Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 2013- Mod Warning Post #1

PTH2009

Are we guranteed a league Quarter final spot or can we still be caught ???

pity we wont be on tv til at least the wexford game (highlights on the following monday night)

Wonder how well the Waterford vs Antrim double bill will do (12.45 NHL, 14.30 NFL) in Walsh Park on the 15 march

archieknox

3ships wrote: »

Thats grand. It's been widely reported he was dropped, then again I've been reading recently that Patrick Curran is on the panel since last year.
Source: Colm Keys of the Indo

Paddy I think isn't making himself available for the seniors he's concentrating on the club and u21 along with the ucc freshers. With the workload involved these days its hard to blame these fellas for making certain decisions about what teams to play for. It is getting more common now of players getting burnout at an early age.

cul beag

Any update on Wayne Hutchinson has he left Ballygunner? Dean Twomey supposed to be going to Canada has anyone heard that? Hard to keep up with all the goings on! The turmoil in Cappoquin doesn't seem to be anyway near a conclusion by all accounts. Pity after having such a successful year.

3ships

cul beag wrote: »

Any update on Wayne Hutchinson has he left Ballygunner? Dean Twomey supposed to be going to Canada has anyone heard that? Hard to keep up with all the goings on! The turmoil in Cappoquin doesn't seem to be anyway near a conclusion by all accounts. Pity after having such a successful year.

Hutchinson gone to St Judes Dublin. Twomey is off to Canada. Cappoquin no idea

3ships

archieknox wrote: »

Paddy I think isn't making himself available for the seniors he's concentrating on the club and u21 along with the ucc freshers. With the workload involved these days its hard to blame these fellas for making certain decisions about what teams to play for. It is getting more common now of players getting burnout at an early age.

Sound. Might a keep an eye on the Freshers matches so. As for Burnout, hopefully the WIT lads and Stephen Bennett get thru this week ok!!

Giveitfong

Fireball07 wrote: »

It's madness in the first place having the semi-final and final played on the same weekend; it's bound to decrease the quality of the game. It's hard enough playing in shítty conditions without being wrecked as well. Why not play some of the games before Christmas?

It wasn't that long ago that the entire Fitzgibbon Cup tournament was played off over a single weekend (quarter finals on Friday, semis on Saturday and final on Sunday). The exchanges in some of these games could be pretty vicious, with referees inclined to leave them at it. It was only a matter of luck which players survived to the final on the the Sunday.

TyrionPower

3ships wrote: »

Hutchinson gone to St Judes Dublin. Twomey is off to Canada. Cappoquin no idea

Hutchinson a loss to ballygunnar, Philip Mahony will slot into no 6... I hurled with a guy from St Jude's.. Some mad man on the field I hope they aren't all like that up there!

TyrionPower

cul beag wrote: »

Any update on Wayne Hutchinson has he left Ballygunner? Dean Twomey supposed to be going to Canada has anyone heard that? Hard to keep up with all the goings on! The turmoil in Cappoquin doesn't seem to be anyway near a conclusion by all accounts. Pity after having such a successful year.

The Cappoquin situation is some farce.. How they could f*ck it up so quickly is a more stunning achievement then anything they did on the field last year.
Their best players the Murrays have left (one on senior panel although that panel may not be finalised yet) but the club are trying to block the transfers. Messy
The other senior clubs will be delighted as they will go straight back down, they spent most of the last 50 years intermediate and that's where they will be staying
The good hurling men up there would want to make a stand for their club - they will be a laughing stock facing lismore.

hardybuck

TyrionPower wrote: »

Hutchinson a loss to ballygunnar, Philip Mahony will slot into no 6... I hurled with a guy from St Jude's.. Some mad man on the field I hope they aren't all like that up there!

They would have plenty of timber on the sidelines in Judes...!

PTH2009

The Offaly match has been moved to sat 7th match

I'd say the Offaly county board done that so that our fitzgibbon cup lads will still be tired, not sure Offaly have any players in the fitz semi finals

TyrionPower

PTH2009 wrote: »

The Offaly match has been moved to sat 7th match

I'd say the Offaly county board done that so that our fitzgibbon cup lads will still be tired, not sure Offaly have any players in the fitz semi finals

Surely they couldn't do that just to suit themselves? Must be another reason

archieknox

TyrionPower wrote: »

The Cappoquin situation is some farce.. How they could f*ck it up so quickly is a more stunning achievement then anything they did on the field last year.
Their best players the Murrays have left (one on senior panel although that panel may not be finalised yet) but the club are trying to block the transfers. Messy
The other senior clubs will be delighted as they will go straight back down, they spent most of the last 50 years intermediate and that's where they will be staying
The good hurling men up there would want to make a stand for their club - they will be a laughing stock facing lismore.

Bit of a mess up there alright. It is a shame,and there in never a good time for a fall out in a club but for it to happen up there now does make there cause alot harder if the transfers do go through. Wouldn't imagine Lismore will be laughing at them as they're not blessed with a world beating team either and given that its a local derby it just might be what Cappoquin need to bond them together. They certainly will be underdogs and will have nothing to lose so I wouldn't be writing them off just yet. Haven't they added a former u21 Wexford player to there squad aswell so maybe he will fill Conor Murray's position at centre back. I think if they do lose this game they will struggle through the rest of the rounds as its hard to see them picking up points from any of the other teams. One thing is certain it definitely will have left a lasting scare up there as everyone seems to be discussing it around west Waterford.

Mountainlad

If that's true what's on the GAAs website, and its 3pm on a Saturday that is some f*ck up.

Mountainlad

1 John Gartland Ardmore
2 Eddie Hayden Ballygunner
3 David Walsh Ballygunner
4 Billy O Keeffe Ballygunner
5 Cormac Curran Brickey Rangers
6 Conor Murray Cappoquin
7 Willie Hahessey Clonea
8 Jason Gleeson Clonea
9 Tom Moran De La Salle
10 Kieran Power Dungarvan
11 Gavin Power Dungarvan
12 Sam O Neil Erins Own
13 Dermot Ryan Fourmilewater
14 Seanie Barry Lismore
15 Jason Roche Passage
16 Jack Walshe Portlaw
17 Paul O Toole Roanmore
18 Craig Burke Tramore
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U21s v Abbeyside

TyrionPower

archieknox wrote: »

Bit of a mess up there alright. It is a shame,and there in never a good time for a fall out in a club but for it to happen up there now does make there cause alot harder if the transfers do go through. Wouldn't imagine Lismore will be laughing at them as they're not blessed with a world beating team either and given that its a local derby it just might be what Cappoquin need to bond them together. They certainly will be underdogs and will have nothing to lose so I wouldn't be writing them off just yet. Haven't they added a former u21 Wexford player to there squad aswell so maybe he will fill Conor Murray's position at centre back. I think if they do lose this game they will struggle through the rest of the rounds as its hard to see them picking up points from any of the other teams. One thing is certain it definitely will have left a lasting scare up there as everyone seems to be discussing it around west Waterford.

Sad fact is that this probably happens every year up there but only hearing about it this year cause they were successful

stumblingblock

TyrionPower wrote: »

Sad fact is that this probably happens every year up there but only hearing about it this year cause they were successful

Yea they were at it again a couple years ago when finan murray left the panel for a season. Pure nonsense. The GAA at its very worst.

Slobbery

It's mad the way things turned to Shyte for ballysaggart and Cappoquin after their all-Ireland club runs... Maybe the disappointment is too much to take...

stumblingblock

Slobbery wrote: »

It's mad the way things turned to Shyte for ballysaggart and Cappoquin after their all-Ireland club runs... Maybe the disappointment is too much to take...

Ballysaggart would never turn on each other like that. No one person is bigger than that club. They were just let down by one mouthpiece who couldn,t keep his emotions in check. Cappoquin on the otherhand are a victim of their own high opinions of themselves. Thats been their issue with years

Waternut

Such a pity if the situation in Cappoquin is as described. Really good young hurling team with a good underage structure.. Really though they could stay up senior this year and push on in the future.

Slobbery

stumblingblock wrote: »

Ballysaggart would never turn on each other like that. No one person is bigger than that club. They were just let down by one mouthpiece who couldn,t keep his emotions in check. Cappoquin on the otherhand are a victim of their own high opinions of themselves. Thats been their issue with years

I never said ballysaggart turned on each other - just meant the outcomes for both clubs,, though totally different circumstances left a lot to be desired

archieknox

stumblingblock wrote: »

Ballysaggart would never turn on each other like that. No one person is bigger than that club. They were just let down by one mouthpiece who couldn,t keep his emotions in check. Cappoquin on the otherhand are a victim of their own high opinions of themselves. Thats been their issue with years

Alot going on up there by the sounds of things. Was at the u21 challenge tonight and Conor Murray was very good for them. A shame really if he doesn't get to play senior this year because he has a lot to offer. Kieran Power and Seanie Barry were probably the others to stand out along with Sam O Neill at full forward. He scored 1-3 but he still seems to be carrying a few extra pounds so he could have something to offer if he got in shape.

Blaboy

Same old story in Cappoquin, The more people do for this club the less thanks they get and this has been the trend down through the years. It isn't who you are in the club but who you know.. If you aren't related or connected someway within the town/ club you don't have a chance. This goes on when they are winning and also when they are losing!! Saying that it's not just the GAA in the town, every other sporting club there is the same - Rowing Club, Snooker Club, Soccer Clubs etc, they all split. The powers that be in all these are the downfall of their own success..!! Such a shame!

Deise189

Mountainlad wrote: »

1 John Gartland Ardmore
2 Eddie Hayden Ballygunner
3 David Walsh Ballygunner
4 Billy O Keeffe Ballygunner
5 Cormac Curran Brickey Rangers
6 Conor Murray Cappoquin
7 Willie Hahessey Clonea
8 Jason Gleeson Clonea
9 Tom Moran De La Salle
10 Kieran Power Dungarvan
11 Gavin Power Dungarvan
12 Sam O Neil Erins Own
13 Dermot Ryan Fourmilewater
14 Seanie Barry Lismore
15 Jason Roche Passage
16 Jack Walshe Portlaw
17 Paul O Toole Roanmore
18 Craig Burke Tramore
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U21s v Abbeyside

Not the first time in these challenges I`ve seen Seanie Barry named outfield. Does he start there and is he focusing on becoming an outfield player or does anyone know why this is?

Where did Cormac Curran play? Seems to be named a different position every match. I don`t mind if it's changing between forward positions or defense if he is consistently played as a back or forward but would rather players with potential like him stays in one area. Can`t help but think it hinders their development a bit such as Jamie Barron playing corner back underage.

Brad1234

I would think that's just a list of names now in fairness.. Shows your knowledge.. Cause there is no way some of these lads are playing in those positions.

Also what exactly is going on in Cappoquin.. A brief synopsis will be fine..

hurlinbanter

Blaboy wrote: »

Same old story in Cappoquin, The more people do for this club the less thanks they get and this has been the trend down through the years. It isn't who you are in the club but who you know.. If you aren't related or connected someway within the town/ club you don't have a chance. This goes on when they are winning and also when they are losing!! Saying that it's not just the GAA in the town, every other sporting club there is the same - Rowing Club, Snooker Club, Soccer Clubs etc, they all split. The powers that be in all these are the downfall of their own success..!! Such a shame!

to be fair I didnt hear the rowing club and snooker clubs were split and the soccer clubs have been that way for years due to the 2 different leagues...as for the gaa you cant please everyone and the cappoquin club would love to see the boys hurling for there club but unfortunately 1 person cant run a club and do as they see fit it has to be agreed by a committee ...cappoquin club are very united regardless of what is happening and I can only imagine that they will do their best and look forward to the year ahead whatever the outcome

3ships

Deise189 wrote: »

Not the first time in these challenges I`ve seen Seanie Barry named outfield. Does he start there and is he focusing on becoming an outfield player or does anyone know why this is?

Where did Cormac Curran play? Seems to be named a different position every match. I don`t mind if it's changing between forward positions or defense if he is consistently played as a back or forward but would rather players with potential like him stays in one area. Can`t help but think it hinders their development a bit such as Jamie Barron playing corner back underage.

from tomasmcc twitter
Waterford U 21 v Abbeyside: Barry Ryan Hayden Hahessey Moran Roche O Keeffe Murray Power O Toole C Curran Gartland Gleeson O Neill Burke

Park Hotel U 21 Challenge Full Time Waterford 1-13 Abbeyside 0-15 Sam O Neill shot 1-3 Conor Murray & Kieran Power also stood out

archieknox

Deise189 wrote: »

Not the first time in these challenges I`ve seen Seanie Barry named outfield. Does he start there and is he focusing on becoming an outfield player or does anyone know why this is?

Where did Cormac Curran play? Seems to be named a different position every match. I don`t mind if it's changing between forward positions or defense if he is consistently played as a back or forward but would rather players with potential like him stays in one area. Can`t help but think it hinders their development a bit such as Jamie Barron playing corner back underage.

Barry was in goal and Curran played centre forward and was substituted at halftime. It was a poor enough affair,Abbeyside were short Podge Hurney and Richie Foley why looby and prunty were substituted at halftime aswell. They don't seem to have too much hurling done yet which is to be expected at this time of year but I'm sure Seanie O Brien will get that sorted as the year goes on.
Hayden from Ballygunner at fullback for the u21 wasn't bad and its a position that is up for grabs in that team as I don't think we have any natural fullbacks to come into that position.

shoddy14

If something isn't resolved in Cappoquin they could follow in the footsteps of Ballyduff Lower a few years ago and their could be a mass exodus of players. Would be sad to see as they have one of the best underage structures in the county.

tomwaterford

shoddy14 wrote: »

If something isn't resolved in Cappoquin they could follow in the footsteps of Ballyduff Lower a few years ago and their could be a mass exodus of players. Would be sad to see as they have one of the best underage structures in the county.

whats after happening up there....ive not been fully following it??

cul beag

tomwaterford wrote: »

whats after happening up there....ive not been fully following it??

From what I can gather there seems to be a huge split between last yrs manager and the committee and his sons now have decided to transfer elsewhere.

cul beag

shoddy14 wrote: »

If something isn't resolved in Cappoquin they could follow in the footsteps of Ballyduff Lower a few years ago and their could be a mass exodus of players. Would be sad to see as they have one of the best underage structures in the county.

Would you think it is that serious there? I couldn't imagine many more leaving over it but then I don't know the full story either so you could be right.

tomwaterford

cul beag wrote: »

From what I can gather there seems to be a huge split between last yrs manager and the committee and his sons now have decided to transfer elsewhere.

why did thety get rid of last years manager/what wascthe general cause of the rift....I taught they were going wrell

cul beag

tomwaterford wrote: »

why did thety get rid of last years manager/what wascthe general cause of the rift....I taught they were going wrell

Think the committee wanted to add 2 new selectors to his management team and he wouldn't agree. Again that's only the story I heard so I'm sure there are better posters on here better equipped to tell the full story.

hurlinbanter

cul beag wrote: »

Think the committee wanted to add 2 new selectors to his management team and he wouldn't agree. Again that's only the story I heard so I'm sure there are better posters on here better equipped to tell the full story.

as far as I know that is the jist of it but I also heard he had resigned earlier in the year and came back again

Glenshelane

tomwaterford wrote: »

whats after happening up there....ive not been fully following it??

Story is that about 15 years ago Cappoquin hurling was on its knees, a group of men started at U6 and built the underage structures to start producing some fine young hurlers and camogie players,
Fintan Murray spent God knows how many hours down in the pitch with the bulk of this years intermediates since they first caught a Hurley, his own sons the pick of the bunch.
For the first time this year the guys putting in the sterling work underage got a shot at the intermediate team and they won it, and the Munster, they went senior in both hurling and camogie... No club deserved it more for the work that went in underage.
Shortly after they lost the all Ireland semi final Fintan was told he couldn't name his own selectors or run the team the way he wanted, some of the selectors he wanted were Cappoquin men who turned the club around 15 years ago, but no that's not good enough for the crowd who hung around and destroyed the intermediate team for years and never did a tap underage.
Fintan should have got at least one more year on his terms for all he has done for the club and the success he had this year... But no instead he was shafted and Cappoquin lose there two best players in god knows how long in finan and Conor murray as well as a lot of guys doing the work underage...

So you work tirelessly for 15 years, win something for the first time in 40 years, win a Munster, and you are sacked and they bring in guys from midelton, fourmilewater and lismore instead of you...
Real forward thinking there by the club, absolutely disgusting... The surrounding clubs are having some laugh off this

SkipFC

I heard there was a meeting called by the chairman between himself and six Cappoquin players where they decided to get Fintan Murray out, Fintan O'Connor was already leaving to join the Waterford setup and they didn't want Murray in charge on his own.

Cappoquin had a challenge game tonight against St Mollerans abandoned with 10 minutes to go because of a massive brawl

Hurling man

Cappoquin club committee wanted to have a say in what was happening in the club. Last years manager wanted to get in new selectors and get rid of lads that were there last year. Committee wouldn't agree and although they wanted manager to stay on he walked away. His sons are now looking to leave aswell. It's a massive shame this as happened because from what I am hearing this row was taking place before all Ireland semi final too.

However no team can be run by one individual and I know they had success last year but leaving a father be manager with two sons on the team is asking for trouble in my opinion. As far as I know his third son is eligible to play this year but is leaving now as well.

I know many people have said on here that they are cappoquins best hurlers too but from seen a few of there games I actually thought Paul Murray was nearly best player ( not related I think) followed closely by county minors arron o Sullivan and andy molumby. Shane o Rourke done most of the scoring

If the boys want everything there own way there is no place for them in any team. And I can't see too many clubs wanting to take them either no matter how good they are.

I hope Cappiquin draw a line under it and get on with playing senior hurling with or without the lads

archieknox

SkipFC wrote: »

I heard there was a meeting called by the chairman between himself and six Cappoquin players where they decided to get Fintan Murray out, Fintan O'Connor was already leaving to join the Waterford setup and they didn't want Murray in charge on his own.

Cappoquin had a challenge game tonight against St Mollerans abandoned with 10 minutes to go because of a massive brawl

Sounds like their frustrations were let out so tonight!

TyrionPower

Hurling man wrote: »

Cappoquin club committee wanted to have a say in what was happening in the club. Last years manager wanted to get in new selectors and get rid of lads that were there last year. Committee wouldn't agree and although they wanted manager to stay on he walked away. His sons are now looking to leave aswell. It's a massive shame this as happened because from what I am hearing this row was taking place before all Ireland semi final too.

However no team can be run by one individual and I know they had success last year but leaving a father be manager with two sons on the team is asking for trouble in my opinion. As far as I know his third son is eligible to play this year but is leaving now as well.

I know many people have said on here that they are cappoquins best hurlers too but from seen a few of there games I actually thought Paul Murray was nearly best player ( not related I think) followed closely by county minors arron o Sullivan and andy molumby. Shane o Rourke done most of the scoring

If the boys want everything there own way there is no place for them in any team. And I can't see too many clubs wanting to take them either no matter how good they are.

I hope Cappiquin draw a line under it and get on with playing senior hurling with or without the lads

You do realise this is a local GAA club we are talking about? Not having a father as manager must be a rarity..
St Thomas won an all Ireland club with 6 sons on the team and the father as a manager.
Cappoquin have a lot of talent actually I had forgotten about the guys you named above, I'd say they will do alright but will still go down

Hurling man

TyrionPower wrote: »

You do realise this is a local GAA club we are talking about? Not having a father as manager must be a rarity..
St Thomas won an all Ireland club with 6 sons on the team and the father as a manager.
Cappoquin have a lot of talent actually I had forgotten about the guys you named above, I'd say they will do alright but will still go down

Fair point about st tomasas but I just think if it can be avoided ur better off. I know at underage level parents are bound to be involved but at adult grade I don't think it works. Some parents are too hard on their own lads some thinks sun shines out of their arse not sure if this is cause of what happened in Cappoqinn but it can't help now just because manager goes they are down three players. All teams change managers if they have sons on the team changing manager can be a disaster as we r seeing now in cappoquin

Waternut

Still think Murrays 3 sons are the pick of the crop. Reckon they will go down, in house fighting with a newly promoted team is a recipe for relegation.

cascade12

Glenshelane wrote: »

Story is that about 15 years ago Cappoquin hurling was on its knees, a group of men started at U6 and built the underage structures to start producing some fine young hurlers and camogie players,
Fintan Murray spent God knows how many hours down in the pitch with the bulk of this years intermediates since they first caught a Hurley, his own sons the pick of the bunch.
For the first time this year the guys putting in the sterling work underage got a shot at the intermediate team and they won it, and the Munster, they went senior in both hurling and camogie... No club deserved it more for the work that went in underage.
Shortly after they lost the all Ireland semi final Fintan was told he couldn't name his own selectors or run the team the way he wanted, some of the selectors he wanted were Cappoquin men who turned the club around 15 years ago, but no that's not good enough for the crowd who hung around and destroyed the intermediate team for years and never did a tap underage.
Fintan should have got at least one more year on his terms for all he has done for the club and the success he had this year... But no instead he was shafted and Cappoquin lose there two best players in god knows how long in finan and Conor murray as well as a lot of guys doing the work underage...

So you work tirelessly for 15 years, win something for the first time in 40 years, win a Munster, and you are sacked and they bring in guys from midelton, fourmilewater and lismore instead of you...
Real forward thinking there by the club, absolutely disgusting... The surrounding clubs are having some laugh off this

By all accounts Conor Murray ( listed as a Cappoquin player ) played well for the u21s last night against Abbeyside. Eoghan Murray is on the minor county panel as well, so would they not need to be playing for their club to be considered for the county teams. The transfer deadline is gone and to get a transfer outside of the county requires proof of residence within that county, so I would imagine, that Cappoquin are their only choices at this stage.
Going by your username you are obviously closer to the scene than I am, but I am told that Conor and Eoghan will be playing with Cappoquin this year ( did not hear anything about Finan).
Where does the great Magoo, who must have been involved with every underage Cappoquin team of the last 20 years, stand on all this? Is he not related to Fintan Murray?

hurlinbanter

Glenshelane wrote: »

Story is that about 15 years ago Cappoquin hurling was on its knees, a group of men started at U6 and built the underage structures to start producing some fine young hurlers and camogie players,
Fintan Murray spent God knows how many hours down in the pitch with the bulk of this years intermediates since they first caught a Hurley, his own sons the pick of the bunch.
For the first time this year the guys putting in the sterling work underage got a shot at the intermediate team and they won it, and the Munster, they went senior in both hurling and camogie... No club deserved it more for the work that went in underage.
Shortly after they lost the all Ireland semi final Fintan was told he couldn't name his own selectors or run the team the way he wanted, some of the selectors he wanted were Cappoquin men who turned the club around 15 years ago, but no that's not good enough for the crowd who hung around and destroyed the intermediate team for years and never did a tap underage.
Fintan should have got at least one more year on his terms for all he has done for the club and the success he had this year... But no instead he was shafted and Cappoquin lose there two best players in god knows how long in finan and Conor murray as well as a lot of guys doing the work underage...

So you work tirelessly for 15 years, win something for the first time in 40 years, win a Munster, and you are sacked and they bring in guys from midelton, fourmilewater and lismore instead of you...
Real forward thinking there by the club, absolutely disgusting... The surrounding clubs are having some laugh off this

Def not how the larger scale of people are seeing things. no one denies fintan done his fair share for the club but a club cant be held to ransom just because you have players that will walk away in protest if you dont get your own way. And on the note of them being the 2 best hulers paul murray the loobys on the backline were outstanding and may I add they have never thrown the rattlers from the cot and there father has also done a tremendous amount for the club. Fintan was asked to stays and point blank refuses unless it is all his own way which is very childish .like I said before there is more to any club then one players. Plus I would say his younger son would def have struggled to make the team this year

hurlinbanter

Glenshelane wrote: »

Story is that about 15 years ago Cappoquin hurling was on its knees, a group of men started at U6 and built the underage structures to start producing some fine young hurlers and camogie players,
Fintan Murray spent God knows how many hours down in the pitch with the bulk of this years intermediates since they first caught a Hurley, his own sons the pick of the bunch.
For the first time this year the guys putting in the sterling work underage got a shot at the intermediate team and they won it, and the Munster, they went senior in both hurling and camogie... No club deserved it more for the work that went in underage.
Shortly after they lost the all Ireland semi final Fintan was told he couldn't name his own selectors or run the team the way he wanted, some of the selectors he wanted were Cappoquin men who turned the club around 15 years ago, but no that's not good enough for the crowd who hung around and destroyed the intermediate team for years and never did a tap underage.
Fintan should have got at least one more year on his terms for all he has done for the club and the success he had this year... But no instead he was shafted and Cappoquin lose there two best players in god knows how long in finan and Conor murray as well as a lot of guys doing the work underage...

So you work tirelessly for 15 years, win something for the first time in 40 years, win a Munster, and you are sacked and they bring in guys from midelton, fourmilewater and lismore instead of you...
Real forward thinking there by the club, absolutely disgusting... The surrounding clubs are having some laugh off this

Def not how the larger scale of people are seeing things. no one denies fintan done his fair share for the club but a club cant be held to ransom just because you have players that will walk away in protest if you dont get your own way. And on the note of them being the 2 best hulers paul murray the loobys on the backline were outstanding and may I add they have never thrown the rattlers from the cot and there father has also done a tremendous amount for the club. Fintan was asked to stays and point blank refuses unless it is all his own way which is very childish .like I said before there is more to any club then one players. Plus I would say his younger son would def have struggled to make the team this year.fintan o connor from fourmilewater was fantastic for the team throughout the year and players had great respect for him but he did have his work cut out for him and had many a row on the sideline over certain players positions. As far as im aware this is why the committee needed to have 2 neutral parties on board so there would be no clouded views any reasonable manager would want the same. I firmly believe it can be very difficult to be manager and have sons playing judgement can be dented.maybe fintan should just enjoy watching his boys play and support them in that respect

Glenshelane

hurlinbanter wrote: »

Def not how the larger scale of people are seeing things. no one denies fintan done his fair share for the club but a club cant be held to ransom just because you have players that will walk away in protest if you dont get your own way. And on the note of them being the 2 best hulers paul murray the loobys on the backline were outstanding and may I add they have never thrown the rattlers from the cot and there father has also done a tremendous amount for the club. Fintan was asked to stays and point blank refuses unless it is all his own way which is very childish .like I said before there is more to any club then one players. Plus I would say his younger son would def have struggled to make the team this year.fintan o connor from fourmilewater was fantastic for the team throughout the year and players had great respect for him but he did have his work cut out for him and had many a row on the sideline over certain players positions. As far as im aware this is why the committee needed to have 2 neutral parties on board so there would be no clouded views any reasonable manager would want the same. I firmly believe it can be very difficult to be manager and have sons playing judgement can be dented.maybe fintan should just enjoy watching his boys play and support them in that respect

Doesn't matter how the vast majority of peopl see it I know what's right.
Fintan picked 5 selectors, the club wanted 6, the were afraid he had too much power, now they either should have given him the job on his terms or not at all, he wouldn't be the first to walk in those circumstances... They wanted an extra body in there to over rule him?
Why? I guess he was taking off the guys with the wrong surname.
I would call certain players calling a meeting behind his back to get rid of him as throwing out the rattlers to be honest.
He should have been allowed the job on his terms, he wasn't asking for anything crazy, he is too honest for some people, doesn't care who you are when picking the team... A great club man lost and the people who only show up to committee meetings and intermediates games get their way... The real work happens down the field Lads and ye just lost someone who did the bulk of it.., ye will reap what ye sow eventually

hurlinbanter

Fintan picked 2 and the committee wanted 2 more more as the original 2 wouldnt be very outspoken which of course was part of the plan on fintans part ..it def matters how the majority of people feel all these people contribute to the club in every way possible and to say they dont matter is a joke...it was very reasonable of the committee to request 2 more on board ...like I said before fintan walked again a while back and finan followed again...the players cant have this threat hanging over them constantly that if things dont work out for fintan that they will loose valuable players..

Glenshelane

hurlinbanter wrote: »

Fintan picked 2 and the committee wanted 2 more more as the original 2 wouldnt be very outspoken which of course was part of the plan on fintans part ..it def matters how the majority of people feel all these people contribute to the club in every way possible and to say they dont matter is a joke...it was very reasonable of the committee to request 2 more on board ...like I said before fintan walked again a while back and finan followed again...the players cant have this threat hanging over them constantly that if things dont work out for fintan that they will loose valuable players..

Oh right so you are basically saying that the guys Fintan picked were only yes men? Nice to see the underage work they put in is appreciated if that is the opinion of them... As you said yourself those lads contributed to the club every way possible and to call them yes men is a joke and untrue.

Committees don't worry about picking teams buddy, that's the managers job, you are basically saying the committee wanted their men on the line to pick the team, who would stand for that? You honestly don't see what id wrong with that?

Hurling man

No one said anything about yes men but lets look at it realistically why would they not want to continue on with lads from last year. Cappoquin have got rid of every trainer they had for the last 7 years and from what I heard if Fintan o connor hadn't joined Waterford they wanted rid of him aswell. No club that changes trainers or managers continuously will ever achieve anything in the long term. Also this famous underage structure ur on about was set up by the great Mcgoo by all accounts and from what I hear he wanted set up to stay the same aswell. Anyway we can argue about this forever but if it's not sorted soon it will do no one any good the two younger murrays won't be able to play with county teams and cappoquin will be without three good hurlers.

conditioned games

Hurling man wrote: »

No one said anything about yes men but lets look at it realistically why would they not want to continue on with lads from last year. Cappoquin have got rid of every trainer they had for the last 7 years and from what I heard if Fintan o connor hadn't joined Waterford they wanted rid of him aswell. No club that changes trainers or managers continuously will ever achieve anything in the long term. Also this famous underage structure ur on about was set up by the great Mcgoo by all accounts and from what I hear he wanted set up to stay the same aswell. Anyway we can argue about this forever but if it's not sorted soon it will do no one any good the two younger murrays won't be able to play with county teams and cappoquin will be without three good hurlers.

When a new manager is appointed he normally assembles his backroom team. When this happened in Cappoquin then why did the committee want further selectors added to the existing management team, not one but two. Looking from the outside in it looks like controlling behavior by the committee. Surely a man that has rolled up his sleeves helping to bring through good underage talent in the club deserves to assemble his management team when giving the role as manager of the adult club team. It seems some in Cappoquin are intent on holding the club back.

Hurling man

conditioned games wrote: »

When a new manager is appointed he normally assembles his backroom team. When this happened in Cappoquin then why did the committee want further selectors added to the existing management team, not one but two. Looking from the outside in it looks like controlling behavior by the committee. Surely a man that has rolled up his sleeves helping to bring through good underage talent in the club deserves to assemble his management team when giving the role as manager of the adult club team. It seems some in Cappoquin are intent on holding the club back.

He was manager last year he was not being appointed as new manager at all why get rid of lads that he worked with already it makes no sense at all and as far as I know most clubs would have to ratify management teams