Man your pumps, Wetherspoons are coming

Geuze

BeerNut wrote: »

No. Conversion of pub licences into off licences does happen but not every off licence used to be a pub licence.

If an off-licence in a Lidl, ALDI, Centra etc., wasn't a previous pub licence, then where did it come from?

As there are a fixed number of licences?

BeerNut

Geuze wrote: »

If an off-licence in a Lidl, ALDI, Centra etc., wasn't a previous pub licence, then where did it come from?

Another off licence?

Geuze

I don't know, but I don't think so?

Surely all new off-licences are former pub licences, extinguished and transferred?

Losty Dublin

BeerNut wrote: »

No. Conversion of pub licences into off licences does happen but not every off licence used to be a pub licence.

To add; there are or at least there were two added advantages of a supermarket holding a full on sales licence. One is that the asset of a full licence could be traded on in the event of the store closing, which is obviously a balance sheet advantage for a business. The other is that a full on sales licence allowed a store a little extra trading time over an off sales licence; obviously this is not the case since the 2008 act stopped off sales from all licensed premises after 10PM.

Barna77

When I was in the US some years ago went to a giant supermarket which had a full bar at the front of the store.

Pints gave me the strength to do face food shopping

donaghs

I guess COVID-19 is going to push back the opening of Camden St spoons.

Idbatterim

with the job losses and the economy the way it is, this will be an even bigger win for spoons, people will be desperate to socialise after this, but many wont be paying E6 plus a pint any more!

Muahahaha

Tim Martin has come out and said pubs should stay open, part of his reasoning is that they are less packed that supermarkets :rolleyes:

RasTa

Now all of his pubs are closed

rubadub

Muahahaha wrote: »

Tim Martin

That's Dr. Tim to you, shame he didn't give the actual figures

"There's hardly been any transmission of the virus within pubs"

odyssey06

Sure Wetherspoons should stay open, minimum stay 3 weeks.
Leave on your feet or in a coffin, que sera sera.

silver2020

Disgusting behaviour by Wetherspoons. They have plenty of cash but are abusing the current situation and telling suppliers here that they are not getting paid until the end of this crisis.

How can anyone support a company that acts in such a selfish manner.


https://www.irishtimes.com/business/agribusiness-and-food/wetherspoon-suspends-payments-to-suppliers-in-republic-1.4212790

BeerNut

silver2020 wrote: »

How can anyone support a company that acts in such a selfish manner.

Because having to ethically vet every company you use, including the ones that don't get newspaper stories written about them, would be exhausting.

listermint

BeerNut wrote: »

Because having to ethically vet every company you use, including the ones that don't get newspaper stories written about them, would be exhausting.

Ah not really, its quite easy to see what spoons is about. Years at it. Takes half a second to know the companys you give business too.

This guys splashes himself in the public eye, you dont ever need to look.

Prefer to give my business to Irish Companies frankly. Local Breweries at the top of the list.

BaZmO*

BeerNut wrote: »

Because having to ethically vet every company you use, including the ones that don't get newspaper stories written about them, would be exhausting.

So even though you know for definite that a company is behaving unethically, they get a pass because you don't know the status of every other company?

silver2020

BeerNut wrote: »

Because having to ethically vet every company you use, including the ones that don't get newspaper stories written about them, would be exhausting.

they have over £40m sitting in their bank account and they tell their staff and their suppliers to take a hike.

Very few businesses would treat staff or supplier like that - that why it gets headlines.

BeerNut

BaZmO* wrote: »

So even though you know for definite that a company is behaving unethically, they get a pass because you don't know the status of every other company?

It's not an exam. There are no passes to be given. Businesses don't divide into the ethical ones (good) and the unethical ones (bad), though journalists and marketing people have an interest in pitching them that way.

BaZmO*

BeerNut wrote: »

It's not an exam. There are no passes to be given. Businesses don't divide into the ethical ones (good) and the unethical ones (bad), though journalists and marketing people have an interest in pitching them that way.

Pitching, or just stating facts? In fairness, aul Timbo does a good job of getting his message out there on his own.

Larbre34

Their smaller suppliers in the UK are being encouraged to submit a wind-up petition to the companies office in London against JD Wetherspoon, citing inability to pay their debts.

Its a genius move really, cos they must either concede it or defend it by showing they do have the ability to pay and hence go on to explain why they haven't.

I don't want to see anyone lose their job, but I will make it my business to contribute to the ending of Wetherspoons presence in Ireland. Tim Martin is a cheat and a charlatan straight out of the Trump play book.

And the STATE of the pints they serve.

BeerNut

BaZmO* wrote: »

Pitching, or just stating facts?

Pitching. Nothing in the media or marketing worlds should be accepted at face value, in my opinion. But that's just my opinion: I'm not going to wonder out loud why everyone doesn't agree with me.

hetuzozaho

silver2020 wrote: »

Disgusting behaviour by Wetherspoons. They have plenty of cash but are abusing the current situation and telling suppliers here that they are not getting paid until the end of this crisis.

How can anyone support a company that acts in such a selfish manner.


https://www.irishtimes.com/business/agribusiness-and-food/wetherspoon-suspends-payments-to-suppliers-in-republic-1.4212790

Not too up with business-y jargon! But reading that article the headline says "Wetherspoon suspends payments .." and then the article says “We are asking for a moratorium on payments until the pubs reopen, at which point we intend to clear outstanding payments within a short timeframe." which would imply to me that they haven't suspended yet and are asking? So could a supplier just say we cannot help you out here etc?

With the whole COVID thing I've been following the media more than I would usually and everything seems so imprecise(?) to me

And are we to feel sorry for these suppliers who clearly are happy to supply this so called terrible pub and owner? It's hard to keep up!

Should the title not be "Wetherspoon ASKS suppliers who have cosied up with them and done really well to suspend payments for a bit"

BaZmO*

BeerNut wrote: »

Pitching. Nothing in the media or marketing worlds should be accepted at face value, in my opinion. But that's just my opinion: I'm not going to wonder out loud why everyone doesn't agree with me.

Fair enough on marketing, but nothing in the media? Wow.

RasTa

Will never be drinking in there again after how they have treated their staff. Suggest everyone does the same

Technocentral

Boycott them when pubs open again.

BeerNut

BaZmO* wrote: »

Fair enough on marketing, but nothing in the media? Wow.

Ever experienced the Gell-Mann amnesia effect? It really makes you question what you read. Or it should

Tabnabs

Soon be able to do a Spoons pub crawl in Dublin.

Pub group JD Wetherspoon has secured planning permission for a new Irish outlet in Dublin's Grand Canal Dock.

Dublin City Council approved the application to convert the former HQ bar and restaurant on Hanover Quay which Wetherspoons bought last year, and to amalgamate it with the former Nutbutter restaurant on Forbes Street.

The UK-based pub chain said it spends an average of €2m on the conversion of each new pub.

Wetherspoons said it was important for the council to appreciate that its outlets were "not just pubs in the conventional sense, nor should they be considered to provide super-pubs".

The company estimates food will account for 45pc-50pc of sales at the Hanover Quay outlet.

The new pub was scheduled to begin trading by early June but its opening date is likely to be pushed back due to the coronavirus pandemic.

The group, which operates over 900 pubs in the UK, currently has seven pubs in Ireland, with five in Dublin and one each in Cork and Carlow. As part of a €30m investment in the Republic, Wetherspoons is also opening a new pub on Camden Street in Dublin, which will incorporate an 89-bedroom hotel, with other outlets planned for Galway and Waterford.

The pub chain has recently faced strong criticism over its treatment of staff and suppliers during the Covid-19 pandemic after it shut outlets.

In its planning application, Wetherspoons said its reputation was "very positive in the UK when it comes to the revitalisation of historic buildings".

https://www.independent.ie/business/commercial-property/green-light-for-wetherspoons-pub-39095868.html

irish_goat

Interesting, a 5 min walk from BrewDog...

Muahahaha

Have always thought that Hanover Quay location is a bit bizarre for Spoons. There was a survey recently that said 94% of apartment rentals in the Docklands are to non-nationals primarily working for tech companies like Google, Facebook. They get free food at work anyway and in the evenings wouldnt think twice about droppng 40 euro on a Deliveroo from a quality restaurant locally. Its hard to see that crowd rushing to Spoons for a 9.95 burger and drink in the evenings.

Anyway with the pub industry up in the air I wonder might Spoons take advantage of other opportunities coming up in the city. If banks/landlords dont show forebearance to publicans we might be seeing forced sales and leases being surrendered.

Muahahaha

Have always thought that Hanover Quay location is a bit bizarre for Spoons. There was a survey recently that said 94% of apartment rentals in the Docklands are to non-nationals primarily working for tech companies like Google, Facebook. They get free food at work anyway and in the evenings wouldnt think twice about droppng 40 euro on a Deliveroo from a quality restaurant locally. Its hard to see that crowd rushing to Spoons for a 9.95 burger and drink in the evenings. They will get some trade from the Grand Canal Theatre but even some of that crowd would be a bit snooty about eating in Spoons, Swan Lake preceded by a big plate of chicken wings isnt exactly a great match either.

Anyway with the pub industry up in the air I wonder might Spoons take advantage of other opportunities coming up in the city. If banks/landlords dont show forebearance to publicans we might be seeing forced sales and leases being surrendered.

L1011

The BGET does mass market musicals far more often than it does ballet...

Hotblack Desiato

Mrs D and I were at an event in the BGET late last year, the food options in the area were limited, expensive and poor quality, we sorely regretted not eating in the city centre before we headed out there.

n97 mini

Muahahaha wrote: »

Have always thought that Hanover Quay location is a bit bizarre for Spoons. There was a survey recently that said 94% of apartment rentals in the Docklands are to non-nationals primarily working for tech companies like Google, Facebook. They get free food at work anyway and in the evenings wouldnt think twice about droppng 40 euro on a Deliveroo from a quality restaurant locally. Its hard to see that crowd rushing to Spoons for a 9.95 burger and drink in the evenings. They will get some trade from the Grand Canal Theatre but even some of that crowd would be a bit snooty about eating in Spoons, Swan Lake preceded by a big plate of chicken wings isnt exactly a great match either.

Anyway with the pub industry up in the air I wonder might Spoons take advantage of other opportunities coming up in the city. If banks/landlords dont show forebearance to publicans we might be seeing forced sales and leases being surrendered.

Plenty of areas classified as very disadvantaged, disadvantaged, or below average within walking distance. The varying shades of yellow to orange on this map. There are over 50 council owned apartments in Shelbourne plaza on Charlotte Quay too.

RasTa

Never forget how these treated their staff before you hand over your $$$

hynesie08

RasTa wrote: »

Never forget how these treated their staff before you hand over your $$$

Absolutely, and make sure you hold press up, the mercantile group, the odeon group, porterhouse and brewdog to the same standards.....

Big Gerry

I don't think Wetherspoons will be affected by any bad publicity.


Just like Ryanair their main appeal is low prices.


People will probably still flock to them when they reopen.

Muahahaha

n97 mini wrote: »

Plenty of areas classified as very disadvantaged, disadvantaged, or below average within walking distance. The varying shades of yellow to orange on this map. There are over 50 council owned apartments in Shelbourne plaza on Charlotte Quay too.

Yeah hard to know if thats enough to sustain them. Plus are the regulars in places like Neds and the Windjammer going to take a walk down to Hanover Quay? Remains to be seen but its not exactly on their door step. They might get a few punters too from Ringend but its still a bit of a strange location imo right in the heart of 3k a month apartments filled by people who arent exactly your average pub going crowd. Time will tell but I cant see it being that busy when it does open, it will tick over but it wont be doing massive revenues compared to other locations IMO.

seamusk84

Muahahaha wrote: »

Yeah hard to know if thats enough to sustain them. Plus are the regulars in places like Neds and the Windjammer going to take a walk down to Hanover Quay? Remains to be seen but its not exactly on their door step. They might get a few punters too from Ringend but its still a bit of a strange location imo right in the heart of 3k a month apartments filled by people who arent exactly your average pub going crowd. Time will tell but I cant see it being that busy when it does open.

I work in that location for one of the big multinationals. I can assure you that Wednesday to Friday it will be extremely busy with the younger office folk in the evenings.
Also our lunch options in general are quite restrictive in GCD. This will do a huge trade for food Monday to Friday.

Idbatterim

After this shot storm. The unemployment, pay cuts etc , they will be mobbed!

rubadub

hynesie08 wrote: »

Absolutely, and make sure you hold press up, the mercantile group, the odeon group, porterhouse and brewdog to the same standards.....

A fairly well known landmark pub near me was allegedly raided for having a lock in last tuesday, on facebook I see people saying they did on Paddys day too.

Can't see it in the media so will not mention who, but have others seen reports of any raids? Didn't think it would be worth the risk.

L1011

Muahahaha wrote: »

Yeah hard to know if thats enough to sustain them. Plus are the regulars in places like Neds and the Windjammer going to take a walk down to Hanover Quay? Remains to be seen but its not exactly on their door step. They might get a few punters too from Ringend but its still a bit of a strange location imo right in the heart of 3k a month apartments filled by people who arent exactly your average pub going crowd. Time will tell but I cant see it being that busy when it does open, it will tick over but it wont be doing massive revenues compared to other locations IMO.

Well, regulars in Neds have had to go somewhere else already as it was demolished months ago.

hetuzozaho

hynesie08 wrote: »

Absolutely, and make sure you hold press up, the mercantile group, the odeon group, porterhouse and brewdog to the same standards.....

A thread with places we can go might be easier at this stage!

Muahahaha

L1011 wrote: »

Well, regulars in Neds have had to go somewhere else already as it was demolished months ago.

ah no, another proper boozer done in. The Jammer must be extra jammed since then.

sceach16

hetuzozaho wrote: »

A thread with places we can go might be easier at this stage!

Can we come back to this thread in the fall?

irish_goat

Dunno about non-nationals not visiting Spoons. They'd surely appreciate the low prices given what they would be used to paying back home, plus the Spoons in Derry always got a good few of the local Polish in, presumably because you could get a good selection of Polish beers. Course, that might all change if Tim ever goes ahead with his plan to stop stocking as many EU products.

Hotblack Desiato

sceach16 wrote: »

Can we come back to this thread in the fall?

The what? :rolleyes:

Big Gerry

irish_goat wrote: »

Dunno about non-nationals not visiting Spoons. They'd surely appreciate the low prices given what they would be used to paying back home, plus the Spoons in Derry always got a good few of the local Polish in, presumably because you could get a good selection of Polish beers. Course, that might all change if Tim ever goes ahead with his plan to stop stocking as many EU products.

I'd say 90% of Non-Nationals drink at home.


Most of them can't believe the price of drink when they come here.

irish_goat

Big Gerry wrote: »

I'd say 90% of Non-Nationals drink at home.

Most of them can't believe the price of drink when they come here.

I'd believe a lot of them can't believe the price of a pint or a spirit plus mixer in a city centre bar. But that surely suggests they will be attracted to go to spoons. They also won't have the ingrained preconceptions of Wetherspoons that people here and in the UK have, i.e. that the beer is no good, or there's no atmosphere.

Big Gerry

irish_goat wrote: »

I'd believe a lot of them can't believe the price of a pint or a spirit plus mixer in a city centre bar. But that surely suggests they will be attracted to go to spoons. They also won't have the ingrained preconceptions of Wetherspoons that people here and in the UK have, i.e. that the beer is no good, or there's no atmosphere.

Even with the likes of Wetherspoons its still far cheaper to drink at home.


Some East Europeans think paying 3 Euro is too much for a beer.

Barna77

Big Gerry wrote: »

Some East Europeans think paying 3 Euro is too much for a beer.

It is when they are used to pay around €1.50, give or take

The most expensive beer I've had in eastern Europe was around €3, 4 tops

L1011

Barna77 wrote: »

It is when they are used to pay around €1.50, give or take

The most expensive beer I've had in eastern Europe was around €3, 4 tops

Both Riga and Tallinn can easily beat that now in the touristy bits; and the craft bars.

Riga is strikingly un-cheap for everything (except taxis) compared to the average income there.