Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14

jonneymendoza

he was ok playing depper

cathalio11

jonneymendoza wrote: »

we signed podolski. mertz, girud and cazola whilst RVP was still an arsenal player.

We did actually show ambition but he ****ed off.

Well up until a few days ago, everyone considered those signings a lack of ambition.

Pepe LeFrits

Whether it’s ego or what, I don’t know, but I don’t think Cesc has it in himself to play a deep midfield role at this moment in time. I think he’s got too much to offer offensively, and he knows it. I’d also be wary of it when you consider Wenger moved him forward, and both Del Bosque and Guardiola were happy to play him as far forward as possible… and you’d have to think those guys him pretty damn well.

Anyway, I think that's where Jack's immediate future rests.

Pepe LeFrits

Not that it matters!

gandalf

cathalio11 wrote: »

Well up until a few days ago, everyone considered those signings a lack of ambition.

Err I certainly didn't, especially Santi. Giroud was the biggest unknown quantity of them all and once I saw him in action I knew we had a gem on our hands. I was also delighted that we signed Arteta the previous year.

emergingstar

Anyone see narsi's quotes

The week that keeps giving

gandalf

emergingstar wrote: »

Anyone see narsi's quotes

The week that keeps giving

Nope what did he say?

Pepe LeFrits

Jesus, I just realised we signed Özil!

Mickeroo

gandalf wrote: »

Nope what did he say?

All I can find is him apologising about his conduct after euro 2012?

greendom

As reporting on the "Ozil storm" - fans and players expressing their confusion and disapproval over his sale

Alfred Borden

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/336543/robin-van-persie-and-david-moyes-hit-skids

Week keeps getting better Enjoy Cleverly, Carrick and Anderson, Giroud will enjoy Ozil, Wilshere and Cazorla

GeorgeBailey

emergingstar wrote: »

Anyone see narsi's quotes

The week that keeps giving

This has been happening a lot on this thread recently where someone says "did you see what x said?" and haven't included a link. C'mon I'm dying here. Teases the lot of ye

overpronator

Raf32 wrote: »

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/336543/robin-van-persie-and-david-moyes-hit-skids

Week keeps getting better Enjoy Cleverly, Carrick and Anderson, Giroud will enjoy Ozil, Wilshere and Cazorla

Sounds like that coming from RvPs agent, the little ****bag can rot there.

Fuzzy_Dunlop

Cristiano Ronaldo - 'The sale of Ozil is very bad news for me,' he said.
'He was the player who best knew my moves in front of goal... I'm angry about Özil leaving.'

Ah sure come join him

emergingstar

"I had my worst season since I've been a professional. I was proud but inside, I was bleeding" Nasri

Was tweeted by a blogger, in work don't have time to find link

bad2dabone

Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote: »

Ah sure come join him

it would be sweet sweet, just for the hurt it would cause United fans.

.jacksparrow.

Please let us not disappoint ozil, lets match his ambition!

Mickeroo

Really brings home what a coup this was when you look at the way the RM fans and the likes of Khedira and Ronaldo have reacted.

bad2dabone

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Please let us not disappoint ozil, lets match his ambition!

it's essential that we add a top class striker to the bunch now.

a cheeky 45m for Suarez in Jan?

Alfred Borden

bad2dabone wrote: »

it's essential that we add a top class striker to the bunch now.

a cheeky 45m for Suarez in Jan?

60 million if it takes that and wont be cup tied.

Awesomeness

Madrid have shown once again that they are the biggest clowns in world football.

They make Newcastle look like a well run club

AdamD

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

Whether it’s ego or what, I don’t know, but I don’t think Cesc has it in himself to play a deep midfield role at this moment in time. I think he’s got too much to offer offensively, and he knows it. I’d also be wary of it when you consider Wenger moved him forward, and both Del Bosque and Guardiola were happy to play him as far forward as possible… and you’d have to think those guys him pretty damn well.

Anyway, I think that's where Jack's immediate future rests.

I also think its his best position. He was brilliant in his breakthrough year playing beside Song behind Cesc:

--Wilshere

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Song

---

Fabregas

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This season, or at least for the next 2 months I think we'll see:

-Wilshere----Ramsey

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Ozil

---

I think the Wilshere and Ramsey combination can actually work, as its an issue of understanding and positioning, rather than mentality with say Song. They both have good work rates and are willing to put in a tackle, so its more a case of honing their skills or positioning and understanding when to go forward and when to hold. How long that will take remains to be seen but I do believe they have the skillset between them to make that work. I also think its Wilshere's best position by far atm. His dribbling is more effective from deep and he tends to play the 'pre-assist' pass rather than the assist pass, so imo he is more suited to CM than CAM atm. He also can't shoot for balls which never helps when hes at the edge of the box.

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Wilshere

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Ramsey
---Walcott

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Ozil

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Cazorla

---

Giroud

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Looks pretty tasty to me.

Awesomeness

AdamD wrote: »

I also think its his best position. He was brilliant in his breakthrough year playing beside Song behind Cesc:

--Wilshere

---

Song

---

Fabregas

---

This season, or at least for the next 2 months I think we'll see:

-Wilshere----Ramsey

---

Ozil

---

I think the Wilshere and Ramsey combination can actually work, as its an issue of understanding and positioning, rather than mentality with say Song. They both have good work rates and are willing to put in a tackle, so its more a case of honing their skills or positioning and understanding when to go forward and when to hold. How long that will take remains to be seen but I do believe they have the skillset between them to make that work. I also think its Wilshere's best position by far atm. His dribbling is more effective from deep and he tends to play the 'pre-assist' pass rather than the assist pass, so imo he is more suited to CM than CAM atm. He also can't shoot for balls which never helps when hes at the edge of the box.

---

Wilshere

---

Ramsey
---Walcott

---

Ozil

---

Cazorla

---

Giroud

---

Looks pretty tasty to me.

With options in Poldi, Mozart, OX, Arteta and the Flamster.

I wonder how long my excitement can last because at the moment there is no end in sight

Alfred Borden

Got to be Arteta and Ramsey for me in the double pivot. They work best together and Arteta is our most important player, only one that can play that position the way we need. On top of jack not being fully fit and alternating him to regain full fitness and confidence, its a no brainer for me personally. Nice to have these selection problems though.

GavRedKing

If Liverpool continue there good start no bid from an EPL side will tempt either party IMO.

Mickeroo

Yeah I think Wilshire won't be a nailed on starter at the moment. I think it's no harm really, he's a good option off the bench and he also looks pretty brittle at the moment. I think it could help his development in the long run and take a bit of pressure off him both mentally and physically.

gandalf

Sure feck it from reading some of the press Ronaldo looks fairly pissed at Ozil going maybe a cheeky bid in Jan

Could you imagine the meltdown in the united thread if that happened Lol

Ed Winchester

GavRedKing wrote: »

If Liverpool continue there good start no bid from an EPL side will tempt either party IMO.

They won't though. They'll fall apart soon.

Mickeroo

GavRedKing wrote: »

If Liverpool continue there good start no bid from an EPL side will tempt either party IMO.

If Suarez comes back into the team and start scoring again, which he most likely will, all will be forgiven and there's not a hope they'd sell him to us in january, especially if we're flying high still by then. Doubt the'd sell him to us even if he's rotting on the bench tbh.

To be fair to Liverpool they look quite solid at the moment and if Suarez get's his head together it could give them a huge boost. Add to that the signings of Sakho and Llori. Genuinely think they're a much bigger threat to us this year than Spurs.

Gringo180

The boss has some selection headache in midfield especially when Arteta is back fit. My own opinion is I would start Arteta in the DMF role, he is such a calming influence in that position and has great leadership qualities so he would just get my vote ahead of Ramsey (who I am delighted to see in such good form after me writing the lad off unfairly last season) and Flamini. I would then go with Wilshere and Ozil with Santi out on the left with Walcott on the right. Which would leave us with a back up midfield of;

........................Flamini
...........Ramsey...........Rosicky
Ox...............................................Podolski

:eek::eek:

Pepe LeFrits

I think Wilshere has been trying to do too much too soon. He’s not where he was pre-injury yet and risks that would have come off for him before aren’t coming off at the moment. Combine that with him shouldering an increased creative burden in a Cesc-less midfield, and it’s a recipe for problems. Ideally we’d have Arteta available and we’d be able to ease him back into form more gradually, but at least with Ozil operating ahead of the #10 role, he’ll feel less of a need to make things happen and can focus on keeping it simpler.

SweepTheLeg

gandalf wrote: »

Sure feck it from reading some of the press Ronaldo looks fairly pissed at Ozil going maybe a cheeky bid in Jan

Could you imagine the meltdown in the united thread if that happened Lol

More likely get a bid in for Ramos . Him and Ozil are best friends and it was sad reading his tweets saying he'll miss him

"Everyone is free to choose the best for themselves, but if I were to decide what was happening at Madrid he would be one of the last who would be going." - Quote from Ramos

cson

Ramsey's in better form than Wilshere and works exceptionally well with Arteta. With the majority fit it has to be Arteta in the deep role with Ramsey slightly ahead and Ozil in the CAM slot.

What worries me about the next few months is that we have nothing to cover the flanks should god forbid anything happen to Walcott. You can't underestimate what he gives us in terms of width and his general presence makes other defences uneasy. I'm concerned we'd get too narrow a lá 2008-2010 version of Arsenal with Nasri and Arshavin on the flanks and all teams would have to do to negate us is sit inside the 18 yard line.

Much as it pains me to say it; Suarez would have been ideal for us in that he can cover the flanks too. If we'd signed him and Sakho we'd have been there or thereabouts for the league this year imo.

I hope we go back in for him in January.

gandalf

Ed Winchester wrote: »

They won't though. They'll fall apart soon.

Definitely don't believe they will buckle especially with the players they have brought in. I believe that the wheels could come off for united this year. If there is any truth in the Stars story about RvP then two of their main strikers are unhappy with the manager and or club. That could be extremely toxic to Manu's morale, couple this with their lack of creativity from midfield and it could turn out to be a long and painful season for them.

Alfred Borden

liverpool arent anything special at all, they are a bigger threat than spurs though.

greendom

Delighted as I am with Ozil, I think we're in a battle for 4th again and I think it will be even tighter than last year. The only hope to relieve the pressure is if one of the teams above us falter. Something I see as unlikely but possible.

Gringo180

cson wrote: »

Ramsey's in better form than Wilshere and works exceptionally well with Arteta. With the majority fit it has to be Arteta in the deep role with Ramsey slightly ahead and Ozil in the CAM slot.

What worries me about the next few months is that we have nothing to cover the flanks should god forbid anything happen to Walcott. You can't underestimate what he gives us in terms of width and his general presence makes other defences uneasy. I'm concerned we'd get too narrow a lá 2008-2010 version of Arsenal with Nasri and Arshavin on the flanks and all teams would have to do to negate us is sit inside the 18 yard line.

Much as it pains me to say it; Suarez would have been ideal for us in that he can cover the flanks too. If we'd signed him and Sakho we'd have been there or thereabouts for the league this year imo.

I hope we go back in for him in January.

I feel that Arteta and Ramsey are a bit too similar so that's why I would give Wilshere the nod ahead of Ramsey, the way Jack ghosts past players is nothing short of exceptional, reminds me a bit of Hleb in the way he drops his shoulder and can change direction in an instant leaving the player in his wake. Its why I like when he drops deep as he can start a counter attacking move in an instant.

cson

Following on from the above; we're placing a lot of trust in Gnabry and Miyaichi to cover the flanks so fingers crossed one of them turns good and has a Raheem Sterling type breakthrough.

bad2dabone

Raf32 wrote: »

liverpool arent anything special at all, they are a bigger threat than spurs though.

I think they've had a better window than spurs, Spurs lost their one game changing player. Liverpool have kept theirs and added quality with Sakho, PL experience with mingolet Moses and Toure,
Potential with Ilori and squad depth with aspas and the other lad.

Ed Winchester

gandalf wrote: »

Definitely don't believe they will buckle especially with the players they have brought in. I believe that the wheels could come off for united this year. If there is any truth in the Stars story about RvP then two of their main strikers are unhappy with the manager and or club. That could be extremely toxic to Manu's morale, couple this with their lack of creativity from midfield and it could turn out to be a long and painful season for them.

I think Liverpools problem is Rodgers. I genuinely think he's a chancer. Swansea went well but that was a lot due to Martinez IMO. He did no better than the awful Dalglish regime.
I think they'll slip down soon. Can't see them being in the top 4.

slingerz

bad2dabone wrote: »

I think they've had a better window than spurs, Spurs lost their one game changing player. Liverpool have kept theirs and added quality with Sakho, PL experience with mingolet Moses and Toure,
Potential with Ilori and squad depth with aspas and the other lad.

Madness.

Spurs added genuine quality to their squad. They will finish well ahead of Liverpool. Liverpool have had a good start to the season and have some nice fixtures coming up but they have poor depth in their squad really

cathalio11

Ed Winchester wrote: »

I think Liverpools problem is Rodgers. I genuinely think he's a chancer. Swansea went well but that was a lot due to Martinez IMO. He did no better than the awful Dalglish regime.
I think they'll slip down soon. Can't see them being in the top 4.

I'd have to disagree. Rodgers, in my opinion, is doing miles better than any other 'Pool manager in recent years.

Mickeroo

cson wrote: »

Following on from the above; we're placing a lot of trust in Gnabry and Miyaichi to cover the flanks so fingers crossed one of them turns good and has a Raheem Sterling type breakthrough.

Ryo was great at Bolton just a shame injury messed up his spell at Wigan.

Still at least he has experience of playing in the PL, I hope he will be a handy squad player at least. He looked decent in his cameo against Fenerbache. Would like to see both him and Gnabry starting against West Brom in the Capitol One.

cson

gandalf wrote: »

Definitely don't believe they will buckle especially with the players they have brought in. I believe that the wheels could come off for united this year. If there is any truth in the Stars story about RvP then two of their main strikers are unhappy with the manager and or club. That could be extremely toxic to Manu's morale, couple this with their lack of creativity from midfield and it could turn out to be a long and painful season for them.

Liverpool will be a lot closer this year too I feel. That being said; how well they do depends an awful lot on Coutinho finding a good vein of form and Gerrard staying fit.

United are an interesting one; I'll be intrigued by how Moyes plays Fellaini. If they play Fellaini beside Carrick with Kagawa in the CAM role then they've a midfield that's as good as any out there. Can't for the life of me understand what's going on with Kagawa there, the lack of game time for him is criminal. Ferdinand is finished at the highest level too and will cost them points this season.

Gringo180 wrote: »

I feel that Arteta and Ramsey are a bit too similar so that's why I would give Wilshere the nod ahead of Ramsey, the way Jack ghosts past players is nothing short of exceptional, reminds me a bit of Hleb in the way he drops his shoulder and can change direction in an instant leaving the player in his wake. Its why I like when he drops deep as he can start a counter attacking move in an instant.

The defensive solidity we get having Ramsey and Arteta together is why I'd pair them in a fully fit first XI. Maybe against weaker teams Wilshere would be the better choice.

Awesomeness

How long is the OX out for?

Agueroooo

Just had a thought...I wonder if RVP looks over now at Arsenals creative players added since his departure (Cazorla, Ozil etc) and cant help but think what it would be like playing in front of that quality.

*cough Cleverly**cough

cson

slingerz wrote: »

Madness.

Spurs added genuine quality to their squad. They will finish well ahead of Liverpool. Liverpool have had a good start to the season and have some nice fixtures coming up but they have poor depth in their squad really

Liverpool have no EL to contend with so depth wise they'll be fine.

Spurs have an abundance of attacking midfielders but no genuine pace if AVB freezes out Lennon and Defoe. They'll be difficult to break down with Paulinho, Capoue and Dembele in front of a good pairing in Vertonghen and Dawson but I can see them struggling up the other end of the pitch based on their recent games. AVB has no Hulk or Rodriguez to supply his Falcao (Soldado) this time around. Their full backs are the weakest of any of the teams around them too.

Edit: I digress; forgot they signed Lamela. They'll be there or thereabouts so. :pac:

Mickeroo

Awesomeness wrote: »

How long is the OX out for?

3 months Squad will look much deeper when himself and Podolski are back though. Hopefull there'll be no big injury issues between now and christmas.

Decent spiel on arselbog news about how Ozil could fit in and what options he gives us: http://news.arseblog.com/2013/09/outstanding-ozil-offers-options/

Alfred Borden

Just thought I would compare us to Liverpool, open to corrections!
Mignolet > Szczesny
Sagna > Johnson
Kos > Toure
Agger > Per
Gibbs > Enrique
Arteta > Lucas
Gerrard > Wilshere
Ozil > Coutinho
Cazorla > Sturridge
Walcott > Moses
Suarez > Giroud

4 for them, 7 for us.

Second teams
Vivano > Jones
Jenkinson > Kelly
TV5 > Skrtel
Sakho > ?
Monreal > Cissohko
Flamini > ?
Ramsey > Henderson
Rosicky > Allen
Ox > Sterling
Podolski > Alberto
Aspas > Nicky B

9 for us, and two for them.
We have a stronger first 11, and a much stronger squad especially in midfield and up top. Open to any corrections.

greendom

Awesomeness wrote: »

How long is the OX out for?

late October I think ?