Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14

Mickeroo

Deleted User wrote: »

That was lovely. So nice to "like" Hull now that Brown is gone.

They've been my second team for a decade thanks to championship manager.

Frank Garrett

FearDark wrote: »

Every Match going our way!!

You're forgetting about Man City. We want Swansea to put one over on them.

Royale with Cheese

Man City aren't gonna drop points against Swansea at home. Even if they win though Arse are still 6 clear as it stands, would happily take that.

jamescd

Frank Garrett wrote: »

You're forgetting about Man City. We want Swansea to put one over on them.

Now you're just being greedy :pac:

They'll keep dropping points away from home though so I'm not too bothered if they win this one.

FearDark

Frank Garrett wrote: »

You're forgetting about Man City. We want Swansea to put one over on them.

Jaysus calm the horse there.

tayto lover

emergingstar wrote: »

Watching hull here today and I think we should rest some players

There are useless

They have a much better defence than Cardiff.
We need to treat them with respect.
Play our best team and make changes when well ahead.

Mickeroo

Are we on TV wednesday night? Bit of rotation would be no harm with Everton coming so soon, not like we don't have options in midfield.

cson

The big games in December; I'd rather 3 points than 2 I think (in other words I'd rather one win than 2 draws). If we don't make any mistakes up until then, you are putting immense pressure on either City or Chelsea if you beat them. It'd put City 9 back and Chelsea 7 coming into Xmas. That's huge.

Anyways, we'll think about that closer to the time. Next objective; 3pts vs Hull.

DenMan

Martin Jol sacked! Fulham's next game is against Spurs on Wednesday night!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25170983

FearDark

Hull on Wednesday, didn't realise that

imtdub

City have been on the backfoot since the goal, but I still think they'll nick this with their firepower upfront.

ronjo

FearDark wrote: »

Hull on Wednesday, didn't realise that

They just added it to the fixture list this morning

Marty McFly

Is the Hull game being shown live?


Just wondering can anyone recommend whats a good decent pub to have a few pints in before and possibly after a game near the Emirates?

This time next week I'll be at the Everton game.

bad2dabone

http://www.tollingtonarms-holloway.co.uk/

cathalio11

Disastrous 60 seconds, there

bad2dabone

bugger, only 4 points clear tonight now

DenMan

Normally you'd say beating Liverpool might have taken a lot out of Hull but Liverpool were so bad it was unreal. Hull will be on a high now. Must win game on Wednesday night!

Alfred Borden

Joel Campbell scored again tonight, cant wait see him back here next year.

imtdub

Cashri looking good for City this season

DenMan

imtdub wrote: »

Cashri looking good for City this season

That's what qualifying for the World Cup does for you!

imtdub

DenMan wrote: »

That's what qualifying for the World Cup does for you!

To be fair he has been good since the start of the season, their qualification was only confirmed couple of weeks ago. I read somewhere, where he said he had some issues with french media and then some off field issues, which were playing on his mind. So he wasn't himself or something...

.jacksparrow.

God I despise everything about Chelsea, players, manager, fans, owner, the list is endless.

FearDark

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

God I despise everything about Chelsea, players, manager, fans, owner, the list is endless.

I don't know I hate more, them or City. Bloody oil rich clubs should be nowhere near the top of the table.

DenMan

imtdub wrote: »

To be fair he has been good since the start of the season, their qualification was only confirmed couple of weeks ago. I read somewhere, where he said he had some issues with french media and then some off field issues, which were playing on his mind. So he wasn't himself or something...

That true! Working for Manuel Pellegrini must be brilliant too! Nasri said him and Wenger were the best two coaches he has ever played for! Mancini at City seems so long ago now as Pellegrini was linked with them before the last season finished.

Mickeroo

Look on the bright side guys, thanks to Chelsea scoring three and Southampton nabbing one we now have the joint best defensive record in the league

Irish Aris

Mickeroo wrote: »

Look on the bright side guys, thanks to Chelsea scoring three and Southampton nabbing one we now have the joint best defensive record in the league

not too bad for a team that doesn't know how to defend. . .:rolleyes:

MaxPower89

Walcott and Rosicky to start on Wednesday? Perhaps giving Ozil and Ramsey a break.

Vermaelen and Monreal for Kos and Gibbs.

Surely has to be game to rotate.

gosplan

MaxPower89 wrote: »

Walcott and Rosicky to start on Wednesday? Perhaps giving Ozil and Ramsey a break.

Vermaelen and Monreal for Kos and Gibbs.

Surely has to be game to rotate.

Wouldn't touch Kos.

One of Ramsey/Ozil.

MaxPower89

MaxPower89 wrote: »

Walcott and Rosicky to start on Wednesday? Perhaps giving Ozil and Ramsey a break.

Vermaelen and Monreal for Kos and Gibbs.

Surely has to be game to rotate.

I don't think so. Hull will be fired up and we're only 4 upfront.

I'd rather rotate for City tbh. As mad as it sounds, I doubt we'll get anything there. And it won't matter in the long run if we don't (hopefully)

tayto lover

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't think so. Hull will be fired up and we're only 4 upfront.

I'd rather rotate for City tbh. As mad as it sounds, I doubt we'll get anything there. And it won't matter in the long run if we don't (hopefully)

We need to go in with the attitude that we can win them all.
Strongest team all the time until we're forced to change.
With the right attitude we can beat City too.

emergingstar

If we can't rotate against hull we can never rotate

My team

Scez
Barcay. Kos. Mert. Monreal
Flamini
Rosicky. Jack
Walcott. Giroud. Gnabry

Maybe start santi so he can find form

In other news Campbell still ripping it up in Greece looking more like a crazy decision to send him away while keeping sango

shano_88

I agree, probably bring Verm, monreal, rosicky, flamini and Walcott in for the Hull game. Have to rotate a bit coming into this run of games and Hull is the only one where we can really afford to do it in of the next 4...

dvemail

emergingstar wrote: »

In other news Campbell still ripping it up in Greece looking more like a crazy decision to send him away while keeping sango

Is it not still work permit issues that is keeping him off our squad?

emergingstar

dvemail wrote: »

Is it not still work permit issues that is keeping him off our squad?

No he got that in the summer

emergingstar

5 goals and 8 assists in the last 7 games for Joel Campbell. The Costa Rican striker, on loan from scored again for Olympiakos today.

gosplan

Rotate a bit yeah but not everyone in one match.

When was the last time we scored a goal that didn't involve Ramsey or Ozil??

Leaving both out while also sticking Verm in would be asking for trouble.

greendom

gosplan wrote: »

Rotate a bit yeah but not everyone in one match.

When was the last time we scored a goal that didn't involve Ramsey or Ozil??

Leaving both out while also sticking Verm in would be asking for trouble.

Our first against Marseille and both against Southampton. Still think your point is valid though.

tayto lover

emergingstar wrote: »

If we can't rotate against hull we can never rotate

My team

Scez
Barcay. Kos. Mert. Monreal
Flamini
Rosicky. Jack
Walcott. Giroud. Gnabry

Maybe start santi so he can find form

In other news Campbell still ripping it up in Greece looking more like a crazy decision to send him away while keeping sango

Liverpool didn't rotate and still lost.
I recall us dropping points on many occasions against teams we were expected to hockey.
Every game should be treated as a cup final using your best 11.

emergingstar

tayto lover wrote: »

Liverpool didn't rotate and still lost.
I recall us dropping points on many occasions against teams we were expected to hockey.
Every game should be treated as a cup final using your best 11.

Done be moaning so when players start looking fatigued and we start getting more injures

shano_88

Rotation is necessary.

I'd imagine there will be 3/4 changes. Walcott and Rosicky nailed on starters imo.

tayto lover

emergingstar wrote: »

Done be moaning so when players start looking fatigued and we start getting more injures

I am not moaning at all, just being careful.
Wenger will know when players need a rest.
He will make a change when needed i'm sure.
There's an old adage that you never change a winning team.
As long as the players are doing their stuff and enjoying it as they seem to be doing now then leave them be. There is great telepathy in the team and it would be mad to change for the sake of change now when things are going so smoothly.
I rate Hull as a better team than Cardiff and wouldn't take them lightly. They will have their tails up after today too. Focus needed. If someone is playing bad or looking tired then by all means change.

I definitely wouldn't rest Rambo or Ozil though

emergingstar

tayto lover wrote: »

I am not moaning at all, just being careful.
Wenger will know when players need a rest.
He will make a change when needed i'm sure.
There's an old adage that you never change a winning team.
As long as the players are doing their stuff and enjoying it as they seem to be doing now then leave them be. There is great telepathy in the team and it would be mad to change for the sake of change now when things are going so smoothly.
I rate Hull as a better team than Cardiff and wouldn't take them lightly. They will have their tails up after today too. Focus needed. If someone is playing bad or looking tired then by all means change.

I get what your saying but looking at the fixtures this is really our only chance to rest players, maybe a little in Napoli which I would do too

And I really don't rate hull and will be bitterly disappointed is we don't really turn them over at home

Liverpool had something like 70% possession today, with there midfield

cson

Definitely should see 3 changes for the Hull game. Walcott, Rosicky and Flamini should come in, with Santi, Wilshere and one of Ramsey/Ozil dropping to the bench. It's Hull City, not Barcelona we're playing. At home. They're worse than Cardiff with a tactically inferior manager than Malky Mackay. Pressure Huddlestone and they'll go to ****e. They don't play full backs, they've absolutely nothing on the bench, Alex Bruce, David Meyler and Ahmed Elmohamady are Championship standard players, they've won one match away all season and they don't have a goalscorer. Robbie Brady is their highest with 3 and that's only because he's on pens.

So yeah, all things considered, we should be resting players and we should be beating them comfortably. I'll be amazed if its anything other than 2/3-0. Please feel free to quote this post if it is. Fill your boots with -2 @ 13/8 tbh.

tayto lover

emergingstar wrote: »

I get what your saying but looking at the fixtures this is really our only chance to rest players, maybe a little in Napoli which I would do too

And I really don't rate hull and will be bitterly disappointed is we don't really turn them over at home

Liverpool had something like 70% possession today, with there midfield

We will beat Hull but not as easily as many imagine.
I remember us having over 80% possession against Fulham a few years ago but they took points of us. That's football, nothing should be taken for granted.

batistuta9

Irish Aris wrote: »

To me, the better defence is the one that conceded 35 out of 70. This means it saved 35 out of 70.
It's all a matter of perspective.

Mickeroo wrote: »

I understand exactly what you're saying I just think it's not true.

I would choose the team that conceded 35 goals over the one that conceded 38 as the better defense every time. You can't judge a defense on the chances they "concede" only the goals they concede, as someone said above, if you judge a defense by the opposition almost scoring then there's never been a decent defense in the history of the PL.

yeah it's a matter of perspective and i believe conceding the least number of goals doesn't necessarily equate to being the best defensively - defensively solid you could say, difficult to break down, etc.
i just think it can't be measure by goals conceded alone.

& at least the two of you could give your opinion on it, without involving arsenal, which was the point of the question, etc. It wasn't team specific

maybe i didn't make it clear enough or even when someone disagreed they still had to pull arsenal into it or people were just looking for cheap thanks but whatever

interestingly now that arsenal & s'hampton have both conceded 10, if arsenal only gave away 18 chances & s'hampton gave up 23, i would say arsenal are better defensively, though everyone else would say they're equally as good as all you use is goals against

anyway we can draw a line under this if you want, as i'm sure people are fed up with it as they believe it about having a dig at arsenal

gosplan

i get the rotation bit, i do, but getting it wrong would mean shooting ourselves in the foot when we're on our best run in years.

Flamini Ramsey Walcott Rosicky Cazorla

If we're winning, bring on Wilshire for Ramsey

If we're losing bring on Ozil for Rosicky

I really do think though that squad depth is less about direct rotation (apart from in the case of dead rubbers or crappy cup games) and more about having someone to fill in for, and challenge, players like Walcott, Pod, Arteta when they have to miss a few games.

It is not about 'easy game = b team' ... that's asking for trouble.

Playing Flamini, Rosicky, Wilshire, Caz, Walcott would be hugely relying on Walcott and Cazorla to provide goals when neither has shown us anything to suggest that they may be back in form.

That combined with changing the CB's could leave us chasing a game with the two best chances of victory sitting on the bench and a dodgy CB on the pitch waiting to be caught out on a counter attack.

Win the games, then rest the players. Don't just rest everyone you can on the basis that the next fixture looks easier than the ones after it.

cathalio11

If West Brom conceded 35 goals in a season and United conceded 30 goals in a season; I would say that West Brom has the better defence as they would no doubt have been under more pressure.

2ndcoming

A good weekend overall, but the two most genuine title threats winning takes a bit of the gloss off.

I'd be happy to see a big rotation for the Hull game. My team:

Szcz, Bac, Mert, Verm, Monreal, Arteta, Flamini, Wilshere, Rosicky, Walcott, Giroud.

With a strong bench, that team should still have too much for Hull at home, and get Aaron, Santi and Mesut fresh for the big ones appraching.

gosplan

batistuta9 wrote: »

yeah it's a matter of perspective and i believe conceding the least number of goals doesn't necessarily equate to being the best defensively - defensively solid you could say, difficult to break down, etc.
i just think it can't be measure by goals conceded alone.

& at least the two of you could give your opinion on it, without involving arsenal, which was the point of the question, etc. It wasn't team specific

maybe i didn't make it clear enough or even when someone disagreed they still had to pull arsenal into it or people were just looking for cheap thanks but whatever

interestingly now that arsenal & s'hampton have both conceded 10, if arsenal only gave away 18 chances & s'hampton gave up 23, i would say arsenal are better defensively, though everyone else would say they're equally as good as all you use is goals against

anyway we can draw a line under this if you want, as i'm sure people are fed up with it as they believe it about having a dig at arsenal

Are you saying Arsenal are lucky in defence? This isn't trying to set you up for an argument or anything. I kind of get where you're coming from but I think if you keep chances out, then that's fine.

Is your assertion that Arsenal are riding their luck in terms of conceding these chances and that it's going to catch up with them?