Man your pumps, Wetherspoons are coming

BeerNut

Geuze wrote: »

Is the premises big?

Their places tend to be huge. From Streetview, Tonic looks like it occupied four former businesses along the street.

I am pie

It is pretty big, there was a cafe tacked on one side of it and a nightclub (awful) upstairs. They'll get plenty in for food if they keep the prices reasonable. Can't see much in the way of midweek trade, they'd get the usual collection of after work drinkers from the offices located there on a Friday night, but there isn't that many to be sharing them around. Blackrock (up til I left 2 yrs ago) has always had new premises opening and closing for food and drink. There are a load of pubs in there which compete for not that many punters.

I am pie

ps..they had a pretty good sized covered area for smokers too out the back.

Heroditas

BeerNut wrote: »

Their places tend to be huge. From Streetview, Tonic looks like it occupied four former businesses along the street.

Tonic used to be the Missing Swan, an awful hole of a place back in the 90s. A classic pub with a small bar and a snug where no woman would dare tread and an absolute dump of a main bar which had a stage for live music on Saturdays.
Jaysus, what a hole of a venue.

I am pie wrote: »

It is pretty big, there was a cafe tacked on one side of it and a nightclub (awful) upstairs. They'll get plenty in for food if they keep the prices reasonable. Can't see much in the way of midweek trade, they'd get the usual collection of after work drinkers from the offices located there on a Friday night, but there isn't that many to be sharing them around. Blackrock (up til I left 2 yrs ago) has always had new premises opening and closing for food and drink. There are a load of pubs in there which compete for not that many punters.

Blackrock puzzles me. Even up to as late as 2006, the likes of Sheehans used to be filled to the gills on the weekend. Before that, you'd be lucky to get into any pub in Blackrock at the weekend, due to the crowds.
Nowadays, it's like a ghost town. Tonic got decent enough crowds but I haven't been there for a couple of years.
Where the heck is everyone going?
Head up the road and the Playwright is boarded up and the Wishing a Well is reasonably quiet. The Playwright used to be wedged at weekends in the 90s.
It's quite sad.

Gran Hermano

18-28 year olds all pre drinking at home?

That age group was pretty much the target market for those pubs in Blackrock 10-20 years ago.

Heroditas

Gran Hermano wrote: »

18-28 year olds all pre drinking at home?

That age group was pretty much the target market for those pubs in Blackrock 10-20 years ago.

Another theory is that the demographic in that part of Dublin is very skewed. Monkstown, Blackrock, Carysfort has a very old population nowadays and they aren't really the types to go out drinking. All their children have grown up and moved away because, I can tell you this, not many people can afford house prices in that particular area of Dublin!

I'm in my mid late 30s now and grew up in the area and spent the weekends in Blackrock, Dalkey or Dun Laoghaire. Now I live out in toucan and head into the city centre on the rare occasion I go out. Nobody I know from that part of my life lives in the area either!

BeerNut

Heroditas wrote: »

Monkstown, Blackrock, Carysfort has a very old population nowadays and they aren't really the types to go out drinking.

If anything can change their minds it's Wetherspoon's. If I were retired and living in Blackrock, I'd be in for my 11am pint of €3 Adnam's Bitter every day I was capable of getting out of bed.

Heroditas

BeerNut wrote: »

If anything can change their minds it's Wetherspoon's. If I were retired and living in Blackrock, I'd be in for my 11am pint of €3 Adnam's Bitter every day I was capable of getting out of bed.

They'll need parking spots for all the wheelchairs, walking frames and motorised scooters.
The area is like a gigantic set from Cocoon!

Lovely Bloke

Heroditas wrote: »

Now I live out in toucan

I assume you are a Guinness drinker then

Heroditas

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

I assume you are a Guinness drinker then

F**king auto-correct! That's meant to be Lucan.

Ravelleman

BeerNut wrote: »

If anything can change their minds it's Wetherspoon's. If I were retired and living in Blackrock, I'd be in for my 11am pint of €3 Adnam's Bitter every day I was capable of getting out of bed.

It's funny, as all the English people I know find my excitement about Spoons hard to believe.

oblivious

Ravelleman wrote: »

It's funny, as all the English people I know find my excitement about Spoons hard to believe.

I am sure there a few Irish people who find amusement in English people getting excited about Temple bar

rubadub

Are there any other rumours of where they might open next?

I reckon they would do really well in dalkey, and I imagine some of the pubs there might be willing to sell now.

BeerNut

rubadub wrote: »

Are there any other rumours of where they might open next?

In addition to Dún Laoghaire and Cork, Swords seems all but confirmed and I saw a rumour today of Waterford.

Ravelleman

oblivious wrote: »

I am sure there a few Irish people who find amusement in English people getting excited about Temple bar

At least Spoons is cheap. And I don't think they make any claims to authenticity.

Colonel Sanders

Ravelleman wrote: »

It's funny, as all the English people I know find my excitement about Spoons hard to believe.

I had an argument with someone a few weeks ago who said they sold "crap beer". After telling him how the last one I was in had 4 casks & a fridge full or world beer it turned out his beef was he couldn't get a pint of Heineken & had to "settle" for Stella

I'm guessing the same person probably pays far more on average for his Heineken than the average Weatherspoons punter pays for a far superior product

BMJD

rubadub wrote: »

Are there any other rumours of where they might open next?

I heard Tallaght is on their radar

BeerNut

BMJD wrote: »

I heard Tallaght is on their radar

Everywhere is on their radar. There will be branches in Dublin city centre too, if the price is right.

Heroditas

The Foxhunter in Lucan must be on their radar. It ticks all their boxes.
Also, it would be one in the eye for the Louis Fitzgerald group who opened their "craft beer and gastro" pub in the village that only has Galway Hooker and Five Lamps on tap (as well as the usual bland) :rolleyes:

Mr Simpson

Heroditas wrote: »

The Foxhunter in toucan must be on their radar. It ticks all their boxes.
Also, it would be one in the eye for the Louis Fitzgerald group who opened their "craft beer and gastro" pub in the village that only has Galway Hooker and Five Lamps on tap (as well as the usual bland) :rolleyes:

There goes that toucan again

Heroditas

Mr Simpson wrote: »

There goes that toucan again

F**king c**t of an Ipad. It's not as if I haven't typed Lucan enough times on it over the last year or two!

Gran Hermano

Ireland goes from being one of the few countries in the world not having English pubs to now having a chainfull.
:-)

Heroditas

Gran Hermano wrote: »

Ireland goes from being one of the few countries in the world not having English pubs to now having a chainfull.
:-)

I suppose it's a fitting form of revenge, seeing that we've inflicted some God-awful Irish themed bars on the world.

Big Nasty

Heroditas wrote: »

I suppose it's a fitting form of revenge, seeing that we've inflicted some God-awful Irish themed bars on the world.

Especially in Lucan - tis full of them!

Gran Hermano

The Toucan Arms.

Heroditas

Big Nasty wrote: »

Especially in Lucan - tis full of them!

I hope you get served a pint of Coors Light this weekend!

rubadub

Heroditas wrote: »

I suppose it's a fitting form of revenge, seeing that we've inflicted some God-awful Irish themed bars on the world.

Like this one in singapore.

Tube

Heroditas wrote: »

The Foxhunter in Lucan must be on their radar. It ticks all their boxes.

Current owners paid a huge amount of money for it, so they'll probably be looking to sell it for half a huge amount. And half a huge amount is....

Heroditas wrote: »

Also, it would be one in the eye for the Louis Fitzgerald group who opened their "craft beer and gastro" pub in the village that only has Galway Hooker and Five Lamps on tap (as well as the usual bland) :rolleyes:

Lucan County (beside Lucan Spa Hotel) has a fantastic selection of beer, including one of the best selections of sours in Dublin. It helps that they let us (see sig) pick a lot of the beers the beers they stock.

Heroditas

The "current owners" are probably the bank so it'll be sold for a pittance.

Yeah I really need to get my bum out to the County. When I first moved out this direction I'd heard that it was a rough spot from some people but that's obviously nonsense.
It's just a bit far to walk there but the bus stops right outside the door so I guess I need to visit it some time.
What do they have on tap?

Tube

I think, though I'm not 100% sure, that it's still privately owned.

LC is served by a bus every 10 minutes, like you say outside the door. They have *a lot* of stuff, 2/3 of which is in bottles, for which they don't charge a premium.

Our monthly homebrew meets are in the lounge, and tbh it has taken a while to figure it out but now I can't recommend the place enough.

Chelon

Tube wrote: »

I think, though I'm not 100% sure, that it's still privately owned.

LC is served by a bus every 10 minutes, like you say outside the door. They have *a lot* of stuff, 2/3 of which is in bottles, for which they don't charge a premium.

Our monthly homebrew meets are in the lounge, and tbh it has taken a while to figure it out but now I can't recommend the place enough.

Crucial question is do they do anything on draught?

Tube

Chelon wrote: »

Crucial question is do they do anything on draught?

GH, O'Hara's Stout, 5 Lamps, Pilsner Urquell, Trouble Ór (or whatever it's called now). The bottles are all reasonably priced, and are comparable to the draught prices.

Chelon

Tube wrote: »

GH, O'Hara's Stout, 5 Lamps, Pilsner Urquell, Trouble Ór (or whatever it's called now). The bottles are all reasonably priced, and are comparable to the draught prices.

Ok thanks, but I meant real draught, not keg

Ravelleman

Chelon wrote: »

Ok thanks, but I meant real draught, not keg

You meant cask.

Chelon

Ravelleman wrote: »

You meant cask.

Same thing?

irish_goat

New beers in today. 2 for £5 is brilliant.

Ravelleman

irish_goat wrote: »

New beers in today. 2 for £5 is brilliant.

Much envy.

Geuze

I presume this deal is on offer in NI??

Let's attempt to predict Dublin prices from that...............

VAT is 23% here as against 20% in NI.

Excise duty is broadly similar, I think, though I'm not 100% sure, as the Irish Revenue website isn't clear if the figures are up to date.

Today's exchange rate is 82pence.

500/82 = 6.10 euro.

I will be generous, and add 25% for the slightly higher VAT, higher wages, higher overheads.

6.10 + 25% = 7.625 euro

Adding 30% for higher costs here brings us to about 8 euro.

How much are these 355ml US bottles / cans in a Dublin pub?

rainbow kirby

Probably more accurate to compare the base prices with London rather than NI - but even in the one up the road from me in Highgate, a rather posh area, it's still only a little over 3 quid for a 330ml bottle of Punk IPA.

Nearly made me sick when Against The Grain wanted nearly €7 for a pint of it when I was back home for Christmas.

Tube

Chelon wrote: »

Same thing?

Draught = keg or cask.

Cask as you know is rare enough in Ireland, and dare I say it, is more of an English tradition.

Tube

rainbow kirby wrote: »

Probably more accurate to compare the base prices with London rather than NI - but even in the one up the road from me in Highgate, a rather posh area, it's still only a little over 3 quid for a 330ml bottle of Punk IPA.

Nearly made me sick when Against The Grain wanted nearly €7 for a pint of it when I was back home for Christmas.

Paid €7.20 for a pint of Punk IPA over Xmas in Dublin.

Geuze

2.89stg for 33cl of Punk IPA means an equivalent price of 4.97stg per pint.

(Now I accept that if it was sold by the actual pint in JDW, the price would be less).

4.97 at 82pence exchange rate turns into 6.06 euro.

Add in higher VAT here, plus higher wages and overheads, and 7.00 euro Dublin price does not seem miles out of line.

Geuze

How much are 33cl bottles of Punk IPA in Dublin?


Punk IPA is 5.00 in L Mulligan Grocer:
http://www.lmulligangrocer.com/download/i/mark_dl/u/4012249433/4605307705/beer%20list%20for%20website%20February.pdf


Brooklyn lager 355ml is 5.00 in Ranelagh:
http://www.taphouse.ie/download/TapHouse_Beers.pdf

JDW should be able to sell that for 4.00 max, 20% less, as mentioned on TV news items by them.

Speak Now

Geuze wrote: »

2.89stg for 33cl of Punk IPA means an equivalent price of 4.97stg per pint.

(Now I accept that if it was sold by the actual pint in JDW, the price would be less).

4.97 at 82pence exchange rate turns into 6.06 euro.

Add in higher VAT here, plus higher wages and overheads, and 7.00 euro Dublin price does not seem miles out of line.

3.95stg a pint of punk in their Scottish pubs, London more expensive i assume.

6.80 last time i had one in the black sheep.

Do i recall someone saying it was 9 euro somewhere in city centre

rainbow kirby

£4.30 in Camden and Shoreditch, if I remember correctly, for Punk IPA and 5am Saint.

Geuze

Geuze

I realise that BrewDog pubs would be dearer than average, but no pint under 4.00stg in the Camden pub surprised me a bit.

A pint of Punk IPA is 4.70stg, see above.

That's about 5.75 euro.

London can be pricey.

Anyways, back on topic - if JDW can deliver 33cl bottles of good ales 6-9%, including hopefully a few Belgians, for 4 euro, I'll be happy.

monkeynuz

Geuze wrote: »

The arrival of JD W into the Irish market will be interesting.

How may the RoI suppliers react?

Will JDW use their own UK supply chain?

They will probably have to use their UK supply chain, because I can't see the Irish brewers taking to the Wetherspoon's buying strategy, which I won't go into here in a public forum.

monkeynuz

Also, prepare for a lot more fighting in the streets when a JDW comes to your town.......

coylemj

monkeynuz wrote: »

Also, prepare for a lot more fighting in the streets when a JDW comes to your town.......

Do you mean a price war between local pubs or drunken brawls on the high street?