Sean O'Rourke Today Show

Oops69

I'm suggesting it's surprising they didn't intervene more forcefully in the circumstances and if you believe the Gardai were not being directly influenced politically for those two hours , I would suggest that may be a naive opinion.

michael999999

touts wrote: »

Someone else will pay. At least that's the standard Socialist answer.

Were still paying for the fraudsters Fianna fail. And so will my Great Grandkids!

touts

Oops69 wrote: »

I'm suggesting it's surprising they didn't intervene more forcefully in the circumstances and if you believe the Gardai were not being directly influenced politically for those two hours , I would suggest that may be a naive opinion.

You are right. They were being influenced politically. A TD has admitted that he asked them not to deploy in riot gear and they agreed to that. The same TD said he asked them not to intervene as the protest "slow walked" the car out of the area. Again they agreed. So yes there would appear to have been significant political influence on the decision making of the Gardaí.

That TD was Paul Murphy. Ringleader of the protesters.

Bits_n_Bobs

Oops69 wrote: »

I'm suggesting it's surprising they didn't intervene more forcefully in the circumstances and if you believe the Gardai were not being directly influenced politically for those two hours , I would suggest that may be a naive opinion.

You're right of course. What the country needs is for the Gardai to go wading in swinging truncheons and cracking heads like all those other solid totalitarian states...

touts

michael999999 wrote: »

Were still paying for the fraudsters Fianna fail. And so will my Great Grandkids!

Indeed. What Fianna Fail did was a disgrace for which they should never be forgiven. But remember had we followed a capitalist approach the banks would have been left fail and we would be well on the road to recovery now. But instead we took a Socialist approach and nationalized the banks and their losses. So once again the Socialist mantra of "someone else will pay" in action.

Judgement Day

Who is to say that at least some of these alleged bomb threats and van burnings are not the work of Government sympathisers or agents provocateur?

P. Breathnach

Judgement Day wrote: »

Who is to say that at least some of these alleged bomb threats and van burnings are not the work of Government sympathisers or agents provocateur?

That's about as probable as Paul Murphy's recent radio performances being a clever establishment move designed to alienate moderates from the anti water charges movement.

Callan57

Bits_n_Bobs wrote: »

You're right of course. What the country needs is for the Gardai to go wading in swinging truncheons and cracking heads like all those other solid totalitarian states...

As would happen if we lived in Paul Murphy's preferred type of state :rolleyes:

CountyHurler

Comrade Joe Higgins on DriveTime in a few minutes..

Oops69

Can Darren freehill read the sports news without putting emphasis on EVERY SINGLE WORD , he's painful to listen to.

Oops69

Watch this Imo fella doing another pr disaster for the Gps

Oops69

Don't think rte knew that Tom Clonan would give his political opinion on the water fiasco as well as his security expertise , ...or maybe they did ? , I don't know what's what any more with all the political spin going on recently .

artful_codger

No economic recovery seen in old man pubs in backwater rural towns.

I am shocked.

who_ru

Callan57 wrote: »

Paul Murphy doing his Pontius Pilate act this morning ... cowardly!
He brought a mob on to the street the very least he should do is be a man and take responsibility. :mad:

And they threw water balloons, the violence of that is terrifying, truly terrifying.

P. Breathnach

who_ru wrote: »

And they threw water balloons, the violence of that is terrifying, truly terrifying.

It can be. If you see a missile coming towards you, you don't have time to process ideas about what it is, or how much injury it might cause.

who_ru

P. Breathnach wrote: »

It can be. If you see a missile coming towards you, you don't have time to process ideas about what it is, or how much injury it might cause.

Damm right, we need to get tough on terror. Enda Kenny claims Joan Burton was kidnapped too. The level of crime committed by that blood thirsty mob is incredible. I believe her life was under serious threat, especially while the car was gently rocked back and forth, it's a miracle she's still alive really.

HeidiHeidi

who_ru wrote: »

Damm right, we need to get tough on terror. Enda Kenny claims Joan Burton was kidnapped too. The level of crime committed by that blood thirsty mob is incredible. I believe her life was under serious threat, especially while the car was gently rocked back and forth, it's a miracle she's still alive really.

You can take the piss, but if some random man or woman was surrounded in town in their car by a baying mob who were banging on the car and rocking it and shouting abuse for TWO HOURS there would (rightly) be blue murder about it.

I remember when I was a kid being in the car dropping my father off at a GAA match at Croke Park. My mother wound up driving up a street full of pedestrians (it was open to traffic but obviously shouldn't have been) and they started banging on the car - it was absolutely terrifying. That lasted about two minutes, but I still remember it clearly.

Just because Joan Burton and Enda Kenny are public representatives, why should they be liable to that sort of carry on? That's so far across a line I can't even see the line any more.

Oops69

The threatening nature of the protest on Saturday was clearly wrong , however it beggars belief that the deputy prime minister of the country was under significant threat for two hours without being extricated by our police force , I'm sure the Tanaiste and her Garda driver were not incommunicado whilst "trapped " in the car , sorry , I just don't buy any more of this governments spin and I believe they are capable of using whichever circumstance arises to manage their profile.

who_ru

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

You can take the piss, but if some random man or woman was surrounded in town in their car by a baying mob who were banging on the car and rocking it and shouting abuse for TWO HOURS there would (rightly) be blue murder about it.

I remember when I was a kid being in the car dropping my father off at a GAA match at Croke Park. My mother wound up driving up a street full of pedestrians (it was open to traffic but obviously shouldn't have been) and they started banging on the car - it was absolutely terrifying. That lasted about two minutes, but I still remember it clearly.

Just because Joan Burton and Enda Kenny are public representatives, why should they be liable to that sort of carry on? That's so far across a line I can't even see the line any more.

If the world was populated by people posting here proclaiming that what happened in Jobstown was outrageous, terror inducing and unjustifiable then The Berlin Wall would still be upright. What happened last weekend was nothing more than a minor inconvenience blown out of all proportion by a compromised media that is, to borrow a phrase, an echo chamber for the establishment, owned in large part by an individual that has benefited greatly by the same government awarding state contracts to the company that installed the water meters, which as luck would have it, he also owns.
Please try and have a sense of perspective.

IvyTheTerrible

who_ru wrote: »

If the world was populated by people posting here proclaiming that what happened in Jobstown was outrageous, terror inducing and unjustifiable then The Berlin Wall would still be upright. What happened last weekend was nothing more than a minor inconvenience blown out of all proportion by a compromised media that is, to borrow a phrase, an echo chamber for the establishment, owned in large part by an individual that has benefited greatly by the same government awarding state contracts to the company that installed the water meters, which as luck would have it, he also owns.
Please try and have a sense of perspective.

Someone comparing the fall of the Iron curtain with people not wanting to pay water charges is asking for perspective?
The irony, it's delicious.

michael999999

who_ru wrote: »

If the world was populated by people posting here proclaiming that what happened in Jobstown was outrageous, terror inducing and unjustifiable then The Berlin Wall would still be upright. What happened last weekend was nothing more than a minor inconvenience blown out of all proportion by a compromised media that is, to borrow a phrase, an echo chamber for the establishment, owned in large part by an individual that has benefited greatly by the same government awarding state contracts to the company that installed the water meters, which as luck would have it, he also owns.
Please try and have a sense of perspective.

And don't forget uncle denis involvement in the Moriary tribunal.

He owes fine Gael big time, and there calling in some of it.

Just as well that sensible people can see through the bull**** in the independent!

who_ru

michael999999 wrote: »

And don't forget uncle denis involvement in the Moriary tribunal.

He owes fine Gael big time, and there calling in some of it.

Just as well that sensible people can see through the bull**** in the independent!

FG, courtesy of Michael Lowery, have enriched him beyond his wildest expectations, and continue to award him state contracts.

Today's announcement is a can kicking exercise. This Govt is a reflection of Enda Kenny's personality. Incompetent and demoralising. I suspect they know they won't be re-elected next time out and so have decided to pass this mess into the next Govt.

Callan57

who_ru wrote: »

FG, courtesy of Michael Lowery, have enriched him beyond his wildest expectations, and continue to award him state contracts.

Today's announcement is a can kicking exercise. This Govt is a reflection of Enda Kenny's personality. Incompetent and demoralising. I suspect they know they won't be re-elected next time out and so have decided to pass this mess into the next Govt.

Ah! do I hear the "next govt" already making excuses? They could at least wait until they're elected - but then as last weekend showed, when it comes down to it, they don't really have much truck with democracy!

CountyHurler

I think Elaine Byrne lost a lot of credibility when she didnt put her money where her mouth is at the last election. It's a lot easier to sit on the ditch and criticize the other women in politics, than to put yourself on the ticket....

Harry Angstrom

Well done Elaine Byrne. Cutting through the bullsh!t of the Fine Gael ladies who lunch.

CountyHurler

I guess the next logical step is for somebody to set up a lobby group for men who want to bear children.. Pregnancy Equality we'll call it..

HeidiHeidi

CountyHurler wrote: »

I think Elaine Byrne lost a lot of credibility when she didnt put her money where her mouth is at the last election. It's a lot easier to sit on the ditch and criticize the other women in politics, than to put yourself on the ticket....

Oh the utterly delicious irony of this being posted on boards.ie :rolleyes:

CountyHurler

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Oh the utterly delicious irony of this being posted on boards.ie :rolleyes:

That would make sense if I was on the radio pontificating the same way that Elaine Byrne is ... She is the purported expert in politics who should be able to contribute to solutions to the problems in politics.. I am not..

HeidiHeidi

CountyHurler wrote: »

That would make sense if I was on the radio pontificating the same way that Elaine Byrne is ... She is the purported expert in politics who should be able to contribute to solutions to the problems in politics.. I am not..

But you're sitting behind your keyboard pontificating, no

About Elaine Byrne and what she should do/have done with her life and career, about Marian Finnucane and how she should or shouldn't conduct her radio show, about countless other broadcasters, and possibly/probably lots of other forums that I don't even know about.

Why not apply to RTE or Newstalk for a broadcasting slot on a primetime weekend programme and see how you get on? Undoubtedly you could make a FAR better fist of it than any of those who actually do.....

Or maybe you feel that your talents are better employed elsewhere? Which is exactly the argument Elaine made for not running for election. Which is perfectly reasonable in my book.

P. Breathnach

CountyHurler wrote: »

That would make sense if I was on the radio pontificating the same way that Elaine Byrne is ... She is the purported expert in politics who should be able to contribute to solutions to the problems in politics.. I am not..

She has a PhD, lectures at university level on political science, has produced a book on political corruption, writes for newspapers on political matters, and is a broadcaster. Among other things.

And an anonymous detractor on the internet suggests that because she has chosen a different path, she has less credibility than people who have run for election! There are many in the Dáil who have considerably less credibility.

CountyHurler

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

But you're sitting behind your keyboard pontificating, no

If posting an opinion = pontificating, then yes .. as is everybody else on boards.ie

My point is that if Elaine Byrne is I think it's disappointing that the best a political expert has to contribute about women in politics is to sneer about the "pitch" when she walked in to the room of the event organised by Fionnuala Kenny... It's not a side of her that I've heard before, and I used to see her regularly when I used to watch VB... I would have expected a far more constructive contribution from somebody with her qualifications..

dulpit

Anyone else find Keelin Shanley a tad annoying as a fill-in? There's something about the way she jumps into conversations and clearly has a bias in most stories that is grating with compared to SOR. Much prefer when Miles Dungan covers the show...

P. Breathnach

dulpit wrote: »

Anyone else find Keelin Shanley a tad annoying as a fill-in? ...

I think she is good.

Callan57

dulpit wrote: »

Anyone else find Keelin Shanley a tad annoying as a fill-in? There's something about the way she jumps into conversations and clearly has a bias in most stories that is grating with compared to SOR. Much prefer when Miles Dungan covers the show...

I think she's very good ... not as good an Sean but way better than Miles (I was going to say miles better!)

Lapin

Shame that that interrogation of Rich Boy's expense claims only kicked in with 30 seconds to go.

I'd gladly listen to 30 minutes of him trying to explain his double standards on that issue.

Callan57

Surely calling that singing is a gross violation of the trade descriptions act - strongly recommend John keep the day job!

P. Breathnach

Callan57 wrote: »

Surely calling that singing is a gross violation of the trade descriptions act - strongly recommend John keep the day job!

Well, the argument is not about whether he should have a singing career, but whether he has behaved in a way that has a negative impact on his role in the day job.

Callan57

P. Breathnach wrote: »

Well, the argument is not about whether he should have a singing career, but whether he has behaved in a way that has a negative impact on his role in the day job.

Well IMHO he should not be doing it at all - I have a genuine objection to people murdering songs :rolleyes:

brooke 2

P. Breathnach wrote: »

Well, the argument is not about whether he should have a singing career, but whether he has behaved in a way that has a negative impact on his role in the day job.

His PR people are earning their salaries these days!

padd b1975

Callan57 wrote: »

Well IMHO he should not be doing it at all - I have a genuine objection to people murdering songs :rolleyes:

The problem is the song is about people who murder.

Loafing Oaf

P. Breathnach wrote: »

Well, the argument is not about whether he should have a singing career, but whether he has behaved in a way that has a negative impact on his role in the day job.

I.e. will annoy Denis O'Brien. Anyone know if Newstalk have given this story much coverage?

Harry Angstrom

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

I.e. will annoy Denis O'Brien. Anyone know if Newstalk have given this story much coverage?

This is The Irish Times's agenda. Demonising the water protestors is more of Denis O'Brien's bailiwick.

jank

CountyHurler wrote: »

If posting an opinion = pontificating, then yes .. as is everybody else on boards.ie

My point is that if Elaine Byrne is I think it's disappointing that the best a political expert has to contribute about women in politics is to sneer about the "pitch" when she walked in to the room of the event organised by Fionnuala Kenny... It's not a side of her that I've heard before, and I used to see her regularly when I used to watch VB... I would have expected a far more constructive contribution from somebody with her qualifications..

Elaine Byrne is knowledgeable but she does appear to suffer from being the classic hurler on the ditch syndrome. One can put their point across better rather than sneering at everyone else who has an opinion. I thought that her being in Australia would have cured her of that. Pity I was wrong.

foxtrot101

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

I.e. will annoy Denis O'Brien. Anyone know if Newstalk have given this story much coverage?

I doubt he cares. Delaney was criticised heavily enough on the breastfast show today and OTB(old and new) have always displayed a certain amount of disdain towards him over the years.

Oops69

Conor Pope the " consumer expert" has had no original ideas to contribute the last number of times I've heard him on this show ,of course he trained at the Connaught tribune according to wikipedia, sean has a soft place for that as he regularly reminds us.

IvyTheTerrible

Oops69 wrote: »

Conor Pope the " consumer expert" has had no original ideas to contribute the last number of times I've heard him on this show ,of course he trained at the Connaught tribune according to wikipedia, sean has a soft place for that as he regularly reminds us.

I agreed with him about Black Friday, and about how the workers in shops are treated, though.

Callan57

Oops69 wrote: »

Conor Pope the " consumer expert" has had no original ideas to contribute the last number of times I've heard him on this show ,of course he trained at the Connaught tribune according to wikipedia, sean has a soft place for that as he regularly reminds us.

Where did he say he met all these rude, obnoxious customers?
Much better class of customer in Penney's

Oops69

Callan57 wrote: »

Where did he say he met all these rude, obnoxious customers?
Much better class of customer in Penney's

Penny's in Mary street is gas to just walk around and hear the ' loving' abuse couples and family members throw at each other in best Dublin speak , priceless .

serfboard

Oops69 wrote: »

Conor Pope the " consumer expert" ... trained at the Connaught tribune according to wikipedia, sean has a soft place for that as he regularly reminds us.

He's been on Marian Finuncane in the past and AFAIK is on Ray D'Arcy every week so I don't think that part of your argument stands up.

Callan57

Ah that well know economic guru AGAIN ... Jim Power (is he camping in Donnybrook?)