Where will we finish ?

Hatch99

Fcuk it, who knows, we hadn't won in donkeys at OT up until recently, records are there to be broken, I don't give us much hope at the bridge, but you never know in football.

irishmover

By the time we face Liverpool we'll have played 47 games this season as opposed to Liverpools 36.

11 games more played this season when we meet. Madness.

Ormus

irishmover wrote: »

By the time we face Liverpool we'll have played 47 games this season as opposed to Liverpools 36.

11 games more played this season when we meet. Madness.

Yeah the Europa is such a slog of a tournament. I really think we should be playing our second 11 all the way up to the quarter finals, even if it meant not making it that far.

irishmover

Ormus wrote: »

Yeah the Europa is such a slog of a tournament. I really think we should be playing our second 11 all the way up to the quarter finals, even if it meant not making it that far.

Interestingly though. Europa league plays the same amount of games as the Champions league.

golfball37

irishmover wrote: »

By the time we face Liverpool we'll have played 47 games this season as opposed to Liverpools 36.

11 games more played this season when we meet. Madness.

Whats madness is they have scored TWICE the amount of goals we have.

jobeenfitz

It seems that the red half of north London is unhappy that Mike Dean is reffing our game against Arsenal this week end, according to twitter.

I know nothing about twitter, so don't take anything I say about this as gospel.

irishmover

jobeenfitz wrote: »

It seems that the red half of north London is unhappy that Mike Dean is reffing our game against Arsenal this week end, according to twitter.

I know nothing about twitter, so don't take anything I say about this as gospel.

Apparently Arsenal have won 3 games in Deans last 20 PL games he's reffed (so 15%).

DubPerryman

I thought I'd get this thread going again considering we've just won a match. #shorttermmemory

Though, Arsenal have been terrible in their last three league matches..... Chelsea, us and Stoke.

The gap is six points dot dot dot

KingdomYid

DubPerryman wrote: »

I thought I'd get this thread going again considering we've just won a match. #shorttermmemory

Though, Arsenal have been terrible in their last three league matches..... Chelsea, us and Stoke.

The gap is six points dot dot dot

Please please please can we not close this thread and just see what happens?

squirrelohara

Painful to watch spurs today. Mistakes all over the pitch. They should lose a few more games before the season is over.

DubPerryman

Arsenal have Swansea, City and Everton in their next three games.

Everton have two winnable games against Newcastle and Fulham before they play Arsenal. Plus they have a game in hand of the Gooners.

If Arsenal don't get full points against Swansea tomorrow, Everton could be 4th by mid-March. I'd love to see Everton drag Arsenal in to a 4th place scrap.

We'll nicely settle in to 6th with no threat of Europe, Tim's head will be on the block and the new manager will have a Europe-free season to set up his squad next season in preparation for Champions League football the following season.

COYS!

davycc

good point on the gunner everton race but i thought 7th place was needed for us to avoid the EL next season since city won the lg cup

same ol sh1te

davycc wrote: »

good point on the gunner everton race but i thought 7th place was needed for us to avoid the EL next season since city won the lg cup

Hopefully United win Champions League so there's only 3 places :-)

Martin567

Everton have a very difficult end to the season. They have Arsenal, Man Utd & Man City in their last 7 games. They also have Southampton, Sunderland & Hull away. Looking at their fixtures a few months back, I reckoned that Spurs would finish ahead of Everton so long as they were within 4 or 5 points of them by mid April. Whether Spurs might be better off missing out on the EL is a different matter!

In fairness to Tim Sherwood, Spurs have picked up 29 points in his 15 games in charge. That's actually an excellent average. I'm not saying he's the long-term answer but it's unfair to say that his few months in charge has been a disaster.

KingdomYid

davycc wrote: »

good point on the gunner everton race but i thought 7th place was needed for us to avoid the EL next season since city won the lg cup

Yupp we will have to fall belw United and finish 7th to avoid Europe.

Kiith

same ol sh1te wrote: »

Hopefully United win Champions League so there's only 3 places :-)

Ah don't say that. We'll end up getting 4th and lose out again

DubPerryman

davycc wrote: »

good point on the gunner everton race but i thought 7th place was needed for us to avoid the EL next season since city won the lg cup

SHHHHHHHHHHHHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:mad::mad::mad::mad:

same ol sh1te

Kiith wrote: »

Ah don't say that. We'll end up getting 4th and lose out again

I'm saying it because I'm doubtful we'll get fourth, would be great karma for Arsenal to get fourth only to lose out

Pacing Mule

Is it confirmed that 6th place gets Europa League now ? All the tables I have seen only have the one spot in 5th place showing.

DubPerryman

Pacing Mule wrote: »

Is it confirmed that 6th place gets Europa League now ? All the tables I have seen only have the one spot in 5th place showing.

There's one spot for 5th place, there's one for the FA Cup (winner or runner-up) and there's one spot for the League Cup (winner only). If the winner of the League Cup has already qualified for Europe, the spot goes to the next team in the league.

Pacing Mule

Presumably it is still mathematically possible for city to drop to 6th so tables aren't reflecting it.

mushykeogh

Not inconceivable that we end up with 70 points again this season?

DubPerryman

I personally can't see Arsenal having less than 75 points come the end of the season. We'd really need City and Everton to beat them, but in doing so Everton will become favourites for 4th.

Can we get 19 points from our remaining 7 fixtures???

I don't think so.

gar

It's the hope that kills you

irishmover

gar wrote: »

It's the hope that kills you

Well then we're grand coz there's no hope

irishmover

I said it a couple of months ago when we were still in the hunt for top 4 that March is absolutely vital. 6 games in March including the Europa League. 1 win 1 draw and 4 defeats.

That in my opinion has been the killer blow for our season.

We'll finish 7th which will be a good change to not having European football to worry about. Means there'll be more Saturday games so I'll see more games next season!

DildoFaggins

No Europa league please most pointless and useless competition ever
go to some ****hole in eastern europe on a thursday night and crap pitches and nice jetlag to go along and your expected to play the saturday at noon **** off.

Look at Newcastle and Liverpool this season compared to last.

Pacing Mule

irishmover wrote: »

I said it a couple of months ago when we were still in the hunt for top 4 that March is absolutely vital. 6 games in March including the Europa League. 1 win 1 draw and 4 defeats.

That in my opinion has been the killer blow for our season.

We'll finish 7th which will be a good change to not having European football to worry about. Means there'll be more Saturday games so I'll see more games next season!

Would 7th still possibly put us in Europa if Arsenal win FA cup ?

Does the Europa spot go to the runners up if they are already in CL ?

Or if they finish 5th and are already in Europa does the FA cup spot go to runners up or league ?

fabvinny

dont want us to finish in a position that qualifies us for europa league! its a disaster of a competition! look at our results this season after playing on thursday nights!! brutal!
we have no business even thinking of being in the champions league anytime soon unless enic **** off and we get a big investor!
something rotten going on at spurs at the moment...

irishmover

Pacing Mule wrote: »

Would 7th still possibly put us in Europa if Arsenal win FA cup ?

Does the Europa spot go to the runners up if they are already in CL ?

Or if they finish 5th and are already in Europa does the FA cup spot go to runners up or league ?

Pretty sure EL goes to runner up in FA cup and not in Capital one cup.

DubPerryman

irishmover wrote: »

Pretty sure EL goes to runner up in FA cup and not in Capital one cup.

This is true.

Glebee

If we cant compete in Europa then surely we just get spanked in Champions league. Were miles behind top four any way so maybe Europa is our level for a European trophy sadly:(

Pacing Mule

irishmover wrote: »

Pretty sure EL goes to runner up in FA cup and not in Capital one cup.

But if the cup winner already had a Europa league spot which one would they not use.

irishmover

Pacing Mule wrote: »

But if the cup winner already had a Europa league spot which one would they not use.

5th spot gets EL.

Carling cup winner gets EL but if they already have European football then it goes to 6th spot.

FA cup gives winner EL. If they already have European spot it goes to runner up. If runner up already has European it goes to 7th spot. I think Arsenal are only team left with European football next season so it won't be going to 7th.

Does that clear it up? Pretty sure that's right anyway.

Pacing Mule

irishmover wrote: »

5th spot gets EL.

Carling cup winner gets EL but if they already have European football then it goes to 6th spot.

FA cup gives winner EL. If they already have European spot it goes to runner up. If runner up already has European it goes to 7th spot. I think Arsenal are only team left with European football next season so it won't be going to 7th.

Does that clear it up? Pretty sure that's right anyway.

Kind of but I think you are missing out on one aspect.

If arsenal were to finish 5th in the league and not take the Europa league spot for 5th place because they are taking the Europa league spot as FA cup winners....

DubPerryman

Pacing Mule wrote: »

If arsenal were to finish 5th in the league and not take the Europa league spot for 5th place because they are taking the Europa league spot as FA cup winners....

That's a good point. Let's hope Hull win the FA Cup!

Pacing Mule

DubPerryman wrote: »

That's a good point. Let's hope Hull win the FA Cup!

There may also be a potential scenario where man utd finish in Europa league spot, win the champions league, drop 4th place in premier league to Europa spot instead which again would most likely be Arsenal. Very long shot though !

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Pacing Mule wrote: »

There may also be a potential scenario where man utd finish in Europa league spot, win the champions league, drop 4th place in premier league to Europa spot instead which again would most likely be Arsenal. Very long shot though !

I'd be fairly sure that if United win the CL there'd be 5 English teams in the CL next season.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Pacing Mule wrote: »

Kind of but I think you are missing out on one aspect.

If arsenal were to finish 5th in the league and not take the Europa league spot for 5th place because they are taking the Europa league spot as FA cup winners....

.....then the EL spot would go to the runners up.

The way I see it is if we finished 7th we'll have no European football. If we finished 6th (or higher) we will have European football.
United, Arsenal, the FA nor UEFA can change that, unless of course I am mistaken.

KingdomYid

THFC wrote: »

I'd be fairly sure that if United win the CL there'd be 5 English teams in the CL next season.

No if they win it 4th in the league will drop out, same as what happened to us when Chelsea finished 6th and won it.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

KingdomYid wrote: »

No if they win it 4th in the league will drop out, same as what happened to us when Chelsea finished 6th and won it.

I'd be nearly certain that new rules were brought it so that if, for example, United won the CL and finished 6th, UEFA would give them a place in the qualifying stage, rather than the FA giving them their 4th place.
This means that there would potentially be 5 English teams in the CL were it to happen.

KingdomYid

THFC wrote: »

I'd be nearly certain that new rules were brought it so that if, for example, United won the CL and finished 6th, UEFA would give them a place in the qualifying stage, rather than the FA giving them their 4th place.
This means that there would potentially be 5 English teams in the CL were it to happen.

This would be typically our luck, the rules were changed when Liverpool did it so it would not happen again and now you are telling me they changed the rule again :mad:

Leinstersqspur

United winning the Champions League? Hahahaha haha hahaha

Give over, you lads must be reading to many British tabloids!

My money's on Madrid.:cool::cool:

same ol sh1te

Leinstersqspur wrote: »

United winning the Champions League? Hahahaha haha hahaha

Give over, you lads must be reading to many British tabloids!

My money's on Madrid.:cool::cool:

Chelsea won it without playing good football, it's possible

Leinstersqspur

same ol sh1te wrote: »

Chelsea won it without playing good football, it's possible

Chelsea had the human freak Drogba.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

KingdomYid wrote: »

This would be typically our luck, the rules were changed when Liverpool did it so it would not happen again and now you are telling me they changed the rule again :mad:

Apologies, I'm completely wrong! Don't know why I thought they changed it again!

UEFA Champions League

The top four teams in the Barclays Premier League qualify for the UEFA Champions League.
English winners of the UEFA Champions League finishing outside the top four places (but who qualify for the UEFA Europa League through their domestic Barclays Premier League position) go forward as Winners to the group stage along with domestic champions, runners-up and third place.
No extra domestic place can be gained by winning the UEFA Champions League, therefore the team finishing fourth drops to the UEFA Europa League.
English winners of the UEFA Champions League who do not qualify through their domestic position go forward as Winners to the group stage, with the team finishing fourth dropping to the UEFA Europa League. In this case, the national association of the title-holder is entitled to one additional place in the UEFA Europa League.

Only 4 places max for the CL, so if United win it in 6th, 4th and 5th gets EL (along with FA Cup winner/runner-up). Once United finish 6th we're nearly guaranteed not to get EL next year.

Apologies for the confusion lads

Pacing Mule

THFC wrote: »

Apologies, I'm completely wrong! Don't know why I thought they changed it again!

UEFA Champions League



Only 4 places max for the CL, so if United win it in 6th, 4th and 5th gets EL (along with FA Cup winner/runner-up). Once United finish 6th we're nearly guaranteed not to get EL next year.

Apologies for the confusion lads

I'm yet to see anywhere where it is defined in concrete what happens when a club secures 2 Europa league spots. (The Arsenal FA cup win and finishing 5th or 4th with a Man Utd champions league win) I know the obvious answer is the runner up of the cup gets it but if the cup spot is given the priority in the allocation process then the cup spot is taken by the winner leaving the premier league spot to be passed down.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Pacing Mule wrote: »

I'm yet to see anywhere where it is defined in concrete what happens when a club secures 2 Europa league spots. (The Arsenal FA cup win and finishing 5th or 4th with a Man Utd champions league win) I know the obvious answer is the runner up of the cup gets it but if the cup spot is given the priority in the allocation process then the cup spot is taken by the winner leaving the premier league spot to be passed down.

UEFA Europa League

There are three places in the UEFA Europa League available: the FA Cup winners will enter at the Group Stage; the fifth place team in the Barclays Premier League will enter at the Play-Off stage; and the Football League Cup winners will enter at the Q3 stage.
In the event the FA Cup winners are qualified for the UEFA Champions League the FA Cup runners-up will qualify, but in the place reserved for the lowest ranking Barclays Premier League representative. The place with direct access to the Group Stage will be given to the club that finishes in the highest position in the Barclays Premier League of the clubs qualifying for the UEFA Europa League.
English winners of the UEFA Europa League will enter at the Group Stage, gaining an extra domestic place only if they fail to qualify through other means for the UEFA Champions League or UEFA Europa League. If the holders of the UEFA Europa League have already qualified for Europe, no extra domestic place will be gained.
Should the FA Cup winners, runners-up (if applicable) and the Football League Cup winners already have qualified for Europe, their place goes to the next best placed clubs in the Premier League.

See the bit in bold, I imagine that applies if the team are qualified for the EL also. But as you say, I can't find it anywhere.

But... It dones't feckin matter, we've more chance of finishing 3rd than United do of winning the CL. :pac:

mickman

Looks like no Europe for us thankfully

abff

THFC wrote: »

See the bit in bold, I imagine that applies if the team are qualified for the EL also. But as you say, I can't find it anywhere.

But... It dones't feckin matter, we've more chance of finishing 3rd than United do of winning the CL. :pac:

I don't think so. If Arsenal finish 5th and win the FA Cup, then they will play in the Europa League and 6th and 7th will also qualify.

Anyway, all irrelevant as we are going to win our last six matches and finish 4th.:cool: