In what ways is Germany not fecking it up

NuckingFacker

I worked in Germany for a year. We started "official" work at 5am and finished at 3.30pm, then we did some more work... I think that might have a weeny bit to do with it. They work a lot. They also take an awful lot of pride in their work. And clean cars, they have clean cars..and they dress really well...and they are skillful feckers... there was a lot going for the place..

corktina

Germany went through a series of painful labour market reforms known as the Hartz reforms - starting a decade ago. once your initial benefits are used up things get tough.

corktina wrote: »

the difference is that they go out to look for business and we sit here waiting for it to come to us...take ALDI and LIDL, purpose built chains to sell German products in....how many shops does Dunnes or SuperValu have abroad selling Irish produce?

Musgraves who own Supervalu also own brands in the UK and Spain.

Drakares

Geuze wrote: »

YES, their apprenticeship systems are well respected, and are part of the reason why youth unemployment is lower than elsewhere.

It's just huge. My Fiance's brother is 21 and is doing a degree in software development. He works 6 months out of the year for a space agency here in Southerns Germany.. A fúcking space agency!! And he's not stuck in a postroom doing the shít work that none of the other lazy employees don't want to do

His boss recently gave him a project to regulate temperatures in an aircraft hosting humans, simply in line with his level of studies, and the boss and 2 other PhD's are molding him into a pro developer, while delegating other work to show him how everything works.

It's insane. This guy is 21 years old and they're making him into the future of the company,a huge amount of his degree marks go on what the CEO of his company says after a full report and evaluation on what has been done, how it's been performed by the student and so on.... Simply because they're a respected company and he won't say "shur he's a top lad, give him 100%" if he isn't doing well or doesn't deserve a full marked evaluation.

He absolutely loves it here, and says he will snap up a job offer from the company once the degree is finished, if they offer one.

Piliger

Elbaston wrote: »

How come Germany managed to turn itself and its economy around after that whole "war" hoopla and then all that whole Communist Berlin wall thing.

Now they're minted.

Meanwhile in Ireland, which has seen (relative) peace for many many decades now and has had zero USSR overlords/Stazi state police....fecked.


Can we copy them ?

Germans don't let success go to their heads. Irish people went crazy and borrowed and borrowed and borrowed and demanded more and more and more spending. Fair dues to them.

riclad

They have a good education system,
they Kept their manufacturing base,
they don,t send jobs oversea,s.
OUR education system ,is based on the points, system,
theres is based around ,industry, they have a good apprentice system to train students for practical jobs,industry,engineering, etc We are training doctors,nurses ,many of which go abroad
when they finish training.

eg they invest alot in solar power, green industry ,
we are 10 years behind germany.

THEY have strict limits on personal loans, mortgages
ie you cant borrow 250k, if you work
in dunnes stores ,earning 20k.

they don,t give crazy tax credits ,which encourage
people to invest in property ,
creating a bubble ,
Which ends in a collapse .

They have an effecient well run health service.

The_Valeyard

riclad wrote: »

They have a good education system,
they Kept their manufacturing base,
they don,t send jobs oversea,s.
OUR education system ,is based on the points, system,
theres is based around ,industry, they have a good apprentice system to train students for practical jobs,industry,engineering, etc We are training doctors,nurses ,many of which go abroad
when they finish training..

http://www.dw.de/new-report-reveals-shocking-state-of-german-education-system/a-5691043

hansfrei

They're getting billions of our bail out money. Handy to brag and drive big cars when your hand is in someone elses pocket.

I work a sixty hour week too BTW.

Shenshen

hansfrei wrote: »

They're getting billions of our bail out money. Handy to brag and drive big cars when your hand is in someone elses pocket.

I work a sixty hour week too BTW.

Would that be the same bailout money they provided for Ireland over the last few years?
Or did I mis-read things and Ireland is actually bailing out Germany?

anto9

hansfrei wrote: »

They're getting billions of our bail out money. Handy to brag and drive big cars when your hand is in someone elses pocket.

I work a sixty hour week too BTW.

Most Germans work a 39 hour week .They dont live to work as many think .When they work they really do work though not just clocking in and sitting on their arses .

>>Handy to brag and drive big cars <<

Fuel costs being high ,the majority of Germans drive small cars .

Christ the Redeemer

a population of 81 million helps.

Augmerson

Marshall Plan.

They would have been on their ****ing knees without it.

wazky

Beer and Sausages.

A great breakfast anyway.

diomed

They get rich slowly. We get rich quickly.

T-K-O

Then we all die.

oppenheimer1

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

They amaze me, they were cleaned out and fleeced from 2 separate World War reparations, the Americans especially did them over big time after WW2. They had to struggle through reunification at a later date but yet in 2013 they are the leading economy in Europe.

Maybe the next time we go to war they will finally be in place to fulfill their destiny. :pac:

What? I guess you didn't get the memo on the Marshall Plan??

Shenshen

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

What? I guess you didn't get the memo on the Marshall Plan??

The vast, vast majority of which went to Britain, incidentally. While in Germany, industry was dismantled and closed down with the aim of reducing industry output to 50% the level of 1938 (in the Western occupied zones, Russia took a much more stringent approach).

Drakares

Christ the Redeemer wrote: »

a population of 81 million helps.

How exactly does a larger population help?

Cody Pomeray

anto9 wrote: »

If you do go ,i hope you improve your English first ,never mind knowing German .
Out of interest what age are you ?

Obviously sarcasm doesn't translate well per bulletin board

Sh1tbag OToole

Jimoslimos wrote: »

A strong manufacturing industry that makes stuff. People buy stuff. Germany gets rich.

Ireland on the other hand had wealth built on imaginary property prices. People don't buy dreams. Ireland bankrupt

I'm no massive fan of the German way but Germany is probably the only country left in Europe that takes "making stuff" seriously.

The rest of us are happy enough to send our money away to China so we can resell their flimsy goods to each other at a much inflated price and busy ourselves looking after the resulting financial transactions (really just a few bytes on some computer running an ancient COBOL app).

Maybe accessible 3D printing will help change this some bit but I havn't much hope tbh

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Elbaston wrote: »

How come Germany managed to turn itself and its economy around after that whole "war" hoopla and then all that whole Communist Berlin wall thing.

Now they're minted.

Meanwhile in Ireland, which has seen (relative) peace for many many decades now and has had zero USSR overlords/Stazi state police....fecked.


Can we copy them ?

Because, through the last fifty years, Germans have learnt how to live within their means and not try and buy **** because their neighbours has it or take out a 100% mortgage under the impression it somehow shows success.

hansfrei

Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »

I'm no massive fan of the German way but Germany is probably the only country left in Europe that takes "making stuff" seriously.

The rest of us are happy enough to send our money away to China so we can resell their flimsy goods to each other at a much inflated price and busy ourselves looking after the resulting financial transactions (really just a few bytes on some computer running an ancient COBOL app).

Maybe accessible 3D printing will help change this some bit but I havn't much hope tbh

Italy make stuff too.

munchkin_utd

hansfrei wrote: »

Italy make stuff too.

but do the make the (very expensive) machines that the chinese buy to make their stuff?

anyhow, whilst Ireland was going mad building houses in places where there werent any jobs (except building houses on tax grants) Germany was going through a mini recession.
There was such a crisis in Germany that from 2005 to 2009 (the HEIGHT of Irelands boom) that they had a grand coalition with the 2 largest parties, the equvalent of arch enemies FF and FG putting their differences aside for the good of the country. Thats how bad things were.
When in Ireland it was considered a fact of life that you should get a 5 to 10% pay rise, in Germany there was rounds of pay cuts and redundancys which NOW has made the country way more competitive than it was before - along with years of no pay rises too.

But anyhow, everyone in Ireland was too busy buying apartments in Bulgaria to notice that places like Germany were not in a boom at the time and if anything were in a mini recession.

keithclancy

corktina wrote: »

the difference is that they go out to look for business and we sit here waiting for it to come to us...take ALDI and LIDL, purpose built chains to sell German products in....how many shops does Dunnes or SuperValu have abroad selling Irish produce?

What about penneys ?
http://www.petra.de/mode/modetrends/news/primark-stores-in-ganz-deutschland

Germans love cheap underpants

Sh1tbag OToole

hansfrei wrote: »

Italy make stuff too.

They make some nice pressure washer pumps and a few fun to drive but unreliable cars, not that there's anything wrong with that - if Italian cars were like Volkswagens the appeal would be gone.