Man your pumps, Wetherspoons are coming

dzilla

Anybody hear anything about the Waterford development? Everything is gone quiet and the buildings are just boarded up.

n97 mini

dzilla wrote: »

Anybody hear anything about the Waterford development? Everything is gone quiet and the buildings are just boarded up.

Have you checked has a planning permission application been lodged?

rubadub

suicide_circus wrote: »

Yeah i enjoyed the tavern far more for some reason

I never liked the old forty foot, have yet to be in the new one but still looks sterile like the old one, like a hotel bar or a crappy nightclub or something.

While I always liked the previous pubs in the tavern's spot.

questionmark?

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Given all this, it's incredibly difficult to predict whether they'll increase again, or whether they might cut them back down a bit at some point. Wetherspoons have announced price cuts for UK pubs in the past, so at the very least it's not unheard of for their prices to decrease on occasion as well

They sure do my local spoons in the UK knocked between 10p and 50p off most drinks and food offerings as the other local pubs had started offers themselves. Got to love competition and no VFI price fixing.
Not relevant to Ireland but just had to get the good news out there!!

kooga

menu from the sandpiper wetherspoons glasgow airport

the beer revolu

The one in Cork looks like it's almost ready to open.

BeerNut

Two and a half weeks to go, though I think they opened in Blanchardstown ahead of schedule, didn't they?

oblivious

BeerNut wrote: »

Two and a half weeks to go, though I think they opened in Blanchardstown ahead of schedule, didn't they?

No, publin.ie got their dates wrong

Lucena

They're not particularly cheap in Glasgow airport, with pints at 4.50. Lack of competition, I'd imagine.

Thundercats Ho

Cheaper than Stansted though.
It's showing up as £3.55 for a can of sweet action, and i was charged £4.35 in the Stansted JDW on Tuesday.

L1011

Airport rents can be hideous, and often calculated as a % of turnover meaning low margin businesses need to ramp pricing up.

rainbow kirby

Lucena wrote: »

They're not particularly cheap in Glasgow airport, with pints at 4.50. Lack of competition, I'd imagine.

Airport 'Spoons, particularly in London, are always a bit of a ripoff - the one in Gatwick doesn't even have the beer and burger deals.

thevinylword

Any sign of one coming to Limerick or Kerry?

Maynard

There's over a pound in the difference between the Spoons in central Birmingham and BHX airport. I wouldn't use the airport prices to get an accurate picture of pricing.

RasTa

Hobgoblin is €1.50 a pint at the moment in Blanch, might be all of them

Geuze

Also SixPoint cans at 1.50 from 29-Aug, manager's special deal.

Reputable Rog

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/sep/03/scotlands-minimum-alcohol-price-plan-dealt-huge-blow.

Looks like it's curtains for the nanny state proposal here as well.

oblivious

Reputable Rog wrote: »

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/sep/03/scotlands-minimum-alcohol-price-plan-dealt-huge-blow.

Looks like it's curtains for the nanny state proposal here as well.

They could look to reinstate ban on the below cost selling

Bigcheeze

Reputable Rog wrote: »

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/sep/03/scotlands-minimum-alcohol-price-plan-dealt-huge-blow.

Looks like it's curtains for the nanny state proposal here as well.

I suspect if other EU countries challenged Ireland's recent habit of disproportionately lobbing a euro on a bottle of wine, it could be deemed to be against free trade.

rubadub

oblivious wrote: »

They could look to reinstate ban on the below cost selling

apparently very little of this goes on, in the UK they did investigate and only 3 or 4 obsucre brands were below cost. I have never seen evidence of it here in Ireland, only publicans trying to make fools out of the public. I am pretty sure some own brand spirits are below cost, but not the mainstream beers like the publicans would want you to think.

I hope it's revealed how much that Deputy Varadkar has squandered in admin so far -knowing full well about the likely embarrassing mistake the scots had already made.

Once bitten, twice shy as foolish

Bigcheeze wrote: »

I suspect if other EU countries challenged Ireland's recent habit of disproportionately lobbing a euro on a bottle of wine, it could be deemed to be against free trade.

That's just excise duty, I doubt there is anything to argue against. The min pricing was quite a different thing.

Bigcheeze

rubadub wrote: »

That's just excise duty, I doubt there is anything to argue against. The min pricing was quite a different thing.

There's plenty to argue about if you're a European wine exporting country and ireland is showing favouritism to its native beer industry by charging disproportionately more excess on alcohol in wine.

Reputable Rog

Pint of Steeple red ale in Rising Sons, €5.60 for a hopped watee.
Wetherspoons will hopefully shake things up.
I'd still go somewhere like Dennehys as well though, as it's a grand pub with nice pints.

The Hill Billy

@rubadub - Do not drag this thread down by name-calling. If you cannot be civil - do not post.

tHB

Geuze

8th July 2014 to 8th Sep 2015.

5 pubs opened in 14 months.

Good going.

Gongoozler

Anybody know why nothing seems to be happening with Hanlons?

poitinstill

the Cork one had a Training day yesterday...didn't get to it myself.. interested to know the prices on opening as it seems the Dublin outlets opened high dropped low and are back up again.

out da lough

Reputable Rog wrote: »

Pint of Steeple red ale in Rising Sons, €5.60 for a hopped watee.
Wetherspoons will hopefully shake things up.
I'd still go somewhere like Dennehys as well though, as it's a grand pub with nice pints.

€5.60 for a pint made on the premises?

That seems excessive.

Geuze

From what I'm reading, JDW Blackrock TTT are launching a new menu this week.

See here:

https://www.facebook.com/TheThreeTunTavern/posts/970487222990558

Beamish is back to 2.50 - did it go up to 3.50 recently, or am I thinking of JDW Blanch?

"Craft" 33cl / 355ml bottles and cans are 2.45 - isn't this a drop back, after a previous rise?

Some whiskey is cut by 1.00 for a single.

Geuze

A quote from JDW Swords about pricing in various pubs:


"The Old Borough, Swords Hi Claire. The prices at The Old Borough are the standards Wetherspoon prices, similar to those that are in our pubs across the UK (and also Blanchardstown). The prices at the two pubs in South Dublin were introduced at a lower level when the company first opened in Ireland. As more Wetherspoon pubs open in Ireland (Cork for example in September) it will be clear that the prices at The Old Borough and Blanchardstown are the standard prices, and still extremely good value for money."

BeerNut

Geuze wrote: »

The prices at the two pubs in South Dublin were introduced at a lower level when the company first opened in Ireland.

It's about time somebody did something for the people of Blackrock and Dún Laoghaire. Well done, Mr Wetherspoon. Well done.

oblivious

Geuze wrote: »

A quote from JDW Swords about pricing in various pubs:


"The Old Borough, Swords Hi Claire. The prices at The Old Borough are the standards Wetherspoon prices, similar to those that are in our pubs across the UK (and also Blanchardstown). The prices at the two pubs in South Dublin were introduced at a lower level when the company first opened in Ireland. As more Wetherspoon pubs open in Ireland (Cork for example in September) it will be clear that the prices at The Old Borough and Blanchardstown are the standard prices, and still extremely good value for money."

So am I reading it right that the three tuns and 40 foot are going to priced lower than the rest of the chain in Ireland ?

Paz-CCFC

Geuze wrote: »

From what I'm reading, JDW Blackrock TTT are launching a new menu this week.

See here:

https://www.facebook.com/TheThreeTunTavern/posts/970487222990558

Beamish is back to 2.50 - did it go up to 3.50 recently, or am I thinking of JDW Blanch?

"Craft" 33cl / 355ml bottles and cans are 2.45 - isn't this a drop back, after a previous rise?

Some whiskey is cut by 1.00 for a single.

Yeah, everything just looks like it was before July. Except they've changed a couple of things on the menu - eg, Carlsberg and Fosters replacing Bitburger and Innis and Gunn Lager. Strange that they put the prices up for two months and then bring them back down. Maybe so they could make it look cheaper in comparison again? The one is Cork opened at the higher price, so hopefully that'll see a drop in price, similar to the Three Tun Tavern a few weeks after it opened.

Mesrine65

out da lough wrote: »

€5.60 for a pint made on the premises?

That seems excessive.

Careful now, you wouldn't want be accused of price-whinging, that's frowned upon in these quarters :rolleyes:

RasTa

Lots of new crap on the menu for Blanch. Bud, WKD, Magners, Bulmers no 17 all bottle format. Some crap called hooch.

Grey goose Vodka and Vanilla absolute

Idbatterim

It's about time somebody did something for the people of Blackrock and Dún Laoghaire. Well done, Mr Wetherspoon. Well done.

pay back time, people in these areas are likely to be done on motor tax, income tax and property tax

rubadub

oblivious wrote: »

So am I reading it right that the three tuns and 40 foot are going to priced lower than the rest of the chain in Ireland ?

I took it to mean expect an increase.

The first 2 were really low so it got talked about more. Unless they are struggling for customers I would expect it to rise so all eventually are at "the standard price". But maybe that can afford to be cheaper in those locations, I remember scotts bar sold for very little.

syklops

oblivious wrote: »

They could look to reinstate ban on the below cost selling

In a country where upto 70% of the price of booze is tax, so called below cost selling is pretty much a myth.

Reputable Rog

Prices in Cork branch are fairly good considering the location. You may argue that €3.50 for Beamish is not great when it can be got cheaper elsewhere but then again you would pay about €4.50 for a Beamish in one of the chain pubs.
€2.50 for a Cask Ale is excellent, paid €5.00 for one in the Fran Well.
Go out with €20 and get 5 or 6 pints of Doombar ( my personal favourite) or Abbot Ale and a meal.
Excellent value.

Geuze

syklops wrote: »

In a country where upto 70% of the price of booze is tax, so called below cost selling is pretty much a myth.

A pub pint of 4.3% stout at 4.10 includes tax as follows:

77 cent VAT

55 cent excise

That's 32% of the retail price.

dzilla

Reputable Rog wrote: »

Prices in Cork branch are fairly good considering the location. You may argue that €3.50 for Beamish is not great when it can be got cheaper elsewhere but then again you would pay about €4.50 for a Beamish in one of the chain pubs.
€2.50 for a Cask Ale is excellent, paid €5.00 for one in the Fran Well.
Go out with €20 and get 5 or 6 pints of Doombar ( my personal favourite) or Abbot Ale and a meal.
Excellent value.

Is it nice inside there? Was in Cork last 2 weekends was bulling I didnt get to get in there

Geuze

syklops wrote: »

In a country where upto 70% of the price of booze is tax, so called below cost selling is pretty much a myth.

A retail can of 4.3% Guinness at 1.75 contains tax as follows:

32.73 cent VAT

48.48 cent excise duty

That's 81.2 cent in total.

That's 46.4% of the off-licence price.

I hope people won't continue to make throwaway remarks about "70% of the price of alcohol is tax".

(It might be close to 70% in the case of cheap spirits)

Geuze

dzilla wrote: »

Is it nice inside there? Was in Cork last 2 weekends was bulling I didnt get to get in there

It only opened this week, on 8th Sep.

www.jdwetherspoon.ie

Lucena

@Gueuze

Are tax and VAT calculated by selling price? i.e. Dunnes want to sell a beer at 1 euro, so it's 1 euro + VAT + excise

Or is it purely on the amount of alcohol in the beer?

Or a mix of both?

AlmightyCushion

Lucena wrote: »

@Gueuze

Are tax and VAT calculated by selling price? i.e. Dunnes want to sell a beer at 1 euro, so it's 1 euro + VAT + excise

Or is it purely on the amount of alcohol in the beer?

Or a mix of both?

VAT is on selling price. I think excise is on the alcohol content.

oblivious

Lucena wrote: »

@Gueuze

Are tax and VAT calculated by selling price? i.e. Dunnes want to sell a beer at 1 euro, so it's 1 euro + VAT + excise

Or is it purely on the amount of alcohol in the beer?

Or a mix of both?

The consumer is the ultimate payer of VAT.

Revenue will have collect their payment for the excise on the alcohol content that will be paid before release, but will be added to the wholesale price

rubadub

Geuze wrote: »

(It might be close to 70% in the case of cheap spirits)

It would be more, I have said this is the only case where I believe below cost selling is taking place, however the vitners and whinging pubs do not talk about that, they are usually making out that hte mainstream beers like heineken are being sold below cost. I actually wondered if they were keeping quiet so as not to alert the people who stash spirits into pubs!

You can get 700ml of 37.5% rum for €11.69 in tesco, I would take it over bacardi too BTW. That is 19.7 pub measures so 59cent per measure. Been that price for months.

So if I am calculating right that is €2.18 VAT + €11.17 excise duty.

Also the poster did say "up to". I only buy canned guinness when its €1 a can, which would be just under 70% going in tax.

Geuze

Lucena wrote: »

@Gueuze

Are tax and VAT calculated by selling price? i.e. Dunnes want to sell a beer at 1 euro, so it's 1 euro + VAT + excise

Or is it purely on the amount of alcohol in the beer?

Or a mix of both?

Excise is 22.55 per hectolitre per %.

See excise rates here:

http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/excise/duties/excise-duty-rates.html


VAT is normal, same as any goods. Final price includes 23% VAT.

So for a 5.00 pint, divide 5.00/1.23 to get 406.50, pre VAT price.

So on a 5 euro pint, VAT is 93.5 cent.

out da lough

Mesrine65 wrote: »

Careful now, you wouldn't want be accused of price-whinging, that's frowned upon in these quarters :rolleyes:

Sorry, of course that is not what I meant. I was merely pointing out that some back kitchen beer is being offered for sale out the front for €5.60.

In a brewery that hardly has a "tradition" or "craft" heritage, seeing as it only seems to be open for a year or two.


I'm sure it is vastly superior to Adnams Ghost Ship Ale which is now for sale in The Linen Weaver around the corner for €2.50 a pint.

I mean, it must be, mustn't it? It's like more than twice the price after all.

maximoose

Gongoozler wrote: »

Anybody know why nothing seems to be happening with Hanlons?

Have they definitely bought it? Can't see anything official

Simon201

maximoose wrote: »

Have they definitely bought it? Can't see anything official

I think it was just a rumour. Pity, I'm only down the road. It's the right size for them but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be right for them location wise, going by pubs they've opened here so far.

Ah well at least 'The Grange' pub has opened up again after being closed for a few years!