Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14

.jacksparrow.

Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote: »

Wenger has said himself that he would have been happy to settle for a 1-1 and was annoyed at the players pushing on like they did.

Also a bit soon people to be calling for Jenkinson to be shipped out. Although obviously he can't be relied on at this stage which is why Sagna needs to be signed up for a couple more years.

Well could he not communicate this to them or tell them before the match?

Fuzzy_Dunlop

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Well could he not communicate this to them or tell them before the match?

Well, telling them to play for a draw before the game wouldn't be the best idea. But he could have tried to communicate it to them during the course of the game alright when he saw how it was panning out. I'm sure the players get caught up in it a bit when they feel they can win a game (as they could well have).

wandatowell

Disappointed we lost to that shower of bandits but overall I couldn't really care less.

It just means Bendtner will have less games this season which from last nights display wouldn't be a bad thing.

Liverpool at the weekend

GavRedKing

cson wrote: »

Which is still probably £650m than we've spent in the corresponding period. Net spend there's probably £850m between the teams over the year. So £1bn is not a million miles away from the true figure.

Thats the kind of guess work finances that can bring down a country.

You said a billion euro team which isnt even remotely true, even when he left in 2007 it was about half that. :pac:

Oranage2

Anyone wanna guess what type of reaction toure will get?

keano_afc

Oranage2 wrote: »

Anyone wanna guess what type of reaction toure will get?

Cant see it being nasty. He's too nice a guy.

imtdub

GavRedKing wrote: »

Thats the kind of guess work finances that can bring down a country.

You said a billion euro team which isnt even remotely true, even when he left in 2007 it was about half that. :pac:

Well he wasn't that off the mark, Chelsea have spent $1.140 billion. = € 860 m = £ 713 M since Abramovich took-over.

and it doesn't even include the recent buys of Willian, Eto, KDB, Van ginkel or what ever his name is, which will be another $ 80= €60=£50...


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2352273/Chelsea-signings-Roman-Abramovich--verdicts-them.html

But I don't think we should be using that as excuse for last night's defeat, I thought we were once again very poor in the last 3rd. Why do our full backs/wingers can't put in decent crosses, how hard is it to just look up ffs if anybody is in the box or not. Won't even talk about that Idiot Bendtner.

I only watched the 1st half and I thought all of Santi's set-piece deliveries were very poor - and unsurprisingly one of them led to panic defending and handing the advantage to opposition once again. Jenkinson doesn't fill me with confidence, especially if he is the last man defending - Swansea anyone.

FearDark

I wouldn't expect any animosity towards toure tbh.

GavRedKing

imtdub wrote: »

Well he wasn't that off the mark, Chelsea have spent $1.140 billion. = € 860 m = £ 713 M since Abramovich took-over.

and it doesn't even include the recent buys of Willian, Eto, KDB, Van ginkel or what ever his name is, which will be another $ 80= €60=£50...


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2352273/Chelsea-signings-Roman-Abramovich--verdicts-them.html

So only about 240Million Pound Sterling off the mark? Fair enough. :pac:

imtdub

GavRedKing wrote: »

So only about 240Million Pound Sterling off the mark? Fair enough. :pac:

$1.2 Billion which is USD 200 Million more

GavRedKing

imtdub wrote: »

$1.2 Billion which is USD 200 Million more

But an English club doesnt buy or sell in US Dollars.

bad2dabone

why are we arguing about how much money it cost chelsea to buy success?

either way it's a massive difference in spending, and it's resulted in chelsea having a superior squad and of course a superior trophy cabinet in the last decade.

In all likelyhood they'll continue to be more successful as that gangster bankrolls them. It's just the way it is.

GavRedKing

bad2dabone wrote: »

why are we arguing about how much money it cost chelsea to buy success?

either way it's a massive difference in spending, and it's resulted in chelsea having a superior squad and of course a superior trophy cabinet in the last decade.

In all likelyhood they'll continue to be more successful as that gangster bankrolls them. It's just the way it is.

If ye spent any of yere money ye wouldnt be gathering dust in yere trophy cabinet for the past few seasons.

Ozil is a start but its about 5 years to late when you're trying yo play catch up to Chelsea, City and Utd in terms of domestic and European success.

Hell even Spurs went and spent money on the very likely Bale move that eventually happened.

Its not like Arsenal are poor or lacking the funds, a London club with Arsenals backing should be spending and attracting better calibre of players to help compete and build a stronger squad.

imtdub

GavRedKing wrote: »

But an English club doesnt buy or sell in US Dollars.

OK will give you that. But as they play in Europe and buy from Europe, where Euro is denominated currency, it is still € 950 Million - which isn't far off from a Billion I guess

bad2dabone

I don't disagree Gav. There's no arguing though that Chelsea have superior resources financially, and crucially the willingness to employ those resources. And that's why they've been a more successful team in recent years.

slingerz

GavRedKing wrote: »

If ye spent any of yere money ye wouldnt be gathering dust in yere trophy cabinet for the past few seasons.

Ozil is a start but its about 5 years to late when you're trying yo play catch up to Chelsea, City and Utd in terms of domestic and European success.

Hell even Spurs went and spent money on the very likely Bale move that eventually happened.

Its not like Arsenal are poor or lacking the funds, a London club with Arsenals backing should be spending and attracting better calibre of players to help compete and build a stronger squad.

Agreed. Arsenal cant complain about other clubs spending when they have had the funds just Wenger chose to not spend it and/or both some awful players on the cheap instead.

Pepe LeFrits

GavRedKing wrote: »

So only about 240Million Pound Sterling off the mark? Fair enough. :pac:

He said a billion euro, not a billion sterling.

imtdub

bad2dabone wrote: »

why are we arguing about how much money it cost chelsea to buy success?

either way it's a massive difference in spending, and it's resulted in chelsea having a superior squad and of course a superior trophy cabinet in the last decade.

In all likelyhood they'll continue to be more successful as that gangster bankrolls them. It's just the way it is.

I was only quoting the amounts, I wouldn't use that as an excuse for poor performance. Even though we've haven't bought big, but we've been paying these d*ck heads like Bendtner huge wages that's why we can't get rid of them .

wandatowell

GavRedKing wrote: »

If ye spent any of yere money ye wouldnt be gathering dust in yere trophy cabinet for the past few seasons.

Ozil is a start but its about 5 years to late when you're trying yo play catch up to Chelsea in terms of European success.

We did spend our money, on our stadium. To the detriment of our first team but that will come around again.


And I think we might have the slight edge on ye domestically

Skylinehead

wandatowell wrote: »

And I think we might have the slight edge on ye domestically

Just a bit

Pepe LeFrits

... anyway, forget about transfer spends and whatever, the true benefit financial bestowed on Chelsea by Abramovich is the £630m losses they've accrued, and it's a bit rich to hear Chelsea fans telling Arsenal what they're doing wrong financially.

bad2dabone

well that's a factor, a club like Arsenal or Liverpool, or even utd, if we spend 20-30m on a player its a big deal and a really big deal if the player doesn't work out. For Chelsea and City they can afford to make more errors in the transfer market and buy more players who might or might not work out - and lend them out. Chelsea could even field a decent 11 of premier league standard players who are out on loan.
Being able to spend their resources in such a fashion elevates City and Chelsea above the other teams, in a similar way to how Arsenal, Utd, Spurs and Liverpool have more resources than teams in the league.

jester77

Özil gave his jersey to Mourinho last night after the game.

GavRedKing

GavRedKing wrote: »

If ye spent any of yere money ye wouldnt be gathering dust in yere trophy cabinet for the past few seasons.

Ozil is a start but its about 5 years to late when you're trying yo play catch up to Chelsea, City and Utd in terms of domestic and European success.

Hell even Spurs went and spent money on the very likely Bale move that eventually happened.

Its not like Arsenal are poor or lacking the funds, a London club with Arsenals backing should be spending and attracting better calibre of players to help compete and build a stronger squad.

I wouldnt call Chelsea anything extraordinary considering the money spent.

It should be the expectation at the club but Wenger won as much titles spending a fraction of what Chelsea did.

I still support the right London club anyway thankfully. If you need the few billion to elevate yourselves from Zenith Data Cup chasers to European contenders then where is the fun in supporting a club like that.;)

slingerz

slingerz wrote: »

Agreed. Arsenal cant complain about other clubs spending when they have had the funds just Wenger chose to not spend it and/or both some awful players on the cheap instead.

Thats all Arsenal could afford. We were paying for a stadium or hadnt you noticed. I suppose when you live in an Abramovich funded bubble these things like responsible financial management at other clubs might get lost amongst all the madness

gosplan

Seriously, just let Chelsea do their thing and we'll do ours.

The stat that we've never beaten Jose's Chelsea is interesting though.

I do believe they're the worst team for Wenger's tactics. Defensively excellent, well organised and not probe to error. All that said there's a few managers that haven't done to well against him. Rafa I'm guessing did best but the idea that we can just alter our tactics to his for a match isn't entirely realistic. It's not so easy to change your playing philosophy. In a way, that's what cost Rafa's Liverpool the title - they were set up to be dogged, not lose and nick wins. A bit more Arsenal might have seen fewer draws and a PL title.

Overall I think for Wenger's way to succeed against Jose, you need an Henry, Messi or Ronaldo.

gosplan

gosplan wrote: »

Seriously, just let Chelsea do their thing and we'll do ours.

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No problem with that. Just the lazy useless fúckwits in the media who seem to think we should follow their lead.

Oranage2

Oranage2 wrote: »

Anyone wanna guess what type of reaction toure will get?

He always got a decent one when he used come back to the Emirates when he played for City. Seems overall to be a decent guy

extra gravy

Oranage2 wrote: »

Anyone wanna guess what type of reaction toure will get?

I'd be very disappointed if an Invincible was given anything other than respect on a return visit. He did enough for us to earn it.

GavRedKing

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

He said a billion euro, not a billion sterling.

Hi soriginal point was Jose had a Billion Euro/USD/Stg team back between 04-07 which was vastly wide of the mark.

wandatowell wrote: »

We did spend our money, on our stadium. To the detriment of our first team but that will come around again.

And I think we might have the slight edge on ye domestically

In yere history? Yes, ye've won what, 13/14 league titles.

Since yere last league title in 03-04 Arsenal have only finsihed above Chelsea once but winning the UCL and FA cup that year kind of made up for a terrible league campaign.

Deleted User wrote: »

I wouldnt call Chelsea anything extraordinary considering the money spent.

It should be the expectation at the club but Wenger won as much titles spending a fraction of what Chelsea did.

I still support the right London club anyway thankfully. If you need the few billion to elevate yourselves from Zenith Data Cup chasers to European contenders then where is the fun in supporting a club like that.;)

The fun? Its great fun, I've only being a Chelsea fan since about 91/92 given my age, so I dont remember the really, really dark days but since then its being a constant upward spiral in the last decade since Romans arrival.

I'm naive enough to sit here and argue if it wasnt for Roman we'd be in Spurs position and fighting for European places in the last couple of years but as I've no influence or say over how the club is run or operating I'll happily lap up the success and failures that Roman has brought to us.

Hyzepher

jester77 wrote: »

Özil gave his jersey to Mourinho last night after the game.

The way I saw it he asked Özil for it.

bad2dabone

I'm just glad Mou didn't poke Bouldy in the eye

GavRedKing

bad2dabone wrote: »

I'm just glad Mou didn't poke Bouldy in the eye

That wouldnt have ended well at all.

I think hes smarter to pick his battles and Bould woudl right up there with last guy to start any arguments with :pac:

cson

A Chelsea fan lecturing on Finances.

Lol. :pac:

GavRedKing

cson wrote: »

A Chelsea fan lecturing on Finances.

Lol. :pac:

Not so much a lecture, more so I'd rather see correct figures being used instead of ones plucked from nowhere and far off the true figure at the time.

Its about as useful as me saying " Wenger should have easily defended his invincibles title, they were the best squad in the league "

Or a belter, " Arsenal have loads of money, why dont they spend it? Are the board & Wenger happy with 3rd/4th? "

We both know its not that simple, nor is it that black or white.

Marty McFly

Right lads can we get off the Chelsea topic because lets be honest who really gives a flying fcuk about last nights result, it's the Carling Cup I expected Chelsea to win so picking holes in our performance and in players like Bendtner who we already knew wasn't good enough is pointless.

Let just look forward to the much more important task of playing Liverpool, Dortmund and United the match last night was a nothing match.

bishopmuzorewa

Marty McFly wrote: »

lets be honest who really gives a flying fcuk about last nights result

With all due respect Arsenal can't be that picky imo having not won a trophy for 9 years. If I was wenger i'd have gone all out to win last night.

Drexel

bishopmuzorewa wrote: »

With all due respect Arsenal can't be that picky imo having not won a trophy for 9 years. If I was wenger i'd have gone all out to win last night.

No interest in the carling cup. For me even the FA cup isnt high on my list. The league and Champions league is where its at. I wouldnt have given up one season of CL football for a carling cup win the last nine years.

bad2dabone

bishopmuzorewa wrote: »

With all due respect Arsenal can't be that picky imo having not won a trophy for 9 years. If I was wenger i'd have gone all out to win last night.

with 2 difficult league games (united and southampton) and a difficult CL tie (away to dortmund) coming up he was right to play a weakened team.

gnfnrhead

For me, this is our priority order:

1. League
2. Champions League
3. Qualify for the Champions League
4. Finish above spurs
5. At least qualify for the Europa League
6. FA Cup
7. League Cup

Fuzzy_Dunlop

I wouldn't turn my nose up at an FA cup tbh. The League cup I just see as a bit of craic with no real importance.

gosplan

Nobody gives a sh1t about the FA cup or the Carling cup.

If Arsenal took one of those, the narrative would just change to 'haven't won a major trophy in a decade'.

The league and CL are the only things that will get the retarded section of the media off Wenger's back. We won't win either of those this year though but at least we're making huge progress compared to last year.

Kirby

A large section of your own fans were quite upset though back when Wenger said finishing 4th was as good as a trophy. Now, I agree with him, but the amount of huge banners saying "4th is not a trophy" following that told it's own story.

The FA cup is very winnable. Get a good draw and your laughing. A good squad should be put out when the proper rounds start. If an average team like Wigan can win it, it shouldn't be too difficult for a talented squad like Arsenal.

premierstone

GavRedKing wrote: »

If ye spent any of yere money ye wouldnt be gathering dust in yere trophy cabinet for the past few seasons.

Its not like Arsenal are poor or lacking the funds, a London club with Arsenals backing should be spending and attracting better calibre of players to help compete and build a stronger squad.

GavRedKing wrote: »

Or a belter, " Arsenal have loads of money, why dont they spend it? Are the board & Wenger happy with 3rd/4th? "

We both know its not that simple, nor is it that black or white.

Bit of a contradiction here in your two statements Gav?

Pudders

The fans who go week in week out want a trophy but not a mickey mouse cup. The FA cup would definitely be viewed as ahead of qualifying for the Europa or in all honesty finishing above spurs.

There were actually a small minority giving Wenger stick last night for putting out a weakened team. I was more annoyed with him risking Giroud when at 2-0 the game was dead.

There was a large majority giving bendtner stick last night. He was shocking but not as bad as Ryo.

However, no one cares about the league cup. Tickets were £20 for adults and £10 for kids and despite Chelsea having 9k fans, I'd say there was still at least 10k empty seats. Come the league and tickets will by £80/90 and it will be a sell out.

GavRedKing

GavRedKing wrote: »

That wouldnt have ended well at all.

I think hes smarter to pick his battles and Bould woudl right up there with last guy to start any arguments with :pac:

Perry Groves gave an anecdote in his book of how he accidentally commented to Bould after a game about a blonde girl that came onto the team bus whether 'she'd like a bit of ginge'.

It was Boulds sister He admitted he was lucky to live to tell the tale

tayto lover

Hyzepher wrote: »

although would be happier with a win but not too bothered

I think we have to be realistic that we don't have the squad to compete in all competitions. Out of this may give us a benefit later on.

focus should be on a win at the weekend - our starting 11 is better, we just need to concentrate and prepare properly

I am always on about starting well and focusing properly.
Many of the games we lose seem to stem from a bad start.
Also our crossing has not improved in the last few years. I often wonder do the players practice crosses and corners in training at all. Last night they didn't even try to cross the ball but that could have been the players lack of faith in B52.

Maire2009

I think the FA Cup is still important and a valued cup - we certainly should put out our strongest side to go and try and win it. (Plus it guarantees Europa League :P )

Gringo180

Maire2009 wrote: »

I think the FA Cup is still important and a valued cup - we certainly should put out our strongest side to go and try and win it. (Plus it guarantees Europa League :P )

It should guarantee a Champions League spot in my opinion and bring the value back to a great competition. I loved F.A cup final day on the bbc years ago when they would start there coverage about 2 hours before kick off and give great insight to the history of the competition. Would love us to win it this year, I would take that over 4th place any day.

farna_boy

Gringo180 wrote: »

It should guarantee a Champions League spot in my opinion and bring the value back to a great competition. I loved F.A cup final day on the bbc years ago when they would start there coverage about 2 hours before kick off and give great insight to the history of the competition. Would love us to win it this year, I would take that over 4th place any day.

No ****ing way.