Batman v Superman *spoilers from post 2434*

EoinMcLovin

Looks like

Joker killed Jason Todd

But isn't that sort of ... intentional? I mean, isn't Superman portrayed as a Jesus-like/Supreme being in across multiple platforms? I mean, I can get you being annoyed if it was just for the sake of, but this seems like it has a point, with Batman showing that this isn't the case.

The Black Oil

I do like that it's an older Bruce Wayne. Like Jeremy Irons. Not too pushed about the destruction, still not keen on the aesthetic. Lots of spinning plates.

DoYouEvenLift

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

And I thought the Jesus imagery in Man of Steel lacked subtlety...

Looks like Snyder has quadrupled down on everything I hated about the first film, as expected. Even that trailer was more self-important, weightless, CG-saturated nonsense than I'm comfortable with Hope people enjoy the finished project and fair play to Snyder for making what seems like the ultimate realisation of his directorial style, but as meaningless as it is I am well and truly out.

See you ITT when it releases so!

johnny_ultimate

Deleted User wrote: »

But isn't that sort of ... intentional?

Absolutely. Something can be totally intentional and still lack subtlety

But does that make it a bad thing?

Mitch Connor

Deleted User wrote: »

But does that make it a bad thing?

yes, when you feel like you are being bludgeoned with it, as it was in the first movie.

jaxxx

I did not like Eisenberg's portrayal of Luthor in that trailer. At all, in fact it almost made me sick. Lex Luthor is among the greatest intellects in the DC universe. He is ruthless. I know that films can add their own flair to things but honestly I thought it was a complete joke. If that was a sample of the Luthor we'll be seeing in the movie, then I think it'll be worse than Spacey's Luthor in Superman: Returns (which I absolutely loathed). But I remain hopeful.

Otherwise I was mighty impressed by the rest of the trailer. Nice teaser look of Gadot as Diana/WW. I had my concerns of Affleck playing Bruce/Batman when I first heard of it last year or so, but it certainly looks like he's giving it his all. Honestly looking forward to it.

johnny_ultimate

[Deleted User] wrote: »

But does that make it a bad thing?

Depends totally on the viewer. I feel Snyder's style is obnoxious, totally lacking in stylistic / narrative nuance and at times borderline condescending. I felt I was being bludgeoned with God-like imagery in the first one to the point of absurdity, and well fair to say that trailer has taken it further. IMO a bad thing, but I speak for myself!

SimonTemplar

I am much more interested in the proposed Affleck stand alone Batman movies than Batman v Superman, partly because Zack Snyder seems to be continuing his barrage of CGI.

Josey Wales

Still can't get my mind around Ben Affleck as Bruce Wayne or Batman.

Jon Stark

Speaking of a lack of subtlety, it looks like Leto's Joker is going to be full on.

Josey Wales

Josey Wales wrote: »

Still can't get my mind around Ben Affleck as Bruce Wayne or Batman.

I wonder whether his will be better than Bale's Wayne. TBH, I didn't actually think he was that great. But regardless, I hope he doesn't do anything near as annoying as that Batman voice. When you go back and watch that trilogy, it just sounds ludicrously bad.

expectationlost

so thats the end of the first film in the trailer

J. Marston

SouthTippBass wrote: »

WW is supposed to be a strong Amzonian warrior, the actress they picked doesnt have the body type for it. WW needs to have muscle definition, strong toned arms and legs, not perfect hair and lipstick. The actress looks like she going to be pouting and flicking her hair throughout her part.

Looks grand to me.

Lex on the other hand, not a fan of his look.

dublinman1990

Jon Stark wrote: »

Speaking of a lack of subtlety, it looks like Leto's Joker is going to be full on.

Have a hear of this now.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Search_Dextroy/status/619963709209886720/video/1

Josey Wales

Deleted User wrote: »

I wonder whether his will be better than Bale's Wayne. TBH, I didn't actually think he was that great. But regardless, I hope he doesn't do anything near as annoying as that Batman voice. When you go back and watch that trilogy, it just sounds ludicrously bad.

No, not at all. I think Bale was the best Bruce Wayne and also the best Batman.

I think Michael Keaton's Wayne comes closest.

Mitch Connor

J. Marston wrote: »

Lex on the other hand, not a fan of his look.

Convinced there was a show of him having shaved his head - I reckon the trailer has him in a wig, or it will be shaved off during the movie.

Josey Wales

Josey Wales wrote: »

No, not at all. I think Bale was the best Bruce Wayne and also the best Batman.

I think Michael Keaton's Wayne comes closest.

Interesting. I always felt that Keaton's was the best Wayne. With Kilmer's being the best Batman :pac:

ziggyman17

Can't wait for this..

Oafley Jones

Synder's gone full on Synder with that trailer's imagery. Whatever restraint he showed in MoS seems to be gone.

Corholio

I'll probably still go and watch it but nothing so far has made me have any sort of high hopes for it. None of the trailers make me actually care about any of the characters in the slightest. It's just basically Snyder putting all his favourite types of explosions and destruction in a trailer.

Slydice

J. Marston wrote: »

[Snip WW Clip]

Looks grand to me.

Woah there, let's not sell that scene short...

Fuzzytrooper

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Interesting. I always felt that Keaton's was the best Wayne. With Kilmer's being the best Batman :pac:

Is there anything to be said for Adam West's return?

thomas anderson.

Looks good to me, hopefully better than Ultron. Don't understand all the hate for Affleck, I think he'll be a superb batman.

DoYouEvenLift

Some of you'll be interested in this as well since it's one of the first looks at the joker

https://video.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xaf1/v/t42.1790-2/11654536_1620156428247156_398599575_n.mp4?efg=eyJybHIiOjMwMCwicmxhIjo2Mjd9&rl=300&vabr=162&oh=4d49f6dcb7624558872fdb6634d8cffb&oe=55A19E4C

e_e

Say what you want about Snyder but his work is on another level visually to what Marvel's directors are churning out.

Here's hoping this is more Watchmen than Sucker Punch though. As patchy as that film was at times it has moments that are as powerful as the superhero genre has ever gotten.

Mickeroo

Eisenberg's do reminds of me of Luther's hair in The Death and Return of Superman graphic novel, presume that's the look they're going for.He'll probably lose it at some stage too I'm sure, this is essentially his origin movie after all in this iteration.

Skerries

no Aquaman in that trailer either

Bacchus

Ok, that trailer was good. I particularly enjoyed the Bruce Wayne POV of the destruction in MOS. Despite, the OTT-ness of the Superman-Zod mass destruction fight, it is a good launch pad for the sequel. Batman looks great and this genuinely has me revved up to see him take on Superman. It's clear now anyway that

kryptonite plays a part in it

.

The only thing that isn't sitting right with me is WW's involvement. All the Batman vs Superman stuff looks awesome but she's out of place. She looks fairly badass but it could be a case of cramming too much into one movie.

Expectations++;

Mickeroo

Skerries wrote: »

no Aquaman in that trailer either

I reckon the likes of Aquaman and Flash will amount to little more than cameos or we'd have seen something of them by now.

Looper007

e_e wrote: »

Say what you want about Snyder but his work is on another level visually to what Marvel's directors are churning out.

Here's hoping this is more Watchmen than Sucker Punch though. As patchy as that film was at times it has moments that are as powerful as the superhero genre has ever gotten.

Snyder problem was never Visually but the writing, hopefully whoever is writing this script has churned out something to Rival The Dark Knight (still the best Comic book film for me). He did his best with Watchmen (although one or two cases of bad casting did harm the film) but its a impossible job to put that classic into a 3 hour film. As Terry Gillam said it would have been better if it was a TV series.

Bacchus

Bacchus wrote: »

Ok, that trailer was good. I particularly enjoyed the Bruce Wayne POV of the destruction in MOS. Despite, the OTT-ness of the Superman-Zod mass destruction fight, it is a good launch pad for the sequel. Batman looks great and this genuinely has me revved up to see him take on Superman. It's clear now anyway that

kryptonite plays a part in it

.

The only thing that isn't sitting right with me is WW's involvement. All the Batman vs Superman stuff looks awesome but she's out of place. She looks fairly badass but it could be a case of cramming too much into one movie.

Expectations++;

I worry that DC are going down the Marvel route and are trying to fit far too much in. It was one of the biggest problems with Avengers 2.

Looper007

Mickeroo wrote: »

Eisenberg's do reminds of me of Luther's hair in The Death and Return of Superman graphic novel, presume that's the look they're going for.He'll probably lose it at some stage too I'm sure, this is essentially his origin movie after all in this iteration.

Well I assume during this movie as he shaved his head for this film.

Sad Professor

Whoa, Snyder unleashed. I’ve no doubt Affleck’s Argo screenwriter managed make something interesting out of Goyer’s presumedly half-arsed first draft. But Snyder’s going to piss all over it with his Joel Schumacher-esque obsession with bulging muscle suits and slow motion sequences.

veganrun

The trailer didn't get me as hyped as the original MOS trailers but having said that, this looks pretty good and could be a much better film.

johnny_ultimate

e_e wrote: »

Say what you want about Snyder but his work is on another level visually to what Marvel's directors are churning out.

Snyder is unquestionably an auteur in an arena dominated by visual carelessness and interchangability. His style is instantly recognisable and fiercely individual, unmistakable when seen in action.

I may find his style aggressively shallow, self-aggrandising, repetitive, distractingingly over-stylised, constantly crossing the line into absurd self parody and ultimately ill-suited to anything longer than a music video - but, credit where credit is due, there's not many Hollywood directors I could say that about.

DoYouEvenLift

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Snyder is unquestionably an auteur in an arena dominated by visual carelessness and interchangability. His style is instantly recognisable and fiercely individual, unmistakable when seen in action.

I may find his style aggressively shallow, self-aggrandising, repetitive, distractingingly over-stylised, constantly crossing the line into absurd self parody and ultimately ill-suited to anything longer than a music video - but, credit where credit is due, there's not many Hollywood directors I could say that about.

Cheers for the review

IncognitoMan

Sad Professor wrote: »

Whoa, Snyder unleashed. I’ve no doubt Affleck’s Argo screenwriter managed make something interesting out of Goyer’s presumedly half-arsed first draft. But Snyder’s going to piss all over it with his Joel Schumacher-esque obsession with bulging muscle suits and slow motion sequences.

Ah now come on, you might not like Snyder but he's nowhere near that bad.

There's some serious hate in here for Snyder and I guess once you don't like his style it's a hard thing to get past.

Each to their own but that trailer is exactly what I wanted to see. Visually stunning and I like where the story seems to be going from what we've seen with superman being held accountable for the destruction of the city and that Bruce was there to witness it first hand which leads to his problems with superman.

Only part that still hasn't won me over is lex. I just don't see why they would go this route for the character. Feels like bad casting already

brianregan09

I'd say Lex is going to have a massive part in this and he will shine eventually

Mickeroo

I like Snyder's style and enjoyed all his films before Suckerpunch, visually he's perfect for the likes of Superman, it's the awful story telling that put me off Man of Steel though, it just wasn't a good movie for me. It's possible that was more down to Goyer than Snyder though, I don't think he's a good screenwriter, maybe Terrio will be the difference this time.

I still hold out hope that this will be enjoyable though, trailer has me thinking it could go either way, didn't grab me like the MoS trailer did but that doesn't mean it will be pooh.

AMKC

I still think this is silly but might go see it. Any chance they might make a Supergirl v Catwomen film next

faceman

This trailer re-affirms what many fear. There is too much being squashed in. Not having high hopes.

There's a lot of Wayne in the trailer. Wonder if they want to appease fans who are worried about Affleck. He looked fine for the part IMO.

Either way, with the amount of slow motion Snyder uses, if the whole movie was played at normal speed it will probably be only 26 minutes long anyway.

Jon Stark

I'm pretty sure Goyer didn't write the script, only a story outline. Terrio was brought in pretty sharpish after Affleck was announced so there should be little sign of Goyer in the finished product.

Sad Professor

Sad Professor wrote: »

Whoa, Snyder unleashed. I’ve no doubt Affleck’s Argo screenwriter managed make something interesting out of Goyer’s presumedly half-arsed first draft. But Snyder’s going to piss all over it with his Joel Schumacher-esque obsession with bulging muscle suits and slow motion sequences.

Woah woah woah woah woah woah. Let's not throw around things we'll regret in future :pac:

Nah, regardless of how much you dislike Snyder's work, the likes of Suckpunch doesn't come near the absolute lows of Schumacker's Batman.

jaxxx

Deleted User wrote: »

Woah woah woah woah woah woah. Let's not throw around things we'll regret in future :pac:

Nah, regardless of how much you dislike Snyder's work, the likes of Suckpunch doesn't come near the absolute lows of Schumacker's Batman.

They don't even deserve to be classed as movies..... I had nightmares over how atrocious they were.....

Jon Stark

I still find Batman and Robin to be the more watchable of the two. There's just something so hateable about watching Tommy Lee Jones ham it up to the max. Also I find Kilmer to be arguably the worst portrayal of the character, and that's saying something when Clooney was basically being Clooney.

pixelburp

Fair play for actually tying-in the horrible death and destruction that happened to Metropolis, and putting it at the feet of Superman; at least the script won't be ducking it and pretending everyone's now all 'hooray! Superman!'

That said, the trailer was still as pompous and achingly-worthy as I suspected it would be; I've bottomed out my expectations so I guess I can only be pleasantly surprised; in hindsight, to me Man of Steel was one of the worst Superhero films in the last decade or so.

Mr Freeze

I really don't know what to make of the trailer.

It doesn't look like Superman is holding back against Batman anyways, he definitely looks ready to kill him.

SouthTippBass

Mr Freeze wrote: »

I really don't know what to make of the trailer.

It doesn't look like Superman is holding back against Batman anyways, he definitely looks ready to kill him.

He's got a taste for it now after Zod.