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A minor rant amongst friends.
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Absolutely no RB dog should be allowed to charge, they should be leashed and muzzled. That's why the law is there. Because there are responsible owners who follow the law when it comes to their rb dog.
Maybe if there was no law, we would be discussing being chased by gsds or rotties whatever.
Maybe if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle. You seem to have a bee in your bonnet about RB dogs, so I'll say it again, NO dog, big or small, should be allowed charge up to owners or their dogs.
Pucamama, my OP discussed my own experience. In my experience is it generally ( but not always) small dogs that are allowed- or certainly are given a lot of leeway– to behave badly when out.
This is not a slur on small dogs, but rather a considered ponderation that small dog owners don't seem to take it as seriously when their dogs misbehave, possibly because of size or ability to cause physical damage.
I think the onus is on EVERY owner to take responsibility for their dog when out in the public, I think people should be able to walk, either alone, or with their dog, unbothered by uncontrolled dogs fo any breed/size. I think not enough people put the time- and effort- into instilling a solid recall. Certainly the man in my OP had not, and seemed to be very blase about the idea that his dog should come when called
I'm sorry if JRTS seem to be getting the most chat, but like TooManyDogs said, JRTs are smashing dogs in the right hands ( Hey! like GSDs and Rotties and Staffies
) but in the wrong hands they are not and people have noticed this. 0 -
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The discussion is really about whether there's a different attitude held by many owners of small dogs that nothing their dog does wrong matters because he's just little and can't do much damage anyway. :
+1 My dog has lots of small dog buddies including 'Wee Jock' the JRT
who have responsible owners who bothered training and socializing them. My gripe is with owners who don't bother/are lax because they don't think they need to put in the same effort since their dog is small.
While I'm ranting I always take 'a big dog ran up to my little dog' with a pinch of salt because I find that slacker owners aren't clued in about dog body language/play and often misread a situation.0 -
I think most people are doing just that. The discussion is really about whether there's a different attitude held by many owners of small dogs that nothing their dog does wrong matters because he's just little and can't do much damage anyway. Jack russells can be great dogs, I think they're one of the most neglected breeds and many owners don't bother to do anything with them but let them roam the road. I've known so many that have been run over :mad:
Even though I am absolutely a 'jack person', I have to agree with this. I posted earlier about encountering large breed dogs who run at my jacks often causing injuries and how frequently I encounter them, but the dogs I encounter who are openly and threateningly aggressive tend to be jacks.
There are three jacks living in housing close to the soccer pitches where I allow my JRTs some off leash/recall training time and, although this may happen only once a month, we have been charged by snarling, almost feral, jacks who - were I not familiar with the breed - would scare even me.
Of course, my 3 'have' to stand their ground and face them off and on a few occasions a serious set-to was avoided only because my 3 came back to me (I did leave a few roars out of me calling them to heel
). Now, when I hear the song of the feral jacks I change route immediately and make sure I have the full attention of my own jacks by brandishing the treat bag.
It's a real shame that clueless owners are allowing jacks to get a bad name. Way back in 1996 when I was looking to get a dog my OH insisted on a jrt and I wasn't convinced as I too thought yappy, snappy little feckers. We did get a jack and she was the most wonderful, patient (even with small children whose parent's didn't have the sense to tell their little darlings to stop trying to poke the little doggy in the eyes :mad:) who we adored so much that we brought her to Australia and back as she was family - and family means no one gets left behind. :P
She died last September aged 16 and I miss her every day.
Jacks are the most wonderful dogs but require a firm, consistent hand and proper socialisation is vital. The are very intelligent and if they are not mentally, as well as physically, stimulated get bored and this boredom leads to destructive and 'anti-social' beheaviour.
But a jrt who is loved, stimulated, exercised and a member of the family will be the most loyal, loving and obedient companion for many, many years.0 -
I wonder could it be down to other people's interaction with small dogs, not necessarily the owner?
I have a nearly 4 year old King Charles Cav, been training her from the start, and she's very good when I'm around. The problem is family members and visitors who are not bothered to respect the training I've put in.
I'm always asking people not to be encouraging her to jump up on them when they come home but they go as far as patting their legs, actively encouraging it. If she does something bold they try to get her to stop by yelling her name, expecting her to understand, instead of the words I've trained her to recognize, like leave or drop or even just no. At my girlfriend's house her dad insists on bringing her into the kitchen to feed her from the table, saying that dogs need to be able to do that when I ask him not to do it. Any attempt by me asking them not to do something with her they take as me trying to tell them what to do.
The bigger problem is training the people not the dog.
Other people see smaller dogs as cute and unthreatening, so they actively encourage bad behavior because its cute (and bias aside, my dog is particularly cute) or they can handle it cause the dog's so small and they don't want to upset the dog. I can't imagine anyone encouraging a GSD to jump up on them and strangers might be a bit wary around them so they don't encourage the bad behavior. 0 -
TheChizler wrote: »I wonder could it be down to other people's interaction with small dogs, not necessarily the owner?
I have a nearly 4 year old King Charles Cav, been training her from the start, and she's very good when I'm around. The problem is family members and visitors who are not bothered to respect the training I've put in.
I'm always asking people not to be encouraging her to jump up on them when they come home but they go as far as patting their legs, actively encouraging it. If she does something bold they try to get her to stop by yelling her name, expecting her to understand, instead of the words I've trained her to recognize, like leave or drop or even just no. At my girlfriend's house her dad insists on bringing her into the kitchen to feed her from the table, saying that dogs need to be able to do that when I ask him not to do it. Any attempt by me asking them not to do something with her they take as me trying to tell them what to do.
The bigger problem is training the people not the dog.
Other people see smaller dogs as cute and unthreatening, so they actively encourage bad behavior because its cute (and bias aside, my dog is particularly cute) or they can handle it cause the dog's so small and they don't want to upset the dog. I can't imagine anyone encouraging a GSD to jump up on them and strangers might be a bit wary around them so they don't encourage the bad behavior.
Let's just say that current OH has just started a 'doggy' obedience course as she (OH) was awful at being consistent and spoiled 'her' one of our 3 rotten ('oh Dolly you got out of bed/twitched an ear/looked at me -here is a treat') and when we do have 'flare-ups' of jack yapping/jumping/ running wild running free refusing to answer recall it is always instigated by Dolly. OH isn't too bad with the other two but I think that is because they are both rescue and had some issues which needed to be dealt with urgently so OH was willing to step back and follow my training regime. But with Dolly - as soon as OH gets home from work - it's spoil Dolly time and then the other's think it's a free for all.
I am hopeful the cost of the course OH is now on focuses her mind.0 -
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People are generally blaming the owner instead of the dog, I cut out a few posts.....Can they not blame the owners instead of the dogs same as they do with rb dogs.TooManyDogs wrote: »I think JRTs come up more often because were bred to be fearless and active but are all too often owned by people wanting a 'house' dog and are under trained, under socialised and very under exercised.I have had a number of incidents where people see him flipping out while on his lead, and still let their dogs run up to him. Such owners have even laughed in these situations.Big dogs do more damage when they attack, but small dogs seem to be worse for aggression in general. I have a theory that it's down to both breeding and socialisation: A terrier is bred to go to earth and face unknown peril with animals which may be much larger than it, so a tendency for fearlessness (or rather, fear aggression) was bred in. Today many dogs are undersocialised and therefore become afraid of other dogs, but terriers have been bred to attack things they're afraid of which can make them more likely to be aggressive to other dogs.Pumpkinseeds wrote: »I see a lady near me walking her german shepherd every morning and evening. Her dog is always on a leash as it's a built up area and it appears very well trained as it walks along not straining on the leash and is very calm etc. I've lost track of the number of times that jack russell type dogs that are allowed to roam have tried to attack her dog and I have seen her have to take her dog home minutes after taking her out because these dogs are running at and barking at her dog in a very aggressive manner.There are 3 separate houses in my estate where, as I walk by, the dogs inside go ballistic. 2 of the dogs are demented collies that I've never seen outside the gates. Sad really. Another house is just 2 small dogs that are extremely yappy. I think it's just a tendency to overlook this kind of behaviour on the owner's part simply because it doesn't look even half as scary as a big dog doing the same kind of thing. Again, absolutely have nothing vs small dogs, moreso their owners0 -
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Well it's the law.
If you want to be a law breaker or condone law breaking that's your choice.
And how exactly would OP's dog being on a lead prevent a small dog approaching it?
As an owner of a small, spoilt dog who is driven demented by her lack of recall and often horribly embarrassed by her antics with large dogs, I can totally see OP's point. My dog would make the RB list if there were tryouts 0 -
OldNotWIse wrote: »And how exactly would OP's dog being on a lead prevent a small dog approaching it?
As an owner of a small, spoilt dog who is driven demented by her lack of recall and often horribly embarrassed by her antics with large dogs, I can totally see OP's point. My dog would make the RB list if there were tryouts
I engage in shameless bribery to get my little darlings to come back.0 -
Bannasidhe wrote: »I engage in shameless bribery to get my little darlings to come back.
Mine just gives me the deaf ear - in fact I remember joking with my OH, "I don't think that's her name...she never answers to it!" 0 -
OldNotWIse wrote: »Mine just gives me the deaf ear - in fact I remember joking with my OH, "I don't think that's her name...she never answers to it!"
You obviously need to spend more time training your dog.
Some of they guys here are great for advice. Some... Not all. Maybe you should ask for some help in another thread0 -
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