Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 2013- Mod Warning Post #1

seananigans

PTH2009 wrote: »

Disaster to lose Sok and Shane Walsh if true about there injurys

Hopefully the lads will be back in time for the qualifiers

Doubt it was SOKY , he is in the middle of exams

https://twitter.com/sok91/statuses/466136657503481856

P.S. yes I was the one who replied

Mountainlad

PTH2009 wrote: »

Disaster to lose Sok and Shane Walsh if true about there injurys

Hopefully the lads will be back in time for the qualifiers

Not even certain who won the game so I'd hold off on those concerns for the minute.

The blue blaa

Mountainlad wrote: »

Not even certain who won the game so I'd hold off on those concerns for the minute.

Tipp were missin noel mcgrath bonner an Pauric maher not sure of score

Sok
Coghlan lawlor connors
tadgh moran nagle
Brick eddie Barrett
Jake paudie ray barry
Brian sull- An other- breathnach

there's my team for Cork game I'm confident 1 - 9 is lining out like that

Mountainlad

The blue blaa wrote: »

Tipp were missin noel mcgrath bonner an Pauric maher not sure of score

Sok
Coghlan lawlor connors
tadgh moran nagle
Brick eddie Barrett
Jake paudie ray barry
Brian sull- An other- breathnach

there's my team for Cork game I'm confident 1 - 9 is lining out like that

No Shane Fives?

Deise Doodler

The blue blaa wrote: »

Tipp were missin noel mcgrath bonner an Pauric maher not sure of score

Sok
Coghlan lawlor connors
tadgh moran nagle
Brick eddie Barrett
Jake paudie ray barry
Brian sull- An other- breathnach

there's my team for Cork game I'm confident 1 - 9 is lining out like that

Ray Barry is injured, Breathnach has seen little if any game time and I rekon at least one if not both of the fives will be in the mix,

The blue blaa

Mountainlad wrote: »

No Shane Fives?

Nope unfortunately. First thing I said meself lad

The blue blaa

Deise Doodler wrote: »

Ray Barry is injured, Breathnach has seen little if any game time and I rekon at least one if not both of the fives will be in the mix,

Breathnach im told done well last nite scoring 1-3. Ray Barry is available but again I wasnt there so who knows men. Daragh not fit and Shane is unlucky that others goin well who knows

Mountainlad

The blue blaa wrote: »

Breathnach im told done well last nite scoring 1-3. Ray Barry is available but again I wasnt there so who knows men. Daragh not fit and Shane is unlucky that others goin well who knows

Why would Fives fall out of favour completely though after starting every single game, would say he finished em all too? Surely hed at least be starting, even if not at full?

Ballyvoile Boy

The blue blaa wrote: »

Tipp were missin noel mcgrath bonner an Pauric maher not sure of score

Sok
Coghlan lawlor connors
tadgh moran nagle
Brick eddie Barrett
Jake paudie ray barry
Brian sull- An other- breathnach

there's my team for Cork game I'm confident 1 - 9 is lining out like that

Pretty close to what I'm guessing, although Barry Coughlan or Paidi Prendergast could see action at corner back. Colin Dunford was very impressive against a weak Offaly, but I don't know if he played against Tipp? It would be a fair step up in the physicality stakes. If Donie Breathnach got 1-3, then that's impressive enough against Tipp, even if they had 3 missing and should definitely be the beneficiary of the ill wind that is befalling our forwards. I have also heard that Shane Walsh is injured and won't be ready to face Cork. I'm making the big presumption above that Darragh Fives would be ready to face Cork, but maybe others know better? My guesses on it:

Sok
S Fives L Lawlor N Connors
J Nagle K Moran De Búrca
Brick W Eddie Barrett
Jake D Pauric M Darragh Fives
Brian O' S Seamus P D Breathnach

The thinking on playing Brick midfield I'm guessing, is to do with Nash's puckouts. He would never put one down on top of Brick, as he would know the likelihood that it would be caught cleanly. I'm feeling a lot more confident now than I was a few weeks ago and I'm looking forward to heading up to Thurles for the first time since KK last year I think!!

robopaddy

The blue blaa wrote: »

Tipp were missin noel mcgrath bonner an Pauric maher not sure of score

Sok
Coghlan lawlor connors
tadgh moran nagle
Brick eddie Barrett
Jake paudie ray barry
Brian sull- An other- breathnach

there's my team for Cork game I'm confident 1 - 9 is lining out like that

So is that the team that started or just your team?

cul beag

The blue blaa wrote: »

Tipp were missin noel mcgrath bonner an Pauric maher not sure of score

Sok
Coghlan lawlor connors
tadgh moran nagle
Brick eddie Barrett
Jake paudie ray barry
Brian sull- An other- breathnach

there's my team for Cork game I'm confident 1 - 9 is lining out like that

Any reason Shane Fives won't start?

Slobbery

I would play S Fives win back instead of Mahony or corner back, he had a great league When in possession of the ball, but his positioning/ instincts are wrong for a full back and we leaked a few goals because of it. Lawlor protects the house more but is inclined to foul more, still it is better to yield the point.
Shane fives defo in the starting 15 but he is not the answer to full back

brianobarron

Nearly Championship Time Lads.

As we gear up to take on Cork in the first game of the Championship on Sunday 25th May, the Waterford Supporters need to finalise their own preparations in advance of the big game…..

Friends of Waterford Senior Hurlers and the Waterford Supporters Club Dublin are hosting a Social Night in Mulligans of Sandymount, Dublin 4 on Friday, 23rd May from 8.00pm. All Waterford Hurling fans welcome - there's no entrance fee or charge - it's just an opportunity for Waterford fans to meet and discuss the team and the Championship ahead over a drink or two.

We hope to see you all in Mulligans of Sandymount, Friday, 23rd May from 8.00pm for some craic and to start the build up to Championship 2014.

Cake Man

Ballyvoile Boy wrote: »

The thinking on playing Brick midfield I'm guessing, is to do with Nash's puckouts. He would never put one down on top of Brick, as he would know the likelihood that it would be caught cleanly. I'm feeling a lot more confident now than I was a few weeks ago and I'm looking forward to heading up to Thurles for the first time since KK last year I think!!

Nash will be launching high ball down on our full back line with his puck puts so I don't think Cork would have any trouble bypassing our midfield!
Any injury concerns from that challenge the other night? Seems Colin Dunford and Donie Breathnach could see game time in a few weeks.
Any other challenge games lined up between now and then?

hurler on de ditch

robopaddy wrote: »

So is that the team that started or just your team?

unreal he picks a team with 14 men ,jesus christ

Ballyvoile Boy

Cake Man wrote: »

Nash will be launching high ball down on our full back line with his puck puts so I don't think Cork would have any trouble bypassing our midfield!
Any injury concerns from that challenge the other night? Seems Colin Dunford and Donie Breathnach could see game time in a few weeks.
Any other challenge games lined up between now and then?

By that logic, we should put everyone in the full back line so! He wont' keep sending long ball in if the Waterford backs are dominating in the air. If Nash starts to go short, I'm guessing that's where the Brick's experience would come in at midfield. However, you could see Brick going back to CB yet, you can be sure the management will play their cards close to their chests anyway, and proper order. Plenty to look forward to on Sunday week anyway.

Deiseforall

Just wondering what is the story with the Waterford Intermediate team for Sunday week ? Has anyone got an idea as to what kind of a team the Intermediate Management propose to put out ? Any idea of the starting 15 ??

Deise_2012

Brick doesn't have the legs for Midfield anymore, I can't see why they would play him Midfield in the challenge games, so close to Championship

Psychedelic

hurler on de ditch wrote: »

unreal he picks a team with 14 men ,jesus christ

Count again. And that was just someone's team for the cork match anyway, not the team Derek McGrath picked against Tipp.

hurler on de ditch

Psychedelic wrote: »

Count again. And that was just someone's team for the cork match anyway, not the team Derek McGrath picked against Tipp.

an other is not a person ,if your going to pick a team ,pick 15 and name them

Mountainlad

Cake Man wrote: »

Nash will be launching high ball down on our full back line with his puck puts so I don't think Cork would have any trouble bypassing our midfield!
Any injury concerns from that challenge the other night? Seems Colin Dunford and Donie Breathnach could see game time in a few weeks.
Any other challenge games lined up between now and then?

Read and article from Derek McGrath today and he seemed up front enough about injuries. Daniels, O Neill and Philip Mahpny obviously out. Molumphy they just don't know apparently. Darragh Fives he said he isn't sure on. Jamie Barron almost definitely out. He reckons Jake Dillon will make it, though maybe not start and sounds like Maurice hasn't much hope either.

robopaddy

Mountainlad wrote: »

Read and article from Derek McGrath today and he seemed up front enough about injuries. Daniels, O Neill and Philip Mahpny obviously out. Molumphy they just don't know apparently. Darragh Fives he said he isn't sure on. Jamie Barron almost definitely out. He reckons Jake Dillon will make it, though maybe not start and sounds like Maurice hasn't much hope either.

Seen that aswell. To be fair he wasnt making excuses out of it either which is good to see for a change. Hopefully a few young players can seize the opportunity to step up.

robopaddy

Mountainlad wrote: »

Read and article from Derek McGrath today and he seemed up front enough about injuries. Daniels, O Neill and Philip Mahpny obviously out. Molumphy they just don't know apparently. Darragh Fives he said he isn't sure on. Jamie Barron almost definitely out. He reckons Jake Dillon will make it, though maybe not start and sounds like Maurice hasn't much hope either.

Seen that aswell. To be fair he wasnt making excuses out of it either which is good to see for a change. Hopefully a few young players can seize the opportunity to step up.

Twiceasnice97

Mountainlad wrote: »

Read and article from Derek McGrath today and he seemed up front enough about injuries. Daniels, O Neill and Philip Mahpny obviously out. Molumphy they just don't know apparently. Darragh Fives he said he isn't sure on. Jamie Barron almost definitely out. He reckons Jake Dillon will make it, though maybe not start and sounds like Maurice hasn't much hope either.

of that list only molumphy and fives would be anything like a problematic loss

robopaddy

Twiceasnice97 wrote: »

of that list only molumphy and fives would be anything like a problematic loss

Yea who needs dillon and shanahan. Weve forwards coming out our h***s shur

Deise_2012

Twiceasnice97 wrote: »

of that list only molumphy and fives would be anything like a problematic loss

LOL

Mountainlad

Barron the form forward in the club championship, Mahony the form back in the league, and Daniels absence is clearly being felt. Stupid comment

blue note

I sent the list of the 13 or so lads potentially out for the cork game to a friend. Didn't make a difference in his opinion. I'd love to see a team that wouldn't be affected from missing 13 potential starters.

I don't know how you argue with an opinion like that.

Mountainlad

blue note wrote: »

I sent the list of the 13 or so lads potentially out for the cork game to a friend. Didn't make a difference in his opinion. I'd love to see a team that wouldn't be affected from missing 13 potential starters.

I don't know how you argue with an opinion like that.

Might put that theory to test, have a go at manipulating other teams squads in the same way and see what your left with. Would provide interesting reading Id say.

Who was your 13 by the way?

3ships

Heard Big Dan on WLR and he ruled out Maurice, Molumphy, Jamie Barron and Daragh Fives for the Cork game. That's fair enough i'd say with the injuries they have would be too risky to play them and hope to have them ready the next day. Dan also mention Stephen Bennett as being unavailable and SOS (pending appeal) but I don't think anyone expected those two to play.

The positive news is Jake Dillon is going ok and that none of Ritchie Foley, Brian O Halloran, Shane Walsh and Ray Barry were named by the management team this week as being injured. So for those 5 its just a case of match fitness and form.

Mountainlad

3ships wrote: »

Heard Big Dan on WLR and he ruled out Maurice, Molumphy, Jamie Barron and Daragh Fives for the Cork game. That's fair enough i'd say with the injuries they have would be too risky to play them and hope to have them ready the next day. Dan also mention Stephen Bennett as being unavailable and SOS (pending appeal) but I don't think anyone expected those two to play.

The positive news is Jake Dillon is going ok and that none of Ritchie Foley, Brian O Halloran, Shane Walsh and Ray Barry were named by the management team this week as being injured. So for those 5 its just a case of match fitness and form.

O Halloran getting game time would be a huge plus for Waterford, though hell lack match fitness.

Slobbery

Anyone know how Stephen Daniels is recovering from his terrible injury? He was playing excellently during his time in the team, ultra reliable really solid but kinda went under the radar as regards pundits national etc but I think if he can come back he will be a very important player for us

The blue blaa

Slobbery wrote: »

Anyone know how Stephen Daniels is recovering from his terrible injury? He was playing excellently during his time in the team, ultra reliable really solid but kinda went under the radar as regards pundits national etc but I think if he can come back he will be a very important player for us

He might figure in September for dls if there in the mix but realistically he's not back til next season terrible injury to get over but he's workin very hard in his rehab an recovery

cul beag

Any news on the Shane Walsh injury? We definitely could do with him being fit aswell. Looks like Liam Lawlor will be fullback,what are peoples opinions on this?

The blue blaa

cul beag wrote: »

Any news on the Shane Walsh injury? We definitely could do with him being fit aswell. Looks like Liam Lawlor will be fullback,what are peoples opinions on this?

I not sure how Shane Walsh is yet but personally I dont think he will start tbh.
Lawlor is an out & out fullback. Fives is a man can play fullback that's my view on no.3 jersey

robopaddy

cul beag wrote: »

Any news on the Shane Walsh injury? We definitely could do with him being fit aswell. Looks like Liam Lawlor will be fullback,what are peoples opinions on this?

Lawlor has struggled with his knees I beleive with the last few years. He seems to have a wicked job to get fit in time for the championship every year but does a solid enough job when hes in. But at 29 hes not really the long term solution especially given his injury troubles.

Shane Walsh hasnt looked fit in 2 years. He looked like he had the winning of the game against cork for us in the ai quarter final in thurles before being taken off injured. He was out for a long while and hasnt been anywhere near as good since.

cul beag

robopaddy wrote: »

Lawlor has struggled with his knees I beleive with the last few years. He seems to have a wicked job to get fit in time for the championship every year but does a solid enough job when hes in. But at 29 hes not really the long term solution especially given his injury troubles.

Shane Walsh hasnt looked fit in 2 years. He looked like he had the winning of the game against cork for us in the ai quarter final in thurles before being taken off injured. He was out for a long while and hasnt been anywhere near as good since.

I just fear that his lack of pace will cost us in that I can see JBM putting lehane in full forward and leaving space in front of him so to exploit this weakness. A sweeper system would nullify this but are we confident enough to play this type of game?

Mountainlad

cul beag wrote: »

I just fear that his lack of pace will cost us in that I can see JBM putting lehane in full forward and leaving space in front of him so to exploit this weakness. A sweeper system would nullify this but are we confident enough to play this type of game?

Brick always sat deep, which cut the space for the full forward. Couldn't see Moran doing the same, though hed be faster than Brick and Lawlor.

I think if Lehane was on anybody and given space hed cause problems, but he has struggled at full forward when played there. So I reckon Horgan or O Farrell will be in there.

My biggest concern is exploiting the other end of the field. Cadogan could be out, against Tipp they had a very inexperienced full back line and duly let in 3. We have to try and make that Count.

Orizio

Mountainlad wrote: »

Brick always sat deep, which cut the space for the full forward. Couldn't see Moran doing the same, though hed be faster than Brick and Lawlor.

I think if Lehane was on anybody and given space hed cause problems, but he has struggled at full forward when played there. So I reckon Horgan or O Farrell will be in there.

My biggest concern is exploiting the other end of the field. Cadogan could be out, against Tipp they had a very inexperienced full back line and duly let in 3. We have to try and make that Count.

Luke O'Farrell hasn't played hurling this year with a shoulder injury. Horgan will presumably be full.

Waterford cd

cul beag wrote: »

Any news on the Shane Walsh injury? We definitely could do with him being fit aswell. Looks like Liam Lawlor will be fullback,what are peoples opinions on this?

Lawlor will mind the house but I'd play fives there.. Liam will b happy to let His man score 3-4 points but not concede a goal . Can't b like that for inter county fives will fight dogishly for every ball and make it hard

Mountainlad

Waterford cd wrote: »

Lawlor will mind the house but I'd play fives there.. Liam will b happy to let His man score 3-4 points but not concede a goal . Can't b like that for inter county fives will fight dogishly for every ball and make it hard

1 goal equals 3 points. We conceded 13 (was it?) in 3 games. Not blaming Fives as such, but it was obvious even in the Tipp game that we were leaving too much space in behind.

Think Fives has a lot to offer, a great ball player and at bettering his man as you say, but think for now its in the half back line. And the option of playing Fives full back means, you have to start Barry Coughlan, with either himself or Bourke wing back and I can't see that being a better alternative.

cul beag

Mountainlad wrote: »

1 goal equals 3 points. We conceded 13 (was it?) in 3 games. Not blaming Fives as such, but it was obvious even in the Tipp game that we were leaving too much space in behind.

Think Fives has a lot to offer, a great ball player and at bettering his man as you say, but think for now its in the half back line. And the option of playing Fives full back means, you have to start Barry Coughlan, with either himself or Bourke wing back and I can't see that being a better alternative.

I think you will see Shane Fives at wing back and Liam Lawlor at full back. I've a feeling you could see 2 Championship debuts in the forward line. We'll wait and see. I did hear that Padraig Prendergast is flying at the moment and personally I can't for the life of me see how he has fell down the pecking order so much. Correct me if I'm wrong but I can't remember him seeing and league action and with the amount we were conceding I found it peculiar to say the least!

seananigans

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Waterford cd

cul beag wrote: »

I think you will see Shane Fives at wing back and Liam Lawlor at full back. I've a feeling you could see 2 Championship debuts in the forward line. We'll wait and see. I did hear that Padraig Prendergast is flying at the moment and personally I can't for the life of me see how he has fell down the pecking order so much. Correct me if I'm wrong but I can't remember him seeing and league action and with the amount we were conceding I found it peculiar to say the least!

Don't rate coughlan that much to be honest don't think he's up to it,, think Burke will b wing back I think nd as much as I don't think lawlor is up to it either he will be full back

PTH2009

This time next week we will knw what road the seniors are on

Will it be on the way to play clare in munster or a match against a losing Leinster team

With all our injuries and the calibre of our players it's hard to see us beating cork nxt Sunday, hopefully we give them a game

Championship time is an exciting time of year

Deise Doodler

Waterford cd wrote: »

Don't rate coughlan that much to be honest don't think he's up to it,, think Burke will b wing back I think nd as much as I don't think lawlor is up to it either he will be full back

Don't have a problem with Lawlor full back if fit but its not a long term solution , I still think fives is an option in that position with a bit more experience, if Lawlor is full back id like to see back line of fives in the corner with de burke wing back, I would have concerns about Nagle though, as well as he played last year ( and the start of this year) id still feel he's to loose a marker and lacking pace, but if brick is playing mid field it could be a very inexperienced looking half back line with out Nagle,

Been a while since we have had so many positions not nailed down by this time or year,

TGV

Just watched the down tyrone game today on rte player testing it for next few weeks. gaa go long overdue but very happy all the some ...happy also to pay the subscription to be able to watch match in comfort at home.

Horseboxhead

Would not like Liam Lawlor full back, if you have kevin moran centre back, When brick plays centre back in front of Lawlor, he plays it very deep giving him as much cover as he can, and still sometimes it does not work, Kevin Moran plays centre back differently he attacks space and the ball, plus he will make his trademark runs once or twice during the game, and Lawlors legs are not the best of him, I am not a massive fan of Liam at full back, and all this he won't let you down ect, really tells me he's no matter how long he's there a makeshift full back, he won't let you down but to the detriment to your defensive game plan because everyone is trying to cover his space, connors and brick have enough to be doing without having to do two jobs, if you watch Lawlor during a game, he is pulling everybody within earshot right in front of him, Think fives is as good now if not a better option and if he got half the cover Lawlor gets he'll do well, but can see Lawlor starting but don't think Waterford are in a great place, expect Cork by 5.

Deiseforall

Well, if people don't rate Lawlor - who has been the first choice fullback over the last few seasons - who do ye suggest will fill the fullback position for the senior team for the county going forward ??

hardybuck

Deiseforall wrote: »

Well, if people don't rate Lawlor - who has been the first choice fullback over the last few seasons - who do ye suggest will fill the fullback position for the senior team for the county going forward ??

Just because people mightn't rate him doesn't necessarily mean that there is an alternative.

Would he get into the KK full back line for example? Absolutely not, he mightn't make their squad even. That's the benchmark in terms of standards.