Sean O'Rourke Today Show

Callan57

Patricia McKenna trying to find a soapbox & make herself relevant again.

We have an elected parliament, repesentative of the voting population, someone tell me why we need to duplicate that? You might not like some TD but they have been elected and that is democracy.

jay0109

BarryD2 wrote: »

All the usual 'headbangers' will turn up and have a rant. Surprised it got airtime, I suppose just the timing with the anniversary. Was that Patricia McKenna, formerly of the Greens and a former MEP?? Didn't catch the intro.

Well RTE is practically the official broadcaster for the Union movement in Ireland so when they come up with an idea like this, their reps are then guaranteed air time.
And with the Labour party practically wiped out, is it any surprise to see the middle-class Lefties trying to dream up an alternative to the current situation

Roisin Shortall & Soc-Dems who scrupulously avoided going in to government after last election..... complaining government not following Soc-Dems line....

Callan57

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Roisin Shortall & Soc-Dems who scrupulously avoided going in to government after last election..... complaining government not following Soc-Dems line....

I fail to understand how her bill can be cost neutral ... if someone is on maternity, paternity or anyother leave hasn't their work to be covered either by employing a temporary person or paying an existing employee overtime. Either way it's an additional cost.

Unless they are in a non-job of course!

Callan57

Callan57 wrote: »

I fail to understand how her bill can be cost neutral ... if someone is on maternity, paternity or anyother leave hasn't their work to be covered either by employing a temporary person or paying an existing employee overtime. Either way it's an additional cost.

Unless they are in a non-job of course!

Yeah, I was wondering about that. If one of our team is out of course they need to be covered by another.

"cost neutral" is a very loose term in her usage.

Brendan Bendar

Callan57 wrote: »

I fail to understand how her bill can be cost neutral ... if someone is on maternity, paternity or anyother leave hasn't their work to be covered either by employing a temporary person or paying an existing employee overtime. Either way it's an additional cost.

Unless they are in a non-job of course!

How could you even think that C

dulpit

Has anyone noticed that the sound quality for SOR is awful of late? I listen on podcasts, usually through headphones, and their mics seem to pick up so many papers shuffling, mouse clicks, heavy breathing and so on. It doesn't seem to be replicated on any other RTE show I listen to - wonder if it's just SOR himself maybe?

Aska

More from the courts today, it really is a joke at this stage. Why are the judges delaying the judgements so much ? All these ajourned till may etc.. are clogging up the bloddy courts, just deal with the cases on the day.

Mad_maxx

jay0109 wrote: »

Well RTE is practically the official broadcaster for the Union movement in Ireland so when they come up with an idea like this, their reps are then guaranteed air time.
And with the Labour party practically wiped out, is it any surprise to see the middle-class Lefties trying to dream up an alternative to the current situation

Labour are always in government ( even when they are in opposition) thanks to RTE pushing the same agenda

Prioritising the public sector
The advancement of Various "progressive " social causes

Mad_maxx

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Roisin Shortall & Soc-Dems who scrupulously avoided going in to government after last election..... complaining government not following Soc-Dems line....

Biggest hurler on the ditch to ever sit in Dail eireann

Insufferable waffler who is never off the air

Brendan Bendar

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Biggest hurler on the ditch to ever sit in Dail eireann

Insufferable waffler who is never off the air

Hmmmm ... I would respectfully suggest that that title should go to the turfcutter from Roscommon.

Michael Fitzmaurice.

We’d need to do...(.insert any local issue you like)

What we need is( insert any local issue you like)

We must do( insert any local issue you like)

In my opinion.....total imposter.

Mad_maxx

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Hmmmm ... I would respectfully suggest that that title should go to the turfcutter from Roscommon.

Michael Fitzmaurice.

We’d need to do...(.insert any local issue you like)

What we need is( insert any local issue you like)

We must do( insert any local issue you like)

In my opinion.....total imposter.

Fitzmaurice is probably the most authentic TD in the Dail, I think he's fighting an impossible fight re_ breathing life back into rural Ireland but he has an unpolished - no spin realism about him

Brendan Bendar

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Fitzmaurice is probably the most authentic TD in the Dail, I think he's fighting an impossible fight re_ breathing life back into rural Ireland but he has an unpolished - no spin realism about him

Nah, councilor material maybe,but TD .....if Mom and Apple Pie Politics is your bag fair enough.

If pragmatic national politics is required......no hoper.

FrancieBrady

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Nah, councilor material maybe,but TD .....if Mom and Apple Pie Politics is your bag fair enough.

If pragmatic national politics is required......no hoper.

You must not be familiar with the local TD in government handing out the goodies. Not one TD in the Dail is a genuine 'national politician' Brendan. They all feather and warm the nest, so to speak.

Brendan Bendar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You must not be familiar with the local TD in government handing out the goodies. Not one TD in the Dail is a genuine 'national politician' Brendan. They all feather and warm the nest, so to speak.

A fair point Francie, but at least some of those in power have to accept accountability and responsibility for national issues.

Anyone whose main plank is ‘check the wind and see where it is blowing’

then come along with

‘We must do x
‘We need to do y
‘We need to sit down and discuss z

I mean I could roar and shout down the country and claim

“We need better roads
“We need high speed bb
“ We need to support rural Ireland

Without having the slightest input into the IMPLEMENTATION OR COST of doing those tasks.

Waste of time.

Mad_maxx

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

A fair point Francie, but at least some of those in power have to accept accountability and responsibility for national issues.

Anyone whose main plank is ‘check the wind and see where it is blowing’

then come along with

‘We must do x
‘We need to do y
‘We need to sit down and discuss z

I mean I could roar and shout down the country and claim

“We need better roads
“We need high speed bb
“ We need to support rural Ireland

Without having the slightest input into the IMPLEMENTATION OR COST of doing those tasks.

Waste of time.

The number of TD, s who fit that description easily passes a hundred

sligojoek

"The broadcaster hadn't a spokesperson to talk about this."

"They gave us a statement."

It's RTE FFS not MI5.

padd b1975

Bríd Smith trying to equate the construction skills needed to build the National Children's Hospital with those needed to build 1970's council houses...

Jesus wept!

jeremyj1968

padd b1975 wrote: »

Bríd Smith trying to equate the construction skills needed to build the National Children's Hospital with those needed to build 1970's council houses... Jesus wept!

It's a pity her party will never get voted in to Goverment so that she could take up the role as Minister for Hand Wringing

BarryD2

padd b1975 wrote: »

Bríd Smith trying to equate the construction skills needed to build the National Children's Hospital with those needed to build 1970's council houses...

Jesus wept!

What's more - 1970s council houses of the most basic construction. Minimal wiring and plumbing, minimal size and insulation. Damp and draughty.

Never ceases to amaze me when airheads like Smith opine as to why we can't build like we did in the 1930s/ 50s etc. Of course they could be thrown up a la the 1950s, but they would fail in all but the most basic of building and insulation regulations that pertain now.

These people seem to forget that expectations have risen, risen and risen.

Brendan Bendar

padd b1975 wrote: »

Bríd Smith trying to equate the construction skills needed to build the National Children's Hospital with those needed to build 1970's council houses...

Jesus wept!

For a party with so little electoral support they certainly get their voices on RTE.

You had Coppinger on the late debate yesterday

You had Smith on SOR today.

Kind of strange it seems to this poster.

padd b1975

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

For a party with so little electoral support they certainly get their voices on RTE.

You had Coppinger on the late debate yesterday

You had Smith on SOR today.

Kind of strange it seems to this poster.

Indeed.

If it's not a Trot, it's a Shinner taking up prime position on the ditch.

You'd nearly think they've got a bit of "pull" in the radio centre particularly.

Nearly...

xl500

BarryD2 wrote: »

What's more - 1970s council houses of the most basic construction. Minimal wiring and plumbing, minimal size and insulation. Damp and draughty.

Never ceases to amaze me when airheads like Smith opine as to why we can't build like we did in the 1930s/ 50s etc. Of course they could be thrown up a la the 1950s, but they would fail in all but the most basic of building and insulation regulations that pertain now.

These people seem to forget that expectations have risen, risen and risen.

At Least the ones built in the 50s are still standing not like some built during the Boom by shyster developers

serfboard

xl500 wrote: »

At Least the ones built in the 50s are still standing not like some built during the Boom by shyster developers

Or Fire Hazards like Priory Hall.

Brendan Bendar

xl500 wrote: »

At Least the ones built in the 50s are still standing not like some built during the Boom by shyster developers

Bit of a stupid point,my friend,nothing personal,but the fact that they are “still standing”,means nothing.

Like Dalymount Park is still standing...........:rolleyes:

jippo nolan

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

For a party with so little electoral support they certainly get their voices on RTE.

You had Coppinger on the late debate yesterday

You had Smith on SOR today.

Kind of strange it seems to this poster.

They have no problem interviewing that gimp Eamonn Ryan on multiple occasions!

xl500

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Bit of a stupid point,my friend,nothing personal,but the fact that they are “still standing”,means nothing.

Like Dalymount Park is still standing...........:rolleyes:

No I would rather live in a well maintained House in Cabra or Crumlin Or Any of the other 1950s Estates than the Crap Apartments and Houses built during the Boom and when I said they were still standing it was in the context of some of the ones built during the Boom have been pulled down already

I don't think it was a stupid point the Houses built in the 50s were built to the standards of the Day and of course, they don't meet modern day standards but they have served us well unlike some of the current housing stock

Brendan Bendar

xl500 wrote: »

No I would rather live in a well maintained House in Cabra or Crumlin Or Any of the other 1950s Estates than the Crap Apartments and Houses built during the Boom and when I said they were still standing it was in the context of some of the ones built during the Boom have been pulled down already

I don't think it was a stupid point the Houses built in the 50s were built to the standards of the Day and of course, they don't meet modern day standards but they have served us well unlike some of the current housing stock

Listen, I over reacted there, didn’t fully get your ‘drift’.

Please accept my apologies.

jippo nolan

jippo nolan wrote: »

They have no problem interviewing that gimp Eamonn Ryan on multiple occasions!

Greens vs PBP (or what ever theyre calling themselves these days)

The greens actually went into government. And it was awful. And they got the sh*t kicked out of themselves for it.

But they did it, they tried.

The other blowhard knowalls are just ditch hurlers. Thats the difference to me.

HeidiHeidi

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Greens vs PBP (or what ever theyre calling themselves these days)

The greens actually went into government. And it was awful. And they got the sh*t kicked out of themselves for it.

But they did it, they tried.

The other blowhard knowalls are just ditch hurlers. Thats the difference to me.

This, all day long.

BarryD2

xl500 wrote: »

I don't think it was a stupid point the Houses built in the 50s were built to the standards of the Day and of course, they don't meet modern day standards but they have served us well unlike some of the current housing stock

Only to the extent that they have mostly four reasonably solid walls, though even some of those are just shoddy 9" cavity blocks. Plenty of examples of social housing built in these times that have been condemned and pulled down - Ballymun, Limerick housing estates and so on.

Where they survive and have value is due 1) to location and 2) where the tenants have bought them out and done them up as best as practical.

But regardless you just couldn't build these now and expect people to move into them. Everything around building from planning right through to finishing estates and supplying local services has got a whole lot more complex and expensive.

Personally I think we need more 'self build' groups, give the power to provide shelter back to people who are prepared to put their backs into it. But that's unlikely due to a) laziness and b) protectionism in the construction industry.

xl500

BarryD2 wrote: »

Only to the extent that they have mostly four reasonably solid walls, though even some of those are just shoddy 9" cavity blocks. Plenty of examples of social housing built in these times that have been condemned and pulled down - Ballymun, Limerick housing estates and so on.

Where they survive and have value is due 1) to location and 2) where the tenants have bought them out and done them up as best as practical.

But regardless you just couldn't build these now and expect people to move into them. Everything around building from planning right through to finishing estates and supplying local services has got a whole lot more complex and expensive.

Personally, I think we need more 'self build' groups, give the power to provide shelter back to people who are prepared to put their backs into it. But that's unlikely due to a) laziness and b) protectionism in the construction industry.

I agree But I worked on some building estates in previous times and I can tell you the level of inspections was good we were inspected at footings,first floor sill level, Wall Plate Level and Finish all by an independent inspector from relevant Local Authority I strongly feel this was a great system as it protected the Person who was going to buy the House or Local Authority if Houses were being built for them, of course, some mistakes were made but the vast majority of these houses are still functioning well and again, of course, they were not built to current standards but if the same applied to today and proper enforcement of today's standards we would have a much better housing stock

But this system did not suit the Developers who Lobbied constantly to get it changed and eventually succeeded through Fianna Fail who are really one and the Same thing as the Developers and they brought in a system of "Self-Certification" a disastrous outcome for the Person who would eventually purchase House I have over 50 years working under my belt and some of the Apartments I inspected over the Last number of years for potential buyers were unbelievable how poor the workmanship was to say they were thrown up was being good to them don't forget all these were signed off as complying to the Current Regs

"Self Certification" is a disaster there must be an independent inspectorate who ensures all work is carried out to the Standard and codes as there is in most other well-developed Countries This protects the Client against Shysters who I am Afraid we have many

jeremyj1968

Ridiculously biased "reporting" from Ellen Coyne. You could tell her disdain for the man bringing around the ultrasounds to the abortion clinics. Why would anybody going for an abortion have a problem with having an ultrasound, shur it's not a life isn't that what we have been told to believe?

Callan57

jeremyj1968 wrote: »

Ridiculously biased "reporting" from Ellen Coyne. You could tell her disdain for the man bringing around the ultrasounds to the abortion clinics. Why would anybody going for an abortion have a problem with having an ultrasound, shur it's not a life isn't that what we have been told to believe?

Personally I would have a very big problem with any random person going around performing any kind of medical test or procedure on any person.

So much for "love both" .... the mask doesn't take long to slip does it?

BarryD2

Always cringed when I heard Liam Doran when he was a union man. Listening to him this morning shows he hasn't changed much. Wonder what sort of nice dosh he's retired on?

And why is that O'Reilly one on again, again & again. She must nearly have a contract there now in RTE, she's on that much.

jeremyj1968

BarryD2 wrote: »

Always cringed when I heard Liam Doran when he was a union man. Listening to him this morning shows he hasn't changed much. Wonder what sort of nice dosh he's retired on?

It really is ridiculous - Why is he on the show? He was a union representative, but is now a "lay" man. So they bring him in to fight the union's corner again. Leave him where he is, if we must suffer the union blackmailing guff, then at least have their official representatives.

And why is that O'Reilly one on again, again & again. She must nearly have a contract there now in RTE, she's on that much.

She really gives me a pain in my face. I was watching this on the TV in a place where I was collecting something. Sitting there with a scowl on her face, not even bothering to dress properly for the thing (basically in a track suit) and telling us all how things should be done. Sinn Fein have only ever succeeded in bringing down buildings, never with actually getting anything buildings built.

Brendan Bendar

jeremyj1968 wrote: »

It really is ridiculous - Why is he on the show? He was a union representative, but is now a "lay" man. So they bring him in to fight the union's corner again. Leave him where he is, if we must suffer the union blackmailing guff, then at least have their official representatives.



She really gives me a pain in my face. I was watching this on the TV in a place where I was collecting something. Sitting there with a scowl on her face, not even bothering to dress properly for the thing (basically in a track suit) and telling us all how things should be done. Sinn Fein have only ever succeeded in bringing down buildings, never with actually getting anything buildings built.

Good synopsis Jeremy.

When will people realise that nursing is a job,which has to be paid for by you and me whether we are lucky to be sick or not sick.

This issue is a pure win for the nurses, no mistake, that's how it will end.

Why?

Because we cannot shut down the whole health service- it's that simple.

Coupled with that public opinion is on the side of the nurses, it's a no win for the Govt.

apart from the IT editorial, the media are wall to wall on the nurses side, as are RTE, so no chance whatsoever of the Govt coming out of this smelling good.

So what will happen?

Let me tell you.

The nurses will win, there will be immediate relativity claims from aligned professions, the taxpayer will be stiffed for the guts of a billion, and what will change...the cost to the taxpayer for health services certainly will as will the total bill for the PS, the slice of the cake for really deserving folk will diminish and of course the HSE and stuff will run like clockwork and everything will be A-OK


Will it f**k:D

BarryD2

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

apart from the IT editorial, the media are wall to wall on the nurses side, as are RTE

Not so sure about that, the media can be an echo chamber, not wishing to be seen to be offside. The public and the media can also be very fickle.

One days strike - grand.

Two days strike - OK

Three days strike - hmmmm

Four days strike - take a hike!

Brendan Bendar

BarryD2 wrote: »

Not so sure about that, the media can be an echo chamber, not wishing to be seen to be offside. The public and the media can also be very fickle.

One days strike - grand.

Two days strike - OK

Three days strike - hmmmm

Four days strike - take a hike!

Yeah it could go that way in fairness, but I don't think so.

dulpit

jeremyj1968 wrote: »

Ridiculously biased "reporting" from Ellen Coyne. You could tell her disdain for the man bringing around the ultrasounds to the abortion clinics. Why would anybody going for an abortion have a problem with having an ultrasound, shur it's not a life isn't that what we have been told to believe?

Ultrasound from medical professional? Sure. Ultrasound from random organisation who are clueless about medicine (abortions give you breast cancer) and engage in fraudulent and misleading practices (trying to fool people that their line is the HSE's) not so much.

elperello

jeremyj1968 wrote: »

Ridiculously biased "reporting" from Ellen Coyne. You could tell her disdain for the man bringing around the ultrasounds to the abortion clinics. Why would anybody going for an abortion have a problem with having an ultrasound, shur it's not a life isn't that what we have been told to believe?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/anti-abortion-clinic-offers-free-ultrasounds-to-lure-less-well-off-w936qlj5x

It's not a new story.
I didn't hear biased reporting.
They are following the lead of anti abortion groups in the US.

Aska

Court report on next from strokestown.

Usual suspects ?

Callan57

I've listened to various discussions on the Children's Hosp fiasco over the last few days and all I seem to be hearing is "we need a hospital & so we have to keep going no matter the cost" ........ this seems to me beyond belief! We are prepared to plough ahead even though we have absolutely no idea, not even a vague notion, what the final bill is going to come in at.
Tell me again who was it referred to "skin in the game"? Once again the taxpayer is being taken for a ride ... over a cliff

jay0109

There's people starting to come forward from the Medical profession to support the Minister with the line that the hospital needs to be built and lets just plough on ahead. It would be my opinion that the top Doc's are being prompted to do this by the Minister and his spin merchants.
'Think of the children' type of debating level.

Varadkar panicked with the negative press and came out yesterday saying the terms of the PWC report would be changed to allow for individuals to take blame. But this is Ireland...no one ever takes the blame and Varadkar is only buying time. The report will come out with a lot of generalisations, otherwise the legal profession would butt in as usual and start proceedings down the High Court to protect the 'good name' of the public servants involved.

The taxpayer is getting screwed here and contractors are cleaning up. And thats how it will always be in Ireland

dulpit

Just listening to Maria Steen talking about Catholic education. She is a troll of epic proportion, I'm actively getting angry at her just listening to the podcast...

Mad_maxx

dulpit wrote: »

Just listening to Maria Steen talking about Catholic education. She is a troll of epic proportion, I'm actively getting angry at her just listening to the podcast...

Troll is a term used by the intellectually dull and feeble

She spoke great sense about how there is no such thing as a neutral ethos education and that goes for the state too

elperello

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Troll is a term used by the intellectually dull and feeble

She spoke great sense about how there is no such thing as a neutral ethos education and that goes for the state too

That's the beauty of radio.
Brings all those different opinions and points of view into our daily lives.
I disagree with her but I wouldn't call her a troll.

hotmail.com

Maria Steen home schools her children.

Mad_maxx

hotmail.com wrote: »

Maria Steen home schools her children.

More people will chose the same going forward, they are becoming left wing madrasas

serfboard

Mad_maxx wrote: »

More people will chose the same going forward, they are becoming left wing madrasas

Indeed. I believe that they’re even teaching this “evolution” thing now ...