Man your pumps, Wetherspoons are coming

Big Gerry

Barna77 wrote: »

It is when they are used to pay around €1.50, give or take

The most expensive beer I've had in eastern Europe was around €3, 4 tops

They must get a heart attack when they visit temple bar and see a pint costs between 7 to 8 Euro.

Muahahaha

Eastern Europeans aside a lot of non-nationals arent big drinkers anyway, at least not to Irish/British levels. Italians, French, etc dont go out to get bladdered like we do.

That area is chock a block with 3k a month apartments, you'd need to be on a 100k+ salary to afford to live there. So I think its safe to say that the non-nationals living in the area are not price sensitive. For sure some will go to Spoons to check it out but they wont be there because they want to save a few quid over other venues.

n97 mini

We've more non-nationals than East Europeans. A lot working in tech are from Western European countries and the US. My own experience of spoons is there are plenty of EE customers, and no so many of the latter group, but they do exist.

heffo500

Muahahaha wrote: »

Yeah hard to know if thats enough to sustain them. Plus are the regulars in places like Neds and the Windjammer going to take a walk down to Hanover Quay? Remains to be seen but its not exactly on their door step. They might get a few punters too from Ringend but its still a bit of a strange location imo right in the heart of 3k a month apartments filled by people who arent exactly your average pub going crowd. Time will tell but I cant see it being that busy when it does open, it will tick over but it wont be doing massive revenues compared to other locations IMO.

I think that location will do well during the week, lots companies in the area have graduates and plenty of people that will be more inclined to go for after work drinks when you can spend less than €50. Also the few pre drinks and post drinks after a show in the bord Gaia will help. Don't forget they might get people going to the Aviva, RDS and Three Arena for some cheap pre drinks.

Reputable Rog

These boys have done their sums and their research.
They don’t tend to buy if they think it won’t work.
They’ll do very well at this location.

Muahahaha

heffo500 wrote: »

I think that location will do well during the week, lots companies in the area have graduates and plenty of people that will be more inclined to go for after work drinks when you can spend less than €50. Also the few pre drinks and post drinks after a show in the bord Gaia will help. Don't forget they might get people going to the Aviva, RDS and Three Arena for some cheap pre drinks.

I think they'll tick over nicely Mon to Fri, Id say weekends could be a bit of a famine though in that location, especially during the daytime. For sure a lot of graduates might have one or two there after work but they wont be on a piss up as they work for professional companies where hangovers are frowned upon. Fridays will be mobbed for proper sessions though. They'll definitely do okay from the Grand Canal Theater on the nights shows are on, lots of food to be sold there before people see a show.

They might get a bit from the Three Arena though it would be better if that new bridge was built across the river as its an awkward walk involving doubling back on yourself. Though personally I think the Gibson is a fab place for pre show pints or food as theres always a great buzz about it with fellow concert goers.

I still think its a bit of a bizarre move as much of their trade in that location will be dependent on people coming into the area from outside it. Being surrounded by thousands of people earning six figure sums doesnt seem a good fit for Spoons selling cheap beer and food. Non nationals living on their doorstep are unlikely to be the backbone of their business. Maybe they'll get some trade from lads who leave their regular Pearse St and Ringsend boozers, time will tell.

The J Stands for Jay

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

The what? :rolleyes:

The fall of mankind.

the beer revolu

I'm going to get slated for this but people from other countries aren't non nationals - they have nationalities - they are foreign nationals.

They also aren't a homogeneous group.

Muahahaha

Spoons announced that Camden Street will open in October this year. It will be called the Keavens Port, theyve gotten the old maps out again and thats what the area was once called. Its 89 bedrooms, 2 bars and 2 outdoor areas. Part of the original chapel from when the building was a convent has been restored.

They also said its the biggest single investment in the companies history, circa 21 million.

Technocentral

Muahahaha wrote: »

Spoons announced that Camden Street will open in October this year. It will be called the Keavens Port, theyve gotten the old maps out again and thats what the area was once called. Its 89 bedrooms, 2 bars and 2 outdoor areas. Part of the original chapel from when the building was a convent has been restored.

They also said its the biggest single investment in the companies history, circa 21 million.

Neverspoons the way to go now. Due to their treatment of their worker's I'm boycotting their ass, only supporting Irish pubs now.

listermint

Muahahaha wrote: »

Spoons announced that Camden Street will open in October this year. It will be called the Keavens Port, theyve gotten the old maps out again and thats what the area was once called. Its 89 bedrooms, 2 bars and 2 outdoor areas. Part of the original chapel from when the building was a convent has been restored.

They also said its the biggest single investment in the companies history, circa 21 million.

Obviously heavily researched coppers and Diceys turnover



As above that crazy haired looper won't be getting my cash. He's a brexit zealot and is terrible to his staff. The worst kind of nationalist.

The J Stands for Jay

listermint wrote: »

Obviously heavily researched coppers and Diceys turnover



As above that crazy haired looper won't be getting my cash. He's a brexit zealot and is terrible to his staff. The worst kind of nationalist.

Unfortunately, the Coppers/Dicey's types won't have any such ethics in the face of cheap mediocre pints.

RasTa

Yeah I'm never going back in. Although I walked by a few in Manchester yesterday and where busy enough for 2pm

I’d be all for never going near a Wetherspoons but I’d be wary of falling into the illusion that all Irish owned pubs and businesses are great to staff.

Chelon

McGaggs wrote: »

Unfortunately, the Coppers/Dicey's types won't have any such ethics in the face of cheap mediocre pints.

Probably been discussed here before but out of interest why do you say mediocre?

The J Stands for Jay

Chelon wrote: »

Probably been discussed here before but out of interest why do you say mediocre?

The pints in Dicey's, when I last went there, didn't taste great. Switching to bottles didn't help, as they were so bad at stocking them they would be served warm.

I don't recall how the pints in Coppers were, so I may be being harsh there. Although I can safely brand their music as mediocre.

The J Stands for Jay

Chelon wrote: »

Probably been discussed here before but out of interest why do you say mediocre?

Just realised I worded my post Backwards. Not calling Spoons pints mediocre, but Dicey's pints

Chelon

McGaggs wrote: »

The pints in Dicey's, when I last went there, didn't taste great. Switching to bottles didn't help, as they were so bad at stocking them they would be served warm.

I don't recall how the pints in Coppers were, so I may be being harsh there. Although I can safely brand their music as mediocre.

Ok got you, would agree the pints there, "mediocre" is being kind. I did start a thread on here on Guinness quality many moons ago as in my experience it can vary wildly. I called a few pubs out on it and the thread got shut down so I'm not starting to name names again lol. As we all know some pubs just don't look after it.

the beer revolu

Chelon wrote: »

As we all know some pubs just don't look after it.

Almost no mainstream pubs look after their own lines. The breweries do it.

Blut2

Muahahaha wrote: »

Spoons announced that Camden Street will open in October this year. It will be called the Keavens Port, theyve gotten the old maps out again and thats what the area was once called. Its 89 bedrooms, 2 bars and 2 outdoor areas. Part of the original chapel from when the building was a convent has been restored.

They also said its the biggest single investment in the companies history, circa 21 million.

Great news. I wonder if it might actually lead to some price competition in the area. It'll surely hit traffic in nearby pubs like the Bleeding Horse pretty hard.

Chelon

the beer revolu wrote: »

Almost no mainstream pubs look after their own lines. The breweries do it.

Question I'd ask is why don't the pubs do it any more? Also why does the quality vary so wildly, I can only assume it's keg storage or dirty glasses?

I did write a very detailed email to Guinness asking these and loads of other questions, never got a reply

Muahahaha

Blut2 wrote: »

Great news. I wonder if it might actually lead to some price competition in the area. It'll surely hit traffic in nearby pubs like the Bleeding Horse pretty hard.

Would doubt any of the other pubs will reduce their prices but yeah Spoons will take business from them especially outside of Friday & Saturday nights when all venues are pretty packed anyway. Theyll do well on food as a good few pubs on Camden St have little to no food offering. Id say the hotel will do really well too, if people are coming to Dublin for a night out pubbing and clubbing Camden Street is right in the heart of it.

odyssey06

Am sure Camden street will be popular with office workers in the area for breakfasts and lunch too.
If I was still working in the area would be on my radar for sure.
And re: Diceys, worst pints I've ever had were in there during their €2 wednesday evenings... had to switch to bottles.

the beer revolu

Chelon wrote: »

Question I'd ask is why don't the pubs do it any more? Also why does the quality vary so wildly, I can only assume it's keg storage or dirty glasses?

I did write a very detailed email to Guinness asking these and loads of other questions, never got a reply

This argument has been had over and over here.
I would argue that the quality doesn't vary wildly, at all. That this huge variance is a popular myth.

Chelon

the beer revolu wrote: »

This argument has been had over and over here.
I would argue that the quality doesn't vary wildly, at all. That this huge variance is a popular myth.

I've heard tourists say "it's impossible to get a bad pint of Guinness in Ireland". I put that down to psychological rather than physical effects...

As an example where I live there are 6 pubs. In 3 of them the pint is always 7-10

In the other 3 I persevered but the pint was usually 4-6 at best and all the mates agreed with me. I don't drink there any more so no idea if they've improved. I think you'd find a huge number of people agreeing that quality can be pub-specific

The J Stands for Jay

Chelon wrote: »

I've heard tourists say "it's impossible to get a bad pint of Guinness in Ireland". I put that down to psychological rather than physical effects...

As an example where I live there are 6 pubs. In 3 of them the pint is always 7-10

In the other 3 I persevered but the pint was usually 4-6 at best and all the mates agreed with me. I don't drink there any more so no idea if they've improved. I think you'd find a huge number of people agreeing that quality can be pub-specific

It's more a reflection of how bad the pints they're used to are. Don't order Guinness in New York.

BeerNut

McGaggs wrote: »

Don't order Guinness in New York.

Decent pint of Wrasslers at the Fraunces Tavern, though. Just like at home.

hynesie08

McGaggs wrote: »

It's more a reflection of how bad the pints they're used to are. Don't order Guinness in New York.

I found one or two places with a decent pint of guinness, comparable to irish pubs. Twice the price though. Agree with beernut on fraunces tavern, pint of porterhouse plain is so good you'd think you're on Nassau st.

TheMadBrewer

Chelon wrote: »

I've heard tourists say "it's impossible to get a bad pint of Guinness in Ireland". I put that down to psychological rather than physical effects...

Twenty five years ago, when we started our homebrew club on the westside of Los Angeles, we had an expat Irishman as a member. When we waxed lyrical about making a pilgrimage to St. James gate he would say "don't bother, the Guiness at the Irish Times (LA Irish pub) is better than 75% of the pubs in Dublin." He wasn't wrong. Though in fairness, the median pint in Dublin is far better than the median pint in the US because it is not well treated here.

listermint

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

I’d be all for never going near a Wetherspoons but I’d be wary of falling into the illusion that all Irish owned pubs and businesses are great to staff.

Who made that statement?

That’s the implication people make.

listermint

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

That’s the implication people make.

You made..

Muahahaha

Did Spoons open again this week? Think they were supposed to July 20th

SteM

Muahahaha wrote: »

Did Spoons open again this week? Think they were supposed to July 20th

Walked by the Abbey street pub today and was surprised to see that it was still closed. If ever there was a chain set up for the current system I'd think it was a wetherspoons.

Muahahaha

yeah I was surprised they didnt open with all the other food serving pubs a few weeks ago. I think they said they would reopen along with all the wet pubs but then that got pushed out to August 10th so I thought they would just open last Monday anyway.

silver2020

SteM wrote: »

Walked by the Abbey street pub today and was surprised to see that it was still closed. If ever there was a chain set up for the current system I'd think it was a wetherspoons.

The opposite. Wetherspoons model is based on being busy 12-15 hours a day. This spreads rent and rates across a mush longer trading period than their competitors.

With most city centre offices operating on shoestring staff, the numbers are not there for good day food trading & after work drinks.

Blut2

silver2020 wrote: »

The opposite. Wetherspoons model is based on being busy 12-15 hours a day. This spreads rent and rates across a mush longer trading period than their competitors.

With most city centre offices operating on shoestring staff, the numbers are not there for good day food trading & after work drinks.

How would that apply to the suburban Wetherspoons though? They wouldn't get anywhere near that much office traffic.

Rent and rates would also be fixed costs, due regardless of if they open or not. By staying closed they're only saving on operating costs - staffing, electricity etc. But having no income at all coming in as a result.

L1011

Well they own some of the premises and right now there's a rates waiver. Timmy has some odd ways of operating a business though

silver2020

Blut2 wrote: »

How would that apply to the suburban Wetherspoons though? They wouldn't get anywhere near that much office traffic.

Rent and rates would also be fixed costs, due regardless of if they open or not. By staying closed they're only saving on operating costs - staffing, electricity etc. But having no income at all coming in as a result.

Different locations will have different models, but food is their big earner. It cheap basic quality food, prepackaged and except for the basics, mostly just heated up on the premises. I'd guess the City centre just doesn't have the traffic yet for it to make sense. If its open, it will always need a certain number of staff no matter how quiet it is.

Muahahaha

Still surprising they havent opened yet though. They've known about the 105 minute limit for several weeks now so that means only food and drink together. That should suit them to a large extent from opening till about 9pm when food sales drop off. Would mean lads cant be there just drinking for several hours but they could still be turning over. Likes of Blanch and DL they could just leave the upstairs closed if they wanted to.

thegeezer

After seeing how Tony Martin treats the Customers and staff during the pandemic, despite the fact that it represents just about the only place in the Republic to get a variety of real le on the handpump, I will never set foot inside one of his establishments again.

hynesie08

thegeezer wrote: »

After seeing how Tony Martin treats the Customers and staff during the pandemic, despite the fact that it represents just about the only place in the Republic to get a variety of real le on the handpump, I will never set foot inside one of his establishments again.

How did he treat them?

thegeezer

Until he was bombarded with complaints from public and TDs/MPs (in UK)

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-covid-19-jd-wetherspoon-staff-pay-180504281.html?guce_referrer=ahr0chm6ly93d3cuz29vz2xllmnvbs8&guce_referrer_sig=aqaaaan1p1jqil1cc4k5xfvus1nkizovosr-_awxpbgmbuzrw_le3lkowwkjf4f7wk4mfevcna0f6u9bye4mbkgrgxwprrhqx82eupjac7bogj5hxvxaddd5anj5nmdbwwfmr1sxbffe0sxhy2lk5a013ddjfo5fgjwjg-zsxolx3-yq

conor678

I understand that Tony Martin isn't a nice chap but there's plenty of other dodgey business men out there that we all happily accept.

Each to thier own and I respect your thoughts and decision to spend your money where you see fit but it's good value and good choice of beer so won't put me off

Reputable Rog

Tony Martin is innocent of all charges you make against him.

Big Gerry

conor678 wrote: »

I understand that Tony Martin isn't a nice chap but there's plenty of other dodgey business men out there that we all happily accept.

Each to thier own and I respect your thoughts and decision to spend your money where you see fit but it's good value and good choice of beer so won't put me off

Businessmen like Tony Martin and Micheal O'Leary didn't get rich by being nice.

L1011

TIM Martin. Tony Martin is someone else infamous.

Big Gerry

L1011 wrote: »

TIM Martin. Tony Martin is someone else infamous.

My point is I doubt you will find any mega successful businessman that hasn't been ruthless.


They didn't get rich by giving their money away.

flended12

Big Gerry wrote: »

My point is I doubt you will find any mega successful businessman that hasn't been ruthless.


They didn't get rich by giving their money away.

Agreed, anyone who is at the top of their game be it business, sport, medical etc are ruthless in their progression.

Peoples interpretation/version of ruthless is what can lead to controversy.

Chelon

Seen they were putting up the signage at Keavens Port last week