Diet feeders

nashmach

Surely the OP could do 2 loads.

Also if he wants the MF 165 to drive it that will govern size too?

lefthooker

nashmach wrote: »

Surely the OP could do 2 loads.

Also if he wants the MF 165 to drive it that will govern size too?

I have the 165 set up for shoving in silage only, starting her every day keeps the battery charged in her.

I'll be driving it with a Landini 9880 or JD 6900. I want to be able to feed with as few mixes as possible

bob charles

nashmach wrote: »

Surely the OP could do 2 loads.

Also if he wants the MF 165 to drive it that will govern size too?

you will mix one big load allot faster than two half loads.

delaval

lefthooker wrote: »

Ok lads,

I've been playing with the feeder for the last 2 days and I can see a place for it here. Only thing I can't determine is how big a feeder do I need, ie what capacity do I need to feed 100 cows for 1 day? Can any of ye tell me an idea of how much I need?

Thanks.

Minimum 14cum. If using dry bales bigger may be required

lefthooker

delaval wrote: »

Minimum 14cum. If using dry bales bigger may be required

I was talking with my neighbour, he bought a 12cubic abbey after trying 4-5 makes. He feeds 40 cows for 2 days easily. That wouldn't be too far off my goal.

whelan1

td5man wrote: »

Anyone know how much it would cost to reline a 10m keenan??

theres a guy near edgeworthstown called david campbell that does them, pm me if you want his number, oh transports feeders over and back to him, he does a great job

bob charles

td5man wrote: »

Anyone know how much it would cost to reline a 10m keenan??

Would think 2200 wouldnt be too far out

nashmach

lefthooker wrote: »

I have the 165 set up for shoving in silage only, starting her every day keeps the battery charged in her.

I'll be driving it with a Landini 9880 or JD 6900. I want to be able to feed with as few mixes as possible

Oh okay.

Given the 9880, has about 90 PTO hp and is the less powerfull of the two there it will have no issues with a 14 or even a 16 cubic metre feeder.

There is a 14 HiSpec paddle mixer with chopper on the back and being driven by a 75hp old Lamborghini.

bob charles

I done a season with a 165 driving a 14 cube, used to pull the handle throttle about 90% of the way down and load up. No cobwebs in that engine and nowadays is nearly a pioneer on diesel

lefthooker

So I've been playing with the feeder over the weekend and am pretty sure I'm going to invest. Still tossing over whether the 12 cubic is big enough or go up to 14.

Now, "Question of the day" time. Side or rear discharge??? For my purposes rear might be a good option. Is there much difference in the rate of discharge between the two? Is it hard to judge how much your putting out since the view is obstructed and you rely on the weight cell to tell you?

Sorry for all the questions but I like to toss up every scenario.

Sharpshooter82

lefthooker wrote: »

I have the 165 set up for shoving in silage only, starting her every day keeps the battery charged in her.

I'll be driving it with a Landini 9880 or JD 6900. I want to be able to feed with as few mixes as possible

If i didnt know iany better id think you were down in our main yard with the landini

lefthooker

Sharpshooter82 wrote: »

If i didnt know iany better id think you were down in our main yard with the landini

Huh?????

Sharpshooter82

we use a landini on the feeder and load with a MF168

nashmach

lefthooker wrote: »

So I've been playing with the feeder over the weekend and am pretty sure I'm going to invest. Still tossing over whether the 12 cubic is big enough or go up to 14.

Now, "Question of the day" time. Side or rear discharge??? For my purposes rear might be a good option. Is there much difference in the rate of discharge between the two? Is it hard to judge how much your putting out since the view is obstructed and you rely on the weight cell to tell you?

Sorry for all the questions but I like to toss up every scenario.

Wouldn't side be easier to manage as you can see it from the cab?

The rear may allow you feed both sides by switching I think.

lefthooker

nashmach wrote: »

Wouldn't side be easier to manage as you can see it from the cab?

The rear may allow you feed both sides by switching I think.

Its easy to see how much is going out from the side. I'm wondering if with what my setup is would rear allow me to put out the amount I'm intending. Trying to get a feel for how the guys with rear discharge find them.

lefthooker

Sharpshooter82 wrote: »

we use a landini on the feeder and load with a MF168

What type feeder are you using?

bob charles

lefthooker wrote: »

Its easy to see how much is going out from the side. I'm wondering if with what my setup is would rear allow me to put out the amount I'm intending. Trying to get a feel for how the guys with rear discharge find them.

get side doors as conveyor is just another thing to go tits up when your hungover on a Sunday evening

lefthooker

bob charles wrote: »

get side doors as conveyor is just another thing to go tits up when your hungover on a Sunday evening

No conveyor bob, there's two doors at the back corners, kinda at 10 and 2

Sharpshooter82

lefthooker wrote: »

What type feeder are you using?

Not sure what's it's called. It's an Italian type, father in law imported two kept the small one and sold the other to mike o learys farm (Ryanair). Sold a few diet feeders this year I think.
His own Italian one is an Animal of a feeder, I'll take some photos for ya tomorrow when I'm in the yard

sheebadog

Sharpshooter82 wrote: »

Not sure what's it's called. It's an Italian type, father in law imported two kept the small one and sold the other to mike o learys farm (Ryanair). Sold a few diet feeders this year I think.
His own Italian one is an Animal of a feeder, I'll take some photos for ya tomorrow when I'm in the yard

Would it be a Scaroboldi ? Got one here. Chops rounds and big squares of hay straw etc. for fun. Takes a bit of driving tho.

Milked out

on the size front, if you're not sure between the two go for the bigger one once you can drive it

Sharpshooter82

sheebadog wrote: »

Would it be a Scaroboldi ? Got one here. Chops rounds and big squares of hay straw etc. for fun. Takes a bit of driving tho.

might be, its blue and silverish. Very well made and you def know your towing it around the yard. This thing chews up everything thrown into it

Sharpshooter82

heres the feeder

Sharpshooter82

Luclar feeder that the father in law sells, i believe this one is to be cleaned up a bit and sold. Well built feeder aswell

grazeaway

lefthooker wrote: »

So I've been playing with the feeder over the weekend and am pretty sure I'm going to invest. Still tossing over whether the 12 cubic is big enough or go up to 14.

Now, "Question of the day" time. Side or rear discharge??? For my purposes rear might be a good option. Is there much difference in the rate of discharge between the two? Is it hard to judge how much your putting out since the view is obstructed and you rely on the weight cell to tell you?

Sorry for all the questions but I like to toss up every scenario.

i think the reear discharge feeders as for narrow passageways. most diet feeders are quite wide and when you add in teh area to drop the feed it makes teh workign area wider again. had looked at gettign one a few years ago but feed passage is too narrow. rear discharge units allow you to run the wheels alon teh feed face and the feed it dropped behind to prevent it getting trampled

Birtles

looking to change a 1250 Strautmann currently. looking at a Conor due the price difference . Had look at a CV12000 from Conor Engineering. They look very similar and mechanic is saying they are practically identical and they do look very similar bar the Conor is measuring up 1 ft narrower so couldn't hold the same.

Does anybody currently run a Conor and how do they find em?

bob charles

Birtles wrote: »

looking to change a 1250 Strautmann currently. looking at a Conor due the price difference . Had look at a CV12000 from Conor Engineering. They look very similar and mechanic is saying they are practically identical and they do look very similar bar the Conor is measuring up 1 ft narrower so couldn't hold the same.

Does anybody currently run a Conor and how do they find em?

They caught my eye aswell, how long has the strautmann lasted as I like the look of them aswell. I gave the Conor a good look over outside there factory a few months ago. Plenty of steel. Priced the big tandem conor and its coming in at a very right price. How many tons of grub are you able to mix with the strautmann 1250, and what sort of power are you driving it with?

delaval

bob charles wrote: »

They caught my eye aswell, how long has the strautmann lasted as I like the look of them aswell. I gave the Conor a good look over outside there factory a few months ago. Plenty of steel. Priced the big tandem conor and its coming in at a very right price. How many tons of grub are you able to mix with the strautmann 1250, and what sort of power are you driving it with?

How big are talking?

bob charles

delaval wrote: »

How big are talking?

20 cub, you sound like a man interested, remember you are only one cheque away from falling off the wagon again

delaval

bob charles wrote: »

20 cub, you sound like a man interested, remember you are only one cheque away from falling off the wagon again

Had a 20 cu twin tub serious machine. Tarrup was the make. Would feed 120 cows in a full. Chop 10 tonne of beet in 10-12 mins. Saw the Conor looked good.

bob charles

delaval wrote: »

Had a 20 cu twin tub serious machine. Tarrup was the make. Would feed 120 cows in a full. Chop 10 tonne of beet in 10-12 mins. Saw the Conor looked good.

how good are they at chopping beet delaval? I would be thinking of getting a independent chopper anyway as to chop the tonnage of beet I have wares a machine too much and takes too long. Thinking about a second hand cleaner loader and a hopper/chopper.


What sort of ponies did you have running that feeder. You have a very questionable past :D

Did you ever do caustic wheat with a tub?

jersey101

delaval wrote: »

Had a 20 cu twin tub serious machine. Tarrup was the make. Would feed 120 cows in a full. Chop 10 tonne of beet in 10-12 mins. Saw the Conor looked good.

and me here with a little 60 cow keenan that i think is the most useless yoke i ever seen. Be better if i had one of them bale shears would only take an hour
to feed everything

delaval

bob charles wrote: »

how good are they at chopping beet delaval? I would be thinking of getting a independent chopper anyway as to chop the tonnage of beet I have wares a machine too much and takes too long. Thinking about a second hand cleaner loader and a hopper/chopper.


What sort of ponies did you have running that feeder. You have a very questionable past :D

Did you ever do caustic wheat with a tub?

Agreed go for static hopper feeder it will chop as quick as you load it. Do you have a cleaner loader?

Massey 5455 for a while and was on her knees with bales and restarting but the feeder had a gear split. We ended with a 5465 no bother

We never treated any grain whatever. All beet.

On my past I've tried it all and I think I've come full circle, back to basics

Is your beet Armer or squeeze wheel pulled?

td5man

Off topic but whats beet making this year?

delaval

td5man wrote: »

Off topic but whats beet making this year?

Should be able to deliver to you at €80 a tonne. How much do you need?

yellow50HX

jersey101 wrote: »

and me here with a little 60 cow keenan that i think is the most useless yoke i ever seen. Be better if i had one of them bale shears would only take an hour
to feed everything

A shear grab can do the same job. With a bit of practice you whip off the plastic and netting too. Half tempted to get a second hand one.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GsFTAHzipPk

Timmaay

jersey101 wrote: »

and me here with a little 60 cow keenan that i think is the most useless yoke i ever seen. Be better if i had one of them bale shears would only take an hour
to feed everything

What else do ya feed through it? Them JEx ladies surely don't need a complicated winter diet? My HOs would be much more in need of some TMR ha. But anyways, have 2 different yards and 4 groups usually, most animals fed either pit silage or maybe bales, I'd be annoyed if I spend more than an hour in total feeding. I use to cut the plastic off bales while I had them in the sheargrab, throw the bale on the feeding passage or round feeder, and then pull off the rest of the plastic, and netting. I'd have to be constantly feeding say 5/10bales a day before I'd bother with a proper bale shears, I couldn't see it paying back for itself in saved labour for any less.

delaval

Timmaay wrote: »

What else do ya feed through it? Them JEx ladies surely don't need a complicated winter diet? My HOs would be much more in need of some TMR ha. But anyways, have 2 different yards and 4 groups usually, most animals fed either pit silage or maybe bales, I'd be annoyed if I spend more than an hour in total feeding. I use to cut the plastic off bales while I had them in the sheargrab, throw the bale on the feeding passage or round feeder, and then pull off the rest of the plastic, and netting. I'd have to be constantly feeding say 5/10bales a day before I'd bother with a proper bale shears, I couldn't see it paying back for itself in saved labour for any less.

No cows need a complicated diet, it's the farmers and diet feeder manufacturers taht think they do

mf240

delaval wrote: »

No cows need a complicated diet, it's the farmers and diet feeder manufacturers taht think they do

+ 1.

Timmaay

yellow50HX wrote: »

A shear grab can do the same job. With a bit of practice you whip off the plastic and netting too. Half tempted to get a second hand one.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GsFTAHzipPk

You'd want very consistent bales to be able to do that, otherwise you'd end up with a ball of a mess infront of you, with plastic and netting buried under silage, and nothing more annoying than trying to fish it out, and having your hands stinking of silage for days after it ha! Hmmm now that I think about it, almost happy that now as a result of the drought we only have afew silage bales to mess with this winter ha!

jersey101

Timmaay wrote: »

What else do ya feed through it? Them JEx ladies surely don't need a complicated winter diet? My HOs would be much more in need of some TMR ha. But anyways, have 2 different yards and 4 groups usually, most animals fed either pit silage or maybe bales, I'd be annoyed if I spend more than an hour in total feeding. I use to cut the plastic off bales while I had them in the sheargrab, throw the bale on the feeding passage or round feeder, and then pull off the rest of the plastic, and netting. I'd have to be constantly feeding say 5/10bales a day before I'd bother with a proper bale shears, I couldn't see it paying back for itself in saved labour for any less.

well most of the year we mjx up our own ration with it so its handy like that. We fed silage straw and brewers last year for milkers. Drys just got straw and silage and maiden heifers got nuts silage snd straw

td5man

delaval wrote: »

Should be able to deliver to you at €80 a tonne. How much do you need?

€80 a load

bob charles

delaval wrote: »

Agreed go for static hopper feeder it will chop as quick as you load it. Do you have a cleaner loader?

Massey 5455 for a while and was on her knees with bales and restarting but the feeder had a gear split. We ended with a 5465 no bother

We never treated any grain whatever. All beet.

On my past I've tried it all and I think I've come full circle, back to basics

Is your beet Armer or squeeze wheel pulled?

Only get a lend of a cleaner loader but it 50miles away so must buy something myself as washing beet is much fun. was going to put together a washer chopper hence climbing all over simple simons creation last week:rolleyes:, but will probably just dry clean and chop.

Beet is pulled with armer if it has leaves which hasnt being often over the last few winters.

td5man I can do beet a bit keener than the other lads if you want it, €75 ish :rolleyes:

delaval wrote: »

No cows need a complicated diet, it's the farmers and diet feeder manufacturers taht think they do

Sure dont but you need to be getting the energy source thats most value for money into them. 20c a head a day cheaper energy saving and your talking big money if put over allot of animals

nashmach

Have a look at the WAM static beet chopper Bob, was very impressed with one that I saw recently.

bob charles

nashmach wrote: »

Have a look at the WAM static beet chopper Bob, was very impressed with one that I saw recently.

that the one at the ploughing, saw that one and talked to boy selling it. lets say he was well interest in selling it as I found out when I asked him was his price plus vat :rolleyes:

have you seen that one running?

nashmach

bob charles wrote: »

that the one at the ploughing, saw that one and talked to boy selling it. lets say he was well interest in selling it as I found out when I asked him was his price plus vat :rolleyes:

have you seen that one running?

Afraid not but did some roots it had chopped and was a nice consistent job compared to an old linkage mounted chopper.

Doesn't take much power either, I'm sure the 165 would handle it no bother