Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 2013- Mod Warning Post #1

carter10

Motivator wrote: »

Oh but that can't happen, Derek is the messiah after all....I have a feeling that every excuse possible will be wheeled out if the county doesn't do as well as expected next year. In my opinion, if Derek doesn't win Munster & reach an All Ireland final then the year is a failure. He has the players, it's up to him to instill that extra bit of belief that I think they lacked during the summer. Apparently the county is in "transition" which baffles me as I think Michael Ryan should have been given an extra year. We are in transition after all - Apparently.

Theres fellas on here who will be hoping their own county lose because of their bitterness towards the manager. Sad and pathetic

Motivator

carter10 wrote: »

Theres fellas on here who will be hoping their own county lose because of their bitterness towards the manager. Sad and pathetic

Are you for real? When did I say that? I think Waterford are capable of at least winning Munster. What I can't take is fellas mouthing off about Derek McGrath about how superior he is to other young coaches/managers & how fortunate Waterford are to have him. We came within a hares breath of beating Kilkenny under the guidance of a man who was an apparent "disaster". Can I just ask a simple question here, what are people's expectations? If they aren't lofty then why is McGrath even there?

carter10

Motivator wrote: »

Are you for real? When did I say that? I think Waterford are capable of at least winning Munster. What I can't take is fellas mouthing off about Derek McGrath about how superior he is to other young coaches/managers & how fortunate Waterford are to have him. We came within a hares breath of beating Kilkenny under the guidance of a man who was an apparent "disaster". Can I just ask a simple question here, what are people's expectations? If they aren't lofty then why is McGrath even there?

My expectations are that the team and the manager will do their best and the real supporters will get behind them while other people like yourself will hope they fail so you can spout on ad nauseam about the 'injustice' done to Michael Ryan

Motivator

carter10 wrote: »

My expectations are that the team and the manager will do their best and the real supporters will get behind them while other people like yourself will hope they fail so you can spout on ad nauseam about the 'injustice' done to Michael Ryan

I would dearly love for you to point out where I said I hope the team would fail. I think it's laughable people can just turn a blind eye to all that has gone on, I travelled to watch the county in the dark days in the early 90s & will continue to do so regardless of who is in charge. I would just like to see Ryan get some credit for the last 2 years. Your expectations are that the team do their best, did they not do that over the last 2 years in league & championship? I have never called the teams attitude or character into question. Attitude & application isn't a problem for this current panel, it was a few years ago but not the current panel.

Liberty Way

I am led to believe that there is no qualified physical trainer appointed for the senior hurlers for the year and that William Maher is taking on the role.What experience has he for this specialised field. It is a massive drop in standards from the previous management and I would fear for the County for the year ahead.

Liberty Way

Maybe the Couny Chairman:pac::pac: Tom Cunningham will be next appointed to a position on the management team as he was instrumental in Derek McGrath appointed as manager. Watch this space! !!!!

Hslaw

what time is throw in today for the U21 final in the fraher field

Deise Doodler

Motivator wrote: »

I would dearly love for you to point out where I said I hope the team would fail. I think it's laughable people can just turn a blind eye to all that has gone on, I travelled to watch the county in the dark days in the early 90s & will continue to do so regardless of who is in charge. I would just like to see Ryan get some credit for the last 2 years. Your expectations are that the team do their best, did they not do that over the last 2 years in league & championship? I have never called the teams attitude or character into question. Attitude & application isn't a problem for this current panel, it was a few years ago but not the current panel.

lads its time to move on, Ryan thanks & fair play to him, gave it his best shot but for whatever reasons it didn't work out, that's life/sport, The day of players just doing whatever they are told with blind faith are gone, that comes hand in hand with a greater standard in education and expectation which as far as I'm concerned is a good thing. as for Ryan term, if u count nearly beating Kilkenny as the pinnacle of our success for last 2 years a good thing them Mcgrath should have a good chance of reaching those lofty heights, I certainly don't hold Ryan to blame for that, and I am not saying Mcgrath will do any better but at least let him have his chance

Hslaw

Dungarvan losing at HT 0-7 to 2-6

alllcounty

Fair play to Passage they did Waterford proud today, everyone of the Passage players gave their all and that's all you can ask for. I hope Killian Fitzgearld gets club hurler of the year, for me he has really excelled this year like many other Passage players. The call up to the county panel earlier this year has really brought on his hurling.

cul beag

Great game in the fraher field in the Western u21 final. Conditions were terrible and for st Carthages to win 2-15 to 0.18 was testament to both teams. They served up some great hurling with Stephen Bennett outstanding again. He was assisted well by Ray Barry who gave an exhibition at centre back. Ryan Donnelly worked himself to a standstill for Dungarvan and you would imagine if Patrick Curran was fit the result might have been different. Every time Donnelly got possession he looked dangerous and only for a great save by Seanie Barry at the end we would have had a replay. Interesting to see some of the Waterford management team in the stand and not up in limerick for the passage game? Surely Peter Queally must be licking his lips with the array of talent at his disposal for next year and must be quietly confident of beating Cork in the Munster semi final. Credit to both teams again and to both sets of mentors for the standard served up again.

IanVW

cul beag wrote: »

Great game in the fraher field in the Western u21 final. Conditions were terrible and for st Carthages to win 2-15 to 0.18 was testament to both teams. They served up some great hurling with Stephen Bennett outstanding again. He was assisted well by Ray Barry who gave an exhibition at centre back. Ryan Donnelly worked himself to a standstill for Dungarvan and you would imagine if Patrick Curran was fit the result might have been different. Every time Donnelly got possession he looked dangerous and only for a great save by Seanie Barry at the end we would have had a replay. Interesting to see some of the Waterford management team in the stand and not up in limerick for the passage game? Surely Peter Queally must be licking his lips with the array of talent at his disposal for next year and must be quietly confident of beating Cork in the Munster semi final. Credit to both teams again and to both sets of mentors for the standard served up again.

Any idea what Stephen Bennett scored? Heard he's called up for the senior panel next year:)

cul beag

IanVW wrote: »

Any idea what Stephen Bennett scored? Heard he's called up for the senior panel next year:)

By my reckoning he scored 2-09. Heard that he's called up aswell as Austin Gleeson and Shane McNulty. Heard Derek McGrath is to call to his and Austin Gleeson's parents to explain his plans for both of them for the year. If true it is a nice personal touch.

robopaddy

cul beag wrote: »

By my reckoning he scored 2-09. Heard that he's called up aswell as Austin Gleeson and Shane McNulty. Heard Derek McGrath is to call to his and Austin Gleeson's parents to explain his plans for both of them for the year. If true it is a nice personal touch.

Stevie has started college in limerick I hope theres someone driving up and down to collect him 3/4 evenings a week

Deise_2012

cul beag wrote: »

By my reckoning he scored 2-09. Heard that he's called up aswell as Austin Gleeson and Shane McNulty. Heard Derek McGrath is to call to his and Austin Gleeson's parents to explain his plans for both of them for the year. If true it is a nice personal touch.

Stephen Roche and Tadhg Bourke called up too to the senior panel too! Bennett was different class today, Dungarvan were doing well when they had Kevin Daly marking Stephen Bennett at centre back but then he went back to full back for some reason, Ryan Donnelly was very good he must have got 8 points from play. Ray Barry hurled well at centre back and Seanie Barry made a top class save in the last few seconds to deny Dungarvan a draw.

robopaddy

Motivator wrote: »

Are you for real? When did I say that? I think Waterford are capable of at least winning Munster. What I can't take is fellas mouthing off about Derek McGrath about how superior he is to other young coaches/managers & how fortunate Waterford are to have him. We came within a hares breath of beating Kilkenny under the guidance of a man who was an apparent "disaster". Can I just ask a simple question here, what are people's expectations? If they aren't lofty then why is McGrath even there?

Lad you have already made this exact same argument last week. Youve made ur point dont try and drag us all into this again

hardybuck

Terrific effort by Passage yesterday. Their work-rate was fantastic. If they had an extra little bit of quality and experience, and had Noel Conners available to them, the result might have gone the other way. It should be good experience for them regardless.


At this stage, our record in the various 2013 Munster Club Championships is:
P5 W1 D1 L3, with our only win and draw coming in football.

Black Suir

hardybuck wrote: »

Terrific effort by Passage yesterday. Their work-rate was fantastic. If they had an extra little bit of quality and experience, and had Noel Conners available to them, the result might have gone the other way. It should be good experience for them regardless.


At this stage, our record in the various 2013 Munster Club Championships is:
P5 W1 D1 L3, with our only win and draw coming in football.

Stats to show that we need to have a serious look at our championships but our backward way thinking county board ( by that I mean most of the officers and the clubs) wont do or allow anything to change.

Sami Jenkis

Black Suir wrote: »

Stats to show that we need to have a serious look at our championships but our backward way thinking county board ( by that I mean most of the officers and the clubs) wont do or allow anything to change.

Just out of curiosity, what would you think yourself should be done to change the County championships structure???

alllcounty

Sami Jenkis wrote: »

Just out of curiosity, what would you think yourself should be done to change the County championships structure???

Keep the senior championship as it is as 12 teams at senior is the perfect number. The Intermediate and Junior championship badly needs to be improved. At Intermediate the county title is competed for by 23 clubs, with clubs from the east and west of the county prevented from playing each other beacuse of the rules layed down by the divisional boards. The quality in its present form is heavily diluted with intermediate teams at various levels of standard playing each other and in its current form the championship is not competitive enough to allow teams improve. Therefore there needs to be a Senior B championship with 10 teams, an Intermediate championship with 12 teams and the rest of the clubs with first teams play in a junior championship with all 3 structures playing in a similar county championship like the way the senior is run with teams from the east and the west of the county playing against each other. The big fault under the current system is teams from each side of the county are not allowed play each other in the championship if your club is not senior.

thesaturdayman

i would agree with this 100%... the point is proven by way of county minor champ look at progress of county team since it went all county....

Mountainlad

In fairness Ardmore lost Declan Prender at the start of the game and still bossed the Cork champs for a long time. Without Connors and in Limerick I didn't think Passage would stay with Na Piarsaigh but they did. And De La Salle should have put Ballyporeen away the first day.

thinkstoomuch1

cul beag wrote: »

Great game in the fraher field in the Western u21 final. Conditions were terrible and for st Carthages to win 2-15 to 0.18 was testament to both teams. They served up some great hurling with Stephen Bennett outstanding again. He was assisted well by Ray Barry who gave an exhibition at centre back. Ryan Donnelly worked himself to a standstill for Dungarvan and you would imagine if Patrick Curran was fit the result might have been different. Every time Donnelly got possession he looked dangerous and only for a great save by Seanie Barry at the end we would have had a replay. Interesting to see some of the Waterford management team in the stand and not up in limerick for the passage game? Surely Peter Queally must be licking his lips with the array of talent at his disposal for next year and must be quietly confident of beating Cork in the Munster semi final. Credit to both teams again and to both sets of mentors for the standard served up again.

Queally had a big hand in youghals success and will learn from last year.

The cork management team at u21 is the same manager from minor and intermediate with a woeful record,in three years.Theres talent on the team,but what you will see is a cork team,underprepared,no game plan,players out of position and no real belief in them.Before the teams are even named,i have seen enough of our manager in 3 years,that it will be a dissaster next year.He had a good coach in frank flannery at minor and still messed up.Flannery as went on to better things.


If waterford don't beat this team at home ,its a poor reflection on ye.I don't give Cork any chance at all.

The minor draw is still to be done,but if we had to play ye away from home,i would give us a good chance,such is that our minor management is a top class set up.

The u21 is a dissaster waiting to happen.

alllcounty

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Queally had a big hand in youghals success and will learn from last year.

The minor draw is still to be done,but if we had to play ye away from home,i would give us a good chance,such is that our minor management is a top class set up.

Limerick and Cork will be very strong at minor next year, it might be good to get either in the 1st round next year because if the waterford minors were beaten they will get a second chance.

Has Queally been confirmed as manager of the U21's for 2014, I assume he will give it another year. If we didn't have a player sent off in the second half with our game against Clare in Walsh park there may have been a different winner of the all ireland U21. I was happy with the way players approcahed the U21 game this year which was the opposite to the previous year.

thinkstoomuch1

alllcounty wrote: »

Limerick and Cork will be very strong at minor next year, it might be good to get either in the 1st round next year because if the waterford minors were beaten they will get a second chance.

Has Queally been confirmed as manager of the U21's for 2014, I assume he will give it another year. If we didn't have a player sent off in the second half with our game against Clare in Walsh park there may have been a different winner of the all ireland U21. I was happy with the way players approcahed the U21 game this year which was the opposite to the previous year.

Cork minors,a few are with midelton in the harty cup,around six or seven have played senior with clubs,or intermediate or around the fringes and being involved with u21 club teams.Some top players,a strong east cork selection.
And a lot are from last years u17 all ireland winning team.

Panel 63 was named sat(on cork thread)and it will be interesting to see whats its cut down to as there is competiton their.

Shane o brien playing with blackwater is on it,a likley starter.Denis ring and landers will have them well prepared.It will be the best prepared minor team in years.

I would of course respect every team but wouldnt fear anyone with the set up in charge.

hardybuck

Mountainlad wrote: »

In fairness Ardmore lost Declan Prender at the start of the game and still bossed the Cork champs for a long time. Without Connors and in Limerick I didn't think Passage would stay with Na Piarsaigh but they did. And De La Salle should have put Ballyporeen away the first day.

While I'd agree with all of the above, about 1-2 wins out of all the games would be what we'd normally get every year.

The only grades we would appear to have a decent chance of winning games in are senior hurling and football.

hardybuck

alllcounty wrote: »

Keep the senior championship as it is as 12 teams at senior is the perfect number. The Intermediate and Junior championship badly needs to be improved. At Intermediate the county title is competed for by 23 clubs, with clubs from the east and west of the county prevented from playing each other beacuse of the rules layed down by the divisional boards. The quality in its present form is heavily diluted with intermediate teams at various levels of standard playing each other and in its current form the championship is not competitive enough to allow teams improve. Therefore there needs to be a Senior B championship with 10 teams, an Intermediate championship with 12 teams and the rest of the clubs with first teams play in a junior championship with all 3 structures playing in a similar county championship like the way the senior is run with teams from the east and the west of the county playing against each other. The big fault under the current system is teams from each side of the county are not allowed play each other in the championship if your club is not senior.

Personally, I don't think we have 12 teams at senior level. We might be better reducing it to perhaps 8, and have all of the senior teams play each other. There are regular thrashings handed out every year at this level which does nobody any good.

I'd take the teams dropping down from senior and the finalists of the east and west intermediate to form an 8 team intermediate premier/senior b, with a similar format to the senior.

Intermediate regular would be the remaining teams from the east and west, minus a couple of weaker inter teams who probably should be consigned to junior.

I'm not sure if junior should be played on an all county basis just yet. Some of the travel involved might be prohibitive to players at that level - although I might be unfair to them in saying that. I feel if they got the senior and intermediate restructured as a first step we'd be on the right track.

dzilla

Waterford looking for home and away arrangement with cork. 17000 capacity at walsh park now. Will be interesting to see the outcome. A packed walsh park would provide a good atmosphere on a championship day... with some decent organization like using WIT/RSC/Lisduggan shopping centre car parks (would be subject to permissions obv) it could he pulled off... albeit id imagine 21 - 25k woukd be the anticipated crowd this year with the interest generated by our new manager and cork being all ireland finalist 4 - 8k people could miss out on tickets... but the county board ultimately has to look at using its own resources as a source of income and this would be a cash cow imo

hardybuck

dzilla wrote: »

Waterford looking for home and away arrangement with cork. 17000 capacity at walsh park now. Will be interesting to see the outcome. A packed walsh park would provide a good atmosphere on a championship day... with some decent organization like using WIT/RSC/Lisduggan shopping centre car parks (would be subject to permissions obv) it could he pulled off... albeit id imagine 21 - 25k woukd be the anticipated crowd this year with the interest generated by our new manager and cork being all ireland finalist 4 - 8k people could miss out on tickets... but the county board ultimately has to look at using its own resources as a source of income and this would be a cash cow imo

If they get the all clear for a 17k capacity - they should have a good chance of getting it. Donegal successfully fought to play their Ulster first round game v Tyrone in Ballybofey this year, despite strong objections from Tyrone. You would imagine that there is some sort of precedent there now as a result.

WIT (Cork Road and Carriganore) would be an ideal site for parking with most people who are travelling coming in from that side of the city.

I'm not sure how the money is distributed from these games. However, you can bet that the Munster council wouldn't be too happy about locking out perhaps 10k people - lets not forget that Cork hurling fans normally travel in numbers.

You can bet that the likes of RTE/TV3 would be in their ear complaining about the media facilities there also.

dzilla

hardybuck wrote: »

If they get the all clear for a 17k capacity - they should have a good chance of getting it. Donegal successfully fought to play their Ulster first round game v Tyrone in Ballybofey this year, despite strong objections from Tyrone. You would imagine that there is some sort of precedent there now as a result.

WIT (Cork Road and Carriganore) would be an ideal site for parking with most people who are travelling coming in from that side of the city.

I'm not sure how the money is distributed from these games. However, you can bet that the Munster council wouldn't be too happy about locking out perhaps 10k people - lets not forget that Cork hurling fans normally travel in numbers.

You can bet that the likes of RTE/TV3 would be in their ear complaining about the media facilities there also.

Yeah I totally agree with that, but from a totally selfish Waterford point of few for the money spinning aspect I wouldn't be fussed about the cork travelling support. Are the televised revenues distributed to the competing teams do you know? Or is it centralized to head office