Batman v Superman *spoilers from post 2434*

faceman

Watched The Dark Knight Returns (both parts) last night. Jesus. The bits and dialogue I did like in BvS were completely lifted from the Dark Knight Returns!

Nail in the coffin for any hope of a future decent DC movie from Snyder.

e_e

jungleman wrote: »

This is why reviews should be taken with a pinch of salt.

This only shows your fundamental misunderstanding of how people (not just critics) appraise films. Ratings are supposed to be relative and not "hmm this wannabe dark and intelligent 3 hour superhero blockbuster is sure better than Disaster Movie in fairness. 4 stars!"

On the other end you're hardly gonna watch The Dark Knight and think "but how does it stack up against Tokyo Story?" are you? People don't just view movies on these simplistic black and white terms. There is a tonne of context to be considered.

Listen to Ebert from 5 minutes on:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYvxIbBifKA

BlitzKrieg

jungleman wrote: »

This is why reviews should be taken with a pinch of salt.

why because BVS got a higher rating?


Oh are we looking at the big flashy % and not the actual info

average rating BVS: 5/10

average rating Mall cop: 4.6/10

number of reviewers should also be counted

there are 113 reviews of mall cop

269 for BVS

thats 156 reviewers that didnt review mall cop, 156 potentially (who are we kidding? of course damning!) reviews of Paul blart missing.

big films bring more reviewers which will affect the % in an unrealistic fashion

On top of that you'll have specialist reviewers (comic book sites etc) for BVS that you wouldnt get for paul blart.

People are always weird when it comes to reviewers, they're just people in the end, if you find you have similar tastes/experiences then you can rely on them to give reviews that you are likely to agree with.

If you dont have similar tastes you can still judge a film's quality if you know what their tastes are like and adjust your expectations.

For example Yahtzee just did a damning review of The Division, but I've seen a few of his videos I know he hates multiplayer games and military style shooters.

The division is a multiplayer co-op military shooter. So of course he was going to hate it.


Same logic here.

Any reason for a lynch mob with some people...

e_e

I love how people routinely accuse critics of elitism and bias (which is a good thing surely?) while dismissing their opinion out of hand because the tiny thumbnail of a tomato happens to be green.

dublinman1990

I saw this movie on Thursday and I thought reading some of the hate reviews before I had seen it were unnecessary & asking for too much trouble. IMHO this wasn't the worst batman movie I have ever seen but it certainly was not as bad as I expected.

Here is my initial reaction to the film so far.

I was not expecting a whole lot to come out of the theatrical release. But I did see a few nuggets of good stuff with scenes with the rest of the Justice League being sequenced out in front of WW while she was viewing them on her laptop when Bruce sent her the email with the Lexcorp. I also thought that Ezra Miller as the Flash wasn't instantly recognized when he was talking to Bruce in the Batcave while Bruce was going through his dream sequences.

I thought that Superman's story of becoming a hero was going through some very tough environments as he tried to make a positive role model for himself. This happens especially when he had to go to court in Capitol Hill because he was framed as the central perpetrator for an incident in Africa outside of his control. This story was not going to cut the mustard as we know that this incident was instead the fault of Luthor with his hired terrorist group.

The story of Superman being made a villain had took up a large part of this film. But I'm not saying that it was unnecessary. IMO it was suggesting to me that Superman was being wrongly blackmailed from the mass media into becoming something fearful for the masses to be afraid of which we all know that was done in secret by Luthor behind Superman's back all along & eventually backfired in front of Luthor later on in the film. This apparent level of fear for Superman among the masses had eventually hit Batman's mind that Superman was a dangerous villain which turned out to be very misinformed by various statements being confirmed from Alfred, Lois & Superman when Batman nearly kills Superman with the Kryptonite until Lois comes in & stops him. This lead to the conclusion that Batman's initial thoughts about Superman's way of life of being a killer was wrong which resulted in a new friendship with Batman who was then asked by Superman to rescue his mother Martha Kent from Luthors henchmen.

I'd say that the chain of events that surrounded Superman's story in the movie plot is undoubtedly one of trying to spread hope & resilience for his people. As we have seen in MOS he was already trying to spread a message of hope & resilience while he was out fighting with Zod who was plotting to destroy planet earth. But I would think that Superman was trying to solidify the message that was a powerful ally for Batman & WW & for the inhabitants of planet earth.

That is the main point about the film that I will enjoy. I will look forward to seeing how the re-emergence of Superman will pan out in JL1.

The other things about it. The cast overall was pretty good especially for Batman, WW & Superman. The cinematography was excellent. The sound quality with Dolby Atmos was unreal but with some of the other scenes in the dream sequences made me a jump a little bit because it was loud at times but overall I was very impressed with it. The fight scenes with Batman were done brilliantly. I thought the introduction of WW in the film turned out to be done extremely well.

Hopefully the Ultimate edition coming out on Blu-ray & DVD will give us a lot more additional scenes for us to enjoy more out of it.

I gave it a 4 star rating as I did enjoy the movie as the plot is good that is because it's use of colours was very nicely done.

q2xv9rjei4awgb

Penn wrote: »

Agreed. It was the way it was done that was the problem, not the intent behind it. The first thing Superman thinks to shout is "You're letting him kill Martha!" The second thing he shouts is then "Find him. Save Martha!"

With just the small change of "Lex has my mother!" and then "Find Lex. Save my mother!" You can do the exact same thing of Bruce thinking about his own parents murder and realising that Superman is more than just an alien, he's a person with a family he cares about.

It was just really poorly done by trying to shoehorn in the fact their mothers had the same name

Oh I'm not denying it was poorly done...Hence why I feel sorry for Affleck....I'm just astounded at the amount of people thinking it's because the mothers shared the same name...I figured people were smarter than that tbf

mickoneill31

bclar12 wrote: »

Oh I'm not denying it was poorly done...Hence why I feel sorry for Affleck....I'm just astounded at the amount of people thinking it's because the mothers shared the same name...I figured people were smarter than that tbf

Why wouldn't people think it's because the mothers shared the same name. It's shoehorned in and then we get a flash back in case we've forgotten that Bruce's mothers name is Martha.
If he'd said save my mother your argument would be fine.
I understand your point about Bruce and it could have been done like that. If Clarke said save my mother we could have had flashbacks to Bruce's childhood where his mother looked after him. It would have taken the same amount of time and work. We didn't. We got Marthaaaaaaa.

I think you're making an excuse for the movie. People are smarter than that but the movie isn't.

razorblunt

Saw this last night and I have to say I enjoyed it.
Of course there are problems with it, the pacing, trying to fit too much in, not utilising Irons enough, but there also some good points and some very good points, notably the fight scenes, Affleck was a bloody good Batman/Bruce Wayne and they handles Wonder Woman brilliantly.

The Aquaman introduction looked awful, I laughed out load when his hair got in his eyes.

Ben Gadot

I just saw concept art for an alternate Doomsday, I can't believe they didn't go with it instead of the uninspiring design that we ended up with.



http://screenrant.com/batman-v-superman-concept-art-doomsday/

micks_address

mickoneill31 wrote: »

Why wouldn't people think it's because the mothers shared the same name. It's shoehorned in and then we get a flash back in case we've forgotten that Bruce's mothers name is Martha.
If he'd said save my mother your argument would be fine.
I understand your point about Bruce and it could have been done like that. If Clarke said save my mother we could have had flashbacks to Bruce's childhood where his mother looked after him. It would have taken the same amount of time and work. We didn't. We got Marthaaaaaaa.

I think you're making an excuse for the movie. People are smarter than that but the movie isn't.

We'll I suppose Martha isn't supermans mother... I actually liked the idea and had never coped they both had the same first name.. That being said there's no way he would have started with he's going to kill Martha.
I'm hoping the extended cut fleshes this out somehow.

FutureGuy

I'll be honest, I almost did not go to see this due to the sheer amount of bile being spewed at it.

Then I read a small review, again, highlighting the negatives. They signed off saying it wasn't Avengers. Colour me interested as the last Avengers was a heartless pile of garbage. I would have walked from the cinema if I had been on my own.

I'm delighted I went. Yes it has issues but I thoroughly enjoyed it. I am far more interested in the character flaws of the person behind the costume. Both characters had amassed baggage which was affecting who they were and what they did.

Thought Afleck was superb as was Cavill (again) and many of the supporting cast were very good. I honestly didn't mind Lex that much. It was an odd version of him but not bad.

I don't understand this hatred over the Martha thing. They are people. They have emotion. It affects them in the heat of the moment. It makes them look at things in a different light.

Doomsday way awful and I feel the last 45 mins turned the money from BVS to a preview of the Justice League. I'd rather Batman and Superman settled their differences and simply took down Lex and an army.

Sad Professor

Edit: nevermind, an April Fools joke.

A Neurotic

Sad Professor wrote: »

Edit: nevermind, an April Fools joke.

You can't post that two days after April 1st

Thargor

FutureGuy wrote: »

I'll be honest, I almost did not go to see this due to the sheer amount of bile being spewed at it.

Then I read a small review, again, highlighting the negatives. They signed off saying it wasn't Avengers. Colour me interested as the last Avengers was a heartless pile of garbage. I would have walked from the cinema if I had been on my own.

I'm delighted I went. Yes it has issues but I thoroughly enjoyed it. I am far more interested in the character flaws of the person behind the costume. Both characters had amassed baggage which was affecting who they were and what they did.

Thought Afleck was superb as was Cavill (again) and many of the supporting cast were very good. I honestly didn't mind Lex that much. It was an odd version of him but not bad.

I don't understand this hatred over the Martha thing. They are people. They have emotion. It affects them in the heat of the moment. It makes them look at things in a different light.

Doomsday way awful and I feel the last 45 mins turned the money from BVS to a preview of the Justice League. I'd rather Batman and Superman settled their differences and simply took down Lex and an army.

Came in here to say all that, just saw it and was shocked at how good it was, its one of the better superhero films. WTF were the critics on about? Marvels generic repetitive cartoon mush gets a pass and this is supposedly a mess? I was more entertained than I was at Force Awakens tbh, loved most of it, especially Batman, even Wonder Woman was a plus when I was expecting her to be cringe.

Harry Palmr

Film has gone off a cliff at the box office, down nearly 70% week on week in the USA/Canada, it'll still make a profit as this stuff sells far and wide but not that much of one.

ps3lover

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Film has gone off a cliff at the box office, down nearly 70% week on week in the USA/Canada, it'll still make a profit as this stuff sells far and wide but not that much of one.

Yup, after last weekend everyone was saying that 1 billion would be easy, this weekend they are saying that it's looking like $900 million will be hard.
This may not even outgross Deadpool in America:D

SimonTemplar

I've read and listened to a lot of commentary about BvS since its release. One of the common remarks about the actual Batman/Superman fight itself is that it was pretty decent but just a little too short.

There are fundamental script problems when such a fight is too short in a 2.5 hour movie called Batman v Superman.

FutureGuy

SimonTemplar wrote: »

I've read and listened to a lot of commentary about BvS since its release. One of the common remarks about the actual Batman/Superman fight itself is that it was pretty decent but just a little too short.

There are fundamental script problems when such a fight is too short in a 2.5 hour movie called Batman v Superman.

I thought it was fantastic, both in terms of action and duration. I did not want to see a back and forth 30-minute "action packed" (where every set piece they could think off would be used). Again, like the film,

Maybe it was just me, but I was FAR more interested in the build up to the fight (and the reasons behind it) than the fight itself. It was gritty, it was brutal and it was compact.

"Batman vs Superman", as I had hoped for, dealt with the morals and ideals of one character not matching the other character and was not all about the physical altercation.

Honestly, I shed a tear during the movie and I also fist pumped like a child before realising what I had done.

FunLover18

FutureGuy wrote:

"Batman vs Superman", as I had hoped for, dealt with the morals and ideals of one character not matching the other character and was not all about the physical altercation.

Really? I would have liked this but all I remember is Clark confronting Bruce at Lex's party and Superman telling Batman to stop being Batman, which all seemed a bit hypocritical given the wanton destruction at end of MoS. I don't even know what Superman's morals and ideals are in this universe are, branding people is wrong but flying a man through 3 walls at super speed is ok?

When it came to the final showdown a difference of ideals wasn't mentioned, Batman wanted to kill Superman because he witnessed the destruction and felt he was too dangerous and powerful, meanwhile Superman wanted to save his mother.

SimonTemplar wrote:

I've read and listened to a lot of commentary about BvS since its release. One of the common remarks about the actual Batman/Superman fight itself is that it was pretty decent but just a little too short.

That's how I read it and so to answer the original question; I don't think it was too short, it was a decent fight but for me the motivations of the characters were were weak, verging on non existent.

Penn

FunLover18 wrote: »

That's how I read it and so to answer the original question; I don't think it was too short, it was a decent fight but for me the motivations of the characters were were weak, verging on non existent.

For me the only bad thing about the fight (apart from the end) was the lack of variation. Okay, Batman manages to hit Supes with a kryptonite grenade. Good stuff. About 2 minutes later, Superman can quite clearly see Batman loading another kryptonite grenade into the launcher, and yet he still charges at him, straight into it.

I would have liked to have seen more traps set by Batman, showing how he's analysed Superman's strengths and weaknesses. Trick him into using his laser vision in a room filled with odourless gas and blowing himself up or something. Do something different. Don't just hit him with Kryptonite gas twice in the same fight.

Duggy747

I was destined not to like this film:

• Went to the 2D screening, turned out to be 3D instead.
  
• 3D wasn't aligned for 2 minutes. Then when it was it wasn't fully right leaving a subtle shadow on everything so the 3D effect was muck............as well as the usual problems of it leaving a film too dark so scenes were just a blurry mess.
  
• Speaker beside us kept popping intermittently.
  
• Eejit with his kids down the front aisle every 20 minutes yawned as loud as he possibly could. "YYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGHHH!!!"
  
• Kids up the back weren't watching the film and kept talking as loud as they could.
  
• Another person was on their phone with their earphones on..........fúckin' earphones.
  
• Then there was the case of someone, what I presume, constantly shítting their pants because it smelt rotten. Seriously, that person needs to see a vet or something because that wasn't human.

I don't normally go during the day, this was an exception....................never again, though! :pac:

Anyways, the film itself! I didn't really like it and don't think it's a particularly good film despite it having sprinkles of one in there.

Affleck was great as Batman and I say this as someone who isn't really fond of him as an actor (really like his directing, though). He played the viciousness of Batman very well and Jeremy Irons was superbly dry as Alfred.

For me, everything Batman and Alfred were by far the best and most interesting moments of the film and give me good confidence for the solo Batman film. Watching those 2 bounce off each other would be entertaining to see.

Batman shooting and killing people didn't bother me, rules had changed and it was addressed how much more vicious he was getting. I much prefer that than a Batman emphasizing his No-Kill rule while constantly breaking it and it's not paid attention to, this Batman just didn't give a shít when it came to results.

The big fight itself was enjoyable, you always route for the underdog in Batman, Superman could wipe him out with his strength but Bats can outsmart him. I get why Batman decided not to kill him but it was done so sloppy and the complete 180 was insanely fast, felt far too artificial.

There was a lot of problems in this film with enormous plot-holes and some really awful dialogue, enough cheese that you'd probably die if you were lactose intolerant.

It's not the awful film by critic's standards but I just didn't find it to be a good film either. There were genuinely some good, even fantastic, moments in there but ultimately it was brought down by too many silly elements and the weight of trying to set up the Justice League.

Bring on the Batman film, though. I wanna see more of the angry, vicious Batman and tech-head Alfred

Varik

Penn wrote: »

For me the only bad thing about the fight (apart from the end) was the lack of variation. Okay, Batman manages to hit Supes with a kryptonite grenade. Good stuff. About 2 minutes later, Superman can quite clearly see Batman loading another kryptonite grenade into the launcher, and yet he still charges at him, straight into it.

I would have liked to have seen more traps set by Batman, showing how he's analysed Superman's strengths and weaknesses. Trick him into using his laser vision in a room filled with odourless gas and blowing himself up or something. Do something different. Don't just hit him with Kryptonite gas twice in the same fight.

Batman placed the spear so deliberately that I'd thought there was some large plan starting out side with the sonicwall and turrets that ended with the spear but no they both kinda just ended up there. He could have just started with the grenades and the spear, just grenade him when the sonicwall thing went off and then stabby stabby.

Penn

Varik wrote: »

Batman placed the spear so deliberately that I'd thought there was some large plan starting out side with the sonicwall and turrets that ended with the spear but no they both kinda just ended up there. He could have just started with the grenades and the spear, just grenade him when the sonicwall thing went off and then stabby stabby.

Aye, and that's ignoring the fact that they ended up in that building because Superman flew them there, not because Batman led them there. So maybe Batman had more traps to get Superman into that room and had to improvise to get them back there, but it made the fight a bit more bland as a result.

allibastor

The fight while cool did seem very poor.

I mean the fight in the Dark Knight returns was so much cooler, batman made full use of traps and help. It is true in this film it seemed very odd at how it was set.

Superman had used his speed but seemed to not be able to use it later, he shows his strength by tossing Batman through a building, but cant fight at other times.
Batmans traps while initially good looking didnt do much really, and as others have said his placement of his spear seemed at the end very much, "ah sure it will be grand here"

The fight with Doomsday dragged on so much cooler, considering the film was Batman V Superman.

Penn

allibastor wrote: »

The fight while cool did seem very poor.

I mean the fight in the Dark Knight returns was so much cooler, batman made full use of traps and help. It is true in this film it seemed very odd at how it was set.

Superman had used his speed but seemed to not be able to use it later, he shows his strength by tossing Batman through a building, but cant fight at other times.
Batmans traps while initially good looking didnt do much really, and as others have said his placement of his spear seemed at the end very much, "ah sure it will be grand here"

The fight with Doomsday dragged on so much cooler, considering the film was Batman V Superman.

It was the effects of the Kryptonite gas that caused Superman to have variances in his power. You can see him gradually get stronger the more it wears off.

It was a fantastic moment in the fight where Batman's punching him and as Superman's strength returns the punches have less and less effect on him, until he's back to being steel-jawed.

Of course though, Batman hits him with another kryptonite grenade about 30 seconds later which kinda spoils it, but still, it was a fantastic moment.

Bacchus

Penn wrote: »

It was a fantastic moment in the fight where Batman's punching him and as Superman's strength returns the punches have less and less effect on him, until he's back to being steel-jawed.

That was probably the highlight of the fight.

allibastor

Penn wrote: »

It was the effects of the Kryptonite gas that caused Superman to have variances in his power. You can see him gradually get stronger the more it wears off.

It was a fantastic moment in the fight where Batman's punching him and as Superman's strength returns the punches have less and less effect on him, until he's back to being steel-jawed.

Of course though, Batman hits him with another kryptonite grenade about 30 seconds later which kinda spoils it, but still, it was a fantastic moment.

Hey, no i meant even before he used the gas, such a using heat vision to destroy the sound wall and being able to throw Batman around and use super speed. I mean in reality if he could move that fast he should have at least been able to get Batman in a headlock or something in quick time.

It should have had much more focus on the trap setting and forethought of Batman.

FutureGuy

Bacchus wrote: »

That was probably the highlight of the fight.

I think that's when I fist-pumped, not because I was rooting for a particular character, but it was so fcuking awesome.

Osmosis Jones

Think my favourite moment of the movie was when Batman unceremoniously batters Superman over the head with a sink.

Pete Moss

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

Think my favourite moment of the movie was when Batman unceremoniously batters Superman over the head with a sink.

If it was Joel Schumacher's version of Batman, he definitely would've quipped "Let that sink in!"

Snyder really missed a trick there.

Bacchus

I had a listen there to the soundtrack, mostly for a bit of Zimmer. It's an erratic soundtrack, much preferred the MoS one. The WW "Is She With You?" track is class though. I did enjoy the titling of the track "Tuesday". Took me a second to click what that was

Varik

Penn wrote: »

It was the effects of the Kryptonite gas that caused Superman to have variances in his power. You can see him gradually get stronger the more it wears off.

It was a fantastic moment in the fight where Batman's punching him and as Superman's strength returns the punches have less and less effect on him, until he's back to being steel-jawed.

Of course though, Batman hits him with another kryptonite grenade about 30 seconds later which kinda spoils it, but still, it was a fantastic moment.

It was the way it was having less effect, it wasn't like the CGI bullet to the eye (I think that was return) it was "real in a surreal way"

There was so much good about this film, a few reshoots and better editing and it'd be great. Thankfully it's such a big franchise they'll continue improve. rather than calling it quits if this was something new.

IncognitoMan

Bacchus wrote: »

I had a listen there to the soundtrack, mostly for a bit of Zimmer. It's an erratic soundtrack, much preferred the MoS one. The WW "Is She With You?" track is class though. I did enjoy the titling of the track "Tuesday". Took me a second to click what that was

The opening track 'beautiful lie' is quite good as well

mickoneill31

Varik wrote: »

There was so much good about this film, a few reshoots and better editing and it'd be great. Thankfully it's such a big franchise they'll continue improve. rather than calling it quits if this was something new.

That's the feeling I had after watching MOS. There was a great film in there but the editing was all over the shop. Then for Batman Vs Superman I left thinking there was 30 mins of greatness in there buried amongst 2 hours of average and mediocre.

Thargor

I thought Batmans resistance cell in the wasteland in the future was absolutely brilliant, powerful imagery.

Wedwood

Incidentally, BvS has now made about the same money as Man of Steel with a similar budget. It might beat MoS by a couple of hundred million by the end of its cinema run if it can get a half decent third weekend.

Billy86

Wedwood wrote: »

Incidentally, BvS has now made about the same money as Man of Steel with a similar budget. It might beat MoS by a couple of hundred million by the end of its cinema run if it can get a half decent third weekend.

This is true, but if I recall Man of Steel (while making a good profit) was seen as a box office disappointment that did not meet estimates.

Tony EH

'Man of Steel' made over 600 mil in dollars alone, on a budget of around 220 mil.

That's a hit in anyones books in reality.

Billy86

Tony EH wrote: »

'Man of Steel' made over 600 mil in dollars alone, on a budget of around 220 mil.

That's a hit in anyones books in reality.

It's a good profit, but it was short of what was expected. Just like BvS, it opened very strong but after negative reviews it experienced a huge from of 65-68%.

It amazes me how they seem intent on persisting with Zack Snyder, MOS should have been all the evidence they needed that he isn't the guy for this. Justice League are all doomed to the same fate unless they dump him asap. They've got such a rich world to work with, and characters that are novel or lesser known, or just have not been touched in longer than Marvels (which I see as a positive - makes them appear fresher to casual audiences if done right), and they've got someone with a track record of very poor, same-same movies that have no respect for the established world running it.

Tony EH

Billy86 wrote: »

It's a good profit, but it was short of what was expected. Just like BvS, it opened very strong but after negative reviews it experienced a huge from of 65-68%.

It amazes me how they seem intent on persisting with Zack Snyder, MOS should have been all the evidence they needed that he isn't the guy for this. Justice League are all doomed to the same fate unless they dump him asap. They've got such a rich world to work with, and characters that are novel or lesser known, or just have not been touched in longer than Marvels (which I see as a positive - makes them appear fresher to casual audiences if done right), and they've got someone with a track record of very poor, same-same movies that have no respect for the established world running it.

I've yet to hear a convincing argument as to why Snyder's Superman was bad.

I'm not a fan of his at all. I haven't been since his silly remake of 'Dawn of the Dead' 12 years ago. But, I liked his mature take on the character. I apprciated Kal El's brooding over being a lone alien amonst a people who don't trust him and having to combat his own kind in their defence.

That's all great IMHO.

People not liking it because they wanted some sort of cartoon, I can't really get on board with. I liked the fact that it didn't go down the Chuckle bros route like the Marvel films, which have become interchangable nothings at this point, bar the "odd" Marvel heroes like 'Ant-Man' or 'Deadpool', which have tried something a bit different.

I still haven't seen 'Batman Vs Superman' though. Don't know if I will. But something tells me it isn't half as bad as some people are saying.

As for Snyder, it's doubtful whether he'll get another go. Affleck is already on board for a Batman sequel, which he'll direct and I'll admit that sounds interesting. More interesting than a 'Justice League' film, that's for sure, which contains some of the crappest Superheroes ever.

Wonder Woman and Aquaman, I'm looking at you!

SteM

Saw it last night. It's not as bad as people are making out but it is pretty bad I'm sad to say. Looks like big chunks were cut out of it (even though it's still an overly long movie), not sure if this happened before filming or in editing. It feels like a big preview for future movies, not a problem with me as long as the movie you are presenting is coherent and enjoyable which this isn't imo. Would be interested to see a Batman movie with Aflack though.

SteM

Tony EH wrote: »

'Man of Steel' made over 600 mil in dollars alone, on a budget of around 220 mil.

That's a hit in anyones books in reality.

$668m worldwide according to Wikipedia. The $225m figure was the production budget, I'm sure marketing was at least another $100m. My understanding was that they expected to make more on this movie.

Ben Gadot

Tony EH wrote: »

I've yet to hear a convincing argument as to why Snyder's Superman was bad.

I'm not a fan of his at all. I haven't been since his silly remake of 'Dawn of the Dead' 12 years ago. But, I liked his mature take on the character. I apprciated Kal El's brooding over being a lone alien amonst a people who don't trust him and having to combat his own kind in their defence.

That's all great IMHO.

People not liking it because they wanted some sort of cartoon, I can't really get on board with. I liked the fact that it didn't go down the Chuckle bros route like the Marvel films, which have become interchangable nothings at this point, bar the "odd" Marvel heroes like 'Ant-Man' or 'Deadpool', which have tried something a bit different.

I still haven't seen 'Batman Vs Superman' though. Don't know if I will. But something tells me it isn't half as bad as some people are saying.

As for Snyder, it's doubtful whether he'll get another go. Affleck is already on board for a Batman sequel, which he'll direct and I'll admit that sounds interesting. More interesting than a 'Justice League' film, that's for sure, which contains some of the crappest Superheroes ever.

Wonder Woman and Aquaman, I'm looking at you!

Snyder is in the hotseat for Justice League and given shooting begins this month, it's pretty much given that he's getting another go.

pixelburp

Ben Gadot wrote: »

Snyder is in the hotseat for Justice League and given shooting begins this month, it's pretty much given that he's getting another go.

It''s not entirely beyond the realms of possibility that Synder could get the boot, that sort of thing has happened many a time in Hollywood down the years. Heck, it wouldn't even be the first Superman adaptation to have a director replaced midshooting. All unlikely, but not impossible if Warmer / DC get another brainfart.

Ben Gadot

pixelburp wrote: »

It''s not entirely beyond the realms of possibility that Synder could get the boot, that sort of thing has happened many a time in Hollywood down the years. Heck, it wouldn't even be the first Superman adaptation to have a director replaced midshooting. All unlikely, but not impossible if Warmer / DC get another brainfart.

Snyder and his wife are heavily involved in the DCEU producer wise, so it's more complicated than previous cases of chucking directors.

I mean look at Marvel, never in a million years would they let a director take such a stake in the MCU, not even Whedon, because it makes it far easier to make business decisions such as axing Wright and the original director of Thor 2, Patty Jenkins.

There's only one way that Snyder leaves the director's chair: by stepping aside of his own accord, and I think he'll do that after JL.

Billy86

Cracked.com weigh in (note: it's a comedy website, but they pretty much nailed a lot of things. Plus I'm convinced Dan O'Brien in the blue/black striped shirt is one of the funniest people around)

IncognitoMan

Very interesting. So flash possibly wasn't referring to superman

http://buzz.ie/batmans-knightmare-sequence-in-bvs-explained-by-movies-storyboard-artist/

Ben Gadot

IncognitoMan wrote: »

Very interesting. So flash possibly wasn't referring to superman

http://buzz.ie/batmans-knightmare-sequence-in-bvs-explained-by-movies-storyboard-artist/

Even though the article didn't outright state it I detest the implication that Darkseid is a rip off of Thanos.

Darkseid came before Thanos! :mad::mad::pac:

SteM

IncognitoMan wrote: »

Very interesting. So flash possibly wasn't referring to superman

http://buzz.ie/batmans-knightmare-sequence-in-bvs-explained-by-movies-storyboard-artist/

The sound mix was so bad at the cinema I saw it in I couldn't figure out what The Flash was saying. I could pick up certain words but that was it.

IncognitoMan

Ben Gadot wrote: »

Even though the article didn't outright state it I detest the implication that Darkseid is a rip off of Thanos.

Darkseid came before Thanos! :mad::mad::pac:

I wonder how many times that will be used in the future justice league threads as a reason why people didn't like those films