was referring to the context of the discussion, to me it just sounded like Paul Murphy was desperately flaying around for anything to divert attention from the fact that he wasn't not making a great job of defending (or even explaining) his stance.

What I heard was Pat Kenny hitting the roof when Paul Murphy mentioned
Denis O'Brien. He went ballistic!! Paul seemed to have been taken aback at
this robust reaction from Pat. It was hilarious, really.

two wheels good

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

Fact 1: Denis O'Brien's company, Millington, acquired Siteserv at a significantly reduced cost from IBRC which resulted in a loss to the State of around €100 million, despite there being higher bids.

Fact 2: GMC/Sierra, a subsidiary of Siteserv, had not come into existence until July 15th, 2013, two weeks after the closing date for water contract applications, but had been awarded a contract.

Them's the facts.

Has this topic finally made it onto the airwaves? And I missed it!
I'll have to find on "listen again"

(Please note the detail in bold above)

EDIT: To publicise the €300m hat-trick of deals

"The purchase of three major Irish businesses over the past two years by the billionaire businessman Denis O’Brien involved total bank write-offs of more than €300 million.

The deals saw the businessman invest €230 million to acquire the Siteserv Group, the Topaz Group and the Beacon Private Hospital.

The Siteserv deal saw the State-owned Irish Bank Resolution Corporation, which is now in liquidation, write off €110 million of the €150 million it was owed. Mr O’Brien’s move to become the major shareholder in the Topaz Group earlier this year involved the IBRC writing off slightly more than half of the €304 million it was owed."

michael999999

More Fianna fail propaganda from pats mate. Ask micheal why developers were lodging money into he's wife's account!

touts

No no no no no no no no no no

I'll never be able to un-hear that.

(Pat explaining his spooning preference)

Roger_007

I just heard Patricia Casey on Pats show. I can't believe that she still sticking to her support for the 8th amendment in spite of yet another case where doctors are inhibited from doing the right thing because of the constitutional position.

artful_codger

Labour ars@hole really looking out for the squeezed workers there. Does he really think Sky and UPC will give out subscriber details so they can be chased for their RTE salary license? lol...

L1011

artful_codger wrote: »

Labour ars@hole really looking out for the squeezed workers there. Does he really think Sky and UPC will give out subscriber details so they can be chased for their RTE salary license? lol...

Fairly easy to legislate so they have to - Sky and Liberty Global (UPC here, Virgin there) are used to this in the UK already.

Radio_Fan_67

artful_codger wrote: »

Labour ars@hole really looking out for the squeezed workers there. Does he really think Sky and UPC will give out subscriber details so they can be chased for their RTE salary license? lol...

If they have sky or upc they can afford a tv licence.

The Bould Rabbit

Why does having an American accent allow people to get away with spouting complete and utter crap on radio?

CountyHurler

I cant stand those Ted talks.. Load of self indulgent, sanctimonious waffle

artful_codger

Radio_Fan_67 wrote: »

If they have sky or upc they can afford a tv licence.

160 quid, just like that. Sure most people have that in loose change down the back of the sofa.

Clown.

Loafing Oaf

CountyHurler wrote: »

I cant stand those Ted talks.. Load of self indulgent, sanctimonious waffle

Indeed...

Meathlass

artful_codger wrote: »

160 quid, just like that. Sure most people have that in loose change down the back of the sofa.

Clown.

Cheapest SKY package is €29 a month, so yes if someone can pay €348 for a tv package then paying €160 for a licence should be their first priority.

ButtersSuki

Pat must be squirming in his artistic boots having to interview Rory Cowan from Mrs. Browinz Boyiz.

CountyHurler

Property Salesman? :pac:

serfboard

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Pat must be squirming in his artistic boots having to interview Rory Cowan from Mrs. Browinz Boyiz.

Pat's done as light as that before - on The Late Late Show - and undoubtedly will be doing it again on his new UTV show.

Heard it meself and it wasn't a bad interview. Thankfully Rory didn't go on with his nonsense about Israel.

Harry Angstrom

serfboard wrote: »

Pat's done as light as that before - on The Late Late Show - and undoubtedly will be doing it again on his new UTV show.

Heard it meself and it wasn't a bad interview. Thankfully Rory didn't go on with his nonsense about Israel.

He's a one-trick pony though. The only entertaining thing about yesterday's show was Oliver Callan.

mickydoomsux

Meathlass wrote: »

Cheapest SKY package is €29 a month, so yes if someone can pay €348 for a tv package then paying €160 for a licence should be their first priority.

But that's not something they waaaaaannnnttttt

/stamps feet like a petulant 5 year old

sligojoek

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

He's a one-trick pony though. The only entertaining thing about yesterday's show was Oliver Callan.

I didn't hear it but let me guess.

He worked for EMI. If it wasn't for B O C he'd never have been able to pay for his house and he has loads of money that he never had before.

CountyHurler

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

He's a one-trick pony though. The only entertaining thing about yesterday's show was Oliver Callan.

Callan was brilliant yesterday... Some of his voices are incredible... His Marty Morrissey is amazing.. he had a few funny swipes at Pat as well, and was started to have a go at Rachel Allen before Pat interjected and said "No, we certainly wont be discussing 'the thing' "

Aidric

Pat Kenny is a great broadcaster and I have huge respect for him. Now that he is 66 I thought that he would have been turning his thoughts to winding down a great career and spending more time with his family.

Instead he is busier than ever. Perhaps the rumours that he got badly burnt on his property speculation are true. I wonder if he had the same accountant as Gay Byrne.

michael999999

Aidric wrote: »

Pat Kenny is a great broadcaster and I have huge respect for him. Now that he is 66 I thought that he would have been turning his thoughts to winding down a great career and spending more time with his family.

Instead he is busier than ever. Perhaps the rumours that he got badly burnt on his property speculation are true. I wonder if he had the same accountant as Gay Byrne.

I heard he may have had an investment in property with Sean dunne!

Loafing Oaf

Aidric wrote: »

Pat Kenny is a great broadcaster and I have huge respect for him. Now that he is 66 I thought that he would have been turning his thoughts to winding down a great career and spending more time with his family.

Instead he is busier than ever.

Maybe he dreads the thought of retirement. He doesn't seem to have much else in his life part from career and family, and I'd say his daughters would have reached adulthood by now, so he'd probably be struggling to fill his days without a regular media gig...

foxtrot101

Aidric wrote: »

Pat Kenny is a great broadcaster and I have huge respect for him. Now that he is 66 I thought that he would have been turning his thoughts to winding down a great career and spending more time with his family.

Instead he is busier than ever. Perhaps the rumours that he got badly burnt on his property speculation are true. I wonder if he had the same accountant as Gay Byrne.

He's on record as saving that he can't afford to retire. He lost a lot investing in Bank of Ireland and AIB shares. He may be 66 but his kids are still quite young.

Frankie Lee

Hardly any big secret. http://namawinelake.wordpress.com/2012/11/20/pat-kennys-property-dealings/

Aidric

Frankie Lee wrote: »

Hardly any big secret. http://namawinelake.wordpress.com/2012/11/20/pat-kennys-property-dealings/

Fair enough. Interesting that article also mentions Gay Byrne and Pat having a relationship with Derek Quinlan, so my previous suspicions were true.

I always considered Kenny to be a man with his finger on the pulse and able to view the big picture but he has shown bad judgement in this instance.

brooke 2

Aidric wrote: »

Fair enough. Interesting that article also mentions Gay Byrne and Pat having a relationship with Derek Quinlan, so my previous suspicions were true.

I always considered Kenny to be a man with his finger on the pulse and able to view the big picture but he has shown bad judgement in this instance.

Pat definitely 'partied' during the Celtic Tiger! The mind boggles at the shameless
acquisitiveness of those well paid (at our expense) characters in RTÉ. Pat was not
just 'unlucky' because the banks' shares tanked, he eagerly participated in the
vulgar and manic purchasing of property led by 'fearless' risk takers such as
Bernard McNamara and Seán Dunne. The €2m suite in the Ritz Carlton? Bizarre
decision to mere mortals like the 'ordinary man' on the street who had to cough up
€160 per year to help pay the exorbitant salaries of RTÉ 'celebrities' such as Pat
Kenny and Gay Byrne.

Callan57

Aren't we an awful shower of old gossips

Harry Angstrom

Aidric wrote: »

Fair enough. Interesting that article also mentions Gay Byrne and Pat having a relationship with Derek Quinlan, so my previous suspicions were true.

I always considered Kenny to be a man with his finger on the pulse and able to view the big picture but he has shown bad judgement in this instance.

I'd call it pure greed on his part. Not being content with his already-bloated salary, he reckoned he could make shedloads off the back of it - not like the rest of us plebs who have to make do with minsicule interest rates on our small deposit accounts. Hard to have any sympathy for the man.

michael999999

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

I'd call it pure greed on his part. Not being content with his already-bloated salary, he reckoned he could make shedloads off the back of it - not like the rest of us plebs who have to make do with minsicule interest rates on our small deposit accounts. Hard to have any sympathy for the man.

My main problem is he was hosting what in my opinion is one of the primetime radio slots on National radio at the time.

He should have been calling out Fianna fail on there flagrant abuse of the taxation and welfare system to buy votes. Or the banks handing out mortgages to people they knew couldn't pay.

But instead of doing this, he was up to he's eyeballs in property dealings himself, so couldn't really call them up on it. Mainly because it was suiting he's investments, for lots of easy credit, to fund the property market he was so immersed in!

michael999999

Pat Kenny loses all broadcasting integrity if he doesn't cover the Gemma o Doherty case today!

Will he break the Denis o Brien blackout of the story?

Meathlass

God this is some rubbish on PK now.

I, like thousands of people, are at work today and would like to hear decent radio, not hyperactive kids screaming at huskies.