Sean O'Rourke Today Show

Callan57

CountyHurler wrote: »

Thought it was a good performance by Willie Walsh. Though it was really naive of him to say "I've lost 20% of my pension" as well, as this teed it up for the interviewer to draw further comparisons between his pay and conditions and those of the Aer Lingus workers..

Yea it's all relative isn't it? :rolleyes:

Loafing Oaf

foxtrot101 wrote: »

No, it was this Andrei Shevcenko.

Well in fairness no professional sportsman looks as good in a suit and glasses as they did in their playing kit, even if they weren't scoring too many goals at the time...

neris

just logged onto twitter and mlod is trending. had a look to see what all the fuss was about and seems twitter users have the same view to everyone on here about the loud mouth over dramatic twat

P. Breathnach

neris wrote: »

just logged onto twitter and mlod is trending. had a look to see what all the fuss was about and seems twitter users have the same view to everyone on here about the loud mouth over dramatic twat

You know the views of everyone on here?

Callan57

So you don't stand for anything????
It's all about what you stand against - extraordinary negativity IMO

Callan57

If something is scientifically possible it will happen ... Breda O'Brien wasting her breath

Callan57

Interesting "you will have to live" .... NO Breda "the child will have to live"

touts

Callan57 wrote: »

If something is scientifically possible it will happen ... Breda O'Brien wasting her breath

But she thinks if she stops just one person from committing a dreadful sin she will be one seat closer to Jesus in heaven. IONA are the Irish Tea Party.

lochderg

Let's not forget that Paul Murphy ,by all accounts, could've been a top barrister and consequently could have spent the the rest of his life overcharging 'us' the people however he chose the worst possible path-to try and make a difference-not the kind that decorates the opening chapter of so many ministerial memoirs but the 'real' thing whereas those resplendent,articulate,well educated men and women stood firmly behind their man Hogan who,with a glint in his eye and a sneer on his face announced how he would put manners on families with young children who couldn't pay their water bill.
It has been standard practice down through the decades to 'label' anyone who questioned the system as a troublemaker,communist,socialist,begrudger.Is'nt it about time we stopped accepting these lame,lazy, condemnations and start to think for ourselves?

Callan57

lochderg wrote: »

Let's not forget that Paul Murphy ,by all accounts, could've been a top barrister and consequently could have spent the the rest of his life overcharging 'us' the people however he chose the worst possible path-to try and make a difference-not the kind that decorates the opening chapter of so many ministerial memoirs but the 'real' thing whereas those resplendent,articulate,well educated men and women stood firmly behind their man Hogan who,with a glint in his eye and a sneer on his face announced how he would put manners on families with young children who couldn't pay their water bill.
It has been standard practice down through the decades to 'label' anyone who questioned the system as a troublemaker,communist,socialist,begrudger.Is'nt it about time we stopped accepting these lame,lazy, condemnations and start to think for ourselves?

Will do - just as soon as Mr Murphy tells us what he proposes and more important how he proposed his nirvana will be financed. I won't hold my breath waiting for that answer :rolleyes:

neris

Callan57 wrote: »

Will do - just as soon as Mr Murphy tells us what he proposes and more important how he proposed his nirvana will be financed. I won't hold my breath waiting for that answer :rolleyes:

with increased taxes on those capitalist pigs & entrepreneurs off course whove worked & studied hard through life to create careers/businesses/employment. Why should they reap the all the rewards of their lifes efforts :rolleyes:

lochderg

you're still inside the box- how quickly did we finance the international finance system?-or is that passe now?-are bankers just 'ordinairy blokes'?-trillions of dollars was given to a select few whilst Brian Lenihan stood at the 'Gates of Hell' and passed out the names and addresses of every Irish citizen to the malevolent forces reigned against him-"here-they're the ones you want to see about retribution"-please avoid men in suits-it wasn't their fault.I believe this year is the year that bankers are to have their beloved 'bonuses' restored-I presume you're okay with finding funding for that?

ThisRegard

lochderg wrote: »

a troublemaker,communist,socialist,begrudger.Is'nt it about time we stopped accepting these lame,lazy, condemnations and start to think for ourselves?

I think Paul Murphy is all those things, and I came to that conclusion all by myself.

What's your point ?

Callan57

lochderg wrote: »

you're still inside the box- how quickly did we finance the international finance system?-or is that passe now?-are bankers just 'ordinairy blokes'?-trillions of dollars was given to a select few whilst Brian Lenihan stood at the 'Gates of Hell' and passed out the names and addresses of every Irish citizen to the malevolent forces reigned against him-"here-they're the ones you want to see about retribution"-please avoid men in suits-it wasn't their fault.I believe this year is the year that bankers are to have their beloved 'bonuses' restored-I presume you're okay with finding funding for that?

...... oh no haven't forgotten anything but we're still waiting for Mr Murphy's alternative magic source of funding

neris

lochderg wrote: »

you're still inside the box- how quickly did we finance the international finance system?-or is that passe now?-are bankers just 'ordinairy blokes'?-trillions of dollars was given to a select few whilst Brian Lenihan stood at the 'Gates of Hell' and passed out the names and addresses of every Irish citizen to the malevolent forces reigned against him-"here-they're the ones you want to see about retribution"-please avoid men in suits-it wasn't their fault.I believe this year is the year that bankers are to have their beloved 'bonuses' restored-I presume you're okay with finding funding for that?

And what about the normal people whove broken their backs to build up businesses from the ground into profitable viable businesses that maybe worth alot now? why should they be hammered even more on their personal finances so anto in ballyer can have more dole or deco can go to the doctor for free coz he has the sniffles. This whole "workers" & "class struggle" is very 1918. Its easier for people to progress thgrough life now all they need to do is work hard and put in the hours. Success and a good lifestyle doesnt come easy but do it and get the rewards

serfboard

neris wrote: »

Its easier for people to progress thgrough life now all they need to do is work hard and put in the hours.

Actually, mostly what they have to do now is to be born into already well-off families.

lochderg

so you're okay with the growing disparity in income and 1% owning nearly half of everything?
Again you assume that I'm overweight,poor and lazy but I have my own business and have never been out of work for more than a month or two-I agree that people who work hard should get rewarded but there are plenty of people working ever harder and just moving backwards.

ThisRegard

Can I have some of your income, you know, just to balance things out ?

lochderg

you mean sell all my children into slavery and my house and give it all to the poor?-yes-I tend to hear that a lot-and presumably the next time you go on about bloody islamic militants you'll get your coat on and get right over there and put up-I mean it's fair enough...isn't it?Why do we always hear the same stuff?-it's like trying to discuss sex 50 years ago-everybody gets their knickers in a twist-"well if you feel strongly about why don't you just......blah blah -because I can't even begin to entertain the idea of a discussion about economic systems."That's the kind of reply I'd expect from my 92 year old uncle-isn't it wierd that you never ever hear men in suits even alluding to thinking about a different way of doing things?

lochderg

ThisRegard wrote: »

I think Paul Murphy is all those things, and I came to that conclusion all by myself.

What's your point?-In 2007/08 the cat was let out of the bag-they openly urinated over everybody and took what they wanted -but they still have footsoldiers(you) out there who will repeatedly step up to the mark and cry socialst!They don't want to think, read or check anything- always ready to shout begrudger-Paul Murphy could be earning the same as a small nation as a barrister -now why do you think he doing what he's doing?-you don't see a tiny scintilla of decency in there somewhere?

ThisRegard

Bwah ha ha. Didn't take you long to revert to type and accuse those who don't agree with you of being shills and other crap.

After all, you believe that those who don't agree with you have to be government stooges, why else would we not be agreeing with your ill thought out points?

Callan57

lochderg wrote: »

What's your point?-In 2007/08 the cat was let out of the bag-they openly urinated over everybody and took what they wanted -but they still have footsoldiers(you) out there who will repeatedly step up to the mark and cry socialst!They don't want to think, read or check anything- always ready to shout begrudger-Paul Murphy could be earning the same as a small nation as a barrister -now why do you think he doing what he's doing?-you don't see a tiny scintilla of decency in there somewhere?

Really??? That's sounds a bit like all those who told us Bertie & Cowan had brains to burn ... not a scintilla of evidence to support it

lochderg

It does a bit- but he still could earning money in a much more relaxed way-every time you see 'legal' and 'fees' in an article just follow the font and you'll arrive at the word 'millions'

lochderg

ThisRegard wrote: »

Bwah ha ha. Didn't take you long to revert to type and accuse those who don't agree with you of being shills and other crap.

After all, you believe that those who don't agree with you have to be government stooges, why else would we not be agreeing with your ill thought out points?

which parts are ill thought out?And disagree if you like -and I'll listen-just make it sensible --I get fed up with same oldlazy bilge getting thrown at m-- socialist,communist ,begrudger? -after all that's happened that's the response?Is this N.Carolina or what?

ThisRegard

Wut? Are you not a massive hypocrite telling me I'm lazily using stereotypes when you called me a footman of the state? You're nonsensical.

lochderg

ThisRegard wrote: »

Wut? Are you not a massive hypocrite telling me I'm lazily using stereotypes when you called me a footman of the state? You're nonsensical.

But I didn't -I am saying that anyone who sticks their head above the parapet and questions the status quo is immediately labelled-socialist,begrudger etc.But that attitude is also reinforced by our unwillingness to check things out a bit more -I've done it myself-there are loads of great minds out there who want a change-just go and have a look and when they've convinced you have a look at the opposite side's view.
Anyway I came on here to simply back up P.Murphy because I think he's getting hit from all sides-I'm not here to lecture-I'm not good enough for that.

lochderg

lochderg wrote: »

But I didn't -I am saying that anyone who sticks their head above the parapet and questions the status quo is immediately labelled-socialist,begrudger etc.But that attitude is also reinforced by our unwillingness to check things out a bit more -I've done it myself-there are loads of great minds out there who want a change-just go and have a look and when they've convinced you have a look at the opposite side's view.
Anyway I came on here to simply back up P.Murphy because I think he's getting hit from all sides-I'm not here to lecture-I'm not good enough for that.

"I've done it myself"- i.e. labelled people

touts

Two prison officers in hospital and a violent criminal on the loose but St. John Lonergan still taking a softly softly poor lads view of how hardened criminals should be transported. He fudges it by saying really hard cases should be transported under increased security but he is adamant not for the vast majority of prisoners.

ThisRegard

lochderg wrote: »

but they still have footsoldiers(you) out there who will repeatedly step up to the mark and cry socialst!

lochderg wrote: »

But I didn't

Really, you didn't label me a foot soldier ?

And you're not here to lecture ? You obviously are just typing away and taking no notice of what you're posting or bothering to read back over them.

P. Breathnach

touts wrote: »

Two prison officers in hospital and a violent criminal on the loose but St. John Lonergan still taking a softly softly poor lads view of how hardened criminals should be transported. He fudges it by saying really hard cases should be transported under increased security but he is adamant not for the vast majority of prisoners.

I don't think you were listening very carefully.

Oops69

This show has a feel of the early eighties about it , lent , gardeners spot , bullcrap Gaa banter , Sean sounds like he's going to choke when the topic of gay marriage comes up, the whole tone of the show just gives the feeling that it's well past its sell by date, he was better just doing the news programmes, he's too 'old fashioned ' for the magazine type pieces, I'm sure retired techers love it but I presume RTE need more than those to make up the audience ?

lochderg

ThisRegard wrote: »

Really, you didn't label me a foot soldier ?

And you're not here to lecture ? You obviously are just typing away and taking no notice of what you're posting or bothering to read back over them.

Yes-I did-when you blast away without thinking you're acting like one of them-same as I have-that's what they want us to do -not think.I don't think that's a heavy duty lecture

ThisRegard

lochderg wrote: »

but they still have footsoldiers(you) out there

lochderg wrote: »

But I didn't

lochderg wrote: »

Yes-I did-

It's like arguing with a child. I can't make head nor tail of what, if any, point you're trying to make.

lochderg

ThisRegard wrote: »

It's like arguing with a child. I can't make head nor tail of what, if any, point you're trying to make.

don't you find it boring?-why don't you check it out richard wilkinson(ted talks)and find out for yourself and stop wasting your time on here-
-that's a good start & there's plenty more

Callan57

First mention of IONA has the exact impact as mention of MLOD & automatically sends me to Lyric

Callan57

Great to hear a politician actually admit he wants the top job - none of your dance of the seven veils for Alan Kelly

IvyTheTerrible

I'm not sure it's just a question of pay, this problem seems to be a Europe wide problem, in France there are loads of villages in the country that can't get doctors to replace GP's who are retiring or leaving, a comedy film was even made about it over here.

Callan57

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

I'm not sure it's just a question of pay, this problem seems to be a Europe wide problem, in France there are loads of villages in the country that can't get doctors to replace GP's who are retiring or leaving, a comedy film was even made about it over here.

It's well past time we started demanding some pay-back from those who have benefited disproportionately from the largess of the taxpayer. It's downright ridiculous that the ordinary working person is paying to train doctors who then abandon the country for greener pastures the second they are handed their qualification. Why not a provision that final qualification is dependend on completing X number of years in general practice in Ireland?

Lapin

Callan57 wrote: »

Great to hear a politician actually admit he wants the top job - none of your dance of the seven veils for Alan Kelly

I was thinking the same.

Unfortunately for Alan, there might be no party left for him to lead by the time the job comes up.

Also, how young did he say he was when his family's house burnt down. I didn't catch what age he was but seemed very young by the sounds of it.

He sounded in danger of overplaying the impact of the fire on him personally at times. I've no doubt it was terrible for them but it was a long time ago. Every family goes through bad times but they don't bring them up years later. I know he only mentioned the fire in passing and only went into detail when probed on it further by O'Rourke, but he would probably be advised not to mention it at all in future.

People are very quick to pick up on any perceived sympathy seeking ploy, (remember Royston Brady and his father's abduction) and it doesn't wash with the public. Rightly or wrongly, we expect our politicians to address our problems, rather than tell us about theirs.

Oops69

Callan57 wrote: »

It's well past time we started demanding some pay-back from those who have benefited disproportionately from the largess of the taxpayer. It's downright ridiculous that the ordinary working person is paying to train doctors who then abandon the country for greener pastures the second they are handed their qualification. Why not a provision that final qualification is dependend on completing X number of years in general practice in Ireland?

If we applied that logic ,we need to keep all the engineers , architects , quantity surveyors etc etc etc who have ' abandoned ' the country to earn a living wage in Australia, there can't be one law for doctors and one for other graduates just because doctors are needed more.

Callan57

Oops69 wrote: »

If we applied that logic ,we need to keep all the engineers , architects , quantity surveyors etc etc etc who have ' abandoned ' the country to earn a living wage in Australia, there can't be one law for doctors and one for other graduates just because doctors are needed more.

It costs a hell of a lot more to the taxpayer to educate a doctor

touts

Holy hell how many PR companies are there in the country? It seems every state agency has a different one on retainer.

Odyssey 2005

touts wrote: »

Holy hell how many PR companies are there in the country? It seems every state agency has a different one on retainer.

Yep but Reilly the Unreliable will make sure that none of them represent the ciggy companies if they want to continue to work for his government :rolleyes:

P. Breathnach

Shane Ross presumes that the only work PR firms do is shielding organisations from public scrutiny.

touts

P. Breathnach wrote: »

Shane Ross presumes that the only work PR firms do is shielding organisations from public scrutiny.

Well I suppose he is basing that on the track record of what they actually do rather than the spin they put on their company website.

P. Breathnach

touts wrote: »

Well I suppose he is basing that on the track record of what they actually do rather than the spin they put on their company website.

No. It's simply another manifestation of his professional outrage.

And given the proclivity of organs like The Independent to have a go at them, there is also some justification for state agencies engaging professionals to help them counter dodgy or unduly aggressive journalism. Ross is like an attacking footballer who complains that the other side has a goalkeeper.

Bits_n_Bobs

P. Breathnach wrote: »

Shane Ross presumes that the only work PR firms do is shielding organisations from public scrutiny.

Presumably as a journalist and independent TD he has no experience of all the noble and heroic work carried out by the heroic PR companies such as...umm...

P. Breathnach

Bits_n_Bobs wrote: »

Presumably as a journalist and independent TD he has no experience of all the noble and heroic work carried out by the heroic PR companies such as...umm...

In neither capacity should he be considered a disinterested commentator.

lochderg

"Ross is like an attacking footballer who complains that the other side has a goalkeeper."quote

Ross tends to be re-active to the breathtaking cockups made by those nice men in suits-they trip themselves up without any nasty tackles from Shane Ross

Callan57

P. Breathnach wrote: »

No. It's simply another manifestation of his professional outrage.

And given the proclivity of organs like The Independent to have a go at them, there is also some justification for state agencies engaging professionals to help them counter dodgy or unduly aggressive journalism. Ross is like an attacking footballer who complains that the other side has a goalkeeper.

Are you channeling thee ubiquitous pun maker John Drennan