Ireland u20 6 Nations and Junior World Cup 2014

clubrug

ormond lad wrote: »

Glynn is injured. Got injured in game v Bristol.
Coady had been with Connacht for a short while I think.
Good to see Healy there. Very talented footballer.
Dee is a good player but don't think he is better than who is there already.

No offence Ormond, but I would have to challenge you there, safely say you ask any of the squad lads from previous ones that played with him and they will tell you the back row additions are no way near him, he is a great bit of stuff.

ormond lad

clubrug wrote: »

No offence Ormond, but I would have to challenge you there, safely say you ask any of the squad lads from previous ones that played with him and they will tell you the back row additions are no way near him, he is a great bit of stuff.

From previous what? He is a good player but don't think he's better than Aid Butler, Sonny, JOD.
He is a very good player. Ive seen him perform well at senior schools level past few years and he is very good but just don't think he's better than whats in squad.

wp_rathead

clubrug wrote: »

No offence Ormond, but I would have to challenge you there, safely say you ask any of the squad lads from previous ones that played with him and they will tell you the back row additions are no way near him, he is a great bit of stuff.

challenging Ormond's knowledge of Irish youth rugby :eek::eek:

thomond2006

Ormond knows too much. Too much.

Hagz

Sean O'Hagan is now in the Connacht Academy.

RobbieRuns

Hagz wrote: »

Sean O'Hagan is now in the Connacht Academy.

Where did that come from? did not see his name on the original academy list or is this a recent addition. Delighted if he is mind, a real talent for sure but still very young.

Hagz

RobbieRuns wrote: »

Where did that come from? did not see his name on the original academy list or is this a recent addition. Delighted if he is mind, a real talent for sure but still very young.

It came from my incredible insider knowledge....

not really.

Inpho do the headshots for the provinces, and they all go up on their site.



This went up today, along with Ciaran Gaffney's, so I presume it is a recent addition.

ormond lad

RobbieRuns wrote: »

Where did that come from? did not see his name on the original academy list or is this a recent addition. Delighted if he is mind, a real talent for sure but still very young.

Recent addition. Is young but is it not better to be involved in academy this year than wait for next year? Why wait?

Interpros start Friday night. Leinster v Connacht and Ulster v Munster. Think it'll be Leinster and Munster wins. Anyone think different?

RobbieRuns

Jeez that's a fine pair of shoulders on that young lad, these boys certainly get fit.

I know it was pointed out recently that OL was the font of all youth rugby knowledge (joking) but I will oppose you there and go for Connacht and Ulster this weekend ! Leinster will always be fav for all age grade rugby games and should win easily I suppose, but you just never know, Connacht forwards are not too shabby. Ulster will give Munster a good run as well. Going for the underdogs.

Leinster5

Leinster u20 side to face Connacht on Friday :

1 - Ivan Soroka
2 - Dylan Donnellan
3 - Oisin Heffernan
4 - Stephen Gardiner
5 - Ross Molony(Captain)
6 - Josh Murphy
7 - Michael Triggs
8 - Peadar Timmins
9 - Nick McCarthy
10 - Ross Byrne
11 - Cian Kelleher
12 - Adam Byrne
13 - Gary Ringrose
14 - Ian Fitzpatrick
15 - Billy Dardis

Not sure of the bench, but that's 100% the starting 15. Not the strongest Leinster 20 side I've ever seen, a lot of talent in the back-line considering Robb, Fromm and O'Loughlin are injured, but the front 5 bar Molony isn't strong at all compared to what it could have been or has been in previous years in my opinion.

backgreen

ormond lad wrote: »

Recent addition. Is young but is it not better to be involved in academy this year than wait for next year? Why wait?

Interpros start Friday night. Leinster v Connacht and Ulster v Munster. Think it'll be Leinster and Munster wins. Anyone think different?

not sure on munster,connacht drew with them in a friendly and they lost all their games on tour in england ..will be close

ormond lad

Leinster5 wrote: »

Leinster u20 side to face Connacht on Friday :
1 - Ivan Soroka
2 - Dylan Donnellan
3 - Oisin Heffernan
4 - Stephen Gardiner
5 - Ross Molony(Captain)
6 - Josh Murphy
7 - Michael Triggs
8 - Peadar Timmins
9 - Nick McCarthy
10 - Ross Byrne
11 - Cian Kelleher
12 - Adam Byrne
13 - Gary Ringrose
14 - Ian Fitzpatrick
15 - Billy Dardis

Not sure of the bench, but that's 100% the starting 15. Not the strongest Leinster 20 side I've ever seen, a lot of talent in the back-line considering Robb, Fromm and O'Loughlin are injured, but the front 5 bar Molony isn't strong at all compared to what it could have been or has been in previous years in my opinion.

Not as strong as some people thought with several players missing who would strengthen side quite a bit. Front 5 is strong enough but missing likes of Dooley will make a difference. wjo else would you add to front 5

backgreen wrote: »

not sure on munster,connacht drew with them in a friendly and they lost all their games on tour in england ..will be close

Will be close but think Munster will edge it. Connacht are a good side, won 19s last year and have a strong side that has good shot at interpro title.

Leinster5

ormond lad wrote: »

Not as strong as some people thought with several players missing who would strengthen side quite a bit. Front 5 is strong enough but missing likes of Dooley will make a difference. wjo else would you add .

Well Soroka has never convinced apart from his scrummaging. Offers nothing around the park. Coulson is much more useful, but obviously isn't a stronger scrummager. But Leinster want to play expansive rugby. I'd have Loughman in that side ahead of Heffernan, considering many other u19 players were brought up if they were deemed good enough. Donnellan at hooker is a disgraceful call, I can only think that Delahunt has a knock because he performed well against Leicester Academy and Old Belvedere. Sure I don't understand how Allen didn't even get a look in, because I was told he re-joined up with the Leinster squad two weeks ago, and he's a much better player than Donnellan.

NoClues00

Connacht's strength is up front with Walshe at LH and Saba at TH.
Better off with a solid scrum which they should have with Soroka and Heffo.

Loughman is still in school with Rock, players who are still in school don't get considered for Leinster under 20s and rightly so.

Surprised Delahunt isn't starting but maybe he is injured, not surprised about Allen it's clear he and the coaches don't get along... and it's not the first set of coaches this has happened with Richie.

Molony and Gardiner is as good a combo, if not better, as Leinster had last year..

Weakest spot is SH imo.

.ak

Byrne at 12? Has he played on every outside back position now?

Tox56

It could be a very threatening back line if Robb/Fromm come back in at 12, O'Loughlin at 13 with Byrne out to the wing. If Robb/Fromm/O'Loughlin are injured hopefully they'll be back soon, that backline would possibly consist of 5/6 Irish starters (with McKeon on the bench)

Quint2010

When/were is the Leinster Connacht game on?

ormond lad

Quint2010 wrote: »

When/were is the Leinster Connacht game on?

Friday Night in Donnybrook

lurtz

Hagz wrote: »

It came from my incredible insider knowledge....

not really.

Inpho do the headshots for the provinces, and they all go up on their site.



This went up today, along with Ciaran Gaffney's, so I presume it is a recent addition.

looks like masterson blade and dinneen are going in as well

lurtz

Leinster5 wrote: »

Well Soroka has never convinced apart from his scrummaging. Offers nothing around the park. Coulson is much more useful, but obviously isn't a stronger scrummager. But Leinster want to play expansive rugby. I'd have Loughman in that side ahead of Heffernan, considering many other u19 players were brought up if they were deemed good enough. Donnellan at hooker is a disgraceful call, I can only think that Delahunt has a knock because he performed well against Leicester Academy and Old Belvedere. Sure I don't understand how Allen didn't even get a look in, because I was told he re-joined up with the Leinster squad two weeks ago, and he's a much better player than Donnellan.

what else do you want from a prop other than to be a good scrummager?
as long as he does that everything else is a bonus

Hagz

Hmmm, little confusing. Masterson,Blade and Dineen were snapped at the same time as the whole squad so I don't know why they're not on the Connacht site. Then again, the profile section on the Connacht site is woeful.

lurtz

Hagz wrote: »

Hmmm, little confusing. Masterson,Blade and Dineen were snapped at the same time as the whole squad so I don't know why they're not on the Connacht site. Then again, the profile section on the Connacht site is woeful.

pretty sure they have gone in. makes for 13 in 1st year! big number

Leinster5

lurtz wrote: »

what else do you want from a prop other than to be a good scrummager?
as long as he does that everything else is a bonus

Well, when I look at other Props around that age-group, I see players like Dooley, Byrne, Walshe etc, and they can all carry extremely well and scrummage well.

ormond lad

Leinster team to play Connacht tomorrow
15: Billy Dardis (UCD)
14: Cian Kelleher (Lansdowne)
13: Adam Byrne (UCD)
12: Gary Ringrose (Blackrock College)
11: Ian Fitzpatrick (Lansdowne)
10: Ross Byrne (UCD)
9: Nick McCarthy (St. Michael's College)
1: Ivan Soroka (Belvedere College SJ)
2: Dylan Donnellan (UCD)
3: Oisin Heffernan (Lansdowne)
4: Ross Moloney (UCD) CAPTAIN
5: Stephen Gardiner (Lansdowne)
6: Josh Murphy (UCD)
7: Michael Triggs (Lansdowne)
8: Peader Timmins (UCD) VICE CAPTAIN

REPLACEMENTS:
16: Shane Delahunt (Lansdowne)
17: Denis Coulson (Lansdowne)
18: Craig Trenier (Terenure College RFC)
19: Stephen Keelan (Clongowes Wood College SJ)
20: Sean Coughlan (Blackrock College)
21: Charlie Rock (Old Belvedere RFC)
22: Conor McKeon (Lansdowne)
23: Stephen O'Neill (Terenure College RFC)

http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/domestic/news/10300.php

Hagz

I'm not so sure about the centre partnership. I know it's forced by injury though. I have a feeling Connacht might just do it.

ormond lad

Hagz wrote: »

I'm not so sure about the centre partnership. I know it's forced by injury though. I have a feeling Connacht might just do it.

I think it'll be ok though O Neill at 12 with Byrne at 13 would be more even. Connacht could do it anyway. very strong side

Munster team to play Ulster tomorrow is
15 Dave Johnson
14 Alex Wootton 13 Dan Goggin 12 Ned Hodgson 11 Adrian Enright
10 Shane Airey 9 Ryan Foley
1 Mike Lynch 2 Max Abbott 3 Rory Burke
4 Patrick Kearns 5 Darragh Moloney
6 Lee Nicolas 7 Aidan Butler 8 Jack O Donoghue
subs
16 Ben Burns 17 Sean McGee 18 James Maxwell
19 Tadhg Arrigan 20 Sonny Dwyer
21 Aaron Atkinson 22 Gearoid Lyons 23 Sam Sterling

ormond lad

And the Ulster team to face Munster is:

15 Rob Haldane, Malone
14 David Busby, Queens University
13 Ross Adair, Ballynahinch
12 Mark Best , Belfast Harlequins
11.Jacob Knight, Irish Exiles
10 Josh Bingham, Methodist College Belfast
9 Conor Young, Durham University
1 Jonny Craig, Queens University Belfast
2 Michael Lagan, Methodist College Belfast
3 James Leary, Newcastle University
4 Michael Campbell, Queens University
5 Scott Barr, Brighton University
6 Frankie Taggart, Irish Exiles/Belfast Harlequins Capt.
7 Josh Atkinson, Instonians
8 Lorcan Dow, Irish Exiles/Queens University

16 Patrick Finlay, Trinity College Dublin
17 Darryl Morton, Armagh
18 Ross Kane, Malone
19 Alex Thompson, Methodist College
20 Ben Alexander, Malone
21 Michael Rainey, Malone
22 Paddy Colhoun, Queens University
23 Conor McKee, Methodist College

RuPi

Can't believe the number of leinster players at Lansdowne and UCD, is there a reason so many school leavers aren't signing for the other Dublin sides such as Clontarf, Belvedere and Marys?

backgreen

RuPi wrote: »

Can't believe the number of leinster players at Lansdowne and UCD, is there a reason so many school leavers aren't signing for the other Dublin sides such as Clontarf, Belvedere and Marys?

irish u20 coach is at lansdowne,great facilities at UCD

ormond lad

RuPi wrote: »

Can't believe the number of leinster players at Lansdowne and UCD, is there a reason so many school leavers aren't signing for the other Dublin sides such as Clontarf, Belvedere and Marys?

Mike Ruddock is coach in Lansdowne which may help chances of making irish squad.
UCD have great facilities and they always have very strong 21s/AIL sides to play with. AIL u20/21 champions very often

Buer

They also recruit extremely aggressively. Lansdowne, for example, went and visited Tom Daly when he was in 5th year to persuade him to join Lansdowne when he left school...and he wasn't even playing schools rugby!

CGD

RuPi wrote: »

Can't believe the number of leinster players at Lansdowne and UCD, is there a reason so many school leavers aren't signing for the other Dublin sides such as Clontarf, Belvedere and Marys?

Young lads are very fickle and go where there is proven success and good facillities. Nearly every player wants to firstly go to UCD but the good players that don't get offered the Sporting Scholarships still want to go play at the highest level in the best team they can. Clontarf and Mary's are not central to the main colleges and are hard to get to in the dark and dingy winter nights. Belvo get plenty of schools players but their association with Belvo and Michael's puts some lads off as there are big clicks there.

Facillites at UCD and Lansdowne are top class and the myth that Ruddock favours Lansdowne lads is just that a myth. If your good enough you are simply good enough if not you are not. To good a coach and to much experience to let that influence him. The way his senior team in Lansdowne played last year was unreal never seen an AIL team as fast in everything they do. Herd Leinster lads giving out about Belvo when they played them on the training pitch instead of main pitch as well. Last time I was there parts of the club were closed because it was condemed or something

Reasons are usually pretty simple and not complex. If had a choice and they wanted me at that age I would go to UCD or Lansdowne as well!

bilston

ormond lad wrote: »

And the Ulster team to face Munster is:

15 Rob Haldane, Malone
14 David Busby, Queens University
13 Ross Adair, Ballynahinch
12 Mark Best , Belfast Harlequins
11.Jacob Knight, Irish Exiles
10 Josh Bingham, Methodist College Belfast
9 Conor Young, Durham University
1 Jonny Craig, Queens University Belfast
2 Michael Lagan, Methodist College Belfast
3 James Leary, Newcastle University
4 Michael Campbell, Queens University
5 Scott Barr, Brighton University
6 Frankie Taggart, Irish Exiles/Belfast Harlequins Capt.
7 Josh Atkinson, Instonians
8 Lorcan Dow, Irish Exiles/Queens University

16 Patrick Finlay, Trinity College Dublin
17 Darryl Morton, Armagh
18 Ross Kane, Malone
19 Alex Thompson, Methodist College
20 Ben Alexander, Malone
21 Michael Rainey, Malone
22 Paddy Colhoun, Queens University
23 Conor McKee, Methodist College

A lot of players from Methody there! I assume they just haven't been registered with a club yet (although I find that hard to believe) rather than them still being at school.

I've heard good things about Ross Adair although I think he usually plays in the back three? Hopefully he will be the latest product of the Ulster backs production line.

Leinster5

RuPi wrote: »

Can't believe the number of leinster players at Lansdowne and UCD, is there a reason so many school leavers aren't signing for the other Dublin sides such as Clontarf, Belvedere and Marys?

The simple reason is money or scholarships. UCD offer several players scholarships of all sorts just so they'll play for them. And as for Lansdowne, they pay their players between €1,000-€2,500 a year at U21 level, which is a disgrace really. As for the other few Dublin teams like Blackrock RFC, Old Belvedere and St. Marys, I'm not sure who'd play for them, but I know that Old Belvedere signed Allen, Robb and Larkin, who all were members of the Leinster 20 squad this year, but not sure about the other two clubs, they are usually very weak.

The Lost Sheep

bilston wrote: »

A lot of players from Methody there! I assume they just haven't been registered with a club yet (although I find that hard to believe) rather than them still being at school.

I've heard good things about Ross Adair although I think he usually plays in the back three? Hopefully he will be the latest product of the Ulster backs production line.

Yes. Not listed with a club yet and are out of school. Rare enough that players still in school and playing 20s.

Leinster5 wrote: »

The simple reason is money or scholarships. UCD offer several players scholarships of all sorts just so they'll play for them. And as for Lansdowne, they pay their players between €1,000-€2,500 a year at U21 level, which is a disgrace really. As for the other few Dublin teams like Blackrock RFC, Old Belvedere and St. Marys, I'm not sure who'd play for them, but I know that Old Belvedere signed Allen, Robb and Larkin, who all were members of the Leinster 20 squad this year, but not sure about the other two clubs, they are usually very weak.

Lansdowne do not pay players that much. Wouldn't insinuate things like that. Blackrock are not one of the top clubs and do not have the pull of division 1 clubs

The Lost Sheep

Connacht 20s team
1 Jacob Walshe Buccaneers
2 Scott Flanagan Buccaneers
3 Saba Meunargia Buccaneers
4 Josh O'Rourke Buccaneers
5 Sean O'Brien (Capt) Galwegians
6 Sam McCormack Westport
7 Rory Moloney Buccaneers
8 Jack Dineen Galwegians
9 Caolin Blade Monivea
10 Sean O'Hagan Corinthians
11 Mark O'Keefe Old Belvedere
12 Andrew McAleer Westport
13 Rory Parata Galwegians
14 Matthew Mellotte Barnhall
15 Eoghan O'Reilly Buccaneers
Replacements:
16 Conor Duffy UCD
17 Dan McCardle Galwegians
18 Andrew Barr Old Belvedere
19 Shane Boyle UL Bohs
20 Eddie Earle Galwegians
21 Conor Kerins Sligo
22 Ben Carty Buccaneers
23 Charlie Ryan Cill Dara

Leinster5

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Yes. Not listed with a club yet and are out of school. Rare enough that players still in school and playing 20s.
Lansdowne do not pay players that much. Wouldn't insinuate things like that. Blackrock are not one of the top clubs and do not have the pull of division 1 clubs

My cousin played for them last year and received €1,500 off them. And he didn't play a single 1sts game for the Seniors.

Leinster5

ormond lad wrote: »

Mike Ruddock is coach in Lansdowne which may help chances of making irish squad.
UCD have great facilities and they always have very strong 21s/AIL sides to play with. AIL u20/21 champions very often

Can you change your account from being a "closed" one please.

CGD

Leinster5 wrote: »

My cousin played for them last year and received €1,500 off them. And he didn't play a single 1sts game for the Seniors.

Where is your cousin now if he is that good we will take him!! If he will travel outside Dublin and accept pints instead!!

If that is true and I would be very sceptical that it is they wouldn't be doin it unless the rest are at it as well. They aren't that stupid. Have a nephew who was offered 70 points for Maynooth if he played with Barnhall, my mates kid played with Clontarf years ago and got free accomadation and a few quid. My own personal experience was of a kiwi who moved to our area and payed junior rugby for us, great player but left after one year for silly money to Belvo. Deserved to play AIL but said he would have stayed with us except for the cash he was getting. Lots of stories out there but very few of them are true and are the stuff of urban legend

The Lost Sheep

Leinster Connacht 6-6 halftime. Poor game so far. quite scrappy

The Lost Sheep

Ulster beat Munster 17-14

FrannoFan

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Leinster Connacht 6-6 halftime. Poor game so far. quite scrappy

Any result of 20's game?

Hagz

FrannoFan wrote: »

Any result of 20's game?

Someone on the Leinster site is saying it was 41-6 to Leinster with 5 mins to go.

Tox56

Hagz wrote: »

Someone on the Leinster site is saying it was 41-6 to Leinster with 5 mins to go.

6-6 at half time to 41-6 at full time?!?

Hagz

Tox56 wrote: »

6-6 at half time to 41-6 at full time?!?

No not full-time, 5 mins to go. He left early apparently.

Stanza2

Great performance from Leinster, they just looked to have some serious backs with ball in hand and I hate saying this after a game like that...... The ref was so bad ! Can ruin a good game. Still some positives for Connacht. Some great players on both teams. Pity about the cards (lost count) over as a contest when Sean O'Brien was sent to the line.

Edit so Apologies I am unsure about cards! Was looking away for most of the second half ! Well done to Leinster. It was a very tough game.

Hagz

Stanza2 wrote: »

Great performance from Leinster, they just looked to have some serious backs with ball in hand and I hate saying this after a game like that...... The ref was so bad ! Can ruin a good game. Still some positives for Connacht. Some great players on both teams. Pity about the 8 yellows and 2 reds (lost count) over as a contest when Sean O'Brien was sent off

Score?

CGD

Stanza2 wrote: »

Great performance from Leinster, they just looked to have some serious backs with ball in hand and I hate saying this after a game like that...... The ref was so bad ! Can ruin a good game. Still some positives for Connacht. Some great players on both teams. Pity about the 8 yellows and 2 reds (lost count) over as a contest when Sean O'Brien was sent off

That's O'Brien gone so for the rest of the series what happened there sounds like
It got heated

FrannoFan

CGD wrote: »

That's O'Brien gone so for the rest of the series what happened there sounds like
It got heated

What happened?he seemed like a level headed leader for Roscrea last year.outstanding talent,pity if he was gone for a few games.

backgreen

anyone at the munster/ulster u20 game?