Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 2013- Mod Warning Post #1

deisedude

Cake Man wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gut8Dibzd1w&list=PL6558A91C79FEE0C5

What do people think of this "Nash style" penalty/21m free? Good video above where the dangers are outlined, I think a rule has to be implemented to prevent the penalty/free taker from lifting it so far and striking when they're practically on top of the three on the goal line.

Why do I get the feeling Cork will get at least a penalty and 21m free on Sunday, with Nash to step up and do the necessary!?

Someone is going to lose a testicle or die if they dont change the rule. Its ludicrous. The ball should be struck no further than the 21 metre line. If the free takers wants to take it from 30 metres out and fire it forward I think thats fine aslong as connection with the ball doesn't take place ahead of the 21 metre line

Brad1234

What does everyone think of the Intermediate Team.. Personally i think its bang average and a wasted opportunity to look at guys who have potential to make the step up to Senior.. Half the team either aren't good enough or have been seen before to no affect..

deisedude

Brad1234 wrote: »

What does everyone think of the Intermediate Team.. Personally i think its bang average and a wasted opportunity to look at guys who have potential to make the step up to Senior.. Half the team either aren't good enough or have been seen before to no affect..

I think its the right approach giving young fellas a chance. A lot of that team are U21 with a few more seasoned heads thrown in. Sure you could be more competitive playing a lot of more seasoned club hurlers but they are unlikely to make the step up if they are past their mid twenties and haven't got a look in before

The blue blaa

robopaddy wrote: »

Ah remember that alrite was probably half dizzy after too much turkey&ham and red wine up in the corporate box. I'll have a doggy bag sent down to you next time lad

Some fall from grace Robopaddy corporate box in Croker & now the bank balance is denying you a terrace ticket. I'll meet you by the players entrance il even buy ya programme lad and a burger that us peasants would eat lol

hardybuck

Brad1234 wrote: »

What does everyone think of the Intermediate Team.. Personally i think its bang average and a wasted opportunity to look at guys who have potential to make the step up to Senior.. Half the team either aren't good enough or have been seen before to no affect..

The competition probably needs a rebranding. I mean - what does the intermediate championship really mean to people?

It could potentially be turned into a Development Championship, where teams got a few round robin games before semis, final etc. Might give the competition a few more games and a give more opportunities to the players, but could crowd the club competitions I suppose.

Deise_2012

Brad1234 wrote: »

What does everyone think of the Intermediate Team.. Personally i think its bang average and a wasted opportunity to look at guys who have potential to make the step up to Senior.. Half the team either aren't good enough or have been seen before to no affect..

I think it's not a bad team. It's just about attitude. If you ask any defender in Waterford who are the toughest forwards to mark, you'll hear Gavin Crotty and Thomas Ryan. These lads are class on their day, it's just they don't have the commitment for Senior Inter county. It will be a good experience for the u21s Barry, Roche, Harney, Power, O'Brien, Devine, Foran, Donnelly

robopaddy

The blue blaa wrote: »

Some fall from grace Robopaddy corporate box in Croker & now the bank balance is denying you a terrace ticket. I'll meet you by the players entrance il even buy ya programme lad and a burger that us peasants would eat lol

Yea I shouldve tied a knot on it lad. A babog' and another one due in july put a stop to my tracks. Big days out boozin in the square in thurles are long gone lol

slingerz

for those complaining of the dangers of the 'Nash' free, do those dangers not exist when a forward strikes the sliothar for goal from even closer.

Or has Nash some sort of superhuman strength?

robopaddy

hardybuck wrote: »

The competition probably needs a rebranding. I mean - what does the intermediate championship really mean to people?

It could potentially be turned into a Development Championship, where teams got a few round robin games before semis, final etc. Might give the competition a few more games and a give more opportunities to the players, but could crowd the club competitions I suppose.

Agreed. Its kind of hard to know whats the best way to approach it. I think its a good call to go with youth. a lot of the u21 lads are together for a lot of the year with only one championship game to look forward to in july so its good for the lads involved in this game to have this to focus on aswell. Of course you need more experienced lads aswell to stop you from getting slaughtered but the nature of the way the competition is structured, its not really worth going all out to win and better off just use it to blood some younglads

willietherock

slingerz wrote: »

for those complaining of the dangers of the 'Nash' free, do those dangers not exist when a forward strikes the sliothar for goal from even closer.

Or has Nash some sort of superhuman strength?

According to the KK lads its only Nash. When a player from play lets rip close in there is no health and safety issue at all.

hardybuck

slingerz wrote: »

for those complaining of the dangers of the 'Nash' free, do those dangers not exist when a forward strikes the sliothar for goal from even closer.

Or has Nash some sort of superhuman strength?

Well if you want to talk about Nash in particular, yes he has one of the most powerful strikes in the game I think.

I would suggest that when a forward is striking he's more likely to be under pressure, not using a huge goalkeeper hurl, and generally won't get as much power into the strike. For a penalty there is also two more men standing on the line, increasing the risk of someone getting hurt.

I would suggest that they didn't come up with the 21m distance for the craic. Where we can take steps to protect player's safety, I suggest we do so.

3ships

For the record the Intermediate team:

WATERFORD
1. Seanie Barry – Lismore
2. Colm Burke – Roanmore
3. Mark Wyse – Passage
4. Shane Roche – Shamrocks
5. Jason Roche – Passage
6. Kieran Power – Clonea
7. Seamus Keating - Ardmore
8. Pa Walsh - Passage
9. Stephen Roche – Mount Sion
10. Killian Fitzgerald – Passage (Captain)
11. Gavin Crotty – Dungarvan
12. Micheal Harney – Bonmahon
13. Tommy Connors - Passage
14. Ryan Donnelly – Dungarvan
15. Thomas Ryan – Tallow

Was expecting a few more U-21 players to start. Think Clare use this competition to good effect in 2012 to bring on their U-21 squad. Although Clare prob had no choice as they won the thing in 2011 and couldn't use those players again. Best of luck to the lads anyway will head up early for a look

Mountainlad

"Between retirements and injury they face Cork in the cauldron of Munster hurling on Sunday with four debutants, stripped of so many of their famous veterans that Derek McGrath might as well be managing a boyband."

Top class journalism...

http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/dan-shanahan-i-do-have-to-control-myself-ive-been-warned-30294789.html

seananigans

Mountainlad wrote: »

"Between retirements and injury they face Cork in the cauldron of Munster hurling on Sunday with four debutants, stripped of so many of their famous veterans that Derek McGrath might as well be managing a boyband."

Top class journalism...

http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/dan-shanahan-i-do-have-to-control-myself-ive-been-warned-30294789.html

It's a funny line and if Clare can win with stephen 1d o'donnell i wouldnt be worried

Mountainlad

seananigans wrote: »

It's a funny line and if Clare can win with stephen 1d o'donnell i wouldnt be worried

I am very worried though, regardless of this article.

culbaire

Mountainlad wrote: »

"Between retirements and injury they face Cork in the cauldron of Munster hurling on Sunday with four debutants, stripped of so many of their famous veterans that Derek McGrath might as well be managing a boyband."

Top class journalism...

http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/dan-shanahan-i-do-have-to-control-myself-ive-been-warned-30294789.html

Derek McGrath and selectors failed to select the best 15 in the county. Every other county has to do without the veterans at some stage. The sad fact is that very few Waterford supporters intend to travel. Many are very unhappy with the team selection.

Deise_2012

The Cork Senior Hurling team to play Waterford on Sunday at 4pm in Thurles will line out as follows:

1. Anthony Nash (Kanturk)
2. Shane O’Neill (Bishopstown)
3. Damien Cahalane (St. Finbarr’s)
4. Stephen McDonnell (Glen Rovers)
5. Christopher Joyce (Na Piarsaigh)
6. Mark Ellis (Millstreet)
7. Lorcan McLoughlin (Kanturk)
8. Daniel Kearney (Sarsfields)
9. Aidan Walsh (Kanturk)
10. Conor Lehane (Midleton)
11. Cian McCarthy (Sarsfields)
12. Patrick Cronin (Bishopstown - Captain)
13. Alan Cadogan (Douglas)
14. Seamus Harnedy (St. Ita’s)
15. Patrick Horgan (Glen Rovers)

Subs
16. Darren McCarthy (Ballymartle)
17. Conor O’Sullivan (Sarsfields)
18. Killian Burke (Midleton)
19. Willian Egan (Kilbrin)
20. Rob O’Shea (Carrigaline)
21. Brian Lawton (Castlemartyr)
22. Bill Cooper (Youghal)
23. Jamie Coughlan (Newtownshandrum)
24. Paudie O’Sullivan (Cloyne)
25. Stephen Moylan (Douglas)
26. Brian Hartnett (Midleton)

Cornerstoner

I must say I'm very worried about this game. The Cork team has been named and it is very strong, and another thing, its balanced. I won't go naming names on this because its unfair on the younger lads but in my book there are at least 5 players starting who I think will be completely out of their depth Sunday and should not be starting, either not good enough or not ready yet.

Next thing is the formation. You can be sure they won't line up that way, over on the cork thread they expect a sweeper with a 2 man full forward line which is what I expect too. I dont like it and I think Cork will be cute enough to navigate it. Again then you have the problem of where the scores are going to come from.

However, the reason we all love sport is because of its unpredictability. I sure as hell hope we get some Sunday!

Mountainlad

Cahalane a novice full back, Ellis a novice inter county hurler. Joyce was terrible at centre back last year, we will see if that was just not his position or whether he's actually cut out for this level this year.

Aidan Walsh is dividing his team, and while undoubtedly a big asset on best form will have questions in that regard. Cian McCarthy would also have question marks over him. The rest of their forward line looks awesome, but at the same time it's not a team that would inspire fear in me were we fully manned and able.

Don't agree with those talking up there bench, Paudi O Sullivan is only just back and I strongly doubt he'll settle straight away. Moylan is no more than an inter county bench player, and Coughlan is extremely light. The rest are at best unproven.

I don't doubt they'll win, but I'm actually a bit surprised thought they'd be stronger.

robopaddy

culbaire wrote: »

Derek McGrath and selectors failed to select the best 15 in the county. Every other county has to do without the veterans at some stage. The sad fact is that very few Waterford supporters intend to travel. Many are very unhappy with the team selection.

I think there are 2 or 3 questionable selections. But in fairness nothing massively outrageous either I wouldnt think it should deter too many supporters. The bigger issue for supporters I think will be the poor performances in the league coupled with all the absentees through injury and suspension.
And then youll have a certain group aswell who wouldnt be happy with the treatment of skully ryan last year either and who are not too interested on following this group after all that went on

robopaddy

Mountainlad wrote: »

Cahalane a novice full back, Ellis a novice inter county hurler. Joyce was terrible at centre back last year, we will see if that was just not his position or whether he's actually cut out for this level this year.

Aidan Walsh is dividing his team, and while undoubtedly a big asset on best form will have questions in that regard. Cian McCarthy would also have question marks over him. The rest of their forward line looks awesome, but at the same time it's not a team that would inspire fear in me were we fully manned and able.

Don't agree with those talking up there bench, Paudi O Sullivan is only just back and I strongly doubt he'll settle straight away. Moylan is no more than an inter county bench player, and Coughlan is extremely light. The rest are at best unproven.

I don't doubt they'll win, but I'm actually a bit surprised thought they'd be stronger.

Im suprised conor o sullivan isnt starting I thought he was near an allstar at corner back last year and starting a rookie in the fb line instead. Maybe all is not lost yet!

seananigans

http://thescore.thejournal.ie/cork-waterford-hurling-1478995-May2014/

Brad1234

Team smells of over confidence to be honest.. But JBM knows more than us I guess

Cahalane good full back but lacks hurling a real man marker. If walsh is fit I think his movement a cuteness is perfect match up. There backs aren't great but I don't know do we have enough to exploit them. There forwards though very impressive. If harnedy is full forward (prob won't) it will be long afternoon

skaface

Not many people giving us much of a chance on Sunday.. Especially within our
own county.. Hopefully the team will prove them wrong ( we always perform well when written off).
Lots of question marks regarding some of
the starting 15. The management will know who is going well and who's not
in training and must be given a chance.
Best of luck to the management and team
on Sunday.. Deise Abu.

Twiceasnice97

Mountainlad wrote: »

Cahalane a novice full back, Ellis a novice inter county hurler. Joyce was terrible at centre back last year, we will see if that was just not his position or whether he's actually cut out for this level this year.

Aidan Walsh is dividing his team, and while undoubtedly a big asset on best form will have questions in that regard. Cian McCarthy would also have question marks over him. The rest of their forward line looks awesome, but at the same time it's not a team that would inspire fear in me were we fully manned and able.

Don't agree with those talking up there bench, Paudi O Sullivan is only just back and I strongly doubt he'll settle straight away. Moylan is no more than an inter county bench player, and Coughlan is extremely light. The rest are at best unproven.

I don't doubt they'll win, but I'm actually a bit surprised thought they'd be stronger.

After pages of sheer cowardice finally someone actually looks behind the red jersey and sees the players in the jerseys.
Cahalane ellis kearney walsh mccarthy harnedy named on paper to mark walsh mahony walsh barrett moran lawlor.
Wtf is there to be afraid of.
the cork half back line that got walked on last year and the two changes are solid run of the mill players. Are they suddenly going to be transformed by some jbm fairy dust.
Cork have some excellent players up front but they have serious issues at the back .
I would fancy cork to win it due to the fire power they have but being worried about the game is mad and feeling that ye cannot win is laughable.

babs123

robopaddy wrote: »

Im suprised conor o sullivan isnt starting I thought he was near an allstar at corner back last year and starting a rookie in the fb line instead. Maybe all is not lost yet!

What pub are you going watching the game in? Hurler on d ditch or should that be stool

premierstone

culbaire wrote: »

Derek McGrath and selectors failed to select the best 15 in the county. Every other county has to do without the veterans at some stage. The sad fact is that very few Waterford supporters intend to travel. Many are very unhappy with the team selection.

If what you say is true then these cannot be described as ''supporters'', not travelling because you don't agree with teh 15 named, come on , if a 12 year old came out with that they would be laughed at.

culbaire

premierstone wrote: »

If what you say is true then these cannot be described as ''supporters'', not travelling because you don't agree with teh 15 named, come on , if a 12 year old came out with that they would be laughed at.

You can laugh all you like at it. Thats how a lot of supporters feel. And they are correct.
This team is not the best 15 available. Some players have been unfairly scapegoated. Others who should have been dropped were not. What is really annoying supporters is that this is a Cork team which could be taken. It is not a patch on the great Cork teams of old. By the way you are forgetting the cost to families.

Deiseforall

Good luck from all in the County to both the Senior and Intermediate teams on Sunday - WE are all behind ye. What a pity there are a few of last year's Minors STILL in Leaving Cert. Intermediate team would have at least 6 more available to them from u21 guys ! ALL of last years MINOR full back team doing der leaving cert and unavailable to Peter Queally. Hopefully we get over the first round and these guys will be available for the SEMI final in 2014 to strengthen d team - for a change !!!!!

tonc76

culbaire wrote: »

You can laugh all you like at it. Thats how a lot of supporters feel. And they are correct.
This team is not the best 15 available. Some players have been unfairly scapegoated. Others who should have been dropped were not. What is really annoying supporters is that this is a Cork team which could be taken. It is not a patch on the great Cork teams of old. By the way you are forgetting the cost to families.

Surely the bolded piece of text would still be the case if Waterford were lining out with 15 all stars on Sunday and as such is irrelevant.

premierstone

culbaire wrote: »

You can laugh all you like at it. Thats how a lot of supporters feel. And they are correct.
This team is not the best 15 available. Some players have been unfairly scapegoated. Others who should have been dropped were not. What is really annoying supporters is that this is a Cork team which could be taken. It is not a patch on the great Cork teams of old. By the way you are forgetting the cost to families.

Rubbish! A genuine supporter supports the team through thick and thin, not when everything is rosy in the garden and you agree 100% with the team selection.

Does Fives, Prendergast and Barry usually pay for families to attend when they are playing, or is that another patethic excuse??

premierstone

Actually Culbaire I just had a read of your previous contributions to this forum and all is clear now! Kind of patethic really to see such blatant club bias ruining a county, ironically you are now doing exactly what you berated others, amonst them John Mullane, for doing to Michael Ryan last year.

babs123

premierstone wrote: »

Actually Culbaire I just had a read of your previous contributions to this forum and all is clear now! Kind of patethic really to see such blatant club bias ruining a county, ironically you are now doing exactly what you berated others, amonst them John Mullane, for doing to Michael Ryan last year.

They are all looking after there own clubs. That's whats wrong with Waterford. There was a great sprinkle of clubs on last years minor team. This year there is not one from mid county. A "john" doesn't count cos they could be from any club. We will see how they go on Sunday but its a building process. You will have the begrudgers whoever has the job. They are the people who will prob not even go to the game . Don't rise to them

conditioned games

premierstone wrote: »

Actually Culbaire I just had a read of your previous contributions to this forum and all is clear now! Kind of patethic really to see such blatant club bias ruining a county, ironically you are now doing exactly what you berated others, amonst them John Mullane, for doing to Michael Ryan last year.

In fairness he is saying what alot of us are thinking and there is blatent favouritism for players Derek knew before he got the job. There are 4 better players sitting on the bench on Sunday than what's starting and for some followers of the county team, whether you call them 'true supports' or not there is less incentive for them to get in a car and make the journey to thurles when this is going on. The last manager didn't have that conflict of interest in manging harty school teams and he always put the best 15 available out so it's a valid point that he raises.

deisedude

I wouldn't miss the game anyway but I do agree McGrath has a bias for picking players he has worked with before

Deise_2012

Are they selling tickets in Super Valu shops?

Slobbery

if people don't travel because they don't agree with the team than they should stay away, its not like every single selection was agreed upon 100% by the supporters down the years :cool:

At this moment Waterford should be happy to be playing Cork more than any other county in Munster. If ever is a case of a team in the long grass this is it, we have had some bad luck this year but Cork are papering over some serious cracks themselves.

Sunday will be a close game, we still have alot of quality. Shane Walsh is a huge addition to the forward line, Pauraic Mahony has finally began to produce ultra reliable free-taking this year, something he should have been doing for years. In all honesty the forward line needed shaking up anyway I know it is more by accident more than design but we are not missing a marquee forward with injuries or anything, I think we could have a real crack at them.

If Patrick Horgan starts Corner well Noelie Connors has always done a great job on him and won an all-star in 2010 on the back of it.

things might have gone tits up in the league but for part of that campaign we showed ourselves to be a very hard working team and with the exception of the kilkenny second half showed great fighting spirit in those games.

If nothing else Sunday will be the first steps to players like Austin Gleeson taking up the mantle on driving Waterford on for the next few years.

Some of these new lads may not have senior championship experience, but unlike many other young players coming on the team in previous years they have big game experience from playing in big games with successful college and underage teams.

The very best of luck to the debutantes on Sunday - hopefully they hurl out of their skins and whatever happens they put in a performance to make us proud in Thurles on Sunday. Up the Deise!

premierstone

conditioned games wrote: »

In fairness he is saying what alot of us are thinking and there is blatent favouritism for players Derek knew before he got the job. There are 4 better players sitting on the bench on Sunday than what's starting and for some followers of the county team, whether you call them 'true supports' or not there is less incentive for them to get in a car and make the journey to thurles when this is going on. The last manager didn't have that conflict of interest in manging harty school teams and he always put the best 15 available out so it's a valid point that he raises.

I understand the problem and fully accept Waterford have certain issues at the moment, but my point being that anyone who takes the action of choosing to not travel to a game as a result of the 15 picked does not resonate with my definition of a supporter, as someone who sat through the Fr. Tom, Babs 2nd era and Ken Hogan reigns of terror I never once even contemplated such a course of action - I maybe being harsh but what is being described is petulant and childish to me and doesn't help anyone, when a team/county is struggling or going through a transition that is when the supporters are needed more than ever.

paddy13

premierstone wrote: »

I understand the problem and fully accept Waterford have certain issues at the moment, but my point being that anyone who takes the action of choosing to not travel to a game as a result of the 15 picked does not resonate with my definition of a supporter, as someone who sat through the Fr. Tom, Babs 2nd era and Ken Hogan reigns of terror I never once even contemplated such a course of action - I maybe being harsh but what is being described is petulant and childish to me and doesn't help anyone, when a team/county is struggling or going through a transition that is when the supporters are needed more than ever.

Very well said I agree with you completely. If your a true supporter it's for life not just the good times!

KevIRL

Meh, it's a couple of keyboard warriors looking for (and getting) attention. Ignore and move along.

PTH2009

nothing beats being in Thurles on Munster championship day. Its one of the highlights of summer

This could be our only trip to Thurles this summer as i think the qualifers are home/away basis

I have my ticket anyway and looking forward to the match. The days of the buses and piss up in the square are gone

deisedude

I'm expecting a very poor crowd. Cork will outnumber us but they rarely bring a big crowd when they are convinced they are going to win

premierstone

deisedude wrote: »

I'm expecting a very poor crowd. Cork will outnumber us but they rarely bring a big crowd when they are convinced they are going to win

Judging by the good quality tickets that are still available I would say it will be very littler over 15K on Sunday.

KevIRL

The last few years opening rounds have been v small crowds v Clare twice and limerick. Will be a few more this year on account of corks size but still a long way from the crowds in the early 2000's.

Really think the Munster council should be encouraging more home/away games and keep the Munster final at semple each year. I love the day out in Thurles as much as the next man but the crowds are speaking for themselves.

If this means Waterford play their 'home' games in Nowlan Park as our current 2 grounds are woefully inadequate then so be it

PTH2009

Waterford will be lucky to get 2000-2500 at the match

One Direction are also playing Croke Park this weekend so many familys could be going to that and also count Communions and confirmations and all that.

KevIRL

PTH2009 wrote: »

Waterford will be lucky to get 2000-2500 at the match

One Direction are also playing Croke Park this weekend so many familys could be going to that and also count Communions and confirmations and all that.

Ah you are way underestimating the Waterford support PTH, not surprising given your pessimistic outlook. Minimum 5k from Waterford but probably closer to 7 or 8

culbaire

premierstone wrote: »

Rubbish! A genuine supporter supports the team through thick and thin, not when everything is rosy in the garden and you agree 100% with the team selection.

Does Fives, Prendergast and Barry usually pay for families to attend when they are playing, or is that another patethic excuse??

What the hell are you on about? Would you care to elaborate? I have no connection with any of the three players named above. Supporters don't like to be taken for fools. Just remember that. I have NEVER got a free pass to any GAA match. I note your location. You are clearly out of touch with the feelings of the majority of Waterford supporters.

Mountainlad

premierstone wrote: »

Judging by the good quality tickets that are still available I would say it will be very littler over 15K on Sunday.

Would those be tickets on Ticketmaster? Was gonna wait until the day but might see what's available now if what you say is true.

tonc76

Mountainlad wrote: »

Would those be tickets on Ticketmaster? Was gonna wait until the day but might see what's available now if what you say is true.

Try www.tickets.ie instead as they don't apply handling charges

tomwaterford

premierstone wrote: »

Rubbish! A genuine supporter supports the team through thick and thin, not when everything is rosy in the garden and you agree 100% with the team selection.

Does Fives, Prendergast and Barry usually pay for families to attend when they are playing, or is that another patethic excuse??

this is true....if people didn't agree with management...very few would ever turn up for Waterford matches ever...t

KevIRL wrote: »

Ah you are way underestimating the Waterford support PTH, not surprising given your pessimistic outlook. Minimum 5k from Waterford but probably closer to 7 or 8

you are fairly on the money...I would be expecting 13K crowd approx....that being said Waterford have a hardcore support who if they were playing in outter mongoalia on xmas eve would make it

that being said I do fear a bit for Waterford sunday...no one can honestly say that they expect Waterford to win tbh!!!
cork are no world beaters...but should beat Waterford by 12+ points....they should have no ambitions for munster championship if they dont