Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14

Frank Garrett

emergingstar wrote: »

Ramsey is only 6 goals behind bobby for most goals by a midfielder in a season

Some player

Fàbregas scored 19 in 2009/10, so it's a joint record.

bad2dabone

Frank Garrett wrote: »

Fàbregas scored 19 in 2009/10, so it's a joint record.

I think rambo might well break the record this season. I hope so anyway.

cson

One of the great things about Ramseys goalscoring is that it'll open up the park for the others. I wouldn't be surprised to see Theo and Poldi quickly notch up double figures when they return. Teams will be concentrating on shutting down Ramsey and Ozil and that leaves space for the others. Lampard used to say that he would always shape to shoot as he either would get the chance to or by closing him down the defenders would leave space for other players.

Gringo180

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Call Me Jimmy

pass the sick-bucket

cson

RVP is such a reprehensible individual.

I'd love, just one time, for us to flog them and him to be on the pitch.

Mickeroo

RVP didn't celebrate last season and was still booed iirc, he's a hate figure to a lot of arsenal fans now so he probably thought "well screw it, there's no point pretending I'm not happy I scored so I don't hurt the feelings a bunch of people who hate me anyway". We can't have it both ways.

Ramsey on the other hand is a kid who left Cardiff and done good, the Cardiff fans still like him, they even applauded his goal today. How many gooners would have applauded RVP's goal if he hadn't celebrated?

tayto lover

Jaysus i'm getting very dizzy with us being up here all alone. Love it. :):D

Frank Garrett

Van Persie celebrated at home, Ramsey refused to celebrate away at Cardiff.

Van Persie refused to celebrate away at Arsenal at the end of last season.

Pepe LeFrits

Mickeroo wrote: »

RVP didn't celebrate last season and was still booed iirc, he's a hate figure to a lot of arsenal fans now so he probably thought "well screw it, there's no point pretending I'm not happy I scored so I don't hurt the feelings a bunch of people who hate me anyway". We can't have it both ways.

Ramsey on the other hand is a kid who left Cardiff and done good, the Cardiff fans still like him, they even applauded his goal today. How many gooners would have applauded RVP's goal if he hadn't celebrated?

van Persie's also a completely two-faced fraud who clearly doesn't give a **** about the fans, only being adulated over. That was clearly apparent when he released his pathetic statement to force his way out.

Drexel

Winning the league is the best way to shove it to van persie.

He should have showed the same patience to Arsenal that Arsenal showed to him

.jacksparrow.

jonny666 wrote: »

Winning the league is the best way to shove it to van persie.

He should have showed the same patience to Arsenal that Arsenal showed to him

Hmmm you said it yourself.

That point is only valid if we win the league.

Until that it appears he done the right thing.

efb

AdamD wrote: »

Arsenal have conceded 1 goal in 7 games.


Offt

And Mert was off that day

So we can't win the league as we still haven't played the big boys according to Match of the Day :rolleyes:

ironkiwi

Ah yes there it is.... the weekly MOTD "Arsenal cannot win the league.... they have not played the big teams, they lost to Utd".... bla bla bla bla..... by the way who is this Danny Murphy guy.....???

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[Deleted User] wrote: »

So we can't win the league as we still haven't played the big boys according to Match of the Day :rolleyes:

It's hard to take anything they say seriously when they can't even spell Wilshere right.

Green Hornet

Good ole MOTD......although to be fair, they weren't quite as dismissive and distainful as Hansen.

Mickeroo

I'd love to win the league but not beat any of the other top teams along the way just to see the confusion it would cause on MotD.

Green Hornet

Ferdinand was right in what he said though, if Giroud gets injured, we are in trouble.

.jacksparrow.

It seems to breed confidence in this team.

Keep doing it MOTM.

Quixoticelixer

Remember the days when Szczesny and Ramsey weren't good enough to play for Arsenal and when Mertesacker was a slow lanky liability? Delighted for those three.

On Szczesny in particular- I never understood why so many of our fans didn't rate the guy until recently, every transfer window, we had fans looking for a new keeper. There are many who would have had us with Julio Cesar in goals this season. Szcz is Seaman/Lehmann quality, and lets not forget, both of them made the occasional screw up too!

Gringo180

Quixoticelixer wrote: »

Remember the days when Szczesny and Ramsey weren't good enough to play for Arsenal and when Mertesacker was a slow lanky liability? Delighted for those three.

On Szczesny in particular- I never understood why so many of our fans didn't rate the guy until recently, every transfer window, we had fans looking for a new keeper. There are many who would have had us with Julio Cesar in goals this season. Szcz is Seaman/Lehmann quality, and lets not forget, both of them made the occasional screw up too!

What was I thinking writing the young lad off, what a save today if that went in it was a completely different result, a save right out of the top drawer delighted for him as he really is Arsenal true and true.

gandalf

Mickeroo wrote: »

I'd love to win the league but not beat any of the other top teams along the way just to see the confusion it would cause on MotD.

Hansens head would explode

cson

Mickeroo wrote: »

I'd love to win the league but not beat any of the other top teams along the way just to see the confusion it would cause on MotD.

Hansen and Shearers heads would explode.

You don't need to beat the better teams to win it, but it helps if you do. I think the Chelsea/City matches will probably show everyone where we actually are. It'll show that we are serious contenders.

batistuta9

Mickeroo wrote: »

"Arsenal aren't a great defensive team despite their record." wtf does that mean?

Mickeroo wrote: »

It's not really the media at large, it's more Stuart Robson's moronic remarks during the match that have people's back up I think.

he means that you'll always get chances against arsenal.

mainly because of how they play
they've only conceded 1 in the last 6 but l'pool, dortmund (a hat full), marseille & even cardiff today could've gotten a least one, man u could've had one more. s'hampton i can't really remember

not defending him but it's not as stupid as it sounds.
Like tottenham have taken the most shots in the league, 217, have the second most on target, 79.
it's not moronic to say they aren't that great an offensive team despite the stats

.jacksparrow.

batistuta9 wrote: »

he means that you'll always get chances against arsenal.

mainly because of how they play
they've only conceded 1 in the last 6 but l'pool, dortmund (a hat full), marseille & even cardiff today could've gotten a least one, man u could've had one more. s'hampton i can't really remember

not defending him but it's not as stupid as it sounds.
Like tottenham have taken the most shots in the league, 217, have the second most on target, 79.
it's not moronic to say they aren't that great an offensive team despite the stats

Sorry but I have never read such garage in my life.

batistuta9

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Sorry but I have never read such garage in my life.

how is it garbage?

bad2dabone

Anyhow re match of the day, Shearer hasn't been a dick about arsenal. He's been fair.

.jacksparrow.

batistuta9 wrote: »

how is it garbage?

Any team can concede a goal at any time but we didnt, that's what matters, no ifs buts just simple facts.

What can't speak can't lie, 1 goal conceded in 7 games.

Simple as that.

batistuta9

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Any team can concede a goal at any time but we didnt, that's what matters, no ifs buts just simple facts.

What can't speak can't lie, 1 goal conceded in 7 games.

Simple as that.

it appears it can: it's 1 goal in the last 6, if you go back 7, it was chelsea(0-2)
facts are supposed to be correct - simple as that

i know any team can conceded at any time but that isn't the point of it, the point is you'd always get that chance vs arsenal - do you not get that?

jamescd

batistuta9 wrote: »

it appears it can: it's 1 goal in the last 6, if you go back 7, it was chelsea(0-2)
facts are supposed to be correct - simple as that

i know any team can conceded at any time but that isn't the point of it, the point is you'd always get that chance vs arsenal - do you not get that?

Yes, but the important thing is to keep those chances to a minimum. Cardiff only got 1 good chance today and that was the Frasier header.

Cardiff created plenty more chances against City and even scored 3. Same against United, but one less goal obviously

.jacksparrow.

batistuta9 wrote: »

it appears it can: it's 1 goal in the last 6, if you go back 7, it was chelsea(0-2)
facts are supposed to be correct - simple as that

i know any team can conceded at any time but that isn't the point of it, the point is you'd always get that chance vs arsenal - do you not get that?

No.

And I'm not in the mood of getting into a big discussion about what could have been.

We are top of the league and I'm gonna enjoy it without negative what ifs.

batistuta9

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

No.

And I'm not in the mood of getting into a big discussion about what could have been.

We are top of the league and I'm gonna enjoy it without negative what ifs.

i don't want to get into an argument either & it isn't about what could've been either

but it's no wonder button stopped posting in this thread

i'm just saying his comment isn't/wasn't as ridiculous as made out.
that's why i gave the tottenham comparison, at times stats mean shít

Spanish Johnny

ironkiwi wrote: »

Ah yes there it is.... the weekly MOTD "Arsenal cannot win the league.... they have not played the big teams, they lost to Utd".... bla bla bla bla..... by the way who is this Danny Murphy guy.....???

To be honest I can't understand what is so wrong with their views.

I know this is a different Arsenal side to the last few seasons, etc but I can still see how pundits are erring on the side of caution given some past false dawns. I think we will prove them wrong but I don't think their stance is as irrational as some make out.

Our first major league test was against an average Man United side and we failed it.

Of the 6 'big teams' - Man United, Chelsea, Man City, Liverpool, Spurs and Everton we have played 3 out of 12 of these fixtures. That's the reality. We have a lot to prove to ourselves first never mind the pundits.

jamescd

batistuta9 wrote: »

i don't want to get into an argument either & it isn't about what could've been either

but it's no wonder button stopped posting in this thread

i'm just saying his comment isn't/wasn't as ridiculous as made out.
that's why i gave the tottenham comparison, at times stats mean shít

So how does conceding 1 good chance against Cardiff = we're not a good defensive team ? When the likes of City and United conceded a boat load of chances and also let in 5 goals between them.

If anything it proves we are a better defensive team according to your logic since we conceded a lot less chances

batistuta9

jamescd wrote: »

Yes, but the important thing is to keep those chances to a minimum. Cardiff only got 1 good chance today and that was the Frasier header.

Cardiff created plenty more chances against City and even scored 3. Same against United, but one less goal obviously

exactly, keeping them to a minimum is the most important thing

robson was saying 'while arsenal haven't conceded that many goals, they'll give teams chances to score'

if a team conceded 38 goals in a season from 38 clear chances & another conceded 35 from 70, who would you say has the better defence?
the stat says one thing, reality another - you get me

batistuta9

jamescd wrote: »

So how does conceding 1 good chance against Cardiff = we're not a good defensive team ? When the likes of City and United conceded a boat load of chances and also let in 5 goals between them.

If anything it proves we are a better defensive team according to your logic since we conceded a lot less chances

see the post above, but it isn't necessarily based on the game today

jamescd

But it's today's game that Stuart Robson said it.

batistuta9

jamescd wrote: »

But it's today's game that Stuart Robson said it.

but he meant the defensive record overall

jamescd

batistuta9 wrote: »

but he meant the defensive record overall

We still don't concede as many as chances as you make out. Even Southampton who are a defensive team concede chances. United had plenty of chances to score the 2nd goal against them. Whereas the only other good chance they made against Arsenal was the Rooney miss.

Quazzie

For the people who argued that we "could have" conceded a lot more based on the chances we gave away, also agree that we "could have" not conceded against United and even sneaked a winner and be ten points clear, or does the argument only work when you are going against the facts and statistics?

TBF we "could have" also been more prepared for Villa, therefore, we "could be" up for another invincible season again.


ffs...

batistuta9

Quazzie wrote: »

For the people who argued that we "could have" conceded a lot more based on the chances we gave away, also agree that we "could have" not conceded against United and even sneaked a winner and be ten points clear, or does the argument only work when you are going against the facts and statistics?

robson made a point that was ridiculed, it wasn't as stupid as it sounded

if gary neville said it there'd be lads creaming themselves about it to get posting crap like 'despised him as a player but...'

of course you can turn it the other way & say they should have scored this or that - like people done today with girouds on/off debacle & one off the line, arguing it was as comfortable as 3-0 suggested

robson was saying arsenal aren't as tight at the back as the stat suggests, that's it

batistuta9

Deleted User wrote: »

TBF we "could have" also been more prepared for Villa, therefore, we "could be" up for another invincible season again.


ffs...

it isn't/wasn't about 'could have', his point was arsenal do/will give up chances, more so than their record lets on - not that silly , do you not think?


what would your answer be to the below

if a team conceded 38 goals in a season from 38 clear chances & another conceded 35 from 70, who would you say has the better defence?

Marty McFly

We had the second best defensive record in the league last season, we have been tight at the back this season aswell, No ifs, buts or maybes about it our defence is not weak nor should it be seen as a liability

Mickeroo

batistuta9 wrote: »

he means that you'll always get chances against arsenal.

mainly because of how they play
they've only conceded 1 in the last 6 but l'pool, dortmund (a hat full), marseille & even cardiff today could've gotten a least one, man u could've had one more. s'hampton i can't really remember

not defending him but it's not as stupid as it sounds.
Like tottenham have taken the most shots in the league, 217, have the second most on target, 79.
it's not moronic to say they aren't that great an offensive team despite the stats

I get what you're trying to say, but your logic is flawed. You don't judge an offensive team by the chances they create and fail to convert, you judge them by the goals they score. Selecting which stats to use in order to make Tottenham look like a good offensive team is just confirmation bias.

Tottenham aren't a good offensive team at the moment because they don't score a lot of goals, Arsenal are a good defensive team because they don't concede a lot of goals. It's as simple as that.

Turtwig

Mickeroo wrote: »

I get what you're trying to say, but your logic is flawed. You don't judge an offensive team by the chances they create and fail to convert, you judge them by the goals they score. Selecting which stats to use in order to make Tottenham look like a good offensive team is just confirmation bias.

Tottenham aren't a good offensive team at the moment because they don't score a lot of goals, Arsenal are a good defensive team because they don't concede a lot of goals. It's as simple as that.

And it's even more complicated than that. Arsenal primarily play a possession based attacking game. Meaning when they give an errant pass and the first line of pressing defenders is beaten they're really exposed. So they concede chances. However, when they drop deeper they offer up far less of those threatening attacks. Leaving goal scoring opportunities few and far between. They'll still concede chances and some will be scored, but in general teams find them hard to break down. That's the sign of a good defence. It helps too that they've got a lethal counter to boot. Interestingly the counter attack brings out the best in Ozil and plays to Walcott's strength. If arsenal get a goal up on any team. . .

batistuta9

Mickeroo wrote: »

I get what you're trying to say, but your logic is flawed. You don't judge an offensive team by the chances they create and fail to convert, you judge them by the goals they score. Selecting which stats to use in order to make Tottenham look like a good offensive team is just confirmation bias.

Tottenham aren't a good offensive team at the moment because they don't score a lot of goals, Arsenal are a good defensive team because they don't concede a lot of goals. It's as simple as that.

tottenham was an example i don't think you understood me, stats show they create a lot but don't score.
maybe i should've said just because tottenham have scored 9 goals, it doesn't mean they aren't creating chances.
therefore just because you don't conceded that many doesn't mean you don't give away chances either

i'm not having a go at arsenal with this, it's just i think there's something in robsons' comment - which happened to be about arsenal

stats don't tell the whole the story, at times even they're pretty pointless

do you judge how good a team is defensively by the number they've conceded or by the number of chances they give away?

judging by the number of goals conceded shows how good the defensive record is.
judging by the number of chances conceded shows how good they're defensively.

like the question below, which is the better defence:

if a team conceded 38 goals in a season from 38 clear chances & another conceded 35 from 70, who would you say has the better defence?

gosplan

What is this rubbish??

Is the keeper not allowed be considered a part of the defence now?

If you're going to say that we're not good defensively because yesterday a half blocked cross looped up and someone got a header on target, then there's actually never been a good defensive team in the PL.