Man your pumps, Wetherspoons are coming

drumswan

Tayto2000 wrote: »

Whelp, look like it's business as usual after all

Diageo/Heineken duopoly continues.

Eh? How do you figure that?

oblivious

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/manufacturing/wetherspoon-deal-with-heineken-leaves-irish-consumers-to-pick-up-the-tab-1.2055777


"Wetherspoon could have shaken the market up, forcing discounts from the brewers and, consequently, lower prices all round. Instead, it fluffed its lines by caving in. What a pity."

mmmh more muppetry from the Times. I don't see why the Times feels that its up to JDW to get lower beer prices for all publicans. If they can negotiate on a national scale as co-op's why would a competitor do it from them.

Reputable Rog

The Irish Times just can't make up its mind. Yesterday, cheap drink is bad, today its good.
At least with The Indo group they pick a theme and common position and run with it except for Gene Kerrigan who seems to be there to create some sort of illusion of impartiality.

anncoates

Reputable Rog wrote: »

except for Gene Kerrigan who seems to be there to create some sort of illusion of impartiality.

I'm not convinced he actually exists.

I think they draw a short straw every week and somebody has to ghost his piece through gritted teeth.

Tayto2000

oblivious wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/manufacturing/wetherspoon-deal-with-heineken-leaves-irish-consumers-to-pick-up-the-tab-1.2055777


"Wetherspoon could have shaken the market up, forcing discounts from the brewers and, consequently, lower prices all round. Instead, it fluffed its lines by caving in. What a pity."

mmmh more muppetry from the Times. I don't see why the Times feels that its up to JDW to get lower beer prices for all publicans. If they can negotiate on a national scale as co-op's why would a competitor do it from them.

It's from the economics section, not a polemic, so different take.

Existing publicans are not motivated to reduce prices to the consumer as there's little competition for market share. A large independent player could have introduced real competition for the first time. Shame.

drumswan

Tayto2000 wrote: »

Existing publicans are not motivated to reduce prices to the consumer as there's little competition for market share. A large independent player could have introduced real competition for the first time. Shame.

They are introducing real competition, how do you figure they arent all of a sudden? Because they wont be selling Heineken?

Reputable Rog

A nice little nugget in the Limerick Leader from VFI/FF Cllr Jerry O'Dea who has the distinction of being able to offer 'rehabilitated' lags their first opportunity to spend their gate money on overpriced hooch.
Jerry apparently has nothing to fear from Wetherspoons as he is giving the customers what they want, unlike Wetherspoons who are only interested in gving them cheap brands.
Kind of an ironic statement considering economy offerings like Tuborg and Fosters I imagine trade quite well in the part of town.

BeerNut

Tayto2000 wrote: »

A large independent player could have introduced real competition for the first time. Shame.

Huh? How would that work? Wetherspoon came in, offered a price to Diageo for Guinness, Diageo said it's too low, and there the matter ended. What other tactic is there for a large independent player who wants to bring down the price of the big brand beers?

lee_baby_simms

Does anyone know why JDW don't seem to have any Irish independent beers on draught?

lee_baby_simms

BeerNut wrote: »

What other tactic is there for a large independent player who wants to bring down the price of the big brand beers?

Horses head in the bed?

dzilla

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

Does anyone know why JDW don't seem to have any Irish independent beers on draught?

Maybe its in the pipeline. They stock a nice bit of bottled irish craft. I wonder can irish craft brewers meet the demand they would have?

lee_baby_simms

dzilla wrote: »

Maybe its in the pipeline. They stock a nice bit of bottled irish craft. I wonder can irish craft brewers meet the demand they would have?

Surely the demand can't be that high with just two pubs?

They have 8 degrees in bottles which is promising, for me they're producing the best beer in the country right now.

Geuze

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

Does anyone know why JDW don't seem to have any Irish independent beers on draught?

That is a good question.

I'm told Galway Hooker won't supply JD WS, so as not to upset their other customer outlets.

But surely some Irish brewer is keen to make sales?

kooga

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

Does anyone know why JDW don't seem to have any Irish independent beers on draught?

is tom creans not on draught?

oblivious

Tayto2000 wrote: »

It's from the economics section, not a polemic, so different take.

Well then I would have though they could see that any competition in the pub sector would be good for the consumer.

Tayto2000 wrote: »

Existing publicans are not motivated to reduce prices to the consumer as there's little competition for market share. A large independent player could have introduced real competition for the first time. Shame.

There are 4,500 members of VFI, thats a much lager independent group which can negotiate on behalf of it members

Padraig Mor

Reputable Rog wrote: »

Viewed the planning application for spoons in Douglas today.
13 objections ranging from people nearby concerned about noise, a couple objecting to low cost alcohol, a threat to the visual amenity of the area ( the building is already there, with minimum changes to front elevation) and one concerned publican concerned about the welfare of his staff.
Rumour has it that theyve bought The Viscount in BTown off the credit union.
Will be interesting if this comes to pass.

A whole host of Barrys objecting - quelle surprise! They seem to be suddenly very concerned about the impact of noise from Wetherspoons on apartments.

SteM

kooga wrote: »

is tom creans not on draught?

Yup, it is in Blackrock anyway.

oblivious

kooga wrote: »

is tom creans not on draught?

Are they independent or even brewed fully in Ireland?

BeerNut

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

Does anyone know why JDW don't seem to have any Irish independent beers on draught?

Same reason they don't have Guinness: they aren't offering to pay what it costs.

n97 mini

BeerNut wrote: »

Same reason they don't have Guinness: they aren't offering to pay what it costs.

Or like Heineken, the brewers won't agree to supply them and let them sell it at the price they want .

BeerNut

n97 mini wrote: »

Or like Heineken, the brewers won't agree to supply them and let them sell it at the price they want .

Seems unlikely when the price of the same Irish microbrewed beer can vary so widely already, but could be. The micros don't seem to set RRPs the way the multinationals do, however.

BaZmO*

BeerNut wrote: »

Same reason they don't have Guinness: they aren't offering to pay what it costs.

As in what it costs to produce with no margin?

BeerNut

BaZmO* wrote: »

As in what it costs to produce with no margin?

No, as in the price sticker on the barrel.

BaZmO*

BeerNut wrote: »

No, as in the price sticker on the barrel.

Ahh, yeah well that probably goes without saying.

Lucena

Padraig Mor wrote: »

A whole host of Barrys objecting - quelle surprise! They seem to be suddenly very concerned about the impact of noise from Wetherspoons on apartments.

What is a Barry? I've seen this expression, as well as 'Barry Bars' (I think) in this thread.

TheChizler

Lucena wrote: »

What is a Barry? I've seen this expression, as well as 'Barry Bars' (I think) in this thread.

Pub across the road from the new Wetherspoons in Douglas. Never been the quietest themselves.

Geuze

BeerNut wrote: »

Same reason they don't have Guinness: they aren't offering to pay what it costs.

Or Diageo won't sell, or give discounts, at a reasonable price.

Which would still be well above cost.

Idbatterim

No mention of that anywhere online, can you confirm what products?

It was for a pint of beer only (cant remember which one) Wine was E3.50 a glass, coffee 75c. Offer runs from 5th-22nd Jan from what I recall, they had the offer displayed on a poster in The Forty Foot. They also had a deal on a spirit and mixer, Jameson and one other I think...

Reputable Rog

If I recall correctly there was some attempt to set a Publicans Co-Operative in Dublin a number of years ago, to allow for greater purchasing power and get a better price of the breweries but Diageo and Heineken refused to deal with them and it died a death.
I have no doubt any savings made would not have been passed on.

The company that run the bars in Lansdowne Road secured the UK price for Guinness before it opened after threatening to import its Guinness from the UK. Something like half the price per Keg in the UK.

Lovely Bloke

The guy from Bru told me, in no uncertain terms, that he wouldn't put his beer into JDW.

Lo and behold, Dubh is on sale in TFF.

Weird, I got the impression from him that he was of the opinion that his beer was too good for JDW. I also got the impression that they hadn't approached him anyway.

listermint

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

The guy from Bru told me, in no uncertain terms, that he wouldn't put his beer into JDW.

Lo and behold, Dubh is on sale in TFF.

Weird, I got the impression from him that he was of the opinion that his beer was too good for JDW. I also got the impression that they hadn't approached him anyway.

And there it sits on the shelf in Aldi, Market talks. And Sales people love a sale. (fact)

BeerNut

Reputable Rog wrote: »

The company that run the bars in Lansdowne Road secured the UK price for Guinness before it opened after threatening to import its Guinness from the UK.

Wetherspoon considered that but ended up deciding it wasn't worth jeopardising the supply of Guinness to its UK outlets.

BeerNut

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

The guy from Bru told me, in no uncertain terms, that he wouldn't put his beer into JDW.

Lo and behold, Dubh is on sale in TFF.

Weird, I got the impression from him that he was of the opinion that his beer was too good for JDW. I also got the impression that they hadn't approached him anyway.

I suspect, but don't quote me, that the bottled Irish craft beer in Wetherspoon is bought from a separate wholesaler and not from the breweries. That way they can sell it on at a miniscule margin and the producer has no say in the matter.

oblivious

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

The guy from Bru told me, in no uncertain terms, that he wouldn't put his beer into JDW.

Lo and behold, Dubh is on sale in TFF.

Weird, I got the impression from him that he was of the opinion that his beer was too good for JDW. I also got the impression that they hadn't approached him anyway.

I head he was not a fan of them, maybe it was purchased from a third part distributor.




Beer nut got there before me

Idbatterim

13 objections ranging from people nearby concerned about noise, a couple objecting to low cost alcohol, a threat to the visual amenity of the area ( the building is already there, with minimum changes to front elevation) and one concerned publican concerned about the welfare of his staff.

objections on noise grounds when there is no music and tv blaring, hence no need to roar? These objections make me laugh...

grimm2005

Idbatterim wrote: »

It was for a pint of beer only (cant remember which one) Wine was E3.50 a glass, coffee 75c. Offer runs from 5th-22nd Jan from what I recall, they had the offer displayed on a poster in The Forty Foot. They also had a deal on a spirit and mixer, Jameson and one other I think...

Just walked past 40ft a minute ago, didn't note down everything that was on sale but they had pints of adnams, revisionist craft and I think one of their stouts on sale for €1.95 and certain spirits were €3.50.

BMJD

grimm2005 wrote: »

Just walked past 40ft a minute ago, didn't note down everything that was on sale but they had pints of adnams, revisionist craft and I think one of their stouts on sale for €1.95 and certain spirits were €3.50.

You mean to say that the below cost price didn't force you to go in and get locked, kill your liver and start a fatal brawl ala Mary Mitchell O'Connor's stark warning??

BoatMad

jaysus , cheap beer, lets all rush in and get locked, then abuse politicians

or alternatively we should stroll to that quaint irish pub, with the dirt and toilet from the 50s and pay 5 quid a pint, and praise our politicians are right and far seeing in preserving our alcoholic tradition

symbolic

BeerNut wrote: »

Same reason they don't have Guinness: they aren't offering to pay what it costs.

I suspect, but don't quote me, that the bottled Irish craft beer in Wetherspoon is bought from a separate wholesaler and not from the breweries. That way they can sell it on at a miniscule margin and the producer has no say in the matter.

I know you said not to quote you but how does this work? They don't offer enough for the Kegs to say Irish Brewery X but offer enough to Wholesaler who buys from Irish Brewery X...and wholesaler, Irish Brewery X and JDW are happy money wise in this scenario (i know this scenario is bottles)?

BeerNut

symbolic wrote: »

They don't offer enough for the Kegs to say Irish Brewery X but offer enough to Wholesaler who buys from Irish Brewery X...and wholesaler, Irish Brewery X and JDW are happy money wise in this scenario (i know this scenario is bottles)?

Yeah, basically. Bottles in the pub are more expensive per volume so there's more room for mark-up along the way. I would say JDW would be happy to sell some at cost or even less because it lets them say they have a selection of Irish stout, and because the volumes are smaller than draught, the loss is more sustainable.

Heroditas

BoatMad wrote: »

or alternatively we should stroll to that quaint irish pub, with the dirt and toilet from the 50s and pay 5 quid a pint, and praise our politicians are right and far seeing in preserving our alcoholic tradition

While getting our senses blasted with Sky Sports from plasma TVs hanging from every square inch of wall space.

Reputable Rog

I wonder if the staff in Wetherspoons here can multi task? In the UK they're useless, only taking orders at the till and then standing over a half filled pint of Guinness whilst ignoring other customers.

NIMAN

Wetherspoons provide one of the worst pub experiences I have sampled anywhere in the world. Truly awful.

Holsten

NIMAN wrote: »

Wetherspoons provide one of the worst pub experiences I have sampled anywhere in the world. Truly awful.

Why?

Can you expand on this post?

They provide cheap alcoholic drinks, cheap decent food in an comfortable environment with no music or tv. What is awful about that?

symbolic

BeerNut wrote: »

Yeah, basically. Bottles in the pub are more expensive per volume so there's more room for mark-up along the way. I would say JDW would be happy to sell some at cost or even less because it lets them say they have a selection of Irish stout, and because the volumes are smaller than draught, the loss is more sustainable.

I'd love to see all the prices along the way ☺anyone know?

symbolic

Holsten wrote: »

Why?

Can you expand on this post?

They provide cheap alcoholic drinks, cheap decent food in an comfortable environment with no music or tv. What is awful about that?

I hate going to the bar in a Wetherspoons. It seems to always take soooo long. And the staff just aren't like bar staff. That's the only downside for me. It's grand when I finally get served and hand them the change in my pocket for my pint or bottle though ha.

Attached 2.45 beer at 40 foot..

Holsten

I mean, if you actually look at their menus.. how can anyone be against this?

Forty Foot Menu.

symbolic

Holsten wrote: »

I mean, if you actually look at their menus.. how can anyone be against this?

Forty Foot Menu.

Well I'm not against it, but I do find it's a poor bar experience. I can't even sit at the bar ☺. Give me a seat at the bar in against the grain and the latest and greatest beers in the country all standing in front of me!

cruasder777

Some of the January deals in UK look good, hope they apply in Ireland.

http://www.hotukdeals.com/tag/wetherspoon

Wetherspoons January sale. Ham egg and chips £2.99

Buy Any Coffee @ Wetherspoons And For £1.00 Have A Shot (Cognac, Whisky, Bailey's etc) Added


Jamiesons, Amaretto, Tia Maria, Hennessey Brandy and Baileys for £1 at Wetherspoons when you buy a filter coffee


They do a good breakfast too, followed by a coffee with a shot I think tomorrow :-)

Bigcheeze

symbolic wrote: »

Well I'm not against it, but I do find it's a poor bar experience. I can't even sit at the bar ☺. Give me a seat at the bar in against the grain and the latest and greatest beers in the country all standing in front of me!

I hate having to reach over sitting people to get drinks at a bar. Also, Wetherspoons research showed that women found this off putting / intimidating in pubs.