Sex boxes in Switzerland

munchkin_utd

Sunglasses Ron wrote: »

I saw this story and recalled this thread

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2411812/Men-cheer-dancing-half-naked-women-Amsterdams-red-light-district-shocked-anti-trafficking-ad.html


Again, is there any actual evidence that prostitution slavery is even remotely existent in Western Europe?

yup, some of the african women working in the trade are essentially slaves (EDIT: they have imaginary "debts" which have to be worked off). Worse still its family members who organise their passage and profit from their plight.
There was a prominent documentary on german tv recently about it.

It'd be similar I suppose to some of the chinese who end up in restaurants working. One great case a couple of months back of a chef in a chinese restaurant in holland who was kept in a cage and only was allowed out to work!
Now, if that was a woman being forced to be a prostitute it'd be front page news.
But it was only a man, in a cage, who cooked, so an unimportant (and not sufficiently morally outrageous) story relegated to a few lines in the other stories column.

Sunglasses Ron

munchkin_utd wrote: »

yup, some of the african women working in the trade are essentially slaves (EDIT: they have imaginary "debts" which have to be worked off). Worse still its family members who organise their passage and profit from their plight.
There was a prominent documentary on german tv recently about it.

But is it true? The previous Guardian article I linked earlier suggests it is not. An article that a few feminists had no response to.

It'd be similar I suppose to some of the chinese who end up in restaurants working. One great case a couple of months back of a chef in a chinese restaurant in holland who was kept in a cage and only was allowed out to work!
Now, if that was a woman being forced to be a prostitute it'd be front page news.
But it was only a man, in a cage, who cooked, so an unimportant (and not sufficiently morally outrageous) story relegated to a few lines in the other stories column.

Dare I say it, it is easier to threaten a man who completely relies on you for shelter and food to perform a job hidden in a kitchen far from the eyes of the customer than it is to force a terrified woman to pretend to have enjoyable sex with multiple men day in day out.

Basically, a large scale investigation revealed that sex slavery in Western Europe is almost certainly completely an urban legend, and there is zero evidence to suggest otherwise.

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munchkin_utd

Sunglasses Ron wrote: »

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Basically, a large scale investigation revealed that sex slavery in Western Europe is almost certainly completely an urban legend, and there is zero evidence to suggest otherwise.

actually, thats what I was implying by mentioning the story of the girls from Africa. Its a tiny fraction of the whole thing. Its sad for the individuals involved but they are a small tiny percentage of an industry which is predominantly white and east european not black and african.
Its the exception to the rule.
And to be honest, the prostitution isnt the core of their problems, its the slavery itsself. If the girls weren't being forced to do that, they would be forced to work in a sweat shop or on a farm or whatever.

Heres a shortened report on the matter on ARD (german equivalent of RTE/ BBC ) titled "forced prostitution with voodoo magic", where girls in Africa are forced to travel to europe
http://www.ardmediathek.de/das-erste/weltspiegel/nigeria-zwangsprostitution-mit-voodoo-zauber?documentId=13759316
and heres an article on it which might be google-translatable.
http://www.daserste.de/information/reportage-dokumentation/dokus/sendung/wdr/ware-frau-130325-108.html

Capt'n Midnight

Sunglasses Ron wrote: »

I can't recall where I read it, but despite the harping on of certain feminist groups, there has either never, or barely ever, been a case of even suspected forced prostitution in Ireland and the UK. Sex trafficking may exist in terms of the deliberate smuggling of illegals across borders, but the vast majority are willing, and get paid quite handsomely for it. Much like kidnapping and forcing women to become drug mules, forcing women to be hookers against their will when there is a surplus of women who are willing to do it for voluntary employment makes no sense. This may shock and appall these feminists, but believe it or not most blokes would not enjoy shagging a bird who seems withdrawn, has some bruises and seems terrified of her very surroundings. Most blokes would have no hesitation in reporting a woman being kept prisoner if she whispered it to him or passed him a note.

http://www.dailyedge.ie/prostitutes-trafficking-immigrant-council-ireland-790813-Feb2013/ A QUARTER OF sex buyers in Ireland have come in contact with women and girls who they believe were trafficked, controlled or underage.

http://www.childrensrights.ie/resources/response-hse-statement-no-missing-child-hse-care-has-been-trafficked

http://www.barnardos.ie/what-we-do/campaign-and-lobby/separated-children.html Of the 513 children who have gone missing from State care between 2000 and 2010, 440 are still unaccounted for.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/garda-who-sought-underage-sex-jailed-26103233.html

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0314/298663-carrolltj/

Treora

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

http://www.dailyedge.ie/prostitutes-trafficking-immigrant-council-ireland-790813-Feb2013/ A QUARTER OF sex buyers in Ireland have come in contact with women and girls who they believe were trafficked, controlled or underage.

http://www.childrensrights.ie/resources/response-hse-statement-no-missing-child-hse-care-has-been-trafficked

http://www.barnardos.ie/what-we-do/campaign-and-lobby/separated-children.html Of the 513 children who have gone missing from State care between 2000 and 2010, 440 are still unaccounted for.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/garda-who-sought-underage-sex-jailed-26103233.html

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0314/298663-carrolltj/

The first link is the Sisters of Mercy/ICI creating their own report for a political purpose. The commented votes of 250:60 for a legalised industry is telling.

And the second link is by Jillian van Turnhout, which is in the same as ICI, 'I don't agree with what they are saying so they are wrong'. It has the national fear reaction of a blond Roma child.

The independent article does not show that there are underaged people as sex workers, just that we have the some of the worst selection processes and self inspection of police in the western world. It also shows that when Ireland criminalised sex worker's clients that the police will have even more opportunity to rape sex workers.

The barnadoes case just points to the Independent's case. It show the effectiveness of those we pick to be cops.

The RTE report references ruhama (sisters of charity) so that puts paid to that (a sex worker slavery organisation saying that they want to save sex workers). It does not disclose the reality that it is christian pastors (often supported by the immigrant council of Ireland) and their partners that use multiple religious indoctrinations on vulnerable minds to coerce them. The same religious ideology that was used in the Magdalene Laundries.

It does show that 'self directed co-operative sex work' is needed for sex workers to protect themselves by using state inspected & licenced private security. Private security that are vetted and audited by a wide group of police in order to stop the one off cop, from the independent article, raping women.

I would have thought that since demand will increase and go underground (the profit from the RTE case and the warped drive from the Independent case should open eyes to this) if criminalised (as with Norway and Sweden - there are so many articles on thelocal.se or .no) the intelligent thing to do would be to licence and destigmatise sex workers. Then give clients bounties for identifying and being a DPP witness in cases of corercion or third party direction/profiteering. Stephen Roger's book 'On the game' lauds the drunken client that phones up his union representative to find out how to help a distressed enslaved women whom he was told as a sex worker.

This is a polarised mind situation where emotion outstrips rational measures that are far more effective at protecting vulnerable people while protecting the liberty of those Irish sex workers in Australia and disabled Australian's using touchingbase.org.