Seriously, I am not grievously offending you !

DubTony

Iwannahurl wrote: »

Indeed. All flashing each other, politely of course.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Iwannahurl
Does this scenario seem plausible? You're driving on a motorway at or just below the speed limit. There is traffic up ahead moving at a slower speed so you move to the overtaking lane. Unfortunately up ahead you find three or four more vehicles in the overtaking lane travelling at less than the speed limit. You can't pass, but then up behind you comes somebody travelling in excess of the speed limit. Now you're in their way. Then somebody appears behind them travelling far faster than the speed limit...

Missed your post earlier. It happens all the time. But it doesn't require that each car is exceeding the limit by more than the car in front. One car can hold up a bunch of cars that are all travelling at the legal speed, or indeed above that.

visual

DubTony wrote: »

This is interesting. If there are 4 or 5 cars in the overtaking lane and room to move in, (typical of middle lane hoggers here) who's the hogger? Is it just the first car, or is it all of them? The guy in the second car doesn't think it's him as he can't get past the hogger. The guy in the third car wants to get past both of them. The guy in car 4 ... you get the picture.
For me it's the first guy. But a mate says it's all of them.

Its the first car in my view as its not only hogging a lane but being a rolling road block.

If the first car moved over then they could all pass and return to correct lane.

yoshiktk

I don't know about other countries but in Poland even when You learn to drive You can land on motorway, so therefore You can learn the proper behavior on it. I think that could be the reason of so many issues on Irish motorways.
I'm not sure how its now after the change of the exams etc but previously the only thing test would check would be driving in the city which is totally different then driving on motorway. Simple as that, bum someones passes the exam and straight away they can go on motorway without proper basic rules or behaviors over there.

visual

DubTony wrote: »

This is interesting. If there are 4 or 5 cars in the overtaking lane and room to move in, (typical of middle lane hoggers here) who's the hogger? Is it just the first car, or is it all of them? The guy in the second car doesn't think it's him as he can't get past the hogger. The guy in the third car wants to get past both of them. The guy in car 4 ... you get the picture.
For me it's the first guy. But a mate says it's all of them.

Its the first car in my view as its not only hogging a lane but being a rolling road block.

If the first car moved over then they could all pass and return to correct lane.

visual

DubTony wrote: »

This is interesting. If there are 4 or 5 cars in the overtaking lane and room to move in, (typical of middle lane hoggers here) who's the hogger? Is it just the first car, or is it all of them? The guy in the second car doesn't think it's him as he can't get past the hogger. The guy in the third car wants to get past both of them. The guy in car 4 ... you get the picture.
For me it's the first guy. But a mate says it's all of them.

Its the first car in my view as its not only hogging a lane but being a rolling road block.

If the first car moved over then they could all pass and return to correct lane.

DubTony

yoshiktk wrote: »

I don't know about other countries but in Poland even when You learn to drive You can land on motorway, so therefore You can learn the proper behavior on it. I think that could be the reason of so many issues on Irish motorways.

If the standard of instruction doesn't improve it won't make any difference. Just yesterday I found myself behind a learner under instruction. The guy made 2 left turns without indicating. I think his instructor was doing her nails. :rolleyes:

yoshiktk

DubTony wrote: »

If the standard of instruction doesn't improve it won't make any difference. Just yesterday I found myself behind a learner under instruction. The guy made 2 left turns without indicating. I think his instructor was doing her nails. :rolleyes:

Indicators are for tiny man :rolleyes: Real man just go and turn.
The list of sins is to great to repair it in next few years without a massive change in exams etc

blastman

Iwannahurl wrote: »

Is it a uniquely Irish trait to get pissed off when someone flashes you? Period, as they say in the States.

Flashing or horn-blowing, pretty much, yes. I've been in cities that are a constant cacophony of horns (Saigon springs to mind) and no one gets upset. It's just a way of letting people know "I'm here, please bear this in mind before you do anything".

What annoys me here more than the terminally oblivious, is the car you come up behind and have slowed to match speed with that moves over just as you have reached their speed. They're just cnuts!

SpaceTime

Yeah in Ireland and also in Britain blowing the horn is seen as an angry gesture at all times only.

Even a friendly toot to a passer by can result in the car ahead of you reacting by going into a sulk.

Iwannahurl

DubTony wrote: »

If the standard of instruction doesn't improve it won't make any difference. Just yesterday I found myself behind a learner under instruction. The guy made 2 left turns without indicating. I think his instructor was doing her nails. :rolleyes:

I routinely see driving school cars, with the instructor only on board, doing stuff that is either illegal or would fail a learner driver when doing their test. ADI-registered instructors driving up on footpaths to park is a particular bugbear of mine.

Ditto with enforcement, I suggest. I regularly see Garda patrol cars going through roundabouts without indicating, for example, or going way above the speed limit without "blues and twos" on etc.

Iwannahurl

cpoh1 wrote: »

Ive travelled all over the world and genuinely haven't witnessed any sort of aggression or annoyance when flashing someone to move over. In Europe especially it is seen for what it is with no insults associated.

Flashing someone to move over or flashing for any other reason?

Anan1

visual wrote: »

Its the first car in my view as its not only hogging a lane but being a rolling road block.

If the first car moved over then they could all pass and return to correct lane.

Of course the second car is in a better position to encourage the first car to move over than the cars behind, which to my mind makes them part of the problem if they don't.

cpoh1

Iwannahurl wrote: »

Flashing someone to move over or flashing for any other reason?

Depends where, Amsterdam in particular is very open to all kinds of flashing.

Iwannahurl

cpoh1 wrote: »

Ive travelled all over the world and genuinely haven't witnessed any sort of aggression or annoyance when flashing someone to move over. In Europe especially it is seen for what it is with no insults associated.

cpoh1 wrote: »

Depends where, Amsterdam in particular is very open to all kinds of flashing.

True, but are you suggesting that elsewhere in the world motorists only flash their headlights when they want you to move aside so that they can overtake?

dr.fuzzenstein

Iwannahurl wrote: »

Police racing to a genuine emergency taking the time to slow down in order to "hurl abuse"?

You really are a tit and I gladly accept time off for saying this.

Iwannahurl

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

You really are a tit and I gladly accept time off for saying this.

Thanks for the mammary.

Do elaborate though, on the earlier comment regarding an alleged incident where Gardai, supposedly on the way to an emergency, found it necessary to slow down in order to hurl abuse.

RobAMerc wrote: »

I saw some fool on the M50 one day oblivious to the squad car with lights blazing and horn blaring behind her as they tried to get past and she camped out in the outside lane. They undertook her - slowed to hurl abuse out the window and carried on their way to whatever emergency.

The silly cow finally got the message, but what hope for the rest of us till they legalize Bren guns on cars.

timetogo

How hard are these rules to enforce? I see a lot of the behaviour described on this thread pretty much every time I go on our motorways. All it would need is a car or two going up and down a couple of the major the motorways all day pulling people over and giving tickets. It can't be that expensive in the grand scheme of things. It'd probably pay for itself if they were giving out fines.

Iwannahurl

Maybe they just prefer to hurl abuse like some others do?

dr.fuzzenstein

Because they did not have time to pull her over and write her some tickets I guess. You would advocate giving her a medal for slow driving, of course.
Once saw an ambulance held up at a junction because a woman (of course) in a Micra (of course) would not budge from the lights despite ambulance sitting one meter behind her, lights, sirens, horn tooting and flashing at her.
Of course they rolled down the window and called her every name in the book on the way past, people are not robots, they will sometimes give in and call the other person the appropriate names and long may it continue.

Iwannahurl

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Because they did not have time to pull her over and write her some tickets I guess. You would advocate giving her a medal for slow driving, of course.
Once saw an ambulance held up at a junction because a woman (of course) in a Micra (of course) would not budge from the lights despite ambulance sitting one meter behind her, lights, sirens, horn tooting and flashing at her.
Of course they rolled down the window and called her every name in the book on the way past, people are not robots, they will sometimes give in and call the other person the appropriate names and long may it continue.

Hmmm, except seconds count in emergencies. Or so we're told.

If they were rushing to a real emergency, and concentrating on their professional task, I doubt they'd have either the time or the inclination to slow down and hurl abuse at anyone. The incident, if it occurred as described, sounds to me like an idiot driver and obnoxious Garda patrol that deserved each other.

What's wrong with the Garda driver continuing to rush to the alleged emergency without delay, leaving one of his colleagues to note the offender's reg number for later issuing of a Fixed Penalty Notice or whatever?

creedp

Iwannahurl wrote: »

Hmmm, except seconds count in emergencies. Or so we're told.

If they were rushing to a real emergency, and concentrating on their professional task, I doubt they'd have time to hurl abuse at anyone. The incident, if it occurred as described, sounds to me like an idiot driver and obnoxious Garda patrol that deserved each other.

Don't worry because the driver unecessarily [and illegally] held up the cop car, the person was dead anyway at that stage and the perpertrator had absconded with the booty ........

dr.fuzzenstein

Iwannahurl wrote: »

Hmmm, except seconds count in emergencies. Or so we're told.

If they were rushing to a real emergency, and concentrating on their professional task, I doubt they'd have either the time or the inclination to slow down and hurl abuse at anyone. The incident, if it occurred as described, sounds to me like an idiot driver and obnoxious Garda patrol that deserved each other.

What's wrong with the Garda driver continuing to rush to the alleged emergency without delay, leaving one of his colleagues to note the offender's reg number for later issuing of a Fixed Penalty Notice or whatever?

Maybe the colleague was busy talking on the phone/radio to write down/give out important details?
And they usually get too scuffed up if they jump out whilst driving...

Iwannahurl

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Maybe the colleague was busy talking on the phone/radio to write down/give out important details?
And they usually get too scuffed up if they jump out whilst driving...

Or maybe they just thought hurling abuse was easier, or just more fun, than doing their job by, say, fining a motorist for delaying them while on their way to a real emergency. What about ANPR, btw?

dr.fuzzenstein

Iwannahurl wrote: »

Or maybe they just thought hurling abuse was easier, or just more fun, than doing their job by, say, fining a motorist for delaying them while on their way to a real emergency. What about ANPR, btw?

I don't know about ANPR, this is Ireland, there may as well have been a potato mounted on the dash.
Gards have discretion, they can chose to write you a ticket and they can chose to let you know that you're doing something wrong but not write you a ticket.
I do however think that they do the former not enough, because they'd rather go to Centra than to court.

Valetta

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

I don't know about ANPR, this is Ireland, there may as well have been a potato mounted on the dash..........

I do however think that they do the former not enough, because they'd rather go to Centra than to court.

And you called him a tit? :rolleyes:

RobAMerc

Iwannahurl wrote: »

What's wrong with the Garda driver continuing to rush to the alleged emergency without delay, leaving one of his colleagues to note the offender's reg number for later issuing of a Fixed Penalty Notice or whatever?

Firstly, I said it happened, it happened.
Secondly, if they had to have simply undertook her she would have been oblivious to what she had done and would most probably still be in the outside lane today ( with you and the other retards for company I suspect ).

If a Garda car with lights and sirens didn't get her attention, they had to let her know she was doing something wrong somehow.

visual

RobAMerc wrote: »

Firstly, I said it happened, it happened.
Secondly, if they had to have simply undertook her she would have been oblivious to what she had done and would most probably still be in the outside lane today ( with you and the other retards for company I suspect ).

If a Garda car with lights and sirens didn't get her attention, they had to let her know she was doing something wrong somehow.

If lights and sirens couldn't shift her out of hogging the overtaking lane what hope is there for a regular motorist being able to proceed with a quick flash of the lights.

Its not a uncommon occurrence to see emergency services being delayed by those who just won't give way.

Zubeneschamali

visual wrote: »

If lights and sirens couldn't shift her out of hogging the overtaking lane what hope is there for a regular motorist being able to proceed with a quick flash of the lights.

Well, I sometimes try the quick flash for the people who are just daydreaming, but the really determined fast-lane driver will ignore it, so I just pass on the left.

Oh no! Call the Inquisition!

In other news, i just got a nice letter from the RSA telling me that my only points ever have expired, and I am back to zero.

visual

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Well, I sometimes try the quick flash for the people who are just daydreaming, but the really determined fast-lane driver will ignore it, so I just pass on the left.

Oh no! Call the Inquisition!

In other news, i just got a nice letter from the RSA telling me that my only points ever have expired, and I am back to zero.

Good news on the points back to zero.

wexie

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Well, I sometimes try the quick flash for the people who are just daydreaming, but the really determined fast-lane driver will ignore it, so I just pass on the left.

My feelings exactly, I really much prefer not to have to deal with the aggravation. If they really don't want to move I'll zip past them on the left and be on my merry way.

Way I see it sooner or later someone will deal with the lanehoggers, usually some lunatic in an Audi or BMW who must be terribly late for a meeting who will make it abundantly clear (hopefully) that the outside (not I didn't say fast) lane of the motorway is not the best place to be applying makeup, talking on the phone, having a quick **** or contemplating your sins.

flutered

a whle back i was trying to park in the square mitchelstown, there was a woman, i cannot use the word lady, behind the wheel of a seven seater, parked along the enterencee to two disabled parking spaces, she had a fone to her ear, after a few minutes i bipped the horn, she moved i then parked, about five minutes later there was a banging on the window, then a tirade, then a demand to view my blue badge, while this was going on i looked in the rear view mirror, only to see her car parked behind mine, on the road at the exit from the side road to the main road, what a female.

wexie

flutered wrote: »

... what a female.

I think in cases like this it's perfectly acceptable to use the word bitch....

(few things piss me off more in inconsiderate parking than parking in disabled spaces, in Holland you'll get double the usual fine, they should bring that in here. Or perhaps you could get some of these )

Bohrio

Iwannahurl wrote: »

Does this scenario seem plausible? You're driving on a motorway at or just below the speed limit. There is traffic up ahead moving at a slower speed so you move to the overtaking lane. Unfortunately up ahead you find three or four more vehicles in the overtaking lane travelling at less than the speed limit. You can't pass, but then up behind you comes somebody travelling in excess of the speed limit. Now you're in their way. Then somebody appears behind them travelling far faster than the speed limit...

The scenario is quite common, 2 or 3 cars in front of you in the overtaking lane (lets say they are doing 100), they are overtaking another vehicle/s (he is doing 80). I encounter these vehicle while I was travelling at a higher speed, I wait behind them at a safety distance waiting for them to finish overtaking so you can overtake them all. While this happens another vehicle approaches from behind (eg doing 120), instead of waiting he decides to stick his nose up my tail (or flashing doesnt matter) despite I have 4 cars in front of me.

This has never happened to you? odd I get it all the time, normally I ignore them as I ignore most of these drivers

Renegade Mechanic

Just read the argument back there. If someone is rushing to an emergency and is held up for, say, an entire minute by a clueless/ ignorant driver then they are more than entitled to spend 1/60th of that time telling the cause of their delay what a tool they are.

Jesus.

Bohrio wrote: »

The scenario is quite common, 2 or 3 cars in front of you in the overtaking lane (lets say they are doing 100), they are overtaking another vehicle/s (he is doing 80). I encounter these vehicle while I was travelling at a higher speed, I wait behind them at a safety distance waiting for them to finish overtaking so you can overtake them all. While this happens another vehicle approaches from behind (eg doing 120), instead of waiting he decides to stick his nose up my tail (or flashing doesnt matter) despite I have 4 cars in front of me.

This has never happened to you? odd I get it all the time, normally I ignore them as I ignore most of these drivers

Absolutely mate, I get that regularly as well.

Overtaking a line of traffic on a Motorway but there's a wee line in the overtaking lane too as the front guy isn't going much faster than the cars he's overtaking (which in itself is no major problem). So not wanting to tailgate, I keep a small bit back from the vehicle in front of me but next thing I know, there's someone sitting on my back bumper who obviously thinks its me holding things up and that I should either move out of his way or move right up behind the car in front.

It can be quite irritating at times!

whiterebel

All these stories of loonies inspired me to remember one of my more interesting experiences.
Back in 97 I had a Peugeot Partner van, and had gone on a job to Dublin. Coming back down to Cork next morning, I noticed a Micra sitting in the overtaking lane, pulling in to the left when there was no one around, then seeming to go back out into the overtaking lane when a car came up behind. She did this to a 5 series who was really travelling, forcing him to slow right down. Then lights flashed, eventually horns beeped and the bimmer undertook. Now I could see the handshaking and gesticulations going on in the Micra, thinking "what a looney...."
Anyway this continued on, more of the same, but it never got too far ahead of me as it would slow right down at times. Outside Kildare Town or Monasterevin or one of those places, there was a particularly bad couple of miles of road coming up, maybe up to the Laois border? Anyway, sh*t or bust, the Micra is in front of me all sedate (But I didn't know how long that would last), so I go for it. It wasn't the best place to overtake, solid white line, but just enough view to make sure it was clear. Anyway, bitch speeded up to match me, and I'm bricking it. I look left and see a woman, blondish hair and glasses, screaming like a f**king maniac at me, waving the fist, literally purple with rage. I got such a shock I literally planted the right boot and tore off down the road away from her. It was either that, or literally pull in for half an hour to let her get far ahead, and I needed to get home.

Anyway, move on 5/6 years, and myself and my beloved are behind a newish Micra, coming out from Limerick, at the new stretch of road, approaching Patrickswell. Micra is pulling out to the white line when cars overtake, speeding up to match them, fists going like fiddlers elbow.
I start to recount the previous experience in Kildare to the beloved, and this Micra is really behaving nuttier than squirrel sh*t ahead. Again, you were coming into a narrow road then, no passing for miles, so off I went, lovely 2L petrol Laguna, started to move past the Micra and bitch speeds up again. Just as we were level my girlfriend turns to look at your wan, and says to me: "Did you say mousey blonde hair, and glasses?"
Well f*ck me, I looked across too and it was the same bloody loonbag from Kildare. I kid you not. Floored it to get past her and home. GF was stunned, especially as I had just told her the story about 5 minutes before i passed the Micra squirrel.......

kilclon

I don't think the point about people flashing others who are speeding vs. those who flash to allow them pass is completely moot. In theory both speeding and lane hogging are likely to increase the chances of an accident. So if one is concerned with decreasing the likelihood of an accident, a flash would be warranted in both cases.

However, attempting to regulate another persons speed by driving in front of them at a pace that you consider appropriate is likely to result in a more dangerous situation (e.g. undertaking, road rage...) than allowing that person to continue driving at a speed which you consider inappropriate. So if safer roads are your goal, simply move over.

While on the subject of undertaking, is it always illegal or what exactly is undertaking? Does it have to involve a change of lanes or does maintaining your speed and passing a slower moving car to your right also count. Like if you are in the left hand land driving at 100 and some goon is stuck in the middle lane doing 90 with no other traffic on the road. Can you simply continue on and pass him on the inside? I suspect you can but just want to be sure.

visual

The rules of the road is based on driving on the left.
So undertaking even below the limit is still undertaking. Two wrongs dont make it right.
You have a better chance of being pulled over undertaking than hogging a lane.

kilclon

So if you are driving at 100 in the left lane and guy in the middle lane is doing 90, you have to slow down to 90 when you get along side him but are not allowed to pass? Unless you cross over to the 2nd overtaking lane of course.

AugustusMinimus

visual wrote: »

The rules of the road is based on driving on the left.
So undertaking even below the limit is still undertaking. Two wrongs dont make it right.
You have a better chance of being pulled over undertaking than hogging a lane.

What's your opinion if you are in lane 1, lane 2 is empty and the hogger is doing 90kph in lane 3 ?

AugustusMinimus

whiterebel wrote: »

All these stories of loonies inspired me to remember one of my more interesting experiences.
Back in 97 I had a Peugeot Partner van, and had gone on a job to Dublin. Coming back down to Cork next morning, I noticed a Micra sitting in the overtaking lane, pulling in to the left when there was no one around, then seeming to go back out into the overtaking lane when a car came up behind. She did this to a 5 series who was really travelling, forcing him to slow right down. Then lights flashed, eventually horns beeped and the bimmer undertook. Now I could see the handshaking and gesticulations going on in the Micra, thinking "what a looney...."
Anyway this continued on, more of the same, but it never got too far ahead of me as it would slow right down at times. Outside Kildare Town or Monasterevin or one of those places, there was a particularly bad couple of miles of road coming up, maybe up to the Laois border? Anyway, sh*t or bust, the Micra is in front of me all sedate (But I didn't know how long that would last), so I go for it. It wasn't the best place to overtake, solid white line, but just enough view to make sure it was clear. Anyway, bitch speeded up to match me, and I'm bricking it. I look left and see a woman, blondish hair and glasses, screaming like a f**king maniac at me, waving the fist, literally purple with rage. I got such a shock I literally planted the right boot and tore off down the road away from her. It was either that, or literally pull in for half an hour to let her get far ahead, and I needed to get home.

Anyway, move on 5/6 years, and myself and my beloved are behind a newish Micra, coming out from Limerick, at the new stretch of road, approaching Patrickswell. Micra is pulling out to the white line when cars overtake, speeding up to match them, fists going like fiddlers elbow.
I start to recount the previous experience in Kildare to the beloved, and this Micra is really behaving nuttier than squirrel sh*t ahead. Again, you were coming into a narrow road then, no passing for miles, so off I went, lovely 2L petrol Laguna, started to move past the Micra and bitch speeds up again. Just as we were level my girlfriend turns to look at your wan, and says to me: "Did you say mousey blonde hair, and glasses?"
Well f*ck me, I looked across too and it was the same bloody loonbag from Kildare. I kid you not. Floored it to get past her and home. GF was stunned, especially as I had just told her the story about 5 minutes before i passed the Micra squirrel.......

Did you get the number plate. I'd be ringing the nearest station with the number plate if I were you.

kilclon

Taken from another thread.


Article 10 Road Traffic (Traffic and Parking) Regulations 1997
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1997/...zsi182y1997a10

10. (1) A driver shall not overtake, or attempt to overtake, if to do so would endanger, or cause inconvenience to, any other person.


(2) A driver shall not overtake, or attempt to overtake, unless the roadway ahead of the driver—


( a ) is free from approaching traffic, pedestrians and any obstruction, and


( b ) is sufficiently long and wide to permit the overtaking to be completed without danger or inconvenience to other traffic or pedestrians.


(3) A driver shall not overtake, or attempt to overtake, on a stretch of roadway on which traffic sign number RUS 014 [no overtaking] has been provided.


(4) Subject to the provisions of sub-article (5), a driver shall overtake on the right and shall not move in towards the left until it is safe to do so.


(5) A driver may only overtake on the left—


( a ) where the driver of the vehicle about to be overtaken has signalled an intention to turn to the right and the driver of the overtaking vehicle intends, after overtaking, to go straight ahead or to turn to the left,


( b ) where the driver of the overtaking vehicle intends, after overtaking, to turn left at the next road junction and has signalled this intention,


( c ) in slow moving traffic, when vehicles in the traffic lane on the driver's right are moving more slowly than the overtaking vehicle.





Part c immediately above seems to answer my question. Thanks

glynf

I was behind an unmarked cop car (black corolla), sitting in the outside overtaking lane all the way from Tallaght to Bray earlier on. 105-115 Kph all the way. Then he cuts across the left hand lane, and across a solid white to take the Bray north off slip. So much for the law giving a damn. Granted they're not traffic cops, but still an attempt at lane discipline would be expected from them..

Funny thing was some guy in an A4 went flying up behind him & tailgated before he realised it was the shades, wasn't long backing off when he realised

visual

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

What's your opinion if you are in lane 1, lane 2 is empty and the hogger is doing 90kph in lane 3 ?

I pull out into lane 3 and flash the numpit until they move over.

It will piss them off to no end.
I can understand someone who would want to avoid this conflict just staying in lane one and undertaking.

If I was a Garda I would pull in the lane hogger but im not and I've seen garda more interested in undertaking than driving in wrong lane.

Anan1

glynf wrote: »

I was behind an unmarked cop car (black corolla), sitting in the outside overtaking lane all the way from Tallaght to Bray earlier on. 105-115 Kph all the way. Then he cuts across the left hand lane, and across a solid white to take the Bray north off slip. So much for the law giving a damn. Granted they're not traffic cops, but still an attempt at lane discipline would be expected from them..

Funny thing was some guy in an A4 went flying up behind him & tailgated before he realised it was the shades, wasn't long backing off when he realised

A video up on YouTube might shame them into an attempt at proper driving.

Jesus.

kilclon wrote: »

So if you are driving at 100 in the left lane and guy in the middle lane is doing 90, you have to slow down to 90 when you get along side him but are not allowed to pass? Unless you cross over to the 2nd overtaking lane of course.

I really don't care if its illegal or not and if I get pulled by the Cops, so be it.

I'm fed up with people sitting in an overtaking lane doing 50 mph. If I'm in the driving lane doing 60, I just continue on my way. I'm not going to slow down and pull in behind him in the hope that he might notice me and move over.

(Cue all the lectures from the perfect driving brigade )

glynf

Same as that I tend to undertake them if they don't move, unless its a cop that's hogging the lane

Its frustrating sitting behind some f*cking clown that's oblivious to other road users or feels its their duty to dictate the speed others, undertake them and forget them.

Anan1

Jesus. wrote: »

I really don't care if its illegal or not and if I get pulled by the Cops, so be it.

I'm fed up with people sitting in an overtaking lane doing 50 mph. If I'm in the driving lane doing 60, I just continue on my way. I'm not going to slow down and pull in behind him in the hope that he might notice me and move over.

(Cue all the lectures from the perfect driving brigade )

Have you ever had one of those clowns pick the moment when you're undertaking to move left? I have, and it's not pretty. If you're going to undertake then use the horn to make sure that they know that you're there.

wexie

Jesus. wrote: »

I'm fed up with people sitting in an overtaking lane doing 50 mph.

I always wonder if these are the same people that don't seem to realise that it is indeed okay to go past a speedcamera or garda car doing the speed limit (or a bit less).

absolutely no need to slow down to 60 when you see a speed camera or garda car:mad: Nobody in the history of driving has EVER been done for doing the speed limit (circumstances allowing yadayadayada) :mad:

yoshiktk

Anan1 wrote: »

Have you ever had one of those clowns pick the moment when you're undertaking to move left? I have, and it's not pretty. If you're going to undertake then use the horn to make sure that they know that you're there.

Yeap, cause mirrors only work on right side of the car....