Irish Girls & Guys Sexual Relationships

shane9689

ScumLord wrote: »

Once the Irish get overseas they start breeding like mad. There's what? 40 million people of Irish descent in America apparently. That doesn't happen by accident. Everyone else seems to think we're sexy, but we don't, it's like "stony grey soil" in reverse.

agree with this

Bullchomper

Bless me father for I have sinned. Over 40 times.

Sunglasses Ron

conorhal wrote: »

Indeed...

Oh and what teenager today is 'constrained by Catholic guilt'? Iv'e never met one.

Did it ever even apply in Ireland? I have only ever heard the term said by Irish American characters in films/ TV. I think in the old days most women were so religious they didn't do much "immoral" to be guilty about. And most men really only went to mass to please the wife and go for a chat in the lobby with other old farmers halfway through it.

Penfailed

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I spent a night chatting up a Turkish girl in a Dublin club before the summer. She was absolutely astounded that I went over and introduced myself to her randomly, and completely disbelieving when, at the end of the night, I informed her that I was busy the next afternoon so hadn't been drinking at all.
Her experience of Irish guys was that they'd never make the first move and if they did, would have to have downed a pint of whiskey first.

So...did you get the ride?

markomuscle

Sexual appetites lower than the Britons? I have quite a high sexual appetite myself.

I spend a good amount of time in England and do notice that people seem to be more open to talk about sex in normal conversations than they would be here, even the people you wouldn't classify as 'sluts'.

I would prefer to date someone with a lesser sexual appetite, less chance of them playing away.

Caonima

Prudish Irish... not really. I think we hold our own when it comes to sleeping around and all the kinkiness that comes with it. I don't feel weighed down by catholic guilt or any of that shite; I find it is a very poor excuse to use for not being interested in sex or putting it around.

I'm happy with most of my accomplishments so far.

I've picked up a girl in Fibber Magees in Dublin after 2 minutes of talking to her - went back to her place.

Random sex encounters from the Internet (back when Craigslist wasn't full of hookers)

Been in 2 threesomes with two other girls in China so far.

Been to naked saunas here with people of all ages and both sexes.

Sex outdoors, in shop changing rooms.

Got a blowjob behind the stairs in RiRa nightclub.

Lots of other good stuff, and I'd bet my bottom dollar that most people here probably have similar stories.

KingOfFairview wrote: »

See anyone bein bummed?

I have, yeah. Have a gay friend who didn't like going to saunas alone back in Dublin, so I used to go with him to the Boilerhouse the odd time, just to keep him company until he got lucky. The top floor of that place... jaysus.... :eek:

ScumLord

Caonima wrote: »

Lots of other good stuff, and I'd bet my bottom dollar that most people here probably have similar stories.

Yeah, Totally. :cool:

Wibbs

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

You're twenty million times more likely to get ONS anywhere in Ireland on a night out than anywhere in Spain (away from the coastal resorts). That goes for both genders. I'm speaking from experience here.

Ditto and +1000. Goes for Italy too. France wouldn't be far behind either. While ONS go on within groups who know each other already, the complete strangers who just met a few hours ago in a pub/club going home together is pretty damned rare in my experience and from what locals have told me. In Ireland(or at least Dublin which would be my experience base) stranger ONS are very common by comparison. Personally speaking I've had way more complete stranger ONS's compared to knowing someone even a little beforehand ONS's.

I found the UK is very similar to here. Now I dunno about places like Germany, the Netherlands as not had much on the ground experience so dunno.Various places in Eastern Europe, again I'd draw a blank, though mates of mine have hooked up in that neck of the woods.

And Irish people dress conservatively? I've had to tone down how much boobage I show since moving here because I stuck out like a sore thumb.

Again that has been my experience too. I've heard many the foreign woman(and man) note that Irish women seem to dress in more what they'd call more nighttime attire for work as an example. Though on nights out I'd say the UK folks in some areas at least are even more all on view than us.

Now if we were having this convo in the mid 80's I'd agree that we weren't as sexually open or experienced as others, but we well swung that pendulum since.

Wibbs

Caonima wrote: »

I'd bet my bottom dollar that most people here probably have similar stories.

Well no threesomes*, I don't like being confused what to do to whom if it's two women and if it's two men and a woman I don't like the competition and another willie that close to me. Shopdoors? Outside? Naw I like my comfort I do.



*wellll once. Kinda bored me TBH. I don't dig the whole "lesbian" thing most straight men seem to, so meh.

Aidric

Caonima wrote: »

Been in 2 threesomes with two other girls in China so far.

Were the chicks hairy?

seenitall

Wibbs wrote: »

Now I dunno about places like Germany, the Netherlands as not had much on the ground experience

Wibbs - the special sexual envoy to Germany and Netherlands.

Eastern Europe (or the bit I know of it in any case) would also be more conservative than here when it comes to ONS (as you say, the complete stranger sex is less common) but a freer attitude to the body in general than here (e.g. topless bathing, nudist beaches) etc.

Legs.Eleven

seenitall wrote: »

Wibbs - the special sexual envoy to Germany and Netherlands.

Eastern Europe (or the bit I know of it in any case) would also be more conservative than here when it comes to ONS (as you say, the complete stranger sex is less common) but a freer attitude to body in general than here (e.g. topless bathing, nudist beaches) etc.

Liberal attitudes when it comes to the body have a hell of a lot to do with the fact that these countries have a guaranteed Summer.

seenitall

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

Liberal attitudes when it comes to the body have a hell of a lot to do with the fact that these countries have a guaranteed Summer.

I'm not convinced. I've lived in Ireland (and very near some famous beaches as well) for a long time now (more than a decade). There has been some good weather some summers (like the one just gone) but I've never seen anyone ever go topless (perhaps it's illegal?) like women do where I'm from.

Let alone seeing almost all the little girls, (down to 2 year olds!) wearing bathing suits or bikinis, which I think is pretty ridiculous as they don't have breasts until they're preteens or whatever. Just having an unnecessary big patch of wet textile on them. My daughter (7) was the only girl in her swimming class who wore what I term her swimming "knickers" which are super pretty and flowery with bows. She doesn't need more than that. But in the end I caved and got her a bikini. :rolleyes:

I think there's much more at play here than just the lack of good weather.

Legs.Eleven

seenitall wrote: »

I'm not convinced. I've lived in Ireland (and very near some famous beaches as well) for a long time now (more than a decade). There has been some good weather some summers (like the one just gone) but I've never seen anyone ever go topless (perhaps it's illegal?) like women do where I'm from.

Let alone seeing almost all the little girls, (down to 2 year olds!) wearing bathing suits or bikinis, which I think is pretty ridiculous as they don't have breasts until they're preteens or whatever. Just having an unnecessary big patch of wet textile on them. My daughter (7) was the only girl in her swimming class who wore what I term her swimming "knickers" which are super pretty and flowery with bows. She doesn't need more than that. But in the end I caved and got her a bikini. :rolleyes:

I think there's much more at play here than just the lack of good weather.

I have a Spanish female friend who au-paired for an American family in the states who went absolutely biserk at her for letting the little girl go topless on the beach over there. My sister lives there too and she had the same looks from people when she let my niece run around topless and some people took it upon themselves to tell her how to parent her. I suppose it depends on your experiences but yes, I've heard it's the case back home as well.


Irish summers are brutal generally - if we'd more of them to the point where it became something normal and people had no choice but to expose more, I think things would change. It's not normal in Ireland because we have no beach/outdoor pool culture. Almost every European country bar Ireland has a Summer, so less clothes is not a choice but almost a necessity.

Caonima

Wibbs wrote: »

Well no threesomes*, I don't like being confused what to do to whom if it's two women and if it's two men and a woman I don't like the competition and another willie that close to me. Shopdoors? Outside? Naw I like my comfort I do.



*wellll once. Kinda bored me TBH. I don't dig the whole "lesbian" thing most straight men seem to, so meh.

Was flabberghasted the first time it happened; didn't really cop on to what was happening until we were all in a taxi and I was thinking "feck, how the hell did this happen?".

Aidric wrote: »

Were the chicks hairy?

Nah, Brazilians both. The myths are false.

seenitall

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

I have a Spanish female friend who au-paired for an American family in the states who went absolutely biserk at her for letting the little girl go topless on the beach over there. My sister lives there too and she had the same looks from people when she let my niece run around topless and some people took it upon themselves to tell her how to parent her. I suppose it depends on your experiences but yes, I've heard it's the case back home as well.

Yes, that's the attitude I can't wrap my head around. It's a clear-cut case of cultural difference. I see an unnecessary piece of textile, while they see indecency. I would be much more able to understand it if there were any actual breasts in the picture.

As for this "when you're that hot you have no choice but to bare all", look, I'm not saying there's nothing to that theory, especially nowadays; but also, if watching phillums like "Out of Africa" has taught me anything, it is that people seem to be able to suffer an unusual amount of discomfort and punishment on their bodies purely in order to be seen as decent, correct, and moral.

Caonima

seenitall wrote: »

Yes, that's the attitude I can't wrap my head around. It's a clear-cut case of cultural difference. I see an unnecessary piece of textile, while they see indecency. I would be much more able to understand it if there were any actual breasts in the picture.

This is a very quintessentially American issue. Pedos under every stone, behind every sandcastle, selling the lollypops on the beach. That poor nation, I weep for it. When I was a kid .... etc etc... sure you'd be legging it around the beach with sod all on except your bottoms, girls and boys.

Over here in China, I've gone to naked saunas and the beach and stuff, parents are obviously wary but they're not losing their minds over it. In fact, I almost felt a little uncomfortable myself with some of what I saw.

Legs.Eleven

seenitall wrote: »

Yes, that's the attitude I can't wrap my head around. It's a clear-cut case of cultural difference. I see an unnecessary piece of textile, while they see indecency. I would be much more able to understand it if there were any actual breasts in the picture.

As for this "when you're that hot you have no choice but to bare all", look, I'm not saying there's nothing to that theory, especially nowadays; but also, if watching phillums like "Out of Africa" has taught me anything, it is that people seem to be able to suffer an unusual amount of discomfort and punishment on their bodies purely in order to be seen as decent, correct, and moral.

But Irish women have no problem baring a lot more than your average continental on a night out. Never got the "decent, correct and moral" vibe walking around Dublin when I lived there (and I mean that with respect - don't give a ****e what anyone wears and I think women generally look well). As I said previously, I came here and wore low cut tops on a night out, I'd get looks. I was never one for provocative clothing and I'd only have part of my breasts on view. Never got the stink eye in Ireland for that.

seenitall

I don't know about the US, never been there, but in Ireland I don't think it's a "pedo" thing. I think it's merely one of numerous little facets and ways that religion still has a hold on an average person's mind, even in some cases, when the person is an atheist. Sometimes, culture is an insidious thing.

What I am saying is that, if the CC (for example) preached for hundreds of years that bare breasts are to be celebrated and looked upon at any available opportunity, it is women going topless that would be the normal and decent thing to do, and women covering 'em up would be considered immoral and not readily understandable; and that would go for the thinking of most people in the country, religious and atheist alike.

Caonima

seenitall wrote: »

I don't know about the US, never been there, but in Ireland I don't think it's a "pedo" thing. I think it's merely one of numerous little facets and ways that religion still has a hold on an average person's mind, even in some cases, when the person is an atheist. Sometimes, culture is an insidious thing.

What I am saying is that, if the CC (for example) preached for hundreds of years that bare breasts are to be celebrated and looked upon at any available opportunity, it is women going topless that would be the normal and decent thing to do, and women covering 'em up would be considered immoral and not readily understandable; and that would go for the thinking of most people in the country, religious and atheist alike.

And the CC, for a religious organisation (and religion) that thrived on procreation and no contraception, the idea of hiding breasts seems a little fatuous

seenitall

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

But Irish women have no problem baring a lot more than your average continental on a night out. Never got the "decent, correct and moral" vibe walking around Dublin when I lived there (and I mean that with respect - don't give a ****e what anyone wears and I think women generally look well). As I said previously, I came here and wore low cut tops on a night out, I'd get looks. I was never one for provocative clothing and I'd only have part of my breasts on view. Never got the stink eye in Ireland for that.

Key words bolded there. Ties in with how relatively easy it is (as you said) to get into an ONS here compared to the Continent. Most intelligent people know their audience, and so do the Irish women. Out in the country, that same woman will go to the Sunday mass, and she won't be dressed as she was when she was on the pull in Dublin on Friday night. It would be a scandal!!

I think probably the same thing applies to most beaches here. There are perhaps too many blue rinse brigade curtain twitchers around on a nice sunny day for the comfort of any woman who'd dare to bare?

seenitall

Caonima wrote: »

And the CC, for a religious organisation (and religion) that thrived on procreation and no contraception, the idea of hiding breasts seems a little fatuous

I don't mean solely the CC. Lump in pretty much any monotheistic religion here. Hiding the body, appearing more "moral" by showing less flesh etc. didn't descend from thin air.

Aidric

seenitall wrote: »

Eastern Europe (or the bit I know of it in any case) would also be more conservative than here when it comes to ONS

That's a fact. You haven't a snowballs chance in hell of getting a Russian/Ukrainian bird in to the sack on the first night. In fact you're looking at a couple of dates at least.

Czarcasm

seenitall wrote: »

I'm not convinced. I've lived in Ireland (and very near some famous beaches as well) for a long time now (more than a decade). There has been some good weather some summers (like the one just gone) but I've never seen anyone ever go topless (perhaps it's illegal?) like women do where I'm from.

We really don't have the long stretches of pure sandy beaches they have on the continent, but there are plenty of women who prefer to sunbathe out in their back gardens in the comfort and privacy of their own homes (or in their front garden in the case of one 70 year old woman I know who likes to get her baps out at the first sign of sunshine! ).

Let alone seeing almost all the little girls, (down to 2 year olds!) wearing bathing suits or bikinis, which I think is pretty ridiculous as they don't have breasts until they're preteens or whatever. Just having an unnecessary big patch of wet textile on them.

Ahh that's more I think to do with fashion over function tbh, and even less to do with modesty or lack thereof.

My daughter (7) was the only girl in her swimming class who wore what I term her swimming "knickers" which are super pretty and flowery with bows. She doesn't need more than that. But in the end I caved and got her a bikini. :rolleyes:

You caved in the face of what you saw everyone else doing, which is how these things normally work- if you're the only one getting naked on a beach full of hundreds of people, you're naturally going to be intimidated. How you deal with that is what makes the difference (I'll forever curse the lads I worked with a few years back that told me Ballybunion was a nudist beach, I ran naked down the beach with some old guy running after me telling me to put my clothes back on :pac:).

I think there's much more at play here than just the lack of good weather.

Absolutely, over here we're more passive aggressive about what we DON'T want to see, as opposed to continental attitudes where they're more "whatever you're having yourself", because they're so used to seeing people of all shapes and sizes in their, *ahem*, full glory

(Hell, even when I stand out naked on my own balcony my wife tells me "Come back in from there, nobody wants to see... that!" :pac:).

Caonima

seenitall wrote: »

I don't mean solely the CC. Lump in pretty much any monotheistic religion here. Hiding the body, appearing more "moral" by showing less flesh etc. didn't descend from thin air.

Oh, I'm not arguing that at all. It's the classic confusion between what is moral and what is religious (not to be confused).

I think the Irish, on a whole, have a pretty healthy attitude to sex and sexual relationships. We all remember that trope about "there was no sex in Ireland until the Late Late Show", condoms in the Virgin Megastore, etc.

I mean, I don't agree on a leaderboard comparing ONSs between countries, but I agree with most of the other posters about France, Italy, and Spain. Pretty hard to get a ONS there. Only European country I can think of that was different for me was Denmark.

seenitall

Aidric wrote: »

That's a fact. You haven't a snowballs chance in hell of getting a Russian/Ukrainian bird in to the sack on the first night. In fact you're looking at a couple of dates at least.

Funny you said that. There was a Russian or Ukranian lady posting around these parts a couple of years ago, and she was all about her ONSs in Dublin, and how liberated she was. Mighty proud of herself. Anyone remember her?

Caonima

seenitall wrote: »

Funny you said that. There was a Russian or Ukranian lady posting around these parts a couple of years ago, and she was all about her ONSs in Dublin, and how liberated she was. Mighty proud of herself. Anyone remember her?

Ivana Fukallofyou?

seenitall

Caonima wrote: »

Oh, I'm not arguing that at all. It's the classic confusion between what is moral and what is religious (not to be confused).

Oh not to be confused, eh? I don't know what religion is about if it isn't about morals. But perhaps that's for a different thread.

L1011

MadsL wrote: »

Try the Danes instead, I dare you to keep up.

Wallet usually gives out first; unless someone else is paying

Legs.Eleven

seenitall wrote: »

Key words bolded there. Ties in with how relatively easy it is (as you said) to get into an ONS here compared to the Continent. Most intelligent people know their audience, and so do the Irish women. Out in the country, that same woman will go to the Sunday mass, and she won't be dressed as she was when she was on the pull in Dublin on Friday night. It would be a scandal!!

I think probably the same thing applies to most beaches here. There are perhaps too many blue rinse brigade curtain twitchers around on a nice sunny day for the comfort of any woman who'd dare to bare?

You wouldn't bare all in any place of worship anywhere in the world and religion is in a healthier state in Eastern Europe than Ireland.

I do see what you're saying. Ireland being the size it is, you're more likely to be a victim of that judgement. That judgement exists in Spain too though but the country being the size it is, there's more places to go to escape it. Even though I'd go topless here, I wouldn't, in a million years, go topless in my hometown situated by the sea but it has fook at to do with any deep seated shame. The very conservative, Catholic, pre-Franco era mentality is alive and well here, for example. The acceptance to go topless is not as acceptable here as you're led to believe either and I've heard from Spaniards that'd be tourists (German, British etc.) that would do the bulk of topless sunbathing. Irish women, when away from home, tend to bare all though so I don't think the reluctance to bare all is grounded in any religious shame or particular to Ireland. I suppose, as you say, a lot of it is fear of their neighbours seeing them and gossiping.

Caonima

seenitall wrote: »

Oh not to be confused, eh? I don't know what religion is about if it isn't about morals. But perhaps that's for a different thread.

Right, and religions wouldn't be religions unless they preyed on the morality of the herd. Masquerading morals as religious virtue and vice versa. But let's stay away from that, seenitall. Another thread, another day (or night).

Jonny Blaze

seenitall wrote: »

Oh not to be confused, eh? I don't know what religion is about if it isn't about morals.

Buggering children?

Paco Rodriguez

That must have been one hell of a holiday for one person to gather the sexual attitude of an entire continent!

Caonima

Paco Rodriguez wrote: »

That must have been one hell of a holiday for one person to gather the sexual attitude of an entire continent!

Patience, obi wan. It will come to you

Aidric

seenitall wrote: »

Funny you said that. There was a Russian or Ukranian lady posting around these parts a couple of years ago, and she was all about her ONSs in Dublin, and how liberated she was. Mighty proud of herself. Anyone remember her?

Ha, maybe a spoofer. Have a few Russian friends and they take a pretty firm line on this.

seenitall

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

You wouldn't bare all in any place of worship anywhere in the world and religion is in a healthier state in Eastern Europe than Ireland.

I do see what you're saying. Ireland being the size it is, you're more likely to be a victim of that judgement. That judgement exists in Spain too though but the country being the size it is, there's more places to go to escape it. Even though I'd go topless here, I wouldn't, in a million years, go topless in my hometown situated by the sea but it has fook at to do with any deep seated shame. The very conservative, Catholic, pre-Franco era mentality is alive and well here, for example. The acceptance to go topless is not as acceptable here as you're led to believe either and I've heard from Spaniards that'd be tourists (German, British etc.) that would do the bulk of topless sunbathing. Irish women, when away from home, tend to bare all though so I don't think the reluctance to bare all is grounded in any religious shame or particular to Ireland. I suppose, as you say, a lot of it is fear of their neighbours seeing them and gossiping.

LOL, I never meant you (or anyone with half a brain) would go starkers in a church, anywhere!!! I was merely referring to the cleavage on show etc. you mentioned.

I see you got my point anyway, and I take your point about Spain. At the end of the day, it's all morals and rules of conduct handed down through countless generations. They are being altered and modified and got rid of all the time, too, in Ireland, in Spain, and everywhere else.

Re: the bolded bit: when you say not baring breasts (or whatever) is down to the fear of neighbours seeing them in the nip, just take it to the final conclusion. Why do the neighbours care about this? What is this societal pressure to be clothed properly (or behave properly etc etc) about? IMO the buck stops with traditional values and mores, i.e. something that is religion-given.

The European history is so fundamentally tied in with Christianity, that we are very often not aware how deeply imbued our culture(s) is/are with those values. Some cultures more than others, some cultures in different ways than others; and as I said, stuff is changing, all the time.

nate19841

Kruse wrote: »

Perhaps it's a cultural thing with us or perhaps even a strain of Catholic guilt I'm not sure but having been to a few different countries (even as near as mainland Europe) it seems other nationalities have different attitudes towards sex and relationships.

Now I know the Irish don't do dating etc and this is not what this thread is about. Instead, I'm eager to find out why us Irish may not be as loose or liberal, say, as even our closest neighbours whom we share a lot with, the Brits. I've been to the UK many times before but I just recently got back after spending time at a wedding there. Being older now I was bewildered by liberal attitudes towards sex. It seemed to us (a group of Irish women and men out on the town) that the Brits are open to having fun of the sexual variety far more regularly that our girls and guys are at home.

Is this just a simple small city mentality at play? Let's take Dublin (our largest city)....it's pretty small compared to world standards. Perhaps in the UK's big cities there is a sense of anonymity while here at home, girls may feel a need to preserve their image among peers etc (and of course that's entirely understandable) in our smaller community. I've also noticed our dress sense compared with those across the Irish Sea. The British men and women dress provocatively while we might put on something a little more conservative on a night out.

What are peoples thoughts? Have they experienced similar?

*This is not a bash thread. Hopefully the trolls will get banned. Let's try and have a mature conversation about why our sexual appetites may be lower than the Brits*

I don't think the girls will have anonymity here because let's be honest there's always that 6 degrees of separation with people. You may not know somebody but you know their friend or friend of a friend and something could come back to haunt you.....