Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 2013- Mod Warning Post #1

PTH2009

Hopefully having the wit lads playing on Thursday won't lose us the match against Laois because they will be all fecked and as McGrath put it on the radio Laois are ahead of us at the moment

Antrim showed there no pushovers almost beating Wexford, Offaly had a good win vs Laois

One alarming thing is that Laois scored 23 points last sat while we scored 22.

Looking forward to the game and hopefully we will be talking about a Waterford victory next week

Mountainlad

PTH2009 wrote: »

Hopefully having the wit lads playing on Thursday won't lose us the match against Laois because they will be all fecked and as McGrath put it on the radio Laois are ahead of us at the moment

Antrim showed there no pushovers almost beating Wexford, Offaly had a good win vs Laois

One alarming thing is that Laois scored 23 points last sat while we scored 22.

Looking forward to the game and hopefully we will be talking about a Waterford victory next week

You're a troll, admit it.

PTH2009

Mountainlad wrote: »

You're a troll, admit it.

No I'm not just a proud Waterford man that worries. I hope we do well next sat but strange things can happen

3ships

One of the positives of Waterford Hurling is the options at Center Back

Brick ...the examiners best CB last 5 years
Gleeson ..same article for the next 5 years

Bourke, Dara Fives, maybe Mahony in between and Moran who a couple of years ago I thought would be massive in that position by now

not a bad 6 for no. 6

culbaire

Mountainlad wrote: »

You're a troll, admit it.

You are quite good a dishing out insults. The poster is entitled to make his/her point whether you like it or not.

Mountainlad

culbaire wrote: »

You are quite good a dishing out insults. The poster is entitled to make his/her point whether you like it or not.

There's only so negative anyone can be. Nobody in the Country thinks we are behind Laois, I'd be interested to hear what he thought he heard Derek McGrath on WLR.

3ships

McGrath said something like .. some of the Laois lads would be ahead of some of our lads in terms of strength and conditioning and that Laois will feel they let themselves down against us last year and also that there isn't much between any of the 1b teams

He may have also said "the reality is..." before all those points

deiseach

Slobbery wrote: »

Ya the number 6 is precious in my eyes...

Many a time I watched fergal Hartley playing club hurling in awe really, you could watch him all day, he was a beautiful hurler

It's as close as you can get to a quarterback or outhalf position as you are going to get in hurling. No matter how grim things got for Waterford hurling - and boy, they got grim - the thought that the universally-acknowledged greatest player in the position came from Waterford made it feel like we still mattered.

ovalu

I'd love to see a half back line of Darragh Fives, Gleeson and Shane Roche, along with a midfield of De Burca and Shane Bennett, I think it would be swashbuckling and fearless, I'd bring Brick back to no 3 to mind the house and have Moran at 11 to win a bit of ball, I can't see Brick becoming a forward at this stage of his career

sizing europe

ovalu wrote: »

I'd love to see a half back line of Darragh Fives, Gleeson and Shane Roche, along with a midfield of De Burca and Shane Bennett, I think it would be swashbuckling and fearless, I'd bring Brick back to no 3 to mind the house and have Moran at 11 to win a bit of ball, I can't see Brick becoming a forward at this stage of his career

too much nonsense in one post to even comment on what you have said there..jesus

sizing europe

ovalu wrote: »

I'd love to see a half back line of Darragh Fives, Gleeson and Shane Roche, along with a midfield of De Burca and Shane Bennett, I think it would be swashbuckling and fearless, I'd bring Brick back to no 3 to mind the house and have Moran at 11 to win a bit of ball, I can't see Brick becoming a forward at this stage of his career

too much nonsense in one post to even comment on what you have said there..jesus sum fellas :O

Slobbery

deiseach wrote: »

It's as close as you can get to a quarterback or outhalf position as you are going to get in hurling. No matter how grim things got for Waterford hurling - and boy, they got grim - the thought that the universally-acknowledged greatest player in the position came from Waterford made it feel like we still mattered.

as you say John Keane was placed there on the team on the millennium... When you think of all the centre backs from the more successful counties he was acknowledged as better than... Coming from an unsuccessful county it shows what an incredible player he must of been.

Slobbery

Mountainlad wrote: »

And even well into his 30s, was frequently the best player on the pitch. Agree on Curran too, was a terrific center back at his peak, definitely better than Brian Hogan who was a fine hurler all the same.


The comment made about Darragh Fives being more of a stopper is crazy too, if fit he's probably the best hurler we have. Wouldn't have him center back long term either, though he's a few years older than those two lads which might be a help against physical center forwards.

But overall, I wasn't that taken by his performances at center back as a minor compared to corner back for the Seniors, and then games where he's been fit since then at wing back (Galway in the league 2013, unreal performance) and midfield (Kilkenny in 2013 probably the glaring example).

Hartley was from another planet, watching the club championship you saw how good he really was right up until the day he gave up... He made guys look like U12s he had some hand on him.

I remember when ballygunnar played newtownshandrum in the Munster final he was superb that day, I loved watching him play I would watch him all day and never get tired of it

Ropaire

I don't get the fascination with having an amazing half back line if the rest of the team isnt up to scratch. We're sorted for half backs, we have been for a decade and more but we're short ball winning and scoring forwards. I'd share the wealth across the field cos some of these lads are needed elsewhere.

Slobbery

Ropaire wrote: »

I don't get the fascination with having an amazing half back line if the rest of the team isnt up to scratch. We're sorted for half backs, we have been for a decade and more but we're short ball winning and scoring forwards. I'd share the wealth across the field cos some of these lads are needed elsewhere.

The half back line is you base, it needs to be the strongest line of the field.

Doesn't matter who you have in the forwards if your half back line are getting beaten and are conceding scores. Also if your half back line is not winning the ball there is no one to feed the ball into the forwards.

Ropaire

Slobbery wrote: »

The half back line is you base, it needs to be the strongest line of the field.

Doesn't matter who you have in the forwards if your half back line are getting beaten and are conceding scores. Also if your half back line is not winning the ball there is no one to feed the ball into the forwards.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but last year we had a solid half back line who hurled an unreal amount of ball that came straight back at them cos ball wasn't sticking further up the pitch. You can't win a hurling match 1-0!

deiseach

I remember Ballygunner were playing Sarsfields in the Munster championship back in the winter of 1997. I hadn't been to many matches in the previous decade so Teddy McCarthy, while well past his prime, was a more (in)famous figure than anyone on Ballygunner's team, Under-21 medals notwithstanding. Anyone, Hartley was cleaning up and Teddy was sent in to show the whelp who was boss. High ball comes in, Teddy charges at it like a mad thing, and Hartley rises with all the effort you might use pick up the tv remote to pluck the ball from his grasp and clears with aplomb. I was sitting in the stand yahooing away and thinking "now THAT'S what I've been looking for all these years!"

And it only got better.

cul beag

I would say there's a few fellas sampling the amber nectar over the last few hours because there's some raving on here!!

stumblingblock

ovalu wrote: »

I'd love to see a half back line of Darragh Fives, Gleeson and Shane Roche, along with a midfield of De Burca and Shane Bennett, I think it would be swashbuckling and fearless, I'd bring Brick back to no 3 to mind the house and have Moran at 11 to win a bit of ball, I can't see Brick becoming a forward at this stage of his career

Shane Roche of shamrocks? Really? Saw him for ucc recently at wing back didn't go too great. Dropped the next game for paudie Prendergast who was outstanding. Roche is well down the pecking order yet imo.

Slobbery

deiseach wrote: »

I remember Ballygunner were playing Sarsfields in the Munster championship back in the winter of 1997. I hadn't been to many matches in the previous decade so Teddy McCarthy, while well past his prime, was a more (in)famous figure than anyone on Ballygunner's team, Under-21 medals notwithstanding. Anyone, Hartley was cleaning up and Teddy was sent in to show the whelp who was boss. High ball comes in, Teddy charges at it like a mad thing, and Hartley rises with all the effort you might use pick up the tv remote to pluck the ball from his grasp and clears with aplomb. I was sitting in the stand yahooing away and thinking "now THAT'S what I've been looking for all these years!"

And it only got better.

That was a time when no waterford team was expected to beat a Cork one.
Albeit SARS were not the cork champions as a divisional team had one that year and they were the club that progressed the furthest so contested the Munster club...
That result made people sit up and take notice and was on the eve of our re emergence on the inter county scene.
That ballygunnar team was the best club side from waterford I have seen

Brad1234

If I were to pick Dillon id play him full forward and nowhere else but you'd need to play a real traditional game to accommodate him.. Similar to Shane Walsh when he played full forward because if you start two man full forward lines and rotation he won't get to the pitch of the ball at all.. Whereas with his game intelligence if you had him full forward working off the shoulder of a full back he could cause damage.

Which basically is a roundabout way of saying (due to nature of how we are playing) I see no place for him in the current set up.. You cannot have Maurice Pauric Dillon and Brick in the forward line its lacks that injection of pace to change a game.. and of the four named Dillon in my eyes is the man to lose out..

deiseach

Slobbery wrote: »

That was a time when no waterford team was expected to beat a Cork one.
Albeit SARS were not the cork champions as a divisional team had one that year and they were the club that progressed the furthest so contested the Munster club...
That result made people sit up and take notice and was on the eve of our re emergence on the inter county scene.
That ballygunnar team was the best club side from waterford I have seen

Would you believe that Ballygunner were the only Waterford club to beat a Cork team up until then? They beat Na Piarsaigh the previous year and Avondhu in 1966. Other than that, the record for Waterford clubs against Cork clubs was P10 W0 D0 L10 (not including one abandoned match). Since and including that win over Na Piarsaigh the record for all Waterford clubs has been P10 W7 D1 L2. It's not all about one club, but that was definitely a tipping point.

Deise189

ovalu wrote: »

I'd love to see a half back line of Darragh Fives, Gleeson and Shane Roche, along with a midfield of De Burca and Shane Bennett, I think it would be swashbuckling and fearless, I'd bring Brick back to no 3 to mind the house and have Moran at 11 to win a bit of ball, I can't see Brick becoming a forward at this stage of his career

I don`t think Shane Roche will ever develop into a starter. I`d love to see Paudie Prender get a run at wing back with Tadgh on the other side and Brick back at number 6 where he belongs IMO. I don`t think he`ll ever make a forward either. Darragh Fives belongs in midfield I think. Great ball winner and can pick off some wonderful scores but not an out and out forward. He could offer plenty of cover in the back too. I`d have Moran midfield with Fives and Shane Bennett either in the half or full forward line but he`s such a versatile player I think he`ll be able to play anywhere when he makes the team properly in a few years

mickotallow

Anyone know the managers for each team this year in Senior hurling?

A number of teams have changed management but haven't heard who's replaced them yet. Only new management I've heard of so far is Ken McGrath in at Mount Sion and Denis Walsh at Ballygunner.

SkipFC

mickotallow wrote: »

Anyone know the managers for each team this year in Senior hurling?

A number of teams have changed management but haven't heard who's replaced them yet. Only new management I've heard of so far is Ken McGrath in at Mount Sion and Denis Walsh at Ballygunner.

Cappoquin got Ger Manley and Paudie O'Brien in from Midleton.

Apparently the Cappoquin chairman and 6 of the players voted to get rid of Fintan Murray, there's talk of his three sons transferring to different clubs in Cork and Limerick.

mickotallow

SkipFC wrote: »

Cappoquin got Ger Manley and Paudie O'Brien in from Midleton.

Apparently the Cappoquin chairman and 6 of the players voted to get rid of Fintan Murray, there's talk of his three sons transferring to different clubs in Cork and Limerick.

Wasn't Fintan Murray gone anyway cos of Waterford? Strange to hear of players looking to leave the club when it's taken them so long to get back to Senior. Not doubting you, i'm just amazed that success always seems to cause spilts in a club.

SkipFC

mickotallow wrote: »

Wasn't Fintan Murray gone anyway cos of Waterford? Strange to hear of players looking to leave the club when it's taken them so long to get back to Senior. Not doubting you, i'm just amazed that success always seems to cause spilts in a club.

You're thinking of Fintan O'Connor

mickotallow

SkipFC wrote: »

You're thinking of Fintan O'Connor

Oh ya. Any idea what the problem was then?

ovalu

Deise189 wrote: »

I don`t think Shane Roche will ever develop into a starter. I`d love to see Paudie Prender get a run at wing back with Tadgh on the other side and Brick back at number 6 where he belongs IMO. I don`t think he`ll ever make a forward either. Darragh Fives belongs in midfield I think. Great ball winner and can pick off some wonderful scores but not an out and out forward. He could offer plenty of cover in the back too. I`d have Moran midfield with Fives and Shane Bennett either in the half or full forward line but he`s such a versatile player I think he`ll be able to play anywhere when he makes the team properly in a few years

I rate Paudie Prender very highly too and I'd say if he got a run in his best position at wing back he'd nail down a place, I just thought that seen Roche is younger than him and was starting ahead of him for UCC until he got injured that he might have passed him out. Reading the posts about the great Fergal Hartley I'm reminded of the madness of 2001 when Fergal was placed at centre forward where he was all at sea, and Peter Queally was centre back in Fergals natural position, we were good enough to win all Ireland's in those years if we hadn't been making crazy selections like that, I think in a few years we'll view the Brick as a forward experiment similarly

Slobbery

SkipFC wrote: »

Cappoquin got Ger Manley and Paudie O'Brien in from Midleton.

Apparently the Cappoquin chairman and 6 of the players voted to get rid of Fintan Murray, there's talk of his three sons transferring to different clubs in Cork and Limerick.

So Cappoquin shot themselves in the foot the minute they get a bit of success.. Get rid of the manager and may lose their best players who happen to be his sons??
Why in hell would they do that? Makes no sense.. How could the success they had evaporate so fast? ... I thought this year would set them up for a long time... Must be a lot of bad eggs there

hurler on de ditch

ovalu wrote: »

I rate Paudie Prender very highly too and I'd say if he got a run in his best position at wing back he'd nail down a place, I just thought that seen Roche is younger than him and was starting ahead of him for UCC until he got injured that he might have passed him out. Reading the posts about the great Fergal Hartley I'm reminded of the madness of 2001 when Fergal was placed at centre forward where he was all at sea, and Peter Queally was centre back in Fergals natural position, we were good enough to win all Ireland's in those years if we hadn't been making crazy selections like that, I think in a few years we'll view the Brick as a forward experiment similarly

and a center back ,,should have stayed at midfield

Mountainlad

Stephen Bennett played the whole game for UL today which I would imagine means he is unlikely to feature too heavily on Saturday.

Only saw the last 15-20 mins but he won a free, took a ridiculous touch to take a ball out of the air and slot it over the bar without a care in the world, and showed another two class touches to win a ball out in front and lay it off to someone running onto it on his left without catching the ball. Hes just a pure hurler.

Giveitfong

ovalu wrote: »

Reading the posts about the great Fergal Hartley I'm reminded of the madness of 2001 when Fergal was placed at centre forward where he was all at sea, and Peter Queally was centre back in Fergals natural position, we were good enough to win all Ireland's in those years if we hadn't been making crazy selections like that, I think in a few years we'll view the Brick as a forward experiment similarly

To make matters worse, Queally was cleaned out by Ollie Moran who single-handedly kept Limerick in the game when Waterford were completely on top in the first half and drove them on when they made their second half comeback. Gerald McCarthy, who was useless on the sideline, never made the obvious move. Tipperary won a very handy All-Ireland that year, and I always felt that Waterford could have gone all the way if they had gotten over Limerick (which they should have).

Cake Man

^^^
That game v Limerick 01 and 07 is talked about too often on here for my liking! Horrible days!

Mountainlad wrote: »

Stephen Bennett played the whole game for UL today which I would imagine means he is unlikely to feature too heavily on Saturday.

Only saw the last 15-20 mins but he won a free, took a ridiculous touch to take a ball out of the air and slot it over the bar without a care in the world, and showed another two class touches to win a ball out in front and lay it off to someone running onto it on his left without catching the ball. Hes just a pure hurler.

Serious player, he's the type that if you're marking him it's a case of damage limitation than anything else. I just hope and pray tho that his hips are fine and don't cause him an early retirement as a FF line of himself and Patrick Curran in the coming years is mouthwatering.
Good that he's getting more and more game time tho, Saturday will be an opportunity for him to get a few scores if he plays any part. The priority will be to have him fully fit and ready for summer.

conditioned games

IT Carlow back in again. Not sure when WIT are playing

KevIRL

conditioned games wrote: »

IT Carlow back in again. Not sure when WIT are playing

Both games due for today have been postponed anyway

stumblingblock

Giveitfong wrote: »

To make matters worse, Queally was cleaned out by Ollie Moran who single-handedly kept Limerick in the game when Waterford were completely on top in the first half and drove them on when they made their second half comeback. Gerald McCarthy, who was useless on the sideline, never made the obvious move. Tipperary won a very handy All-Ireland that year, and I always felt that Waterford could have gone all the way if they had gotten over Limerick (which they should have).

For both those games it was Brian Begley did the damage... In the second half. I'll never forget 01 for as long as I live. We led by 11 points and ended up losing the game. Wasn't that the game both mullane made his championship debut

Deise_2012

Mountainlad wrote: »

Stephen Bennett played the whole game for UL today which I would imagine means he is unlikely to feature too heavily on Saturday.

Only saw the last 15-20 mins but he won a free, took a ridiculous touch to take a ball out of the air and slot it over the bar without a care in the world, and showed another two class touches to win a ball out in front and lay it off to someone running onto it on his left without catching the ball. Hes just a pure hurler.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oleo0Uk2E8M#t=119

1:40

some skill, afterwards he goes straight to doing the stretching for his hip, does he look awkward when running?

Slobbery

stumblingblock wrote: »

For both those games it was Brian Begley did the damage... In the second half. I'll never forget 01 for as long as I live. We led by 11 points and ended up losing the game. Wasn't that the game both mullane made his championship debut

Brendan landers did the damage by batting the ball out to Begley over and over and over again...

Slobbery

Deise_2012 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oleo0Uk2E8M#t=119

1:40

some skill, afterwards he goes straight to doing the stretching for his hip, does he look awkward when running?

He looks fit, he is pure quality. Hopefully we see him fit... Even if he has to be used as an impact sub

Mountainlad

Slobbery wrote: »

He looks fit, he is pure quality. Hopefully we see him fit... Even if he has to be used as an impact sub

He didn't look that fit to me but I only saw the end of it, so quite possible he got tired. Hes a while away from full throttle yet Id say but if they manage him well he could be in good shape come championship and that would be a huge plus.

mickotallow

Anyone know how the Waterford under 21's got on against Passage last night. Saw a team list on Facebook with Seanie Barry at number 10? Surely he wasn't playing outfield.
This is a great idea on behalf of 21 management team.

Slobbery

mickotallow wrote: »

Anyone know how the Waterford under 21's got on against Passage last night. Saw a team list on Facebook with Seanie Barry at number 10? Surely he wasn't playing outfield.
This is a great idea on behalf of 21 management team.

Ya they are playing the 12 senior clubs. Good idea

Deise_2012

mickotallow wrote: »

Anyone know how the Waterford under 21's got on against Passage last night. Saw a team list on Facebook with Seanie Barry at number 10? Surely he wasn't playing outfield.
This is a great idea on behalf of 21 management team.

Waterford U21 v Passage: Barry Chester Tobin Cronin Moran Roche Walshe Donnelly O Brien Kiely Fives Foran J Gleeson C Curran O Sullivan


Park Hotel Under 21 Challenge Full Time Waterford 4-12 Passage 3-9 DJ Foran 3-1 & Jason Gleeson 0-7 made the best of it in atrocious weather

Follow Tomas Mccarthy on twitter, he's very good

Mountainlad

Look up alltheyoungblues, good report on it there.

The blue blaa

mickotallow wrote: »

Anyone know how the Waterford under 21's got on against Passage last night. Saw a team list on Facebook with Seanie Barry at number 10? Surely he wasn't playing outfield.
This is a great idea on behalf of 21 management team.

It was a Great idea from Tony Browne in fairness, if the U21s do get beaten again come championship it wont be from a lack of preparation. Derek Lyons is a good man coupled with the experience of Tony & Mullane they will instill belief.

Fred C Dobbs

stumblingblock wrote: »

He has. And much of it justified after last years shambles. Saturday was a promising step in the right direction. But we'll need to see a few more performances like it for the public to start backing this management team again

Agree that it was a step in the right direction but in fairness, Limerick were missing players due to injury and club tied, although the penalty awards were laughable ; if those defenders were wearing black and Amber jerseys, it would have been lauded as great defending.

Some great individual performances though, especially De Burca and Gleeson - 2 class acts ; Barron, Prender and O'H also very promising. However, the Limerick keeper might as well have not been there for all the action he saw ; that's why we need Gleeson up there, as he has that predatory instinct (plus Stephen Bennett of course).

So a spell in Div 2 (or 1B as its called) will allow W'ford to play attractive, competitive hurling but there's much more needed in order to bring the Liam McCarthy back to Ballybricken !

Mountainlad

No team news due tonight?

IanVW

Mountainlad wrote: »

No team news due tonight?

Unchanged team

archieknox

The same 15 starting was always going to happen but again the favouritism towards Dillon is something only McGrath can explain. He will probably play well against the lesser lights like laois and Antrim but for me he goes missing against the better sides. Shane Bennett at this stage even is a better option and can offer so much more.