2014 NFL Draft

adrian522

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BKWDR wrote: »

Silly question, and to be fair i haven't really followed college ball at all but i don't really have a grasp of what the Draft is about other than is it just the same as say the fantasy football draft, only with college ball players who have put themselves forward for the draft who have had a minimum of 2 years of playing college football?

If not drafted they go as a free agent and can be signed by any team then?

Yes

Draft picks go from worst in season get 1st pick and so on down the line? How many rounds are there of picks?

7 Rounds

And then you can do deals during the main season and trade your pick in the first round for a player or what not?

Yep, can trade during the draft as well, you can trade picks for other picks this year or in future years.

Alfred Borden

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 3s
Texans owner Bob McNair said Houston is willing to trade No. 1 overall pick so it can land another QB and a defensive player as well.

Didnt see this coming, think it would be very stupid to miss out on Bridgewater

Syferus

Raf32 wrote: »

Didnt see this coming, think it would be very stupid to miss out on Bridgewater

Depends on what they can get. Definitely smart to test the waters and make like you'll trade. Bridgewater is a good prospect but not so good that trading the pick isn't a very attractive prospect at the right price.

They could easily end up taking Bridgewater if they rate him the #1 QB and the market is soft.

Pudsy33

Wrong thread whoops

Squidgy Black

Said it earlier in the thread that there was a good chance they'd trade it.

Bridgewater is a great prospect, but he doesn't necessarily suit the Texans offense or is what the Texans want.

adrian522

Just looking at the updated draft order, the Chiefs have the 23rd pick and the Titans have the 11th pick.

That means the 49ers should have their own picks, plus the 2nd round pick of the Chiefs (55th) and the third round pick of the titans (77) as well as a likely comp pick in the 3rd round for losing Goldson to Free Agency.

Should be able to do something with 6 picks in the first 3 rounds.

Knex*

adrian522 wrote: »

Just looking at the updated draft order, the Chiefs have the 23rd pick and the Titans have the 11th pick.

That means the 49ers should have their own picks, plus the 2nd round pick of the Chiefs (55th) and the third round pick of the titans (77) as well as a likely comp pick in the 3rd round for losing Goldson to Free Agency.

Should be able to do something with 6 picks in the first 3 rounds.

Jesus, didn't know that. Real opportunity to make an already very strong Roster, even stronger.

davyjose

Knex. wrote: »

Jesus, didn't know that. Real opportunity to make an already very strong Roster, even stronger.

De'Anthont Thomas to enter the draft. I think he's nuts.

davyjose

davyjose wrote: »

De'Anthont Thomas to enter the draft. I think he's nuts.

id love the eagles to reunite him with chip but i think he will go to high for us with our top picks likely to be on defense.

why do you think hes nuts?

HigginsJ

Gerald Polite Smallpox wrote: »

id love the eagles to reunite him with chip but i think he will go to high for us with our top picks likely to be on defense.

why do you think hes nuts?

He had a very down year. Injuries & a lack of production will mean he is prob a 3rd round pick at best & could well go much lower.

He should have gone back to school & try perform with Mariota at QB he def could have bounced back

HigginsJ

HigginsJ wrote: »

He had a very down year. Injuries & a lack of production will mean he is prob a 3rd round pick at best & could well go much lower.

He should have gone back to school & try perform with Mariota at QB he def could have bounced back

Jesus didn't realise that he had such a bad year. if he makes late 3rd id be shocked if we didn't take him chip likes to take players he knows. although i don't really know where he would fit in but to much talents a good problem to have.

id be shocked if he went past late 2nd-early 3rd hes got big potential.

HigginsJ

Gerald Polite Smallpox wrote: »

Jesus didn't realise that he had such a bad year. if he makes late 3rd id be shocked if we didn't take him chip likes to take players he knows. although i don't really know where he would fit in but to much talents a good problem to have.

id be shocked if he went past late 2nd-early 3rd hes got big potential.

He will probably need to move to WR in the NFL. He is much too small to run between the tackles. That will also affect his stock.

I think LaMichael James was a far better player coming out of Oregon & he has really struggled to get a look in at San Fran.

HigginsJ

HigginsJ wrote: »

He will probably need to move to WR in the NFL. He is much too small to run between the tackles. That will also affect his stock.

I think LaMichael James was a far better player coming out of Oregon & he has really struggled to get a look in at San Fran.

im not going to pretend i watch a lot of college ball so this is a relatively uneducated opinion.
but i was under the impression he was a very very quick elusive player i would imagine there are a lot of offensive minded coaches would love to get their hands on him.

TO.

HigginsJ wrote: »

He will probably need to move to WR in the NFL. He is much too small to run between the tackles. That will also affect his stock.

I think LaMichael James was a far better player coming out of Oregon & he has really struggled to get a look in at San Fran.

Thomas will find time in the backfield in the Pros. He may be small but is fast as fook and extremely agile. The way the game is moving there will be use for him in someones offensive scheme as a running back.

HigginsJ

Gerald Polite Smallpox wrote: »

im not going to pretend i watch a lot of college ball so this is a relatively uneducated opinion.
but i was under the impression he was a very very quick elusive player i would imagine there are a lot of offensive minded coaches would love to get their hands on him.

Very quick & very elusive indeed & he had some sort of ridiculous 20 yard per touch average before this season.

He is very small for a RB & doesn't really have the body to add much weight.

If things worked out really well you could see him being a nice complementary piece that could maybe get 10 touches a game. Maximum upside would be that he develops into a Dexter McCluster level player.

I'd guess he'd struggle to get on the field apart from kick returns. (But I did think T-Rich would be the dogs wotsits so I'm far from a reliable expert)

TO.

HigginsJ wrote: »

Very quick & very elusive indeed & he had some sort of ridiculous 20 yard per touch average before this season.

He is very small for a RB & doesn't really have the body to add much weight.

If things worked out really well you could see him being a nice complementary piece that could maybe get 10 touches a game. Maximum upside would be that he develops into a Dexter McCluster level player.

I'd guess he'd struggle to get on the field apart from kick returns. (But I did think T-Rich would be the dogs wotsits so I'm far from a reliable expert)

Thing is with Thomas he has always been a dual threat back. His Freshman year he avg around 10 ypc and 13 per catch and just over 500 yards in 55 carries. Thing is though he mopped up the work done by James and Barner. A season later as a Sophmore his carries near doubled and his ypc went to around 7.5 and catches near 10 and 700 odd yards.

As Junior this year he was unlucky with that ankle injury that put him out of 4 and half games and on his return it took him a couple of games to get going again. But his numbers weren't to shabby for a guy who missed a chunk of the season. 6.2 ypc and 500+ yard and 11.2 per catch. Not too mention his special teams work.

Although only college with that kind of production the kid has talent and with the right system he could pose a threat. He wont be an every down back thats for sure but he will get his shot I feel out of the backfield. Someone will grab him in the draft as a bargain basement pick and use him right.

davyjose

Gerald Polite Smallpox wrote: »

id love the eagles to reunite him with chip but i think he will go to high for us with our top picks likely to be on defense.

why do you think hes nuts?

As Higgins said, he's been hurt so his draft stock is a lot lower than it would have been a year ago. I think, as TO said, he's not an every down back. To be honest, I'm not sure we've seen him in his best position, which would be as a receiver in the mould of Harvin/T.Y. Hilton. With Josh Huff finishing his senior year, he'd have seen a lot of time as a receiver.

The guy is lightning in space, nigh on unstoppable, but breaking that first tackle will be an issue in the NFL. He'll certainly go in as a PR/KR and be very good IMO, but if he'd played one more year in Oregon as a receiver (he has good hands) his draft stock would be very high.

D3PO

Gerald Polite Smallpox wrote: »

id love the eagles to reunite him with chip but i think he will go to high for us with our top picks likely to be on defense.

why do you think hes nuts?

why ? We don't need a RB with Shady and Bryce Brown. It would be a waste of a pick as it wouldn't improve the team.

D3PO

TO. wrote: »

Thomas will find time in the backfield in the Pros. He may be small but is fast as fook and extremely agile. The way the game is moving there will be use for him in someones offensive scheme as a running back.

perfect fit for New Orleans tbf

D3PO

D3PO wrote: »

perfect fit for New Orleans tbf

i would have said the same about reggie bush

D3PO wrote: »

why ? We don't need a RB with Shady and Bryce Brown. It would be a waste of a pick as it wouldn't improve the team.

because he likely wont play a lot of rb in the league. we could use him as a kick/punt returnerand a 3rd-4th reciever.

this offseason avant il likley gone as he is costing us to much(sad as it is to say best hands in the league) cooper and maclin while likley to resign are free agents.

and we have shown we know what to do with that type of player (i think he can develop into a desean)

i think the first 2 picks and some late ones will be on the defensive side but if we can get this guy late 3rd that could be pretty huge value for a player chip knows and loves.

taidghbaby

I may be completely wrong here but part of the "lack" of production for LaMichael James may be the fact that the 49ers run a big Power run game that suits a bigger back like Gore much more! If Thomas goes to a team that can get him out in space with the ball then he could be very dangerous!

krustydoyle

So manziel has declared for the draft..

Personally I think he needs to sit for a few seasons and learn behind a good pro.

HigginsJ

krustydoyle wrote: »

So manziel has declared for the draft..

Personally I think he needs to sit for a few seasons and learn behind a good pro.

Was just coming on to post that. Think it was a no-brainer decision for him.

I agree that he could prob do with sitting for a couple of years but I doubt he gets the chance. The Browns love him by all accounts

Pudsy33

Hope he goes to the Browns. Get to see Suggs and Dumervil beat him up twice a year

krustydoyle

HigginsJ wrote: »

Was just coming on to post that. Think it was a no-brainer decision for him.

I agree that he could prob do with sitting for a couple of years but I doubt he gets the chance. The Browns love him by all accounts

So you think he can go as high as 4 in the draft??

HigginsJ

krustydoyle wrote: »

So you think he can go as high as 4 in the draft??

I wouldnt take him that high but I read that the Browns love him & if so I doubt they would risk him getting to the mid 20's with all the QB needy teams below them

Not a hope he gets a chance to sit unless a Green Bay/pats type team get him fan pressure wil be to much ala tebow

Bateman

CBS have him at 9, which would be Buffalo

davyjose

Bateman wrote: »

CBS have him at 9, which would be Buffalo

Can't see buffalo take a risk on another limited QB.

HigginsJ

davyjose wrote: »

Can't see buffalo take a risk on another limited QB.

Not after a year when Manuel showed promise

johnmcdnl

davyjose wrote: »

De'Anthont Thomas to enter the draft. I think he's nuts.

He's shown his skills and I don't think there's any real chance of him doing anything next year that he hasn't proved he can do already. Staying in college another year isn't going to benefit him much unless he used it to bulk up a bit but runs the risk of injury. If he has a bad season his stock will drop. Can't see anything he could do that would drastically improve his stock by waiting other than the possibility of winning a national championship by himself or breaking all sorts of records.

How do you see an extra year benefiting him?

Paully D

Tre Mason declares. I think he could be a canny pick for someone in the 3rd or 4th.

HigginsJ

Paully D wrote: »

Tre Mason declares. I think he could be a canny pick for someone in the 3rd or 4th.

Over 600 yards in his last 2 college games. Great way to go out.

HigginsJ

Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Adrian Hubbard & Cyrus Kouandjio all declared.

Syferus

Tre can do it all. Can bang it up the middle, get the edge on the outside, make people miss and he has very good hands. Will help any offense. Can see his stock going upwards as teams interview him and it becomes clear he's more than simply a system back, but someone is likely to get a steal.

I think whoever gets Dee Ford also will have plenty to work with. Being a hybrid DE/OLB might hurt his draft stock but it will give him plenty of opportunities to make a contribution in the NFL.

LT Greg Robinson has declared too. Formed a big part of a hell of an Auburn O-line this year.

Barney92

Any chance Clinton-Dix drops to the Packers? I do like what I've seen of him. They might have a shot now that they have the best pick of the playoff teams (I think).

HigginsJ

Barney92 wrote: »

Any chance Clinton-Dix drops to the Packers? I do like what I've seen of him. They might have a shot now that they have the best pick of the playoff teams (I think).

He is the top rated safety in the draft & most mocks I have read have him going in the top 15.

With that being said if there was a run on QB's in the top 10 (Bridgewater, Bortles, Manziel, Carr) then he & others could get pushed down.

SameOleJay

Bears will take him if he's still there (14).

Think Conte and Wright were the 2 worst rated safeties in the league this year.

kennyb3

SameOleJay wrote: »

Bears will take him if he's still there (14).

Think Conte and Wright were the 2 worst rated safeties in the league this year.

I think it's impossible to say until we've seen free agency . If they sign a safety in FA (Clemons, Ward, Whitner & Bryd are all possible signings) and don't get a DE or DT, then I think we'll see either of these.

Personally I think drafting a safety at 14, with our Dline would be too much of a luxury. Our safties are shi't but free agency safties are cheaper than DE's.

D3PO

Gerald Polite Smallpox wrote: »

i would have said the same about reggie bush



because he likely wont play a lot of rb in the league. we could use him as a kick/punt returnerand a 3rd-4th reciever.

this offseason avant il likley gone as he is costing us to much(sad as it is to say best hands in the league) cooper and maclin while likley to resign are free agents.

and we have shown we know what to do with that type of player (i think he can develop into a desean)

i think the first 2 picks and some late ones will be on the defensive side but if we can get this guy late 3rd that could be pretty huge value for a player chip knows and loves.

I agree with ya first round has to be a safety. (although Id love to get Byrd in FA) If I see Chung or Allen on the field again next season especially Chung I'm likely to have an aneurism. Second round should most likely be a defensive lineman and I really don't see Thomas around in the late 3rd tbh

davyjose

johnmcdnl wrote: »

He's shown his skills and I don't think there's any real chance of him doing anything next year that he hasn't proved he can do already. Staying in college another year isn't going to benefit him much unless he used it to bulk up a bit but runs the risk of injury. If he has a bad season his stock will drop. Can't see anything he could do that would drastically improve his stock by waiting other than the possibility of winning a national championship by himself or breaking all sorts of records.

How do you see an extra year benefiting him?

Well his stock is down. He played the season mostly hurt and it was a down year statistically. I also think he's been played out of position. Hes too small to be an NFL running back. With guys like Huff moving on, he has an opportunity to play more of a receiver role. I think he would Light. It. Up in that role. He has great hands and is uncatchable in space.
Nobody is going to throw more than a fifth round pick at a PR/KR.
Chip Kelly leaving was the worst thing that happened him. Kelly had him playing situationally in special teams and as a receiver and running back. I believe he was trying to find what role suited him best. Helfrich essentially threw him in as a RB. But I do think he'd have been put in the slot next season.
Tl;dr: the new improved TY Hilton will now get lost on somebody's practice team.

Chucky the tree

Kiper with his mock draft.....

D3PO

D3PO wrote: »

I agree with ya first round has to be a safety. (although Id love to get Byrd in FA) If I see Chung or Allen on the field again next season especially Chung I'm likely to have an aneurism. Second round should most likely be a defensive lineman and I really don't see Thomas around in the late 3rd tbh

chung should retire plain and simple, allen was serviceable and i like earl wolff but he seems vern injury prone so ya id love to grab haha in the first,

i think chip will go best player available once its not a rb or maby a tackle/ or best defensive player available i don't think he's gona set his heart on a player or position just stick to his draft board.

id love to see byrd as well but big free agency signings scare me since the you know what team

Chucky the tree

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Kiper with his mock draft.....

what the what i think that pic is purely to make some vikes fans happy in there pants. im like johnny but id be shocked if he went one.

Red Crow

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Kiper with his mock draft.....

This was his mock this time last year:

1. Kansas City Chiefs - Luke Joeckel, OT (Texas A&M)
2. Jacksonville Jaguars - Damontre Moore, DE (Texas A&M)
3. Oakland Raiders - Star Lotulelei, DT (Utah)
4. Philadelphia Eagles - Dee Milliner, CB (Alabama)
5. Detroit Lions - Jarvis Jones, LB (Georgia)
6. Cleveland Browns - Bjoern Werner, DE (Florida State)
7. Arizona Cardinals - Chance Warmack, G (Alabama)
8. Buffalo Bills - Manti Te'o, LB (Notre Dame)
9. New York Jets - Barkevious Mingo, DE (LSU)
10. Tennessee Titans - Dion Jordan, DE (Oregon)

It's not bad bar DaMontre Moore who went in the 3rd round to the Giants and Te'o went to the Chargers in the 2nd. He had Eric Fisher at 11 at this stage too.

His last few picks for the Dolphins gave me a good laugh. Thank god he isn't their GM. Although he did give them Patterson last year which was a good shout.

2012: Riley Reiff, OT Iowa

2011: Mark Ingram, RB Alabama

2010: Rolando McClain, ILB Alabama

2009: Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR Maryland

2008: Glenn Dorsey, DT LSU

Paully D

Read a book a while back from a former agent who said that Kiper was well know for listing a player quite high or talking him up on his mock drafts purely because of his relationship with said players agent.

For that reason I find it hard to believe he's genuine with some of his selections.

Illegal Procedure is the name of the book by the way. Worth picking up. Some of the said chapter on Kiper is available as part of the Google Books preview:

http://books.google.ie/books?id=4EJC0IpPf58C&pg=PA100&lpg=PA100&dq=illegal+procedure+mel+kiper&source=bl&ots=WjoZZvMHYZ&sig=czoyyOkXlOPRwMUFW-ZRSgRSrPQ&hl=en&sa=X&ei=bfPWUr-lJLGv7AaJv4HIAw&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=illegal%20procedure%20mel%20kiper&f=false

HigginsJ

I think no way does Manziel go 1 ( & I love Johnny F) With that being said there is no way that if Bridgewater was there that the Raaaaaiders would pass on him.

Syferus

They are the Raiders, though. They have a reputation to maintain.

Manziel has always been a flier and some were ranking him ridiculously low until recently. Don't know about #1 but it's more believable than some of the early mocks.

Bridgewater is the safer pick as a QB but Manziel is the sort of playmaker you can see a high drafting team falling in love with and taking.

GoldFour4

Two guys from NFL.com just did a live mock draft for the first round. Some interesting variations. Both agreeing that we will have 3 QB's gone in the top 10 though. I haven't heard an awful lot about Blake Bortles before now, (although I didn't watch a lot of college ball this year). Kiper has him going ahead of Bridgewater. What's the story with him, anyone studied up on him?

NFL.com mock here

Paully D

malistheman wrote: »

Two guys from NFL.com just did a live mock draft for the first round. Some interesting variations. Both agreeing that we will have 3 QB's gone in the top 10 though. I haven't heard an awful lot about Blake Bortles before now, (although I didn't watch a lot of college ball this year). Kiper has him going ahead of Bridgewater. What's the story with him, anyone studied up on him?

NFL.com mock here

Jesus, if Sammy Watkins falls to us at #16 I'll need a new pair of underpants. Very little chance of it happening though IMO. Jeremiah pencils him in to the Rams at #2, which is what Matt Miller also did in his mock draft, and I'd imagine that will be closer to his landing spot.

Lee would be a canny pick up too. I think he'll still be on the board for us with Watkins and Evans gone.