The Boards.ie World Manager Application Thread

Colemania

MrMac84 wrote: »

I don’t seem to be admin of the game world any more....it seems to be wilberto

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Colemania wrote: »

The first gif was better

GT_TDI_150

MrMac84 wrote: »

I don’t seem to be admin of the game world any more....it seems to be wilberto

Theres an everton team available if ya fancy a challenge mac

Wilberto

Teams Available to Manage :

I've included the average attendances as it's generally easier to keep a positive bank balance with which to buy players when your club has a higher attendance figure.

No. | Team | Transfer Funds | No. of Players | Avg Rating | Total Value | Division | Avg Attendance
1 | Everton | 18.1m | 229 | 89 | 464.6m | 1 | 39,540
2 | Rangers | 710.6m | 27 | 83 | 67.8m | 1* | 36,354
3 | Valencia | 290.8m | 23 | 80 | 49.7m | 2* | 29,232
4 | Ajax | 639.2m | 23 | 84 | 73.4m | 3 | 37,591
5 | Boca Juniors | 414.4m | 29 | 85 | 93.1m | 3 | 48,805
6 | Celtic | 217.6m | 24 | 84 | 71.4m | 3 | 53,947
7 | Club America | 335.1m | 25 | 84 | 79.2m | 3 | 49,567
8 | Dynamo Kiev | 241.3m | 28 | 85 | 100.1m | 3 | 26,785
9 | Galatasaray | 223.6m | 27 | 85 | 82.5m | 3 | 27,735
10 | Genoa | 393.1m | 37 | 85 | 92.7m | 3 | 24,669
11 | Girondins Bordeaux | 265.4m | 25 | 84 | 67.4m | 3 | 33,273
12 | Gremio | 238.8m | 41 | 86 | 104.1m | 3 | 28,935
13 | Palmeiras | 211.5m | 44 | 86 | 135.9m | 3 | 32,371
14 | PSV | 409.5m | 23 | 84 | 75.8m | 3 | 28,963
15 | RCD Espanyol | 285.1m | 24 | 86 | 91.9m | 3 | 31,171
16 | Sporting de Braga | 213.4m | 86 | 87 | 105m | 3 | 21,555
17 | US Palermo | 369.4m | 34 | 84 | 91.3m | 3 | 28,522
18 | VfL Wolfsburg | 254.2m | 25 | 86 | 91.5m | 3 | 22,736
19 | Werder Bremen | 293.3m | 24 | 85 | 78.4m | 3 | 42,712
20 | West Brom | 254.2m | 25 | 86 | 91.5m | 3 | 30,098
21 | AJ Auxerre | 235.8m | 23 | 81 | 50.6m | 4 | 24,340
22 | Athletic Bilbao | 411.1m | 23 | 82 | 62.5m | 4 | 38,024
23 | AZ Alkmaar | 232.2m | 23 | 84 | 77.2m | 4 | 32,727
24 | Bayer Leverkusen | 458.5m | 23 | 84 | 62.6m | 4 | 30,548
25 | Besiktas | 235.9m | 24 | 86 | 86.0m | 4 | 36,062
26 | Chivas De Guadalajara | 246.7m | 27 | 84 | 61.2m | 4 | 33,047
27 | CSKA Moskva | 266.4m | 23 | 83 | 61.2m | 4 | 27,123
28 | FC Basel | 261.7m | 23 | 84 | 85.2m | 4 | 29,483
29 | FC Twente | 280.8m | 23 | 80 | 45.1m | 4 | 24,137
30 | Fenerbahce | 239.5m | 23 | 86 | 81.5m | 4 | 36,477
31 | Hamburger SV | 289.4m | 24 | 84 | 68.9m | 4 | 51,719
32 | LA Galaxy | 247.7m | 39 | 83 | 74.5m | 4 | 30,007
33 | Olympiacos | 172.9m | 38 | 86 | 114.6m | 4 | 34,572
34 | O. Marselle | 251.2m | 23 | 82 | 57.6m | 4 | 34,958
35 | Portsmouth | 272.9m | 25 | 77 | 18.7m | 4 | 22,021
36 | RSC Anderlecht | 247.5m | 23 | 85 | 85.8m | 4** | 35,765
37 | Shanghai Shenhua | 218.8m | 46 | 81 | 59.5m | 4 | 29,129
38 | Standard Liege | 229.6m | 25 | 85 | 92.8m | 4 | 32,054
39 | Sao Paulo FC | 257.1m | 31 | 85 | 89.1m | 4 | 36,533
40 | Velez Sarsfield | 254.6m | 27 | 80 | 43.4m | 4 | 23,011


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king size mars bar

eh i dunno wrote: »

4 games to go. Don't go winning all 4

Stranger things have happened lol

king size mars bar

Maybe I'm reading it wrong but do Everton have 229 players on their books?

Wilberto

king size mars bar wrote:

Maybe I'm reading it wrong but do Everton have 229 players on their books?

They sure do. Some very good youngsters as well!

GT_TDI_150

Its why the everton manager moved to barca.... his secret basement and attic were full at everton

baza Rakus

redzerdrog wrote: »

You get extra points for winning trophies that's why someone can can have over a 3pt average

Cup games are included and counted

No, I didn't. Keep up. I said taking "average points" into consideration made that a nonsense. "Points" are awarded for league games, so by including cup games they make the rating stupid and pointless. You don't see them talking about average points in the premier league but taking fa cup games into consideration do you?

redzerdrog

Em I don't think managers jobs in the premier league are decided by average points

baza Rakus

Precisely.

GT_TDI_150

what do people suggest is used as the deciding factor?

Total points scored is madness as it just rewards longevity ...

I'm 7th in overall points i think but there are managers in the game have done much better jobs than me but just have no where near the amount of games played so under the total points metric would never beat me... **


**all hypatethical as "I'm Porto till die, I'm Porto till I die, I'm sure I am, I know I am, I'm porto till I die!!" (or quit, I'm porto till I quit the game)

baza Rakus

What's wrong with awarding longevity? It gives folks something for sticking with their club!

By the same token, punishes club jumpers who go around like sailors from port to port, spreading their filth.

I don't know the solution - I'M NOT A DOCTOR - but I do know that taking a "points" average, which isn't a points average as it takes cup games into consideration, is a nonsense. That needs to go, because teams can simply doctor their performance, give up against same or lower clubs, only try against big clubs, and concentrate on the cups, be in the lower reaches of the league flirting with relegation and get the biggest gig in the game namely BARCELONA! Mad. Ness.

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

what do people suggest is used as the deciding factor?

Total points scored is madness as it just rewards longevity ...

I'm 7th in overall points i think but there are managers in the game have done much better jobs than me but just have no where near the amount of games played so under the total points metric would never beat me... **


**all hypatethical as "I'm Porto till die, I'm Porto till I die, I'm sure I am, I know I am, I'm porto till I die!!" (or quit, I'm porto till I quit the game)

Wilberto

baza Rakus wrote: »

What's wrong with awarding longevity? It gives folks something for sticking with their club!

By the same token, punishes club jumpers who go around like sailors from port to port, spreading their filth.

I don't know the solution - I'M NOT A DOCTOR - but I do know that taking a "points" average, which isn't a points average as it takes cup games into consideration, is a nonsense. That needs to go, because teams can simply doctor their performance, give up against same or lower clubs, only try against big clubs, and concentrate on the cups, be in the lower reaches of the league flirting with relegation and get the biggest gig in the game namely BARCELONA! Mad. Ness.

All of the manager points earned by a manager stay with that manager. This means that the old system (based on total manager points) rewards longevity regardless of how many clubs you've had in the past. It doesn't take club/career history into account at all so it doesn't have any affect on those "club jumpers".


What's wrong with longetivity? Allow me to answer that with another question. What incentive is there for newer managers that want to manage at a higher level if the applications process were based on the old system? This league has been around for several years now, meaning that most of the managers here have amassed an high volume of manager points. It's impossible for a newer manager to overtake those managers in terms of these manager points meaning that if a plum job did arise they'd have no chance against older manager despite the fact that the older manager may, in fact, be terrible and the newer one much better and more deserving of the job..

baza Rakus

Answering a question with a question. That's really helpful. Why would you want to reward new managers have just joined in the league over ones who have stuck by it for years and years and done their time? Why haven't you addressed the total flaw in the current system of "average points"? You need to take some time and figure out what you want from the league. The league is old. You're not gonna attract new managers without some innovation. But this isn't about attracting new managers is it? It's about a flawed manager application process.

Wilberto wrote: »

All of the manager points earned by a manager stay with that manager. This means that the old system (based on total manager points) rewards longevity regardless of how many clubs you've had in the past. It doesn't take club/career history into account at all so it doesn't have any affect on those "club jumpers".


What's wrong with longetivity? Allow me to answer that with another question. What incentive is there for newer managers that want to manage at a higher level if the applications process were based on the old system? This league has been around for several years now, meaning that most of the managers here have amassed an high volume of manager points. It's impossible for a newer manager to overtake those managers in terms of these manager points meaning that if a plum job did arise they'd have no chance against older manager despite the fact that the older manager may, in fact, be terrible and the newer one much better and more deserving of the job..

Wilberto

baza Rakus wrote: »

Answering a question with a question. That's really helpful. Why would you want to reward new managers have just joined in the league over ones who have stuck by it for years and years and done their time? Why haven't you addressed the total flaw in the current system of "average points"? You need to take some time and figure out what you want from the league. The league is old. You're not gonna attract new managers without some innovation. But this isn't about attracting new managers is it? It's about a flawed manager application process.

But we're not rewarding managers who have just joined. All managers still have to manage at their current club for at least 50 games before they can apply again for a new club.



As for the apparent flaw in the applications process, I'll show you an example using GT's details (simply because it's easier as I know he was at his club since day one and as such has managed every game).

He has managed Porto for 554 games (454 league games and 100 cup games (including two playoff games).
For each of his 230 wins, he gets either 3 points or 5 points added to his manager points (regardless of whether this win was in the league or the cup), depending on whether SM deemed his opponent stronger or not.
It's a similar story for each of 118 draws, except he gets either 1 point or 2 points added to he manager points, again regardless of whether this draw came in a league or a cup match.
For each of his 206 losses he gets nothing added, obviously! :pac:
He also won a cup title this season, meaning that another 10 points was added to his manager points total. He won a playoff final as well but I'm not sure whether SM add 10 points for this as well. I'm assuming not as it's not really a cup title.
Had he won a league title he would have got another 10 points added to his manager points total.

The accumulation of the above manager points (1,109 in this case) is then divided by the total games played (554 in this case) to give him an average of 2.00 points per game.




Just a note: These manager points are completely independent of the points that your club makes for winning a league match (which is always 3), or drawing a match (which is always 1).

baza Rakus

So you admit a manager can doctor his points by sacrificing his games against lower or equal opposition, and focusing on playing higher teams and winning cups/play-offs?

And you agree it's a good idea to ban a manager who has jumped clubs from jumping again?

Wilberto wrote: »

But we're not rewarding managers who have just joined. All managers still have to manage at their current club for at least 50 games before they can apply again for a new club.



As for the apparent flaw in the applications process, I'll show you an example using GT's details (simply because it's easier as I know he was at his club since day one and as such has managed every game).

He has managed Porto for 554 games (454 league games and 100 cup games (including two playoff games).
For each of his 230 wins, he gets either 3 points or 5 points added to his manager points (regardless of whether this win was in the league or the cup), depending on whether SM deemed his opponent stronger or not.
It's a similar story for each of 118 draws, except he gets either 1 point or 2 points added to he manager points, again regardless of whether this draw came in a league or a cup match.
For each of his 206 losses he gets nothing added, obviously! :pac:
He also won a cup title this season, meaning that another 10 points was added to his manager points total. He won a playoff final as well but I'm not sure whether SM add 10 points for this as well. I'm assuming not as it's not really a cup title.
Had he won a league title he would have got another 10 points added to his manager points total.

The accumulation of the above manager points (1,109 in this case) is then divided by the total games played (554 in this case) to give him an average of 2.00 points per game.




Just a note: These manager points are completely independent of the points that your club makes for winning a league match (which is always 3), or drawing a match (which is always 1).

Hercule Poirot

baza Rakus wrote: »

What's wrong with awarding longevity? It gives folks something for sticking with their club!

By the same token, punishes club jumpers who go around like sailors from port to port, spreading their filth.

I don't know the solution - I'M NOT A DOCTOR - but I do know that taking a "points" average, which isn't a points average as it takes cup games into consideration, is a nonsense. That needs to go, because teams can simply doctor their performance, give up against same or lower clubs, only try against big clubs, and concentrate on the cups, be in the lower reaches of the league flirting with relegation and get the biggest gig in the game namely BARCELONA! Mad. Ness.

Ah Baz, that really hurt my feelings....:(:(

baza Rakus

Hercule Poirot wrote: »

Ah Baz, that really hurt my feelings....:(:(

Pah! As we say in France, C'est juste une affaire!

Wilberto

baza Rakus wrote: »

So you admit a manager can doctor his points by sacrificing his games against lower or equal opposition, and focusing on playing higher teams and winning cups/play-offs?

Why would a manager sacrifice much easier three point or one point games against easier opponents, for the chance of getting five points or three points against stronger opponents?

Even if they won or drew these more difficult games, they'd onle be making up the shortfall from the manager points lost in the other games that were sacrificed.

There is little to no advantage to doing this.

baza Rakus wrote: »

And you agree it's a good idea to ban a manager who has jumped clubs from jumping again?

Under the previous system, the rule was that the manager couldn't change clubs more than once a season. It was changed under the new system to not being able to do so unless you've managed 50 games at the manager's current club. This is because the average manager points per game is much more reflective of a managers performance when there are more games played.

redzerdrog

Baz you are making no sense to be fair

baza Rakus

You cut me Redzer. Cut me deep!
Just cos you don't understand me doesn't nececelery mean I'm the one not making sense. YOu could be the one who is not understanding correctly.

redzerdrog wrote: »

Baz you are making no sense to be fair

Wilberto

Applications for the Olympique Lyonnais vacancy now open!

Closing Deadline : 26th January 2018 @ 00:00

Team | Funds | No. of Players | Avg Rating | Total Value | Division
Lyon | 74.7m | 51 | 90 | 210.4m | 2


Managers Applying for the Olympique Lyonnais vacancy :

Manager | Current Club | Manager Ranking | Total Points at Current Club | No. of Games at Current Club | Avg Points at Current Club
| | | | |

Wilberto

Applications for the Olympique Lyonnais vacancy now open!

Closing Deadline : 26th January 2018 @ 00:00

Team | Funds | No. of Players | Avg Rating | Total Value | Division
Lyon | 74.7m | 51 | 90 | 210.4m | 2


Managers Applying for the Olympique Lyonnais vacancy :

Manager | Current Club | Manager Ranking | Total Points at Current Club | No. of Games at Current Club | Avg Points at Current Club
PaddyWilliams | Internazionale | 38 | 406 | 224 | 1.81

Wilberto

Applications for the Olympique Lyonnais vacancy now open!

Closing Deadline : 26th January 2018 @ 00:00 Closed!

Team | Funds | No. of Players | Avg Rating | Total Value | Division
Lyon | 74.7m | 51 | 90 | 210.4m | 2


Managers Applying for the Olympique Lyonnais vacancy :

Manager | Current Club | Manager Ranking | Total Points at Current Club | No. of Games at Current Club | Avg Points at Current Club
PaddyWilliams | Internazionale | 38 | 406 | 224 | 1.81



As PaddyWilliams is the sole applicant for the Lyon position, he has now been offered a contract to become their next manager.

Wilberto

Applications for the Juventus vacancy now open!

Closing Deadline : 12th May 2018 @ 12:00

Team | Funds | No. of Players | Avg Rating | Total Value | Division
Juventus| 223.2m | 93 | 90 | 454.6m | 1


Managers Applying for the Juventus vacancy :

Manager | Current Club | Manager Ranking | Total Points at Current Club | No. of Games at Current Club | Avg Points at Current Club
Naughty Boy I | Sunderland | 24 | 839 | 472 | 1.78

Wilberto

I've drawn up a list of managers who meet the 50 game rule so are allowed to apply. I've included the applicable average points alongside your name also.

Bear in mind, the average used is your average points earned at your current club.


Club | Boards.ie Username | Games (Club) | Mgr Points (Club) | Avg Mgr Pts (Club)
AC Milan | colmmcg2410 | 287 | 566 | 1.97
ACF Fiorentina | ctrl-alt-delete | 151 | 271 | 1.79
Anzhi Makhachkala | richieffff | 331 | 620 | 1.87
Arsenal | Manzoor14 | 558 | 1082 | 1.94
AS Roma | Colemania | 139 | 267 | 1.92
Aston Villa | eh i dunno | 553 | 1051 | 1.90
Atlético Madrid | tonic wine | 540 | 1261 | 2.34
Bayern Munchen | Kersplat! | 572 | 1107 | 1.94
Borussia Dortmund | baza Rakus | 341 | 621 | 1.82
Chelsea | Irish Goldberg | 214 | 389 | 1.82
Cruzeiro | modo85 | 509 | 963 | 1.89
Estudiantes de La Plata | Taylor Swift | 242 | 507 | 2.10
FC Porto | GT_TDI_150 | 599 | 1198 | 2.00
FC Schalke 04 | Jurgen Klopp | 396 | 703 | 1.78
Flamengo | Perrin V2 | 553 | 1101 | 1.99
Hannover 96 | cloughieB | 97 | 176 | 1.81
Liverpool | unkymo | 385 | 918 | 2.38
Manchester City | gerp99 | 521 | 1213 | 2.13
Manchester United | RickyOFlaherty | 290 | 523 | 1.80
Malaga CF | Comic Book Guy | 342 | 686 | 2.01
Newcastle United | Salmon | 244 | 474 | 1.94
Panathinaikos | Ordinary man | 390 | 763 | 1.96
Paris Saint-Germain | JamboMac | 404 | 703 | 1.74
Real Madrid | Burlap_Sack | 419 | 797 | 1.90
Sevilla | Techniques07 | 540 | 963 | 1.78
Shaktar Donetsk | rule supreme | 199 | 445 | 2.24
SL Benfica | GLaDOS | 317 | 512 | 1.62
Spartak Moskva | mackeire | 543 | 974 | 1.79
Sporting Lisbon | thisyear | 200 | 334 | 1.67
SS Lazio | tupac_healy | 556 | 1031 | 1.85
SSC Napoli | Maldjd23 | 594 | 1126 | 1.90
Sunderland | Naughty Boy I | 223 | 396 | 1.78
Tottenham Hotspur | redzerdrog | 101 | 225 | 2.23
Udinese | doc holliday | 145 | 293 | 2.02
VfB Stuttgart | king size mars bar | 157 | 373 | 2.38
Zenit | Batesy77 | 350 | 602 | 1.72



The highlighted teams are the current confirmed applicants.

Salmon

I'll Throw my name in the hat for the Juve Job Wilberto. Im currently managing Newcastle, Cheers

Wilberto

Applications for the Juventus vacancy now open!

Closing Deadline : 12th May 2018 @ 12:00

Team | Funds | No. of Players | Avg Rating | Total Value | Division
Juventus| 223.2m | 93 | 90 | 454.6m | 1


Managers Applying for the Juventus vacancy :

Manager | Current Club | Manager Ranking | Total Points at Current Club | No. of Games at Current Club | Avg Points at Current Club
Salmon | Newcastle | 36 | 474 | 244 |1.94
Naughty Boy I | Sunderland | 24 | 396 | 223 | 1.78

Wilberto

Applications for the Juventus vacancy now open CLOSED!

Closing Deadline : 12th May 2018 @ 12:00

Team | Funds | No. of Players | Avg Rating | Total Value | Division
Juventus| 223.2m | 93 | 90 | 454.6m | 1


Managers Applying for the Juventus vacancy :

Manager | Current Club | Manager Ranking | Total Points at Current Club | No. of Games at Current Club | Avg Points at Current Club
Salmon | Newcastle | 36 | 474 | 244 |1.94
Naughty Boy I | Sunderland | 24 | 396 | 223 | 1.78



Juventus would like to invite Salmon to Turin to begin formal contract negotiations.