Gareth Bale to Real Madrid - world record fee

bishopmuzorewa

That's the thing now. Everyone knows that Suarez wants out of Liverpool..if I was arsenal I'd go back in with 50m in jan to unsettle him even more...

rob316

bishopmuzorewa wrote: »

That's the thing now. Everyone knows that Suarez wants out of Liverpool..if I was arsenal I'd go back in with 50m in jan to unsettle him even more...

Liverpool finished 8th in the league last year and Arsenal 4th and were considered rivals. Both are riding high the league right now and you think Liverpool would sanction a sale to Arsenal in January???....Dream on:rolleyes:

rob316

Corholio wrote: »

He's started 2 games and completed none. Not even a lame circus analogy can justify writing him off yet.

Its not an analogy, rm is a total circus. How else can you justify such money on a player like Bale. There was 2 stand out world class players in the epl last year, suarez and rvp and real madrid didnt buy either. Perez fell hook, line and sinker for the media portrayal of him.
He was great for Spurs last year they would have finished nowhere without him thats for sure.

Better players have failed in that club in recent times like Owen, Snjeider, Robben.

I feel sorry for Bale, his career could be ruined if he doesnt hit the ground soon and he could be back playing in the epl before you know it with the label as the worst football transfer ever.

ThunbergsAreGo

bishopmuzorewa wrote: »

That's the thing now. Everyone knows that Suarez wants out of Liverpool..if I was arsenal I'd go back in with 50m in jan to unsettle him even more...

If he plays like he did yesterday, hell be getting Champions League at Liverpool

bishopmuzorewa

naughtb4 wrote: »

If he plays like he did yesterday, hell be getting Champions League at Liverpool

He won't and every pool supporter knows that. They will rival Everton for 6th or 7th

EuropeanSon

bishopmuzorewa wrote: »

He won't and every pool supporter knows that. They will rival Everton for 6th or 7th

I wouldn't rule them out. Nobody besides Arsenal/Chelsea/City will be winning the league, but the remaining CL spot is up for grabs. Pool, Utd and Spurs could all get it, with Pool and Utd marginally more likely than Spurs IMO.

bishopmuzorewa

bishopmuzorewa wrote: »

He won't and every pool supporter knows that. They will rival Everton for 6th or 7th

Nobody can tell for sure. There's 9 games gone, it's still mathematically possible.

bishopmuzorewa

EuropeanSon wrote: »

I wouldn't rule them out. Nobody besides Arsenal/Chelsea/City will be winning the league, but the remaining CL spot is up for grabs. Pool, Utd and Spurs could all get it, with Pool and Utd marginally more likely than Spurs IMO.

How can you rule arsenal in to winning the league and rule the champions out. I understand your an arsenal supporter but please take the tinted glasses off.

gosplan

KingdomYid wrote: »

Oh did you not get the memo? Arsenal are now the best squad in the world due to the signing of a certain German from Madrid.

Didn't think there were actually people that used phrases like

'Did you not get the memo'

gosplan

rarnes1 wrote: »

Both are world class.

Bale isn't. He has the potential to be.

But it's not for football reasons.

Bale is marketable. Suarez is better but no way would Madrid fork out the sane cash for a racist bitey buck tooth guy.

Bale is white, British, and really marketable around the world. That's what Madrid are paying for.

Not a hope in hell a black player would go for the same money, regardless of talent.

Suarez is better but no way would Madrid fork out the sane cash for a racist bitey buck tooth guy.

Classy

Not a hope in hell a black player would go for the same money, regardless of talent.

klose

gosplan wrote: »

But it's not for football reasons.

Bale is marketable. Suarez is better but no way would Madrid fork out the sane cash for a racist bitey buck tooth guy.

Bale is white, British, and really marketable around the world. That's what Madrid are paying for.

Not a hope in hell a black player would go for the same money, regardless of talent.

Suarez isint even black? Hes the same skin tone as the marketable ronaldo.

MD1990

gosplan wrote: »

But it's not for football reasons.

Bale is marketable. Suarez is better but no way would Madrid fork out the sane cash for a racist bitey buck tooth guy.

Bale is white, British, and really marketable around the world. That's what Madrid are paying for.

Not a hope in hell a black player would go for the same money, regardless of talent.

lol ridicolous comments there
what about all the huge NFL & NBA stars who are all black & Tiger Woods

gosplan

bishopmuzorewa wrote: »

How can you rule arsenal in to winning the league and rule the champions out. I understand your an arsenal supporter but please take the tinted glasses off.

I think Man U won't be able to match Chelsea for just grinding out victories this season.

I don't think Arsenal will either though

MD1990

MD1990 wrote: »

lol ridicolous comments there
what about all the huge NFL & NBA stars who are all black & Tiger Woods

you couldn't make it up!

Dcully

gosplan wrote: »

But it's not for football reasons.

Bale is marketable. Suarez is better but no way would Madrid fork out the sane cash for a racist bitey buck tooth guy.

Bale is white, British, and really marketable around the world. That's what Madrid are paying for.

Not a hope in hell a black player would go for the same money, regardless of talent.

The mind boggles :rolleyes:

gosplan

MD1990 wrote: »

lol ridicolous comments there
what about all the huge NFL & NBA stars who are all black & Tiger Woods

They're not global sports and Woods is an anomaly.

Oat23

gosplan wrote: »

They're not global sports and Woods is an anomaly.

You're making yourself look silly now. The NBA is global. They play games in London every year and pre-season games on every continent. This pre-season marked the first game in South America and I'm sure that will be a regular thing now.

PS: You should be banned for your opinion on black/brown people not being able to be as successful as a white man. It's really offensive.

ThunbergsAreGo

bishopmuzorewa wrote: »

He won't and every pool supporter knows that. They will rival Everton for 6th or 7th

As much chance as him going to Arsenal. Pretty sure if he bagged a hattrick in every game wed compete for fourth

I like Bale and hope he succeeeds, just dont think Ancelotti really knows what to do with Real Madrid at the moment.
Its not Bales fault they sold Ozil/Higuan to pay for him

gosplan

Oat23 wrote: »

You're making yourself look silly now. The NBA is global. They play games in London every year and pre-season games on every continent. This pre-season marked the first game in South America and I'm sure that will be a regular thing now.

Sorry but I'm not.

Madrid are looking for the next David Beckham or Christiano Ronaldo. Somebody who doesn't even need to play to make them money.

All I'm saying is that that person won't be black.

You're entitled to disagree.

gosplan

Oat23 wrote: »

You're making yourself look silly now. The NBA is global. They play games in London every year and pre-season games on every continent. This pre-season marked the first game in South America and I'm sure that will be a regular thing now.

PS: You should be banned for your opinion on black/brown people not being able to be as successful as a white man. It's really offensive.

Then report me.

What I'm saying is football and its global support has a racist bias.

LuckyLloyd

Lots of bad posting in this thread. Here's reality:

Cristiano Ronaldo 2009 / 2010: 35 Games; 33 Goals; 7 Assists

That's the 'settling in' season standard. Bale will fall short.

JohnFalstaff

gosplan wrote: »

But it's not for football reasons.

Bale is marketable. Suarez is better but no way would Madrid fork out the sane cash for a racist bitey buck tooth guy.

Bale is white, British, and really marketable around the world. That's what Madrid are paying for.

Not a hope in hell a black player would go for the same money, regardless of talent.

This is pretty offensive stuff, and completely wrong-headed. Suarez isn't black for a start.

AdamD

Oat23 wrote: »

You're making yourself look silly now. The NBA is global. They play games in London every year and pre-season games on every continent. This pre-season marked the first game in South America and I'm sure that will be a regular thing now.

PS: You should be banned for your opinion on black/brown people not being able to be as successful as a white man. It's really offensive.

You really aren't getting his point, are you?

if you think what hes saying is racist then you genuinely don't understand his point at all

gosplan

gosplan wrote: »

Sorry but I'm not.

Madrid are looking for the next David Beckham or Christiano Ronaldo. Somebody who doesn't even need to play to make them money.

All I'm saying is that that person won't be black.

You're entitled to disagree.

You think he'll make them much money if he is in and out of the team/playing poorly?

Strange posting

gosplan

JohnFalstaff wrote: »

This is pretty offensive stuff, and completely wrong-headed. Suarez isn't black for a start.

Sorry, no intention to offend.

It's all about marketability. None of it is personal opinion.

Suarez after the World Cup semi, his racist charge, his appearance, his biting incidents, is kind of a global bad guy and that will affect Madrid's valuation.

gosplan

rarnes1 wrote: »

You think he'll make them much money if he is in and out of the team/playing poorly?

Strange posting

What I'm saying is the profit they make from said player won't be linked to CL or domestic prize money.

Christ, am I going nuts here? Did everyone fall asleep and miss Beckhams career or something?

EuropeanSon

bishopmuzorewa wrote: »

How can you rule arsenal in to winning the league and rule the champions out. I understand your an arsenal supporter but please take the tinted glasses off.

8 points off already, and no direction, and no Fergie, and barely beat Stoke.

Arsenal are a distant 3rd favourites at that, by the way. The glasses aren't very tinted.

Gbear

There's just no ****ing way Bale will be worth enough in terms of marketability to offset the ludicrous fee.

It would've been worth far more to them to win the league and and the CL. Suarez and Ozil would've pushed them towards that.

Signing Bale is a step backwards.

JohnFalstaff

gosplan wrote: »

Sorry, no intention to offend.

It's all about marketability. None of it is personal opinion.

Suarez after the World Cup semi, his racist charge, his appearance, his biting incidents, is kind of a global bad guy and that will affect Madrid's valuation.

I agree with you as regards Suarez's market appeal due to questionable character traits. Don't see how equating him as black comes into it? Maybe I misinterpreted the post and there are two separate issues at play.

Ronaldo is one of the most marketable stars in world football and his skin tone is similar to Suarez. The Gillette worldwide campaign featured Woods, Federer and Thierry Henry. Will Smith is one of the biggest box office draws.

I don't think race precludes international appeal.

Oat23

AdamD wrote: »

You really aren't getting his point, are you?

if you think what hes saying is racist then you genuinely don't understand his point at all

I am getting his point. The problem is that his point is 1) Backward, offensive and insensitive and 2) 100% wrong.

Tiger Woods has been mentioned as a marketable black athlete. What about LeBron, Kobe, the Williams sisters, Michael Jordan.. In soccer you have dozens of players just as marketable as a Welsh lad. I could roll off some names, but why not just name one guy of a similar age that also moved to Spain this summer that is even more marketable than Bale. Neymar.

Aside from being racist, the post is wrong. Just because someones skin is a different colour doesn't mean they are worth less to a club.

gosplan

Gbear wrote: »

There's just no ****ing way Bale will be worth enough in terms of marketability to offset the ludicrous fee.

It would've been worth far more to them to win the league and and the CL. Suarez and Ozil would've pushed them towards that.

Signing Bale is a step backwards.

Completely but I don't think Madrid think that way.

Not sure about offsetting the fee though. Say he's as productive as Ozil. You've 40 something million to make up. They'd go that no problem.

There was a great piece posted some time ago about Zidane's move to Madrid and how it paid itself back so well regardless of how he did on the pitch.

Can't find it now but was great read.

Also Madrid take half of all rights deals once said player signs. It's also good for the player though cause they can get them great deals in the first place.

pickarooney

gosplan wrote: »

Sorry, no intention to offend.

It's all about marketability. None of it is personal opinion.

Suarez after the World Cup semi, his racist charge, his appearance, his biting incidents, is kind of a global bad guy and that will affect Madrid's valuation.

Gareth Bale isn't exactly a sex symbol though, is he?

gosplan

JohnFalstaff wrote: »

I agree with you as regards Suarez's market appeal due to questionable character traits. Don't see how equating him as black comes into it? Maybe I misinterpreted the post and there are two separate issues at play.

Ronaldo is one of the most marketable stars in world football and his skin tone is similar to Suarez. The Gillette worldwide campaign featured Woods, Federer and Thierry Henry. Will Smith is one of the biggest box office draws.

I don't think race precludes international appeal.

It's not Suarez skin tone I was referring to. He's just unmarketable in terms of looks and reputation.

My point is that like Suarez, an African player will never be the next David Beckham.

gosplan

Oat23 wrote: »

I am getting his point. The problem is that his point is 1) Backward, offensive and insensitive and 2) 100% wrong.

Tiger Woods has been mentioned as a marketable black athlete. What about LeBron, Kobe, the Williams sisters, Michael Jordan.. In soccer you have dozens of players just as marketable as a Welsh lad. I could roll off some names, but why not just name one guy of a similar age that also moved to Spain this summer that is even more marketable than Bale. Neymar.

Aside from being racist, the post is wrong. Just because someones skin is a different colour doesn't mean they are worth less to a club.

It's not a racist post.

It's a post that says that football is racist.

gosplan

pickarooney wrote: »

Gareth Bale isn't exactly a sex symbol though, is he?

Go to Korea or Japan where they have 'British' look shops and you'll see what I mean.

Red Crow

JohnFalstaff wrote: »

I agree with you as regards Suarez's market appeal due to questionable character traits. Don't see how equating him as black comes into it? Maybe I misinterpreted the post and there are two separate issues at play.

Ronaldo is one of the most marketable stars in world football and his skin tone is similar to Suarez. The Gillette worldwide campaign featured Woods, Federer and Thierry Henry. Will Smith is one of the biggest box office draws.

I don't think race precludes international appeal.

Suarez skin tone has nothing to do with marketability. His whole handling of the racism scandal was completely wrong and in modern days nobody or no company wants to associate themselves with a racist or someone accused of racism. For a player of Suarez ability he is not very marketable as he makes it very difficult for people to like him or look to him as a role model.

Add to that his list of dives, cheating incidents etc and he becomes a lot of work to market. He's also at that stage where even if he cleans up his act now he'll still be judged in the same manner as he is now. You're not going to buy Suarez for his marketability, you're going to buy him for his undoubted football talent.

gosplan

Look I'm done with this now.

If anyone thinks that...

A: football is not racist

B: an African or African ethnicity player will be the next Beckham or Ronaldo

You're entitled to disagree with me. You are wrong though.

Francie Barrett

gosplan wrote: »

My point is that like Suarez, an African player will never be the next David Beckham.

Post reported :pac:

I am kidding, obviously.

pickarooney

gosplan wrote: »

Go to Korea or Japan where they have 'British' look shops and you'll see what I mean.

I'm probably not going to go that far to find out what you mean. Are you saying that Bale is unnaturally good-looking or that he's a decent footballer and moderately attractive and white and that combination is enough?

Oranage2

gosplan wrote: »

Look I'm done with this now.

If anyone thinks that...

A: football is not racist

B: an African or African ethnicity player will be the next Beckham or Ronaldo

You're entitled to disagree with me. You are wrong though.

This is true

Asians want to see Asians

Blacks want to see blacks

Whites want to see whites


White countries are rich so it makes white sportsman more marketable


It also goes for modeling and movie stars too

gosplan

Last point..

No one thinks it odd that the weirdest looking player (Ozil) was the one Madrid let go and that this doesn't make sense for football reasons?

No one thinks it was the blackest member of the Galactico's (Makelele) that was let go and that this didn't make sense for footballing reasons?


It's very naive to think that looks and race don't come into Madrid's thinking.

gosplan

pickarooney wrote: »

I'm probably not going to go that far to find out what you mean. Are you saying that Bale is unnaturally good-looking or that he's a decent footballer and moderately attractive and white and that combination is enough?

Young, British, white, image conscious, very talented.

All of those combined to make his record fee.

People that only consider the 'very talented' part will never understand it.

gosplan

Oranage2 wrote: »

It also goes for modeling and movie stars too

Thank you so much. Never thought of that blindingly obvious point.

Just like Denzel Washington and Morgan Freeman are more likely to be best supporting actors in the biggest films.

pickarooney

gosplan wrote: »

Last point..

No one thinks it odd that the weirdest looking player (Ozil) was the one Madrid let go and that this doesn't make sense for football reasons?

I agree on this. Ozil, bless him, is no matinee idol and selling him made no footballing sense.

No one thinks it was the blackest member of the Galactico's (Makelele) that was let go and that this didn't make sense for footballing reasons?

Makelele himself was not objectively a handsome man (although he certainly did all right for himself) and moreover his role was not one that made the heart of the casual fan beat. I don't see that him being white would make a difference.

It's very naive to think that looks and race don't come into Madrid's thinking.

I don't necessarily disagree with you that race can affect a player's marketability but you'd need to provide examples of beautiful, highly talented black players who don't attract marketeers to make the point stick.

Dolph Starbeam

gosplan wrote: »

It's not Suarez skin tone I was referring to. He's just unmarketable in terms of looks and reputation.

My point is that like Suarez, an African player will never be the next David Beckham.

Not every Madrid player is signed with marketability in mind, yes they usually have a couple but not everyone. Was Di Maria signed for his marketability? Pepe?

If they did sign Suarez they could offset a lot of the cost by selling Benzema. It just makes so much sense. Probably makes too much sense for Perez to do it.

EuropeanSon

Henry did a fairly reasonable job of making himself a fortune through marketing. Last I checked, he was black. Zidane was Algerian.

gosplan

Oat23 wrote: »

You're making yourself look silly now. The NBA is global. They play games in London every year and pre-season games on every continent. This pre-season marked the first game in South America and I'm sure that will be a regular thing now.

Find the ratio of black NFL players to white.

Then find the ratio of black NFL quarterbacks to white.

Then tell me who's racist.

gosplan

EuropeanSon wrote: »

Henry did a fairly reasonable job of making himself a fortune through marketing. Last I checked, he was black. Zidane was Algerian.

Yes I know.

I'm not saying that a coloured player can't market themselves, just that Madrid won't pay 100 million for one due to global marketing trends.

Edited to include: similarly Madrid couldn't just sign Brad Pitt and stuck him on the bench. The football thing does come into it.

Mars Bar

This has gone well off topic so let's get back to Bale playing football with Real Madrid please.