Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 2013- Mod Warning Post #1

Jarjohn

Have short reports on Intermediate Double header in Lismore today.

In first game Ballysaggart were better team but left Ballinameela in game throughout by conceding some soft goals. Kieran and Shane Bennett excellent for Saggart. Stephen Bennett came on for last 10 mins. Scored a point and hit 2 wides but not fully fit. Late goal for Ballinameela made scoreline look closer than what game was. 2-18 to 4-11

In second game Cappoquin much better team and County minors Andy Molumby and Aaron O Sullivan did well up front with Shane O Rourke. Always seem to come up short every year but I was well impressed with their play today and will be putting a few quid on them to win County. Tourin relied mostly on frees from Daithi Wilkinson and will do well to stay up this year. Worryingly Darragh Fives went off in 2nd half. Not fit at all. Got Tourin's goal but didn't stand out today as a County player obviously due to not being fully fit. I think it was 0-14 to 0-7 at h/t and 1-20 to 1-11 at final whistle

Decent crowd there today at games and great to have the club hurling up and running again

thegambler2

Mountainlad wrote: »

Hard luck Kev, shocked by that one.

Was at Abbeyside v Fourmilewater earlier. A poor display from A'side, but Fourmile looking a lot more like the team they were in 2012 than last year. Going really well in the football and seem fitter, I was really impressed with their intensity without the ball and they used it quite well particularly first half.

Seemed to withdraw second half and it meant their forwards were starved of possession but a very solid defensive effort, and something like a 27 point turnaround on the quarter final defeat they suffered last year.

Jamie Barron was excellent scoring 0-17 points, 6 from play and only missed one free all game. Shane Walsh hit two points, played well overall I thought and Liam Lawlor gave his usual exhibition for the club. Conor Gleeson showed very well first half and second half when he got a chance though he was up against it when men were brought back.

Richie Foley came on at half time for the villagers (they call themselves that don't they?) and scored 0-2 points but wasn't too involved, though good to see him back playing. Podge Hurney was marked out of it by Thomas O Gorman, and I didn't realize Gary Hurney was on the field until the end.

Roanmore have thrown a spanner in the works in that group. Doubt they'll take anything off the rest but could make things interesting for those chasing the quarters.

Gary Hurney only came on for the last 10 minutes.... Must have missed that

Deise_2012

Mountainlad wrote: »

Hard luck Kev, shocked by that one.

Was at Abbeyside v Fourmilewater earlier. A poor display from A'side, but Fourmile looking a lot more like the team they were in 2012 than last year. Going really well in the football and seem fitter, I was really impressed with their intensity without the ball and they used it quite well particularly first half.

Seemed to withdraw second half and it meant their forwards were starved of possession but a very solid defensive effort, and something like a 27 point turnaround on the quarter final defeat they suffered last year.

Jamie Barron was excellent scoring 0-17 points, 6 from play and only missed one free all game. Shane Walsh hit two points, played well overall I thought and Liam Lawlor gave his usual exhibition for the club. Conor Gleeson showed very well first half and second half when he got a chance though he was up against it when men were brought back.

Richie Foley came on at half time for the villagers (they call themselves that don't they?) and scored 0-2 points but wasn't too involved, though good to see him back playing. Podge Hurney was marked out of it by Thomas O Gorman, and I didn't realize Gary Hurney was on the field until the end.

Roanmore have thrown a spanner in the works in that group. Doubt they'll take anything off the rest but could make things interesting for those chasing the quarters.

All down to Benji Whelan from Kilmac, he's doing the fitness training for the Nire. Top class

robopaddy

Jarjohn wrote: »

Jamie Barron was excellent scoring 0-17 points

17 points..... wow that is some scoring

Could do with someone like him hitting form coming into the munster championship

Mountainlad

thegambler2 wrote: »

Gary Hurney only came on for the last 10 minutes.... Must have missed that

That would make sense alright. Surprised how quiet his brother was after last year.

Deise_2012

robopaddy wrote: »

Could do with someone like him hitting form coming into the munster championship

Needs to be running at goal though, not used as a 3rd midfielder or the position he played against kilkenny

Mountainlad

Deise_2012 wrote: »

Needs to be running at goal though, not used as a 3rd midfielder or the position he played against kilkenny

Agreed. He was roaming yesterday and think it suits in club hurling but with the physicality and pace of Inter-County, could be a couple of years before he can do the same at that level. But with Dan there yesterday, and there absolute refusal to play him corner forward before now I think you won't see him that high up the pitch in 4 weeks time.

thegambler2

Mountainlad wrote: »

That would make sense alright. Surprised how quiet his brother was after last year.

He seems to be a very hot/cold player alright!

Deise_2012

Minor Footballers playing tomorrow night in Fraher Field v Clare, 7pm!!

Top drawer

Was impressed with roanmore last night, wats the story with them? Are they on the turnaround?Cant see them doing the same to fourmilewater on sunday though especially with barron on song, wats the thoughts?

robopaddy

Top drawer wrote: »

Was impressed with roanmore last night, wats the story with them? Are they on the turnaround?Cant see them doing the same to fourmilewater on sunday though especially with barron on song, wats the thoughts?

Will still struggle to stay up. Although I fancy tallow for the drop. On a real downward spiral since they got to the co final.

hardybuck

Deise_2012 wrote: »

Minor Footballers playing tomorrow night in Fraher Field v Clare, 7pm!!

Clare gave Limerick a decent beating last week, scoring 2-17 in the process. Apparently Limerick scored 3 goals in the 2nd half, but the game was long over as a contest.

The home team tends to do well in Waterford v Clare games however. Getting to Dungarvan on a Wednesday night from west Clare would be a pain in the neck.

babs123

Deise_2012 wrote: »

All down to Benji Whelan from Kilmac, he's doing the fitness training for the Nire. Top class

he is the manager as well. looking after the whole lot . great man with a great attitude.involved in the mt sion team that nearly beat de la sale ( 3-2- 1)year.
Good man in charge there expect them to do well. Keep an eye on the nire also.

deisedude

Stevie Molumphy has a broken hand and Maurice a doubt with a back injury after the first round of club games

Mountainlad

deisedude wrote: »

Stevie Molumphy has a broken hand and Maurice a doubt with a back injury after the first round of club games

Lawlor took a long time to leave the field on Sunday too. Looked like the strapped knee giving him trouble.

3ships

Minors 4.4 Clare 1.4 ht

KevIRL

3ships wrote: »

Minors 4.4 Clare 1.4 ht

5-5 to 2-9 now. Sounds like a v enjoyable game

KevIRL

KevIRL wrote: »

5-5 to 2-9 now. Sounds like a v enjoyable game

5-9 to 4-10, 5 mins left

3ships

6.9 to 4.12 what a game cork in Fraher next week or 2

Cornerstoner

They should have beaten Tipp the last day and a great win tonight. It just goes to show that there are plenty of talented young footballers in this county. The problem will be progressing them to Senior level

robopaddy

3ships wrote: »

6.9 to 4.12 what a game cork in Fraher next week or 2

A win not to be underestimated. Clare have been putting a lot of work into underage fball the last few years

thegambler2

robopaddy wrote: »

A win not to be underestimated. Clare have been putting a lot of work into underage fball the last few years

Imagine if we put in those efforts!

robopaddy

thegambler2 wrote: »

Imagine if we put in those efforts!

Agreed. Its been a dismal 5 or 6 years at underage level but this is a talented group of dual players that has come through in the last year or 2. The clubs deserve great credit for keeping these lads playing football at grassroots level considering how hurling has taken over all over the county in recent times. Not sure the co board deserves much credit for this though.

Credit also to the hurling management for giving the hurlers the choice to play football if they wish. They did the same last year and didnt do them any harm.! From what I beleive clare didnt allow the same but 2 or 3 lads actually chose football over hurling. So weldone waterford and best of luck against cork

Cake Man

Well done to the minor footballers, very good win. Hopefully we can push Cork all the way in the semi.

We'll also know tonight who our minor hurlers will have in the Munster semi, Clare and Tipp face off in Ennis. Who would people prefer? If it's Clare, we've a home semi, Tipp and it's in Thurles.
Would probably prefer Clare myself with a home game, we beat them in Ennis (without playing well and missing a few key players) so I reckon we could take them again.
Don't know much about Tipp apart from the fact they gave a fancied Limerick side a decent game but Thurles wouldn't be an easy place to go to.

seananigans

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Charity match in June for ken. I wonder would a certain Mr. Browne maybe make one last appearance . would be made craic if flynners eoin Kelly Muller put on the white and blue for ken.

I'd buy that for a dollar

seananigans

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I wonder will the old guards be carted out to raise funds for ken . imagine seeing flynners Tony Muller eoin in blue and white . is pay big money

Deise_2012

Cake Man wrote: »

Well done to the minor footballers, very good win. Hopefully we can push Cork all the way in the semi.

We'll also know tonight who our minor hurlers will have in the Munster semi, Clare and Tipp face off in Ennis. Who would people prefer? If it's Clare, we've a home semi, Tipp and it's in Thurles.
Would probably prefer Clare myself with a home game, we beat them in Ennis (without playing well and missing a few key players) so I reckon we could take them again.
Don't know much about Tipp apart from the fact they gave a fancied Limerick side a decent game but Thurles wouldn't be an easy place to go to.

Praying for a Clare win tonight!

Playing Clare in a Munster semi final at home in Fraher Field, doesn't get much better!

robopaddy

seananigans wrote: »

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I wonder will the old guards be carted out to raise funds for ken . imagine seeing flynners Tony Muller eoin in blue and white . is pay big money

Hope so. Ken is our greatest hurler of all time #fact

seananigans

robopaddy wrote: »

Hope so. Ken is our greatest hurler of all time #fact

Don't get me wrong he is a hero but is he or best he had given a lot as has his family . but would you pick him over Muller if you had one or the other or flynners or eoin Kelly when he was on form?

TrickyMickey1

Long time lurker on this thread,was at the minor football game last night and although we up against tough opposition it's the best team we've had the last few years from early signs fair play to them.Hopefully we can put in a respectable performance against Cork next.

hardybuck

seananigans wrote: »

Don't get me wrong he is a hero but is he or best he had given a lot as has his family . but would you pick him over Muller if you had one or the other or flynners or eoin Kelly when he was on form?

Tough call. McGrath gets the nod for me though.

Mullane only really started to get fully appreciated in the latter stages of his intercounty career. He'd be probably put in most people's best full forward line of that era, but that wasn't always the case.

Ken McGrath was widely regarded as one of the classiest players in his generation full stop. He excellent as a forward and mastered centre back.

McGrath will be remembered for his graceful style, his excellent stick-work. Mullane will be remembered as a charachter, and his ability to burn defenders.

I hope they get a great turnout. He's suffered badly with his health in the last couple of years.

TrickyMickey1

hardybuck wrote: »

Tough call.

Mullane only really started to get fully appreciated in the latter stages of his intercounty career. He'd be probably put in most people's best full forward line of that era, but that wasn't always the case.

Ken McGrath was widely regarded as one of the classiest players in his generation full stop. He excellent as a forward and mastered centre back.

McGrath will be remembered for his graceful style, his excellent stick-work. Mullane will be remembered as a charachter, and his ability to burn defenders.

I hope they get a great turnout. He's suffered badly with his health in the last couple of years.

Isn't that the case with many top players tho?You start taking them for granted and when they start coming towards the end of their career you begin to realise how you will be lost without them.

hardybuck

TrickyMickey1 wrote: »

Isn't that the case with many top players tho?You start taking them for granted and when they start coming towards the end of their career you begin to realise how you will be lost without them.

Sometimes. McGrath was always highly regarded though.

Edited my post above, he's the best we've had in my opinion.

robopaddy

seananigans wrote: »

Don't get me wrong he is a hero but is he or best he had given a lot as has his family . but would you pick him over Muller if you had one or the other or flynners or eoin Kelly when he was on form?

No way ken all the way for me. The complete package

TrickyMickey1

robopaddy wrote: »

No way ken all the way for me. The complete package

Ken for me too,pure class.

ArtVandelay76

Ken was the best of that generation.

Mountainlad

Clare 1-23 Tipperary 0-12

Tipp finished with 12. First sent off on the stroke of half time when Tipp led 10 to 09. They got the first of the second half, and then clare score 9 without reply when Tipp had another sent off and gave away a penalty which clare converted. Tipp had another player sent of a few minutes later and it would seem it was after that Clare got the last 5 point (after 53 mins).

So Waterford to play Clare in Walsh Park, and I wouldn't read anything into today, the only thing you could say is Clare have the advantage of an extra game.

willietherock

Mountainlad wrote: »

Clare 1-23 Tipperary 0-12

Tipp finished with 12. First sent off on the stroke of half time when Tipp led 10 to 09. They got the first of the second half, and then clare score 9 without reply when Tipp had another sent off and gave away a penalty which clare converted. Tipp had another player sent of a few minutes later and it would seem it was after that Clare got the last 5 point (after 53 mins).

So Waterford to play Clare in Walsh Park, and I wouldn't read anything into today, the only thing you could say is Clare have the advantage of an extra game.

Why in the name of **** cant they fix it that a team who beat another cant meet again in the next round? You are being punished for winning first time around.

Mountainlad

willietherock wrote: »

Why in the name of **** cant they fix it that a team who beat another cant meet again in the next round? You are being punished for winning first time around.

Who Cork or Waterford? I'm happy with it anyway, avoiding Limerick and Cork

Cake Man

Mightn't be a bad result, the fact that Tipp had a few sent off and then Clare did the bulk of their scoring suggests that you couldn't read too much into it.
Glad to get a home game anyway and like I posted before the game, I think we're good enough to take Clare again with hopefully the players who missed the last game back.

KevIRL

Delighted to get the home game tbh. Semi final is all about winning as it ensures entry into the All Ireland series, so any advantage is vital

Cake Man

KevIRL wrote: »

Delighted to get the home game tbh. Semi final is all about winning as it ensures entry into the All Ireland series, so any advantage is vital

Exactly, all about reaching a Munster final to guarantee hurling into the summer. Looking forward to it now.

robopaddy

Id say clare will be happy enough to have another go at us. Tbh they were the better team for a lot of that game. Its still probably the best draw we could have got though.

Deise Doodler

robopaddy wrote: »

Id say clare will be happy enough to have another go at us. Tbh they were the better team for a lot of that game. Its still probably the best draw we could have got though.

Think I would have preferred a shot at Tipp, was at the Clare game and they really should have won, think they will have a big physiological advantage on us, even though we were out of sorts and missing a few. I do think we are good enough but I hate having to play a team that we have beat already in the same championship,

Mountainlad

Deise Doodler wrote: »

Think I would have preferred a shot at Tipp, was at the Clare game and they really should have won, think they will have a big physiological advantage on us, even though we were out of sorts and missing a few. I do think we are good enough but I hate having to play a team that we have beat already in the same championship,

Agree with you on the last point, but being more comfortable and the better team in your own home ground and still losing is not something I would use to talk a team up.

Deise Doodler

Mountainlad wrote: »

Agree with you on the last point, but being more comfortable and the better team in your own home ground and still losing is not something I would use to talk a team up.

Not talking them up, but neither am I talking us up, expectation will be huge on the team in front of a home crowd against a team that they already beat, Clare are well able to hurl, and the team that looses will always have more to learn and a point to prove, there is no gulf in class between the two teams so physiological preparation ( or a bit of luck) will often be the difference between the two teams, Guess its up to us to use that against them which fingers crossed we will do

Brad1234

Deise Doodler wrote: »

Not talking them up, but neither am I talking us up, expectation will be huge on the team in front of a home crowd against a team that they already beat, Clare are well able to hurl, and the team that looses will always have more to learn and a point to prove, there is no gulf in class between the two teams so physiological preparation ( or a bit of luck) will often be the difference between the two teams, Guess its up to us to use that against them which fingers crossed we will do

Whats with the negativity.. Its coursing through the veins of waterford people.. Waterford went up to clare with a number of players missing.. Roche from Shamrocks especially who easily racked up 3 points a game average for the minor team last year.. a less than 30% fit Curran and still won the game.. Sick of this playing it down nonsense.. The players will go out and play to win and none of this old ghost waterford crap.. They are confident having beaten this team before and they will do the job again..

All this extra edge psychological stuff is a load of nonsense and last no more than the first 5/10 mins of a match.. Always people on here feeling we have to be underdogs play it down.. its not going to happening.. Luckily these guys have a lot more confidence and good mentality to play at this level and if they are beaten clare are better not the nonsense being spouted.

sid wallace

Brad1234 wrote: »

Whats with the negativity.. Its coursing through the veins of waterford people.. Waterford went up to clare with a number of players missing.. Roche from Shamrocks especially who easily racked up 3 points a game average for the minor team last year.. a less than 30% fit Curran and still won the game.. Sick of this playing it down nonsense.. The players will go out and play to win and none of this old ghost waterford crap.. They are confident having beaten this team before and they will do the job again..

All this extra edge psychological stuff is a load of nonsense and last no more than the first 5/10 mins of a match.. Always people on here feeling we have to be underdogs play it down.. its not going to happening.. Luckily these guys have a lot more confidence and good mentality to play at this level and if they are beaten clare are better not the nonsense being spouted.

Great post. We are the All Ireland champions and weare playing at home against a team we beat in Ennis two weeks ago. Why shouldn't we be favourites?

robopaddy

Great. Padre pio is back.

Think clare will have learned a bit more about themselves since the game in ennis. Also the full back line needs sorting out. Their big full forward shanagher wreaked havoc again last night as he did against us.

No harm being confident but cant be complacent either. Clare will have improved so we will need to aswell

Cake Man

Would it be worth putting Shane Bennett on that Shanagher lad or would that be a waste? Who would be our best man marker?
Seems if we could stop his threat we'd be in with a good shout.
I read elsewhere that Clare are meant to have one of their best players back that missed the first game due to a burst appendix, think his name is Ben O' Gorman so that'll be a boost for them.
It'll be tight I'd say but confident we can do the job again.