Mayo v Donegal Sunday 4th Aug @ 4pm

CastingCouch

afro man wrote: »

yeah those sneaky / nasty Donegal players tried their best and forced him to put in a high tackle iate in the game to get himself sent off

Yeah.

CastingCouch

CastingCouch wrote: »

???

They don't HAVE to play GAA.

Also they get plenty back off it too! The gains are greater than the deductions.

I never said they did but they deserve to be given due respect for doing so. They dont get paid for what they do and they spend alot of time away from families on top of having to fit it in around their professional lives. The gains are mostly intrinsic. These lads train like pro's. Some clubs and counties will never win the top honours and yet lads still turn out to give their all.

CastingCouch

Deleted User wrote: »

I never said they did but they deserve to be given due respect for doing so. They dont get paid for what they do and they spend alot of time away from families on top of having to fit it in around their professional lives. The gains are mostly intrinsic. These lads train like pro's. Some clubs and counties will never win the top honours and yet lads still turn out to give their all.

Yeah respect, but shouldn't be given pity and not take the bad with the good of being in the public eye.

CastingCouch

CastingCouch wrote: »

Yeah respect, but shouldn't be given pity and not take the bad with the good of being in the public eye.

No by right they shouldnt get abuse if there was normal people in society no matter what happens on the field. Its up to the good people to pour scorn on these muppets who think they are entitled to say and do what they like.

CastingCouch

Deleted User wrote: »

No by right they shouldnt get abuse if there was normal people in society no matter what happens on the field. Its up to the good people to pour scorn on these muppets who think they are entitled to say and do what they like.

Why aren't people allowed to tell them what they think of them?

Astala

CastingCouch wrote: »

Why aren't people allowed to tell them what they think of them?

Because they're amateurs, giving their time and utmost dedication to represent their county. They deserve respect, not passive-aggressive comments from people who like to think they know GAA.

Astala

Astala wrote: »

Because they're amateurs, giving their time and utmost dedication to represent their county. They deserve respect, not passive-aggressive comments from people who like to think they know GAA.

Spot on. Tools taking the moral high ground on how to behave and yet here they are themselves harassing people over the internet. Tools i might add, who have probably never kicked or pucked a ball in anger

CastingCouch

CastingCouch wrote: »

Why aren't people allowed to tell them what they think of them?

Well unfortunately there is nothing to stop them but you'd want some brass neck in all honesty to ironically be critical of players the way they conduct themselves in a given situation and yet here they are themselves harassing them like some stalker/bully.

Thats the problem with society today. You have these pretentious clowns with their twitter or facebook accounts thinking that its a token to say whatever poison springs to their warped minds to people. A pathetic attempt at crying out for attention while the harsh harsh truth is that they are irrelevant wasters and that no one gives a flying f*ck about them.

bob skunkhouse

DazMarz wrote: »

I sincerely hope that the All Ireland Final is Dublin v. Mayo. Going on form and how both teams play good, attacking football: it would promise to be a cracker.

Even a Kerry v. Mayo final would be a good spectacle.

Obviously, I'm hoping that one of the 4 remaining gets their clock cleaned in spectacular fashion by Mayo (not naming names now...).

As a Dub fan, I obviously want to see Dublin winning the All Ireland. But if Dublin can't win it, I'd sincerely hope that either of Mayo or Kerry do. If Tyrone win it, it will vindicate and validate their tactics and their cynical nature. Dublin, Mayo and Kerry all play good, decent football.

If Dublin have to get beaten by anyone, at least if they get beaten by Kerry or Mayo it will have been through playing football, not by playing a hybrid of GAA and Rugby League.

Fair play to Mayo too, (to get back on topic). They played a master class of fluid, attacking football and it could only be admired. This really could be their year. I don't think anyone in the country would begrudge them their first All Ireland in 60-odd years. And seeing as the grandfather was from Mayo (via New York), I guess it wouldn't be the end of the world if they won it and Dublin didn't! :P

I watched the Kerry game live and to say they play decent football is nonsense! During yesterdays game i took a picture from high in the Cusack stand of one Kerry man in the opposition half, and thanfully Ciaran Whealan pointed this out in the sunday game last night, the only difference in his montage is that Kerry had ALL 15 behind the ball.

corny

Deleted User wrote: »

Well unfortunately there is nothing to stop them but you'd want some brass neck in all honesty to ironically be critical of players the way they conduct themselves in a given situation and yet here they are themselves harassing them like some stalker/bully.

Thats the problem with society today. You have these pretentious clowns with their twitter or facebook accounts thinking that its a token to say whatever poison springs to their warped minds to people. A pathetic attempt at crying out for attention while the harsh harsh truth is that they are irrelevant wasters and that no one gives a flying f*ck about them.

Such emotive language for such a trivial matter.

Eamonn Magee receives some ****e talk and responds in kind. Big deal.

corny

corny wrote: »

Such emotive language for such a trivial matter.

Eamonn Magee receives some ****e talk and responds in kind. Big deal.

Just took exception to the fact that people suggest he should have to put up with it is all. He shouldnt have to.

K4t

Was working yesterday, is there anywhere online I can watch the whole match? Doesn't seem to be on the tv3 website..Thanks.

yop

Found this funny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqoltLJbyrQ

keith16

yop wrote: »

Found this funny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqoltLJbyrQ

My god. What an absolute joke. He reckons Donegal should have played a qualifier game in Croker?

He also says, Mayo beat nobody worth talking about to get the the quarter finals while Donegal beat a "good qualifier" in Laois?

murrayp4

K4t wrote: »

Was working yesterday, is there anywhere online I can watch the whole match? Doesn't seem to be on the tv3 website..Thanks.

+1

overshoot

CastingCouch wrote: »

Or how about Donegals tactics were found out by superior tacticians????? And calling Monaghan limited? They could and should have beaten Tyrone who are seen as one of the countries best teams?

Donegal, had they got to another final could be seen as a great team. Now, at the minute (next year to come) they are a once off.

McGuiness might be getting the sack from Celtic after it. ;-)

CastingCouch wrote: »

Why would they be exhausted?????? They weren't exhausted v Tyrone. Tyrone didn't know how to play them.

you really dont like donegal do you?

any team that wins an AI is a great team end of, were you giving dublin the same treatment last year? they have yet to reach another AI final.

donegal were not that good against tyrone, it was a good performance but not at the level of any of the 2012 ones.

you can have all the tactics in the world, you need the players to implement them if you are going to win anything. tactics might buy you a surprise one off win but it will not march you to an AI semi, all ireland title and 2 ulster titles.

whether it was physical injuries or mental the donegal panel couldnt have replicated their 2012 "system" if they tried. too many players not at 100% and we dont have players of the same calibre on the bench to replace them. so for that reason i dont believe they were "found out", they played to their ability (much reduced by fitness & sharpness) this year which was average and no amount of tactics will hide that. Add to that everyone wants a go at the AI champs, especially the team you bet in the final & its going to be a rough ride.

CastingCouch wrote: »

I think Mayo will make a final. The hunger is there. They're the last team yet to win it of the big guns.

CastingCouch wrote: »

Stop making excuses like so many others, "looked tired/not as hungry". Donegals tactics were no use this year.

is that not double standards? hunger is a powerful motivation

Kristopherus

yop wrote: »

Found this funny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqoltLJbyrQ

Wonder what the bould Logie is thinking now:D.

yop

Kristopherus wrote: »

Wonder what the bould Logie is thinking now:D.

Reading him on twitter there now, getting a lot of abuse!

keith16

overshoot wrote: »

you really dont like donegal do you?

any team that wins an AI is a great team end of, were you giving dublin the same treatment last year? they have yet to reach another AI final.

Dublin weren't eviscerated in the same in anywhere near the same manner as Donegal were yesterday.

They lost a semi-final by 3 points. They scored 16 points themselves which is a decent return in any game.

It was mentioned earlier but I just don't buy this, "we did't have the hunger / we weren't the same team stuff".

Donegal were humiliated and as a fan I would be asking some serious questions about why exhaustion is a factor at the beginning of August.

homerjay2005

keith16 wrote: »

Donegal were humiliated and as a fan I would be asking some serious questions about why exhaustion is a factor at the beginning of August.

lets not forget they were relegated from division 1, were poor against Down and only scored 7 points against Monaghan.

yesterday was coming. Donegal went from nobodys to All ireland champions in 18 months, thats not normal. hunger played a huge part in it.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

homerjay2005 wrote: »

lets not forget they were relegated from division 1, were poor against Down and only scored 7 points against Monaghan.

yesterday was coming. Donegal went from nobodys to All ireland champions in 18 months, thats not normal. hunger played a huge part in it.

One of the biggest misconceptions of the past few years. The McGees, Murphy, Lacey, McGlynn, Cassidy & McFadden were all highly rated before the arrival of McGuiness, not to mention a few others. They won the league in 2007 sure, hardly came from no where.

davegrohl48

Karl Lacey had a hip operation His legs looked like he'd barely done much weights n at one stage Carolan went past him at a rate of knots to win a ball back on the ground.
McGee had knee surgery, was second to every ball
Thats the pace gone out o two o their big players
They had a 3 game series with third game against a team full o fast players in most positions
To have speed you need to be injury free and rested With no bench Donegal were doomed

keith16

THFC wrote: »

One of the biggest misconceptions of the past few years. The McGees, Murphy, Lacey, McGlynn, Cassidy & McFadden were all highly rated before the arrival of McGuiness, not to mention a few others. They won the league in 2007 sure, hardly came from no where.

It certainly appears that they are going from champs to nobodies. That's not normal either.

Which is why I would give some credence to the fact they have been found out. A long long way back for Donegal from here.

ColeTrain

Smartly Dressed wrote: »

I don't understand why, as a Mayo fan, you would want to make the victory into more than it was.

It was a complete performance that exposed every weakness of a physically and mentally exhuasted team struggling with injuries and fatigue.

Surely that's how a realistic and sensible Mayo fan would want to measure it? It's clear that a lot of fans were bent on revenge, but Mayo did not beat the Donegal of last year and for their own sake, should acknowledge that fact.

Mayo were missing Davie Clarke plus had many question marks over the fitness of key players. No need to paint out that we haven't been affected by injury

Also donegal were tested more than us. Mayo played London in the connacht final. very hard to learn lessons playing them. Adding Donegal to the teams that haven't tested us is impressive

Smartly Dressed

ColeTrain wrote: »

Mayo were missing Davie Clarke plus had many question marks over the fitness of key players. No need to paint out that we haven't been affected by injury

Also donegal were tested more than us. Mayo played London in the connacht final. very hard to learn lessons playing them. Adding Donegal to the teams that haven't tested us is impressive

The victory was extremely impressive and I can tell you it was excruciating to watch. However, that Donegal side was not the same team from last season.

I've said before that I expect Mayo to win the all-ireland this year, but they will have to repeat that performance against much better sides.

I don't want to detract from Mayo's performance; it was near enough a comprehensive masterclass - all I'm saying is that they should be looking forward to much bigger challenges because Donegal did not really have anything to offer.

Stoner

the game was played when Donegal were muck and Mayo were fantastic.

I doubt we'll see Donegal that bad again, or Mayo that good.

McGuinness gave a lesson to everyone in mind games last year, but was thought one this year. I see hes back in the papers, saying that he never said Donegal were afraid of physicality, I never heard him say it either or anyone claim that he did, he said his words were twisted.
I don't think they were, he was trying to protect his players and or get an advantage with the referee, however it just served to make his players look weak and needing protection he kind of brought that to the table himself. He'd also be stuck against the likes of Mayo, when he plays Kerry, Dublin, Tyrone, Cork, they have all the neutral support. But against Mayo it was 31 vs 1.

Roger_007

keith16 wrote: »

It certainly appears that they are going from champs to nobodies. That's not normal either.

Which is why I would give some credence to the fact they have been found out. A long long way back for Donegal from here.

Donegal's problem is that they rely on a system which involves making sure that the other team are limited to very few scores. They then rely on their own quick counter-attacks to get their own scores. Unfortunately the system breaks down when the other team gets a substantial lead early on as Mayo did. There is no point in playing deep defence when the other team is 10 points ahead. There was no plan B.
In that sense, yes, Donegal were found out, or rather their system has been found out.

homerjay2005

THFC wrote: »

One of the biggest misconceptions of the past few years. The McGees, Murphy, Lacey, McGlynn, Cassidy & McFadden were all highly rated before the arrival of McGuiness, not to mention a few others. They won the league in 2007 sure, hardly came from no where.

beaten in qualifier second round in 08, beaten by 14 points in 09, knocked out in first round of qualifiers in 2010. that was the form of absolute abysmal proportions so my point stands.

ColeTrain

Smartly Dressed wrote: »

The victory was extremely impressive and I can tell you it was excruciating to watch. However, that Donegal side was not the same team from last season.

I've said before that I expect Mayo to win the all-ireland this year, but they will have to repeat that performance against much better sides.

I don't want to detract from Mayo's performance; it was near enough a comprehensive masterclass - all I'm saying is that they should be looking forward to much bigger challenges because Donegal did not really have anything to offer.

I think the lads just put in a huge game yesterday, it shows what they're capable of.

Of course we will struggle to replicate it when we face Tyrone. If we had beaten Tyrone yesterday with Donegal waiting for us in the semis then I'd fully agree but to put away the champions in that style was something you don't see too often. Yesterday was a show of intent, hopefully we can keep it going.

corny

Roger_007 wrote: »

Donegal's problem is that they rely on a system which involves making sure that the other team are limited to very few scores. They then rely on their own quick counter-attacks to get their own scores. Unfortunately the system breaks down when the other team gets a substantial lead early on as Mayo did. There is no point in playing deep defence when the other team is 10 points ahead. There was no plan B.
In that sense, yes, Donegal were found out, or rather their system has been found out.

So the solution to cracking Donegal is just score lots of points, preferably early on? Pity no one figured that out last year.

Donegal won last year just like Dublin the year previous not because of an ingenious plan but because they were the hungriest side who worked the hardest. They had their system on Sunday but the work rate was missing. If/when they get the appetite back i assure you they'll become a tough nut to crack again.

People really give too much credit to tactics and systems and not enough credit to good honest hard graft imo.

keith16

corny wrote: »

People really give too much credit to tactics and systems and not enough credit to good honest hard graft imo.

And I would argue the opposite. Hard work and a desire to succeed are traits of a huge number of teams and players. But there are a lot of average teams and players out there.

Padkir

keith16 wrote: »

And I would argue the opposite. Hard work and a desire to succeed are traits of a huge number of teams and players. But there are a lot of average teams and players out there.

But the difference is the quality of the players.

You can't just have it as a shoot out between hard graft and tactical systems. You'll win nothing without all three.

aveytare

corny wrote: »

So the solution to cracking Donegal is just score lots of points, preferably early on? Pity no one figured that out last year.

Donegal won last year just like Dublin the year previous not because of an ingenious plan but because they were the hungriest side who worked the hardest. They had their system on Sunday but the work rate was missing. If/when they get the appetite back i assure you they'll become a tough nut to crack again.

People really give too much credit to tactics and systems and not enough credit to good honest hard graft imo.

Yeah the obvious reason teams weren't getting early leads was because of how good Donegal were last year.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

homerjay2005 wrote: »

beaten in qualifier second round in 08, beaten by 14 points in 09, knocked out in first round of qualifiers in 2010. that was the form of absolute abysmal proportions so my point stands.

It most certainly doesn't. They always had the talent, it's not like McGuiness turned the like of New York or London into title winning teams, he simply turned around their fortunes. He still did a marvellous job, no one can deny that, but to call Donegal "nobodys" before he arrived is just plain ignorance.

corny

keith16 wrote: »

And I would argue the opposite. Hard work and a desire to succeed are traits of a huge number of teams and players. But there are a lot of average teams and players out there.

The difference between Donegal beating Mayo last year and losing by 16 points this year was not in a tactical system or a new method. One team enjoyed their success and the other worked harder to improve. Tactically nothing changed.

For the rest? As Padkir said their are other limitations to consider.

davegrohl48

Both teams had a pretty wide divergence in fitness and form in the last 12 months Last year AOS was not fully fit This year he was Thats just one player but he was probably responsible for three points worth of the margin

CastingCouch

keith16 wrote: »

Dublin weren't eviscerated in the same in anywhere near the same manner as Donegal were yesterday.

They lost a semi-final by 3 points. They scored 16 points themselves which is a decent return in any game.

It was mentioned earlier but I just don't buy this, "we did't have the hunger / we weren't the same team stuff".

Donegal were humiliated and as a fan I would be asking some serious questions about why exhaustion is a factor at the beginning of August.

Or how they got relegated in the league.

CastingCouch

corny wrote: »

So the solution to cracking Donegal is just score lots of points, preferably early on? Pity no one figured that out last year.

Donegal won last year just like Dublin the year previous not because of an ingenious plan but because they were the hungriest side who worked the hardest. They had their system on Sunday but the work rate was missing. If/when they get the appetite back i assure you they'll become a tough nut to crack again.

People really give too much credit to tactics and systems and not enough credit to good honest hard graft imo.

When you're Champions everyone wants to beat you. More analysis is done than before. Donegal were found out. Murphy and McFadden did not get ball.

Western Pomise

Don't want to annoy Donegal fans but its a serious indictment of the limitations of Donegal Panel that London gave Mayo a harder game this year,fair play to Donegal for Success last yr but for a co with a big population they had no quality new lads on the bench this year.

DoctaDee

corny wrote: »

So the solution to cracking Donegal is just score lots of points, preferably early on? Pity no one figured that out last year.

Donegal won last year just like Dublin the year previous not because of an ingenious plan but because they were the hungriest side who worked the hardest. They had their system on Sunday but the work rate was missing. If/when they get the appetite back i assure you they'll become a tough nut to crack again.

People really give too much credit to tactics and systems and not enough credit to good honest hard graft imo.

Yep agree 100% with ya here. I dunno whether it's an indictment of the game now - but pure football seems to be a thing of the past. Workrate and hunger would seem to underpin all the recent winners probably going back to 2007, when Kerry were probably the last team to win with a team of great players, supplemented with the return of Tadgh Kennelly.

The Donegal "system" was introduced by McGuinness not primarily to win an AI but to prevent the sorry beatings they'd been taking in the previous years, coupled with the loss to Antrim. I don't think Jim Mc could honestly believe that they'd win an AI in their 2nd year - but in fairness their application and workrate was astounding last year and they rightfully took the spoils. A timewarp of sorts opened up last Sunday, when those same players without the previous hunger and work ethic were laid bare by a very good Mayo team - it was a throwback to all that Jim Mc has strived to eradicate from Donegals chequered history. For what it's worth, personally speaking Lacey & Murphy are the only great footballers on that team

MaroonAndGreen

DoctaDee wrote: »

Yep agree 100% with ya here. I dunno whether it's an indictment of the game now - but pure football seems to be a thing of the past. Workrate and hunger would seem to underpin all the recent winners probably going back to 2007, when Kerry were probably the last team to win with a team of great players, supplemented with the return of Tadgh Kennelly.

The Donegal "system" was introduced by McGuinness not primarily to win an AI but to prevent the sorry beatings they'd been taking in the previous years, coupled with the loss to Antrim. I don't think Jim Mc could honestly believe that they'd win an AI in their 2nd year - but in fairness their application and workrate was astounding last year and they rightfully took the spoils. A timewarp of sorts opened up last Sunday, when those same players without the previous hunger and work ethic were laid bare by a very good Mayo team - it was a throwback to all that Jim Mc has strived to eradicate from Donegals chequered history. For what it's worth, personally speaking Lacey & Murphy are the only great footballers on that team

Im from Mayo but in fairness you have to admit McFadden, McBrearty, McHugh, Gallagher are 4 very good footballers too

corny

DoctaDee wrote: »

Yep agree 100% with ya here. I dunno whether it's an indictment of the game now - but pure football seems to be a thing of the past. Workrate and hunger would seem to underpin all the recent winners probably going back to 2007, when Kerry were probably the last team to win with a team of great players, supplemented with the return of Tadgh Kennelly.

Tbh i don't even think its a recent phenomenon. Tyrone in 2005 were a brilliant team. This was their starting 15 in the final:

P McConnell; R McMenamin, J McMahon, M McGee; D Harte, C Gormley, P Jordan; E McGinley, S Cavanagh; B Dooher, B McGuigan, R Mellon; P Canavan, S O’Neill, O Mulligan.

They beat a brilliant team in the final too. The following year they came out and lost in the first round to Derry, scoring 0-5 in the process. Drew with Louth in the first round of qualifiers and lost to Laois in the second.

What happened to Donegal this year has serious precedence, especially for the less traditional winners of the AI (everyone bar Kerry really;)). Knowing this i can't believe people would write them off or suggest teams have 'found them out'. As if their demise was down to some sort of tactical issue. Nonsense.

If Mayo win the AI this year they simply won't be able to maintain that level of performance next year. I guarantee it.

Cosmo Kramer

Donegal's blow out was extreme this year though. Other beaten champions have usually put in a decent shift - Mayo had it tight enough against Cork and Dublin the last two years whereas Donegal just collapsed. The scale of their fall, lack of depth in the panel, talk of players retiring and maybe even McGuinness leaving makes me think they'll drop down the pecking order in the next few years.

Luckily for them, when they got the momentum going last year they had very good fortune with injuries when other teams didn't which got them over the line, so history will judge them kindly as a result, similar to the 92 team.

MaroonAndGreen

This Donegal team had two very good years where they really challenged (and won it the 2nd year) but they'l always be the ones remembered for upping the ante in terms of physicality, defensive play and the pace and intensity the game is played with

eddie73

This donegal team are in a bit of a situation now. It would be extremely difficult to try to go out and motivate them to play the football they did last year, the comittment is just too great, re training etc. Having said that, what team at the top does not have to do this? there is no real difference between the training between the very top teams. Mayo and Dublin have it in them to totally dominate for the next several years. Their performances this year have been astonishing. I think it is less to do with how weak the field is, (there are some really decent teams out there that put in the same level of training), and more to do with sheer footballing ability and physical power. Go for goals and take your points when the goal is no longer on is what I was getting this weekend.

This is where it is at guys and it is daunting for any team in the lower flights to have to go out for months and months training with the prospepct of getting a serious trimming in croke park in the summer.

Moneymaker

I'll remember this Donegal team alright.

I'll remember them for being responsible for one of the most brutal 70 minutes of football I have ever seen, the semi final vs Dublin in 2011.

I honestly think 70 minutes of Chinese water torture would have been less painful then sitting through that game.

overshoot

Moneymaker wrote: »

I'll remember this Donegal team alright.

I'll remember them for being responsible for one of the most brutal 70 minutes of football I have ever seen, the semi final vs Dublin in 2011.

I honestly think 70 minutes of Chinese water torture would have been less painful then sitting through that game.

thats grand, at least we are remembered, nobody remembers losers

Slattsy

overshoot wrote: »

thats grand, at least we are remembered, nobody remembers losers

I think you'll find Donegal lost that game..

Moneymaker

overshoot wrote: »

thats grand, at least we are remembered, nobody remembers losers

Dublin won? And also won the All-Ireland that year.

overshoot

Slattsy wrote: »

I think you'll find Donegal lost that game..

that game... but its still the team that brought back the AI