Aston Villa v Liverpool 5.30 pm (Sky Sports 1)

OwaynOTT

If we win today, Liverpool that is, it will leave us with a ppg this season of 3.0. If we can keep that up, surely we are in with a chance of pipping Spurs to 4th.
Although considering they have AVB, they could top that ppg tally and have the players to do that.


Should be a good game. Villa were very impressive against Chelsea and despite Liverpool's win in the opener, they are still vulnerable to a quick break through the middle.
Liverpool need to score early and for the players to be more clinical.
I honestly think it's Villa's game to lose.

COYVB

OwaynOTT wrote: »

If we win today, Liverpool that is, it will leave us with a ppg this season of 3.0. If we can keep that up, surely we are in with a chance of pipping Spurs to 4th.
Although considering they have AVB, they could top that ppg tally and have the players to do that.

I think you need to take a look at your maths again... if liverpool keep up a ppg of 3.0 they'll win the league by virtue of winning every match. And how do you propose spurs top liverpools 3.0 ppg? given that they'd have lost twice to liverpool (and the fact that it's impossible to get more than 3 points per game)

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:P

OwaynOTT

COYVB wrote: »

I think you need to take a look at your maths again... if liverpool keep up a ppg of 3.0 they'll win the league by virtue of winning every match. And how do you propose spurs top liverpools 3.0 ppg? given that they'd have lost twice to liverpool (and the fact that it's impossible to get more than 3 points per game)

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:P

Simple. One reason. AVB and Solaldo.

COYVB

OwaynOTT wrote: »

Simple. One reason. AVB and Solaldo.

Wait... that's a serious answer? You reckon Spurs can get MORE than 3 points per game?

Gbear

I have absolutely no idea how this game is going to go.

It's far to early to have a sense of what Liverpool are going to be like this season.

It does appear that Villa are a much better side than last season. With the horrible start they've been given I'd imagine they'd be happy enough with any points at all from their opening 3 games. Winning today would give them a really solid base on which to build a season challenging for european places.

I'm not convinced they'd have enough strength in depth to pull it off though. Very shallow squad. It does seem pretty clear that if Benteke got injured they'd be seriously ****ed. Agbonlahor is grand but he's not going to score 15+ league goals.

COYVB

Gbear wrote: »

Agbonlahor is grand but he's not going to score 15+ league goals.

It's a front 3, Weimann and Agbonlahor are good for 10-12 each. The problem is we don't score enough from midfield

Gbear

COYVB wrote: »

It's a front 3, Weimann and Agbonlahor are good for 10-12 each. The problem is we don't score enough from midfield

That's fine so long as Benteke stays fit. And I have no particular reason to believe he wont. But it's somewhat precarious.

COYVB

COYVB wrote: »

Wait... that's a serious answer? You reckon Spurs can get MORE than 3 points per game?

There's bonus points for honours Maths

jamaamaj

OwaynOTT wrote: »

Simple. One reason. AVB and Solaldo.

And what have both proved in the league?
AVB was sacked by chelsea and fell out with players.
Soldaldo unproven, yes he scores lots of goals in la liga, but he's 28 and he never made it at real mardid.

Neil3030

COYVB wrote: »

Wait... that's a serious answer? You reckon Spurs can get MORE than 3 points per game?

Have you not heard of the new bonus point rule? Dude it's been all over the news all summer. Have you been in a cave?

COYVB

Gbear wrote: »

That's fine so long as Benteke stays fit. And I have no particular reason to believe he wont. But it's somewhat precarious.

There's also helenius to come in. Similar scoring record to benteke in a similar league before joining, and regarded as a better finisher than benteke (though the chances of being even half the player are slim to none). So he's an unknown quantity. Did very well in preseason though

COYVB

jamaamaj wrote: »

Soldaldo unproven, yes he scores lots of goals in la liga, but he's 28 and he never made it at real mardid.

And bizarrely, they opted not to spend the same amount on benteke when it would've gotten him

Frankie Lee

COYVB wrote: »

There's also helenius to come in. Similar scoring record to benteke in a similar league before joining, and regarded as a better finisher than benteke (though the chances of being even half the player are slim to none). So he's an unknown quantity. Did very well in preseason though

Can't wait until Villa play a 4-2-4 against weaker opposition with Helenius and Benteke being flanked by Weimann and Gabby.

Nuri Sahin

jamaamaj wrote: »

And what have both proved in the league?
AVB was sacked by chelsea and fell out with players.
Soldaldo unproven, yes he scores lots of goals in la liga, but he's 28 and he never made it at real mardid.

A lot of mangers were sacked at Chelsea. Roman wanted a new brand of football with a younger core and got sacked for doing so. A few players at the club weren't going to give Villas Boas the time of day.

Soldado was never ever going to be given a chance at Real Madrid like many Real Madrid youth players were never given a chance.

Anyway, this is OT so I'll stop

COYVB

Frankie Lee wrote: »

Can't wait until Villa play a 4-2-4 against weaker opposition with Helenius and Benteke being flanked by Weimann and Gabby.

Not sure we'll ever see that TBH, even a weaker side would dominate that lineup by playing 5 in the middle

jamaamaj

COYVB wrote: »

And bizarrely, they opted not to spend the same amount on benteke when it would've gotten him

Nothing bizarrely about it all, sure they are getting Bale. He's ment to be good i hear.

Nuri Sahin

jamaamaj wrote: »

Any goalkeeper to be MOTM 16/1
I'm looking at you Guzman.
I'll have a 5er on that.

I've been raking it in over the past year and a bit in this market and trust me, it's rare enough a keeper wins MOTM.

jamaamaj

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

A lot of mangers were sacked at Chelsea. Roman wanted a new brand of football with a younger core and got sacked for doing so. A few players at the club weren't going to give Villas Boas the time of day.

Soldado was never ever going to be given a chance at Real Madrid like many Real Madrid youth players were never given a chance.

Anyway, this is OT so I'll stop

But if he was all that, surley he would have made it at real? no.

Courtesy Flush

Sturridge, Coutinho and Aspas should be too much for the Villa defence to handle
Obviously we need to keep Benteke from getting chances

Turtyturd

OwaynOTT wrote: »

If we win today, Liverpool that is, it will leave us with a ppg this season of 3.0. If we can keep that up, surely we are in with a chance of pipping Spurs to 4th.
Although considering they have AVB, they could top that ppg tally and have the players to do that.


Should be a good game. Villa were very impressive against Chelsea and despite Liverpool's win in the opener, they are still vulnerable to a quick break through the middle.
Liverpool need to score early and for the players to be more clinical.
I honestly think it's Villa's game to lose.

Once Mata and Ozil are signed it should be enough to counteract the AVB/Soldado effect.

COYVB

jamaamaj wrote: »

Nothing bizarrely about it all, sure they are getting Bale. He's ment to be good i hear.

Spurs are signing Bale? That was a short stay at Madrid!

Nuri Sahin

jamaamaj wrote: »

But if he was all that, surley he would have made it at real? no.

I've answered this above..

They don't give their youngsters a proper chance if any at all. Real opt for spending stupid money on foreign players or Spanish players from other clubs because they're daft. In some cases, they end up selling them and then buying them back. Reference Arbeloa and Carvajal as two recent examples of this..

Mata never made it Real if you want someone a little closer to home so to speak. Javi Garcia is another one who is at Man City too.

I wouldn't hold it against Soldado not making it at Real whatsoever.

jamaamaj

COYVB wrote: »

Spurs are signing Bale? That was a short stay at Madrid!

On a new contract? no Chance.!
Spurs won't replace his match winning games.

COYVB

jamaamaj wrote: »

On a new contract? no Chance.!
Spurs won't replace his match winning games.

You just said they were signing him

(Note: When I said it was bizarre that they didn't sign Benteke for the price of Soldado, I was talking about Spurs, who instead bid way too low then walked away and spent almost double what they bid on him on a 28 year old)

jamaamaj

COYVB wrote: »

You just said they were signing him

(Note: When I said it was bizarre that they didn't sign Benteke for the price of Soldado, I was talking about Spurs, who instead bid way too low then walked away and spent almost double what they bid on him on a 28 year old)

Where did i say this

In any way this is a villa/liverpool match thread.

5starpool

Unchanged for LFC.

#LFC XI v #AVFC: Mignolet - Johnson, Toure, Agger Enrique - Lucas Gerrard - Henderson, Aspas, Coutinho - Sturridge

Nuri Sahin

Liverpool XI vs Villa: Mignolet, Johnson, Toure, Agger, Enrique, Lucas, Gerrard, Henderson, Coutinho, Aspas, Sturridge

Dont be at yourself

5starpool wrote: »

Unchanged for LFC.

#LFC XI v #AVFC: Mignolet - Johnson, Toure, Agger Enrique - Lucas Gerrard - Henderson, Aspas, Coutinho - Sturridge

Our strongest team until Suarez gets back. Should make for a good game.

OwaynOTT

Turtyturd wrote: »

Once Mata and Ozil are signed it should be enough to counteract the AVB/Soldado effect.

They will certainly give us a boast. Difficult to see where they will fit though bar injuries.

mike65

As I called it on the OP (no genius required really! :pac:)

Liverpool subs: Jones, Wisdom, Cissokho, Allen, Alberto, Sterling, Borini.

Turtyturd

OwaynOTT wrote: »

They will certainly give us a boast. Difficult to see where they will fit though bar injuries.

True...but even their presence on the bench would translate into a PPG bump of about .5....bringing us up to 3.5ppg .

Nuri Sahin

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

Liverpool XI vs Villa: Mignolet, Johnson, Toure, Agger, Enrique, Lucas, Gerrard, Henderson, Coutinho, Aspas, Sturridge

Villa XI vs Liverpool: Guzan, Lowton, Vlaar, Okore, Luna, Bacuna, Westwood, Agbonlahor, Delph, Benteke, Weimann.

Frankie Lee

Bacuna in for KEA, more pace for more counter attacking.

Dont be at yourself

Turtyturd wrote: »

True...but even their presence on the bench would translate into a PPG bump of about .5....bringing us up to 3.5ppg .

Wouldn't be against loaning them to Napoli for the season either. Can't have players on £200k/week sitting on the bench, even if they do get us 3.5ppg.

messinkiapina

Bad feeling about this one. There will be goals and I think Villa will nick it.

Corholio

Bacuna for El Ahmadi is an interesting one. Good to see us attacking teams at home, in setup at least.

5live

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

Wouldn't be against loaning them to Napoli for the season either. Can't have players on £200k/week sitting on the bench, even if they do get us 3.5ppg.

Do we have to wait for Suarez to be in the squad before we get his +30goals to our goal difference?

OwaynOTT

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

Wouldn't be against loaning them to Napoli for the season either. Can't have players on £200k/week sitting on the bench, even if they do get us 3.5ppg.

Ah but finishing top of the wages saving league gets an extra point per game in the league, bringing it up to 4.00 ppg, which surely would push us just ahead of Spurs even with them doing hons maths and answering all questions in Irish.

Kess73

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

Villa XI vs Liverpool: Guzan, Lowton, Vlaar, Okore, Luna, Bacuna, Westwood, Agbonlahor, Delph, Benteke, Weimann.

No El Ahmadi and Bacuna starting? Villa look like they are coming to fight rather than to sit back and counter.

Decent looking team.

Will be watching to see how Okore looks. Mentioned in the Villa thread earlier in the week that I thought he was not quite ready to be a starter but that I thought he had a lot of potential, so he will most likely turn in a top performance today to spite me:)

Actually feel a bit more confident about the game now that Bacuna is a starter, as I would be more worried about a deep sitting counter attacking Villa team than one that looks to have an attacking more open line up. Be very surprised if either team avoids conceding today.

OwaynOTT

5live wrote: »

Do we have to wait for Suarez to be in the squad before we get his +30goals to our goal difference?

Ah here forgot about that.
Also does the amount of super threads we to thorough affect our ppg or is it more our tpm that will see the benefit?
Either way lads I feel it our year.

livinginkorea

mike65 wrote: »

As I called it on the OP (no genius required really! :pac:)

Liverpool subs: Jones, Wisdom, Cissokho, Allen, Alberto, Sterling, Borini.

Really hope Borini will get some time today as well. Would love to see him get better and better.
Cissokho should get some game time too as well.

kfallon

livinginkorea wrote: »

Really hope Borini will get some time today as well. Would love to see him get better and better.
Cissokho should get some game time too as well.

We all would but it's not gonna happen!

livinginkorea

kfallon wrote: »

We all would but it's not gonna happen!

There's hope yet!

kfallon

livinginkorea wrote: »

There's hope yet!

There's not really.....

passremarkable

Villa have a very average midfield
We should dominate here hopefully

_Kaiser_

Not much enthusiasm in that clapping...

DaveSuarez

Whoever decided it was a good idea to have fans in the studio needs sacking.

As does Jamie Redknapp.

JPA

If Villa maintain their performances from the first 2 matches they'll have a strong chance of the 3 points.

I predict a high intensity game.

COYVB

passremarkable wrote: »

Villa have a very average midfield

Someone's not been watching Westwood and Delph very much this calendar year...

COYVB

jamaamaj wrote: »

Where did i say this

Here:

COYVB wrote: »

And bizarrely, they opted not to spend the same amount on benteke when it would've gotten him

^ In reference to Spurs not signing Benteke

jamaamaj wrote: »

Nothing bizarrely about it all, sure they are getting Bale. He's ment to be good i hear.

^ Your reply

COYVB wrote: »

Spurs are signing Bale? That was a short stay at Madrid!

^ My reply

jamaamaj wrote: »

On a new contract? no Chance.!
Spurs won't replace his match winning games.