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Homesickness
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Sounds WAY too German for my liking!
Well, exactly. This talk of "proper Irish" has an unpleasant whiff to it.
I have a parent who is not Irish and one who's ancestors came from Scotland, so even though I'm born and bred of Ireland and have the one passport... in some people's eyes I'm not "proper" or true, or pure :rolleyes:0 -
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Legs.Eleven wrote: »Doesn't matter. My point is you still left, which the Irish are inclined to do, which was my original point. Some nationalities take to the streets, the Irish leave.
I was born in Tipp, grew up part of my life in the UK, moved back to Ireland, lived in Cork for a number of years also and a few other places in between Ireland and the UK, the Netherlands and Germany.
The majority of the people in the English speaking expat groups abroad are English and American.
Irish are in the severe minority and long term, Irish are in an even smaller minority.
The majority of Irish people that emigrate 'long term' abroad (more than 2 years) have a partner usually from the country they are living in.
E.G.
Its 'normal' for English people to have a house in France and eventually retire there.
Its normal for Dutch people to go live and work in Curacao, Suriname or Indonesia
Its normal for Germans to go to the states (god knows why) to live and work for a year or two.
The French go bloody everywhere, everywhere i've lived there's always been a ton of french people around the place, they love to get out of France.
And I know you have this 'per capita' thing, but my belief is its more normal for people to Emigrate on the continent because they can simply get there more easily (driving etc) And more normal for people in England because its a 50 quid ferry across to Calais.
Ireland you're stuck flying or getting a 19 hours ferry to Roscoff before you even begin your journey.
IMO my first opinion wouldn't be the Irish are the most likely to leave, I would say the Irish are more likely to talk about leaving and going 'abroad' but in reality most of us never do. Going abroad for the vast majority of the Irish population consists of a package holiday to Lanzarote or some other sun destination.
I guess your experience is based on a experience, mine is also based on experience.
Just my opinion
Back to the homesickness thing, I only get homesick when away from where I live for an extended period of tmie, since my life is there.
Holidays are nice but getting back to your house, closing your front door flahing out on the couch and then later bringing the dog for a walk etc are things that make me happy.
The teabags and all the other stuff doesn't really matter.0 -
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keithclancy wrote: »I was born in Tipp, grew up part of my life in the UK, moved back to Ireland, lived in Cork for a number of years also and a few other places in between Ireland and the UK, the Netherlands and Germany.
The majority of the people in the English speaking expat groups abroad are English and American.
Irish are in the severe minority and long term, Irish are in an even smaller minority.
The majority of Irish people that emigrate 'long term' abroad (more than 2 years) have a partner usually from the country they are living in.
E.G.
Its 'normal' for English people to have a house in France and eventually retire there.
Its normal for Dutch people to go live and work in Curacao, Suriname or Indonesia
Its normal for Germans to go to the states (god knows why) to live and work for a year or two.
The French go bloody everywhere, everywhere i've lived there's always been a ton of french people around the place, they love to get out of France.
And I know you have this 'per capita' thing, but my belief is its more normal for people to Emigrate on the continent because they can simply get there more easily (driving etc) And more normal for people in England because its a 50 quid ferry across to Calais.
Ireland you're stuck flying or getting a 19 hours ferry to Roscoff before you even begin your journey.
IMO my first opinion wouldn't be the Irish are the most likely to leave, I would say the Irish are more likely to talk about leaving and going 'abroad' but in reality most of us never do. Going abroad for the vast majority of the Irish population consists of a package holiday to Lanzarote or some other sun destination.
I guess your experience is based on a experience, mine is also based on experience.
Just my opinion
Back to the homesickness thing, I only get homesick when away from where I live for an extended period of tmie, since my life is there.
Holidays are nice but getting back to your house, closing your front door flahing out on the couch and then later bringing the dog for a walk etc are things that make me happy.
The teabags and all the other stuff doesn't really matter.
I agree, there is actually more french in hong kong than anything else.
I dont agree that the Irish only talk about leaving , there's a lot of us in oz and nz, and i'm not just talking about the one's who 'do' Oz for a year.0 -
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Just wait until we start crowing on about "The service is much better in Australia","you wouldn't get away with that in Germany","the Netherlands had proper roads","we used to get this stuff much cheaper in London"
Anyways,be sure to have the kettle on for us,while we tell you what is wrong with the country and how our experiences abroad make us more knowledgable about everything:pac: 0 -
I was born in Tipp, grew up part of my life in the UK, moved back to Ireland, lived in Cork for a number of years also and a few other places in between Ireland and the UK, the Netherlands and Germany.
The majority of the people in the English speaking expat groups abroad are English and American.
Irish are in the severe minority and long term, Irish are in an even smaller minority.
The majority of Irish people that emigrate 'long term' abroad (more than 2 years) have a partner usually from the country they are living in.
Wouldn't it make sense that the Irish are in the minority the country being the size that it is? 64,000 British and 350,000,000 American. 5% of Americans have passports, for example. Anyway, round in circles.
In Madrid, the ex pat groups are full of Americans and English and very few Irish....but there's still thousands of Irish living here (I read some estimated stats on it a while ago. Can't find them now). The city even has it's own Gaelic Football team. Speaking for myself, I hate those ex pat hangouts. Full of people who call themselves "ex pats" and are suspicious of the locals.
I don't see what difference it makes if they have a partner in the country they're living in? That happens when you live in a foreign country - you're likely to hook up with a local and I don't think this is exclusive to Irish people and even it was, can't see the relevance.
We're not going to agree on this, so I'll leave it. 0 -
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I'm with you on that. I lived in Hong Kong up until June there and Hong Kongers aren't my favourite group of people, in fact I found the majority of the locals to be highly irritating, but when I made my couple of travels up through the mainland I found some of the rudest, rough and unwelcoming people you could ever meet.
The amount of times I saw blatant littering, spitting and all sorts of general filth in the mainland is unnerving. This is the truth; the only people who was being nice to me among the generally public were the ones who was trying to scam me. Hateful, unorganised, unwelcoming ****hole.
Hawking on the streets (or sometimes even on the floor of subway stations or on the trains and buses themselves), pissing and shitting in public, rampant littering, thieving, pilfering, clumsiness, uncaring, self-centred cunts that would walk on your throat just to get over you - that's about 98% of mainland Chinese people. The other 2% are the nice ones you meet who actually have some self-respect.
Sadly, one serious mitigating circumstance that needs to be remembered is that this is basically Mao's legacy - these people are barely one generation on from the Cultural Revolution, where people were sent to the countryside to toil and the educated and educators were cast out and maligned. They are basically a by-product of this - you can't fully blame them if they don't know any better. China also shared, in WW2, a sad history of famine as Ireland did before that. These factors, along with other cultural aspects of life in a previously insulated country have made a lot of Chinese the way they are.
My wife's mother was sent to work on a farm during the Cultural Revolution and she has told me all about it, what it was like, how it has badly affected Chinese people, and how it will take generations to erase the damage it did. She really resents it. All she had by way of entertainment was a Chinese dictionary to read there. Picture that - year after year working on a farm and all you have to read is a dictionary. Mind you, she makes an excellent Chinese teacher.
Hong Kongers, for better or for worse, have been exposed to a number of foreign cultures (notwithstanding, for example, Shanghai during the opium wars) and seem more global in their outlook, etiquette and demeanor. A preferable place to be for the socially picky
Young Chinese have an expression - Hard模式 - which means hard mode, like in a video game. They say that growing up in China is like playing a game on hard mode, compared to other Western countries being like easy mode. I have to agree. But, that said, I enjoy the challenge of living here, even if it has caused me aa serious amount of ire over the years. 3 more years, that's what I keep saying... 3 more years...0 -
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