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Rolf Harris charged with multiple nonce crimes..

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    #122
    Cody Pomeray
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Cody Pomeray


    GalwayGuy2 wrote: »
    Um, yes, it is wrong/unnatural to have sexual attraction to prepubescent children...
    What does "un-natural" mean?

    I don't know enough about the causes of paedophilic desires to know where it comes from? Do you?

    I have read a book that suggests it's a statistical inevitability brought on by nature and childhood cues. Seems plausible.


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    #123
    GalwayGuy2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,269 ✭✭✭GalwayGuy2


    What does "un-natural" mean?

    I don't know enough about the causes of pedophilia desires to know where it comes from? Do you?

    I have read a book that suggests it's a statistical inevitability brought on by nature and childhood cues. Seems plausible.

    I'd class unnatural as not being in the normal sphere of sexuality.

    I can honestly not think of a society, past or present, that being attracted to prepubescent children was seen as the norm.


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    #124
    Cody Pomeray
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Cody Pomeray


    Of course it's not the norm. The norm is not the same thing as natural.

    Homosexuality is not the norm. It probably is natural, or at least there is a large natural component.

    I am not comparing homosexuality to paedophilia, in case anyone thinks so.


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    #125
    lukesmom
    Registered Users Posts: 4,400 ✭✭✭lukesmom


    Cody Pomeray wrote: »
    Of course it's not the norm. The norm is not the same thing as natural.

    Homosexuality is not the norm. It probably is natural, or at least there is a large natural component.

    I am not comparing homosexuality to paedophilia, in case anyone thinks so.

    You just did


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    #126
    Cody Pomeray
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Cody Pomeray


    lukesmom wrote: »
    You just did
    Read this slowly. I said something that is natural does not have to be "the norm". I then gave an example of a sexual interest that is natural (or has a large natural component) but which is not the "norm".

    It doesn't mean homosexuality and paedophilia have any relation to one another.


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    #127
    KyussBishop
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    DublinWriter wrote: »
    That's just so much moral relativism. What's wrong now is the same as what was wrong then.

    Just because corporal punishment was made illegal in 1982, was it a-okay for an adult teacher to physically hit a child in the previous years?

    The reason I put Jerry Lee Lewis, Jimmy Page and Bill Wyman in the paedophile category is because they slept with girls under the age of 16.
    That's not pedophilia though, that's hebephilia (if they were not below I think 11-13). Doesn't mean it's not wrong, just worth noting the difference.


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    #128
    chopper6
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    Cody Pomeray wrote: »
    What does "un-natural" mean?

    I don't know enough about the causes of paedophilic desires to know where it comes from? Do you?

    I have read a book that suggests it's a statistical inevitability brought on by nature and childhood cues. Seems plausible.


    I too have read a book that suggets that some people are just evil bastards who want to hurt children because they have no courage to tackle adults.

    Also plausible,no?


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    #129
    Hobbes
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    Amalgam wrote: »
    I've only got Keith Chegwin to reminisce about innocently.

    NSFW

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klXUOM4wtT8


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    #130
    Tom M
    Site Banned Posts: 51 ✭✭Tom M


    DublinWriter wrote: »
    That's just so much moral relativism. What's wrong now is the same as what was wrong then.

    Just because corporal punishment was made illegal in 1982, was it a-okay for an adult teacher to physically hit a child in the previous years?

    The reason I put Jerry Lee Lewis, Jimmy Page and Bill Wyman in the paedophile category is because they slept with girls under the age of 16.

    Maybe sometime in the future it will be seen as truly evil to eat animals punishable by a lengthy prison sentence.


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    #131
    lukesmom
    Registered Users Posts: 4,400 ✭✭✭lukesmom


    Cody Pomeray wrote: »
    Read this slowly. I said something that is natural does not have to be "the norm". I then gave an example of a sexual interest that is natural (or has a large natural component) but which is not the "norm".

    It doesn't mean homosexuality and paedophilia have any relation to one another.


    Ok sorry


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    #132
    o1s1n
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    Master of the Universe


    Tom M wrote: »
    Maybe sometime in the future it will be seen as truly evil to eat animals punishable by a lengthy prison sentence.

    What a bizarre and highly unlikely comparison.


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    #133
    Caonima
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 772 ✭✭✭Caonima


    ROFL Harris, more like.

    They may as well put everyone from the Beeb at that time in cuffs.


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    #134
    Hoop66
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    Every time I read the title of this thread, I start singing "Nonce crimes, 1984".

    Thanks for listening.


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    #135
    La_Gordy
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    Cody Pomeray wrote: »
    Read this slowly. I said something that is natural does not have to be "the norm". I then gave an example of a sexual interest that is natural (or has a large natural component) but which is not the "norm".

    It doesn't mean homosexuality and paedophilia have any relation to one another.

    It is perfectly normal for consenting adults to pump each other.

    It is wrong for an adult to engage in any sexual activitiy with a child. You are comparing the two.


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    #136
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
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    it's not normal for consenting adults of the same gender to pump each other

    it's just.. by definition.. not normal

    stop looking to be offended


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    #137
    Sunglasses Ron
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    Just took a quick look at the Rolf Harris official FB

    not morons now are they he's a pervert a child molester
    Whats with the spanners in here sticking up for him!!! They have found images that he has taken so guess that means he's a dirty pedo !!! Good luck on the inside Rolf
    How many other young girls have not reported this kiddie fiddler? It is difficult to come forward with lawyers attacking you.

    While I will be the first to admit that the child porn allegation seems bang to rights on the surface, Joe Public has not seen the details. An issue of, for example, was it accessed from his own laptop or a work PC at his business which others had access to, has not been released to the public.

    These morons really make you wonder as to what sort of quality control goes into jury selections. I remember out of curiosity looking at some Coronation St page after Kevin (actor) was arrested. The ink wasn't dry on the charge sheet before the hordes were calling for him to be executed without trial.

    Presumably, of course, these Corrie fans had no problem with the original investigation being dropped and went back to watching him on TV happily every other night until the case was re opened.


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    #138
    old hippy
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    Caonima wrote: »
    ROFL Harris, more like.

    They may as well put everyone from the Beeb at that time in cuffs.

    No they might as well not. All the camermen, the canteen staff, the cleaners, admin, human resources, runners, broadcast assistants, producers, drivers, accountants, rights, copyrights, sales?

    Please stop generalising. The BBC was and is a lot more than a handful of high profile abusers.


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    #139
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »
    it's not normal for consenting adults of the same gender to pump each other

    it's just.. by definition.. not normal

    stop looking to be offended

    It's completely normal - as well you know, stop trying to be so controversial.


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    #140
    anncoates
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    Nionce is such a great insult.

    I always read it in a bellicose cockney voice prefixed with Fahking.


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    #141
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    anncoates wrote: »
    Nionce is such a great insult.

    I always read it in a bellicose cockney voice prefixed with Fahking.
    fahking kant


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    #142
    Sunglasses Ron
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭Sunglasses Ron


    anncoates wrote: »
    Nionce is such a great insult.

    I always read it in a bellicose cockney voice prefixed with Fahking.



    Well said about 20 secs in :)


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    #143
    anncoates
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    fahking kant

    Innit.

    Fahking kid-bovvering cahnt.


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    #144
    [Deleted User]
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    Next up....Chuckle Brothers.


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    #145
    Flibbles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 724 ✭✭✭Flibbles


    LittleNipper wrote: »
    Next up....Chuckle Brothers.

    To me...to you!

    Wrong. Just wrong.


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    #146
    o1s1n
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    Master of the Universe


    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »
    it's not normal for consenting adults of the same gender to pump each other

    it's just.. by definition.. not normal

    stop looking to be offended

    Depends how you're applying the word 'normal'.

    Here's the definition of the word -

    conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected.

    Is it 'normal' for gay consenting adults of the same gender to 'pump each other?'


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    #147
    Fred Swanson
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    #148
    chopper6
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    LittleNipper wrote: »
    Next up....Chuckle Brothers.


    Yep...and i'd i'd put a few bob on Roy cropper too.


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    #149
    [Deleted User]
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    Is it me, or as each day goes by is it getting harder to tell the difference between the queen’s honours list and the sex offenders register?


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    #150
    bodice ripper
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    old hippy wrote: »
    It's completely normal - as well you know, stop trying to be so controversial.


    how DARE you try to define my sexuality from your place of privilege!


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    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,556 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    o1s1n wrote: »
    Depends how you're applying the word 'normal'.

    Here's the definition of the word -

    conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected.

    Is it 'normal' for gay consenting adults of the same gender to 'pump each other?'

    if he was talking about only gay adults then yes it would be normal but considering the small % of the population that is actually gay then it is not normal for two consenting adults to engage in homosexual sex.

    and old hippy. normal means normal, not good/bad/acceptable/unnaceptable. you knew exactly what I meant but still jumped in to talk absolute ****e.


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