The E.U. Is really starting to ****ing annoy me

Dyr

They're going to stop drivers from breaking the law?

How dare they!!

oppenheimer1

wexie wrote: »

While that's not in itself a bad argument....would you want technology in your car that can limit it's speed against your wishes? Especially technology dreamt up by some ****wit in Brussels?

Cause I sure as hell don't

I think everyone is missing a very important point. The idea of speed limiters is merely a PROPOSAL. Like many proposals they won't see the light of day.

The idea of limiting speed to the maximum limit is dangerous as there are situations where breaking the limit might be the best way to avoid an accident. For this reason I doubt it will get beyond proposal stage, like many other ideas.

Gummy Panda

Wtf is e-juice?

OneArt

Sigourney wrote: »

I'd rather inhale used smoke than the vapour from those e-cigarettes. I find it sickening.

Because tobacco has such a lovely smell.

E-cig smoke usually smells sweet and lingers for a minute or two, then it disperses. Tobacco smoke hangs around and the smell gets into clothes, furniture etc. I've smoked one for a solid four months and I don't stink the way I used to when I smoked normal cigarettes.

I agree that e-cigs should be regulated though, but turning them into medical products is ridiculous. (Also 4mg nicotine? Who gets a hit out of that?) No, they're not good for you but then again neither is a cup of coffee or alcohol. Their risk to people around them is pretty low as well. There are FAR worse things than even tobacco smoke being pumped into the air.

P_1

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Banning e-cigs has about as much to do with protecting people's health as minumum alcohol pricing would have here in Ireland. Hint: The only health they're interested in protecting is the bank balance of one vested interest or another.

Exactly, remember that every tenner that somebody spends on juice equals about a hundred they're not spending on smokes.

JustAddWater

Hello. How are you? wrote: »

Neither do I. I have often hit 180 - 200 kph on the M6, on which I regularly drive and I have never had a crash or even a near-miss.

You can bet that's what they all say... Until it happens to them

Aidric

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Wtf is e-juice?

Street name for crushed up yokes.

Esoteric_

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Wtf is e-juice?

Liquid nicotine, usually flavoured to taste like tobacco, or cake, or sweets, or fruit, or whatever really. It's used in electronic cigarettes.

dmc17

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

The EU should go back to their own country.

EU should go back to Craggy Island

Fratton Fred

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Wtf is e-juice?

You might like this one http://www.e-smokeireland.eu/product-p/gummybear.htm

conorhal

Well, just this week we signed a thousand pages of EU directives into law without so much as a single debate on the legislation.

Oh, and just so you know, if you've put any food in your black bin this week, you are in contravention of a new EU directive on food waste (part of those 1000 pages) and potentally subject to a 30 thousand euro fine or 3 months in jail.......


Funk the EU.

wexie

conorhal wrote: »

Well, just this week we signed a thousand pages of EU directives into law without so much as a single debate on the legislation.

Oh, and just so you know, if you've put any food in your black bin this week, you are in contravention of a new EU directive on food waste (part of those 1000 pages) and potentally subject to a 30 thousand euro fine or 3 months in jail.......


Funk the EU.

What else am I supposed to do with it? Refuse company took away our compost bin and says 'they can now separate it'?

conorhal

wexie wrote: »

What else am I supposed to do with it? Refuse company took away our compost bin and says 'they can now separate it'?

You clear you plate and eat your veg or your going to jail young man!

Flibbles

OneArt wrote: »

neither is a cup of coffee or alcohol.

Not to nitpick, but coffee is pretty unbelivably good for you.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/coffee-health-benefits

caff

conorhal wrote: »

Well, just this week we signed a thousand pages of EU directives into law without so much as a single debate on the legislation.

Oh, and just so you know, if you've put any food in your black bin this week, you are in contravention of a new EU directive on food waste (part of those 1000 pages) and potentally subject to a 30 thousand euro fine or 3 months in jail.......


Funk the EU.

yup no debate at all, I mean what is a consulation period... and what are all those MEP elections for? What does the Commissioner appointed by our elected government do? Oh yes its all very undemocratic....
http://www.environ.ie/en/Environment/Waste/FoodWasteRegulations/

Mike 1972

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Agree with the OP. The EU is almost immune to democratic pressure due to the sheer size of the constituencies involved, which is why I've always thought it should have as little power over social politics as possible (regarding civil liberties, banning things, etc)

The EU's record in potecting civil liberties trumps that of the national governments of most of its states by a long shot.

Roger_007

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

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Would they ever **** off and leave us do what we want, an adult should be allowed to smoke an e-cig, a normal cig or a menthol cig, which the E.U. banned, they shoukd be allowed to drive whatever speed they want, an adult should be allowed to do what they want so long as it does not cause harm to anyone else.

I just love the way Irish people resort to blaming someone else whenever they have a gripe about anything. This is nothing new.

Once upon a time we had an Island of Saints and Scholars.
Then the nasty Vikings came along and fu*ked us up with their rape and pillage.
Then the Normans came and stole all our land.
The Normans morphed into the English who bled us dry' for 800 years.
Then the EU came along and took over the country by bribing us with loads of money but they wanted us to abide by silly rules and regs.
Then the bankers came along and codded us by bribing us with even more money. (Well we thought it was free money but apparently they now want it back).
Then the IMF came along and gave us loads of money to pay our debts but apparently they want us to behave responsibly by not spending money we don't have, (the cheek of them).
Then the Germans came along and took over the EU by giving everyone money but they seem to want to have some say in what is done with the money, (the cheek of them too).

Why don't we just vote ourselves out of the EU, tell the IMF to take a hike and tell the Germans to fu*k off back to Deutschland.
We would free to make our own laws. We could realise DeValera's dream of an island of comely laughing maidens and strong sporting youths etc. etc.. In short, we could go back to being an Island of Saints and Scholars again free from all these nasty 'foreign' people telling us what to do.......

Oh sh1t.....was that my alarm clock.......better wake up and go to work.......feckin dreaming again.

conorhal

Roger, that's no worse then the self flagilating goons that throw up their hands and bemoan ever having left 'the union'.
The EU has no business rooting through my bins. That's a rediculous level of interference. I was more then happy to be part of the EEC when the European project was about economic coperation. This 'rubbish' however has gone too far.

Wibbs

Roger_007 wrote: »

Once upon a time we had an Island of Saints and Scholars.

Indeed and the joke is when we were we weren't inward looking. The very opposite in fact, we looked out, looked to the world, sought to find our place in that world while keeping the threads that made us who we were alive. We studied and copied any of the classical texts we could lay our hands on, while also writing down the Tain. We went out to Europe and Europe came to us. We were more "European" than we've ever been before and I'd argue since and we were the better for it and Europe itself might well have been a different landscape if we hadn't been.

As for the rest? Limiting cars to 120 is largely pointless, though the holier than thou handwringers would love it. Well they would as being seen to do the right thing is what gives them the horn, actually doing the right thing eludes as it requires the application of logic. For a start the roads have never been safer, yet cars today are on average far more powerful than even two decades ago and where do most fatal accidents happen? Back roads. Hitting a tree at 120 will kill you just as efficiently as hitting it at 140. Plus human nature comes into play. People will be more likely to aim for the limit regardless. E-cigs? Vested interests ahoy. If all smokers went to vaping the tax take would plummet. The tobacco companies would face huge losses and the pharmacies, more the "official" nicotine delivery "smoking cessation"* companies would take a hit too. That's a lot of guns pointing at vaping and regulation is how they'll pull the trigger.




*which are proven to not work for that and are nearly as expensive as smoking.

Shenshen

Wibbs wrote: »

As for the rest? Limiting cars to 120 is largely pointless, though the holier than thou handwringers would love it. Well they would as being seen to do the right thing is what gives them the horn, actually doing the right thing eludes as it requires the application of logic. For a start the roads have never been safer, yet cars today are on average far more powerful than even two decades ago and where do most fatal accidents happen? Back roads. Hitting a tree at 120 will kill you just as efficiently as hitting it at 140. Plus human nature comes into play. People will be more likely to aim for the limit regardless. E-cigs? Vested interests ahoy. If all smokers went to vaping the tax take would plummet. The tobacco companies would face huge losses and the pharmacies, more the "official" nicotine delivery "smoking cessation"* companies would take a hit too. That's a lot of guns pointing at vaping and regulation is how they'll pull the trigger.




*which are proven to not work for that and are nearly as expensive as smoking.

Well, reading the article, the suggestion is not to limit the cars to 120kph flat, but to whatever the speed limit would happen to be in the road they're driving on.
So that should indeed cut down a little on people wrapping themselves round trees at 120 kph.
To tell you the truth, I wouldn't mind that particular regulation - you can still go to a race track with your souped up Subaru Impregnant or whatever and get your speed kick, you just won't be able to hold your races on public roads any more. Sounds like a win-win to me.

Wibbs

Shenshen wrote: »

Well, reading the article, the suggestion is not to limit the cars to 120kph flat, but to whatever the speed limit would happen to be in the road they're driving on.
So that should indeed cut down a little on people wrapping themselves round trees at 120 kph.

Well we'd have to rejig the limits on a helluva lot of country roads on this island. A crazy amount of them have a 100 limit, roads where Senna on his best day would have difficulty keeping out of the hedges at 80, never mind 100.

To tell you the truth, I wouldn't mind that particular regulation - you can still go to a race track with your souped up Subaru Impregnant or whatever and get your speed kick, you just won't be able to hold your races on public roads any more. Sounds like a win-win to me.

Couple of problems with implementation though. New cars with their integrated computer systems for damn near everything OK, but what about older cars you can't fit such systems to? A Ford Escort Cosworth from the mid 80's would hammer the hell out of most modern cars up a back road and it's "computer" is akin to a hamster in a wheel. Never mind the big brother aspect, where agencies can tell at any given time where you and your car is. Never mind human ingenuity where people will simply reprogram the device and bypass it. Daft idea all around and for what end? "Well if just one life is saved" is not an argument it's appeal to emotion.

wexie

Wibbs wrote: »

Well we'd have to rejig the limits on a helluva lot of country roads on this island. A crazy amount of them have a 100 limit, roads where Senna on his best day would have difficulty keeping out of the hedges at 80, never mind 100.

You'd have to ask yourself though if the bureaucrat (and I used that with exactly the contempt it deserves) that's floated this idea is even vaguely aware of the existence of roads such as these.

And even if (big if) we managed to rejig the speedlimits, hitting said tree (or tractor or farmhouse) at 80 instead of a 100 is hardly likely to save you much discomfort.

Annasopra

conorhal wrote: »

Oh, and just so you know, if you've put any food in your black bin this week, you are in contravention of a new EU directive on food waste (part of those 1000 pages) and potentally subject to a 30 thousand euro fine or 3 months in jail.......

Any more details on this?

Fratton Fred

Wibbs wrote: »

E-cigs? Vested interests ahoy. If all smokers went to vaping the tax take would plummet. The tobacco companies would face huge losses and the pharmacies, more the "official" nicotine delivery "smoking cessation"* companies would take a hit too. That's a lot of guns pointing at vaping and regulation is how they'll pull the trigger.




*which are proven to not work for that and are nearly as expensive as smoking.

Not forgetting the billions a year spent on drugs to treat lung cancer.

Do pharmaceutical companies want to see an end to smoking? Not a chance.

Shenshen

Wibbs wrote: »

Well we'd have to rejig the limits on a helluva lot of country roads on this island. A crazy amount of them have a 100 limit, roads where Senna on his best day would have difficulty keeping out of the hedges at 80, never mind 100.
Couple of problems with implementation though. New cars with their integrated computer systems for damn near everything OK, but what about older cars you can't fit such systems to? A Ford Escort Cosworth from the mid 80's would hammer the hell out of most modern cars up a back road and it's "computer" is akin to a hamster in a wheel. Never mind the big brother aspect, where agencies can tell at any given time where you and your car is. Never mind human ingenuity where people will simply reprogram the device and bypass it. Daft idea all around and for what end? "Well if just one life is saved" is not an argument it's appeal to emotion.

I see a huge market for used old cars developping there

I think the Big Brother aspect is already alive and kicking, how many new cars come without a SatNav these days?

As for human ingenuity - if you really, really want to break a law, there rarely is much stopping you. I'm sure there are web sites out there telling you how to safely remove electronic tags from items you wish to shoplift, how to reconfigure your Sky box so you can watch telly for free, or even for that matter how to set the clock on your car back by a few 10 000km when you come to sell it.
Does that mean shops shouldn't tag their stock, Sky should just give away their boxes and access and cars should not even track how many km they've done?

Ray Palmer

I always laugh at people who complain about the EU regulating things. It is much more sensibly done than relying on the countries to do it on their own.

Ireland has had to correct its laws thanks to the EU. We would never have changed the laws if it wasn't for that pressure.

Half of the things people think were brought in by the EU never happened.

Robbo

conorhal wrote: »

Well, just this week we signed a thousand pages of EU directives into law without so much as a single debate on the legislation.

Oh, and just so you know, if you've put any food in your black bin this week, you are in contravention of a new EU directive on food waste (part of those 1000 pages) and potentally subject to a 30 thousand euro fine or 3 months in jail.......


Funk the EU.

*cough*
3 months imprisonment or a €4,000 fine on summary conviction, much worse upon indictment which is guaranteed to never happen to anyone apart from a commercial waste processor. Also, no District Justice in the land will impose the upper end of these penalties.
*cough*

Perhaps you'd like to try selling some straight bananas now?

Grayson

Considering in 20 years we'll have cars that drive themselves (And will stick to speed limits) there may be a day when we look back at a discussion like this about speed limits and laugh.

Eight Ball

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

I would have been a proponent of the E.U. I think it has done a lot of good for Ireland but recently they are really starting to piss me off with their nanny state ways. Here is just a couple of things the E.U. Is currently trying to ruin.

Regulating/banning e-cigs which are considered to be harmless
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10178573/EU-vote-on-electronic-cigarettes-makes-no-sense.html

Speed limiters in all our cars.
http://news.sky.com/story/1135815/eu-may-order-speed-limiters-fitted-to-uk-cars

Would they ever **** off and leave us do what we want, an adult should be allowed to smoke an e-cig, a normal cig or a menthol cig, which the E.U. banned, they shoukd be allowed to drive whatever speed they want, an adult should be allowed to do what they want so long as it does not cause harm to anyone else.

The Irish people voted to be part of the wonderful "EU family" suck it up.

Oh and I agree with the car limiter thing. Anything that cuts down on road deaths is a good thing.

Frank Lee Midere

Roger_007 wrote: »

Then the bankers came along and codded us by bribing us with even more money. (Well we thought it was free money but apparently they now want it back).
Then the IMF came along and gave us loads of money to pay our debts but apparently they want us to behave responsibly by not spending money we don't have, (the cheek of them).
Then the Germans came along and took over the EU by giving everyone money but they seem to want to have some say in what is done with the money, (the cheek of them too).
.

Is this kind of nonsense actually believed. We bailed out the banks. They have our money. By bailing out the banks, which we didn't have to do, we got a loan - not a gift - from the Germans/EU at market rates, and much higher than we would have gotten were we not in the position we were in because we bailed out the banks. And by bailing out the Irish banks we kept the bank creditors in gravy. Germany banks amongst them.