All-Ireland Football Final Maigh Eo vs Baile Átha Cliath

keeponhurling

aidan24326 wrote: »

Not necessarily. I mean in all honesty Mayo had little or no chance of working a goal from that position such was the wall of Dublin players in front of them.

It was worth taking a chance that the ref might let it run on past the 4 mins if Mayo had won possession from the kickout. It's a common misconception that the number of minutes injury time is a limit not to be surpassed. It isn't.

It's a minimum and the ref can add to it at his discretion to allow for subsitutions, time wasting etc. Unfortunately refs often don't and that makes it easy for teams to run down the clock.

The whole issue of timekeeping needs to be looked at. (but I'm not suggesting that it had any great bearing on today's result. The better team won on the day and were probably worth a bit more than the 1 point margin).

Yes, I think if Mayo had won the kick out they'd have had one last chance to work a point, similar to Clare hurlers last time.
Especially given the time wasted in the 4 mins injury time by cycnical tactical fouling, though O'Connor took his time with the last free too.
Cluxton took his time with the kick-out too.

I though McQuillan had an OK game though. It's a hard job being a referee, and I thought that while not getting everything right, he did reasonably well.

Timekeeping probably does need to be looked at though, it's a bit of a grey area these days.
Should time be added for excessive fouling? How long is reasonable to take a free kick, sideline, goal kick etc.? Should the ref have to tell O'Connor in that situation how long is left as it affects his decision?

intellectual dosser

When a team drops three shots short into the keepers hands in the first half of an All Ireland final you'd normally be thinking that they couldn't go on to win Sam, but Mayo just didnt do enough, and as painful as it is for Mayo players and supporters - they didn't do themselves justice yesterday IMO. It was a strange game.

As for the referee, there was two scorable frees he didn't give Mayo in the second half. Obviously they would have made the world of difference but apart from that I thought he did ok.

Congratulations Dublin, they were better going forward getting far better returns when they crossed the 45. As a neutral I think I wanted a draw so that they could do it all again!

Syferus

Dublin

Dublin criticising 'Dublin Joe'? Steady on.

Mayo are far more disciplined in tackling and far more skilled as a defence and Dublin committed many cheap, cynical fouls (as any team would) in the final ten minutes. The foul count was about right.

Slattsy

Draw

Hitchens wrote: »

Jim Gavin quoted as saying that Dublin were playing 16 men! Not happy with the referee at all. :eek:

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/we-were-playing-the-ref-as-well-as-mayo-jim-gavin-29598711.html

Ha ha lovely.
Love stats like this. I knew McQuillan was bad but I didn't think the count was so high against us. Makes the win even better.

But of course the bitter so and so's will still say he favoured Dublin, that's the funny thing. Blinded by bitterness.

Get a chip, and put it on your other shoulder, that'll balance you out lads.

Felt great getting up for work this morning, a wish every Monday was like this.

Ordinary man

Gavin also said that it was a trend all season. So either every ref is biased against them or they are a dirty team

Muff Richardson

Draw

intellectual dosser wrote: »

As for the referee, there was two scorable frees he didn't give Mayo in the second half. Obviously they would have made the world of difference but apart from that I thought he did ok.

32 Mayo frees awarded to Dublins 12. ye got more than your money's worth of whatever chunky envelope that ref got. It was the most bias performance of a ref i have ever seen or will be likely to see. Jim Gavin has a very sportsmanlike approach to every game he played for dublin and team he presides over, he is a very humble, soft spoken and a true gent, he would be the last person to criticise a referee especially after the win but even he is saying that Dublin were playing 16 men out there yesterday.

http://http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/we-were-playing-the-ref-as-well-as-mayo-jim-gavin-29598711.html

listermint

Draw

Ordinary man wrote: »

Gavin also said that it was a trend all season. So either every ref is biased against them or they are a dirty team

Any supporter will tell you that Dublin have not been a dirty team all season.

In fact they are the most enjoyable team to watch.

robbiezero

"At the end, that was just Dublin players getting frustrated. ....blah values blah ....."

Bull**** from Jim Gavin. It was cynical fouling to close the game out.

intellectual dosser

Muff Richardson wrote: »

32 Mayo frees awarded to Dublins 12. ye got more than your money's worth of whatever chunky envelope that ref got. It was the most bias performance of a ref i have ever seen or will be likely to see. Jim Gavin has a very sportsmanlike approach to every game he played for dublin and team he presides over, he is a very humble, soft spoken and a true gent, he would be the last person to criticise a referee especially after the win but even he is saying that Dublin were playing 16 men out there yesterday.

http://http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/we-were-playing-the-ref-as-well-as-mayo-jim-gavin-29598711.html

Gavin said he failed to understand how his team could have a free count of 32-12 against them and insisted that it had been a common trend all season.He defended the cynicism of some of his players as they resorted to dragging down opponents to kill Mayo momentum

Common trends indeed, Gavin needs to look in house for the reasons his team concedes so many frees. I'm a neutral, not a Mayo supporter and I think Dublin were blessed not to concede more yesterday, maybe some other neutrals can chip in here.

wirelessdude01

Frustrated my ar$e. They just did what any team does when it comes to crunch time. If any Dublin player had been through on goals I would have expected a Mayo man to drag him down as well and just concede the point from the free. The black card will hopefully stop that kinda cynical fouling from next year. Overall the better team won but Jim Gavin really shouldn't be trying to say the ref was against Dublin when it was obvious that his players were at times being very cynical. Have to say though that this mightn't have been driven by the management but more that the players themselves made the decision to do what was necessary.

copacetic

Draw

keeponhurling wrote: »

Yes, I think if Mayo had won the kick out they'd have had one last chance to work a point, similar to Clare hurlers last time.
Especially given the time wasted in the 4 mins injury time by cycnical tactical fouling, though O'Connor took his time with the last free too.
Cluxton took his time with the kick-out too.

I though McQuillan had an OK game though. It's a hard job being a referee, and I thought that while not getting everything right, he did reasonably well.

Timekeeping probably does need to be looked at though, it's a bit of a grey area these days.
Should time be added for excessive fouling? How long is reasonable to take a free kick, sideline, goal kick etc.? Should the ref have to tell O'Connor in that situation how long is left as it affects his decision?

The kick out was going straight into Dublins hands as they nearly all were. Collected by Dublin and launched in to stand as whistle went.

I thought it was very unlucky for Mayo, couldn't understand why they took point unless ref said there was time left.

Then seeing it on TV, he clearly says there is 30s left. Not that you have 30s left after you knock it over. O'Connor then takes 40s to kick it over.

Cluxton then actually took kick out pretty quickly to pick out Flynn, which he did and time is up, a minute after mcQuillan told Mayo there was 30s left.

Mayo got a lot of handy scoreable frees throughout the game from McQuillan, they can have no complaints overall. Dublin only got 4 in score able positions despite plenty of fouling. Along with numerous players taken out off the ball, incredible to see the ref made quickly aware of players bleeding so he can get them off the pitch, but not being made aware or attempting to find out what happened to them.

Shocking decision to book O'Carrroll and given an easy free in for a textbook shoulder to shoulder collision, one of many poor decisions. Stunned anyone in Mayo can complain about the ref.

Overall it was a disappointing performance from both teams. Dublin didn't perform well, but we're much stronger after first 20 minutes. Unfortunately kept Mayo in it by poor finishing yet again, 3 one on ones with keeper, 3 points dropped into keepers hands and two kickable frees missed. We're very lucky that Mayo weren't at the races at all. Having to carry O'Gara and O'Carroll for last 15 mins was nearly our undoing. Fair play to O'Gara, great performance, caused Mayo to have to change their back line and got a great brave touch on for Bastick to break through to create goal (and got taken out and injured for rest of game in doing so)

The midfield, half back runns and kickouts totally dominated Mayos midfield and made them look ordinary with their much better mobility once ball was in hand.

Slightly less lustre to the win as we had to hang in rather than push to a bigger win, but with 2 walking wounded and the ref whistle happy the ground just couldn't be made up. Some cynical tackles but people seem to be forgetting that in last 9 minutes every time Dublin won the ball back whoever had it was taken out by a Mayo player straight away. Where were the yellow cards then? In fact McQuillan was rushing Dublin to take the frees even with players injured.

joe swanson

Gavin is a disgrace to give out about the ref. His team should have had a couple of reds thrown in for good measure for their cynicism in the match.

And people saying its part of the match - it shouldnt be and is not meant to be. The foul count just showed what sort of players dublin have.

As a neutral, i was deeply disapointed by the antics of dublin yesterday.

And also, aswell as losing gracefully, there is also a way to win gracefully which dublin dont seem to grasp. This particular all irsland win will be forever tainted as a result of dublin behaviour during and post match.

Ive also heard some horror stories regarding the dublin fans yesterday which i really hope are not true.

Slattsy

Draw

Dublin were cynical for last 7 or so minutes yesterday. Too ****ing right in AI final to close a game out.

Mayo were cynical for the last 20 mins in the semi final last year, as i said yesterday, payback is a bitch.

When McQuillan was named as ref, the Mayo lads lost the plot in their thread. The funny thing is, he couldnt have helped them anymore lol

Slattsy

Draw

joe swanson wrote: »

Gavin is a disgrace to give out about the ref. His team should have had a couple of reds thrown in for good measure for their cynicism in the match.

And people saying its part of the match - it shouldnt be and is not meant to be. The foul count just showed what sort of players dublin have.

As a neutral, i was deeply disapointed by the antics of dublin yesterday.

And also, aswell as losing gracefully, there is also a way to win gracefully which dublin dont seem to grasp. This particular all irsland win will be forever tainted as a result of dublin behaviour during and post match.

Ive also heard some horror stories regarding the dublin fans yesterday which i really hope are not true.

lol

sargito

LeoB wrote: »

Bitter aint the word for this post. This was not a dirty game and your bitterness is clouding your view of the intensity of how Gaelic football is played. Mayo had that intensity for a lot of first half but could not sustain it. They looked tired coming up to half time and when your out on your feet mistake creep in. Look at what Dublin missed. Only for Hennelly who made 3 excellent saves. As for Dublin fans when the national league comes around only 1 team can fill croker and it aint Mayo, or Kerry or Cork its Dublin. How many of the people there today will be in McHale Park come a cold Sunday for FBD league or NFL game?

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Because that's what matters in GAA Sure the rest of us should go home so. Most of us have played the game so we ain't eejits, so we don't have to rely on JOe Brolly to tell us when we should be annoyed at underhanded play. look we all know that Dublin lowered the standard of their game to win yesterday. If you can't figure that out then you mustn't have been paying attention in the earlier games. It certainly wasn't a showcase for irish sport. But footballers will push the boundaries and mcquillan lost control early on. SO you keep counting the numbers at games and wait for the pundits to fill in the gaps

Dubliner28

Draw

aidan24326 wrote: »

Not necessarily. I mean in all honesty Mayo had little or no chance of working a goal from that position such was the wall of Dublin players in front of them.

It was worth taking a chance that the ref might let it run on past the 4 mins if Mayo had won possession from the kickout. It's a common misconception that the number of minutes injury time is a limit not to be surpassed. It isn't.

It's a minimum and the ref can add to it at his discretion to allow for subsitutions, time wasting etc. Unfortunately refs often don't and that makes it easy for teams to run down the clock.

The whole issue of timekeeping needs to be looked at. (but I'm not suggesting that it had any great bearing on today's result. The better team won on the day and were probably worth a bit more than the 1 point margin).

True, very true. What happens doh when O Connor takes 40-45 seconds to take the 2 frees at the end using up nearly 2 of the 4 minutes allotted. Cleary new that his team needed scores and the 1st one in particular as a tap over in front of the posts. You cant say when Cluxton takes a free or a 45 he's wasting time. He's our designated free taker. Agree that it needs to be looked at but if some Mayo lads are blaming the ref the should look at there forwards inability to score. Wides in the 1st half cost them an All-Ireland. Game should have been over at half-time.

elefant

Dublin

Slattsy wrote: »

Ha ha lovely.
Love stats like this. I knew McQuillan was bad but I didn't think the count was so high against us. Makes the win even better.

But of course the bitter so and so's will still say he favoured Dublin, that's the funny thing. Blinded by bitterness.

Get a chip, and put it on your other shoulder, that'll balance you out lads.

Felt great getting up for work this morning, a wish every Monday was like this.

From reading this thread, if anyone has a chip on their shoulder it's you.
The foul count was higher because Dublin fouled more, quite simply. After about 15 minutes or so a stat came up on screen that Mayo had yet to concede a free, and there was nothing contentious about that because their tackling had been so good. Couple that free-less period with Dublin's constant fouling for the last 10 minutes and it's easy to see why the foul count was so lop-sided.

The refereeing was pretty even in my opinion. It's easy to be a gracious winner; Jim Gavin has failed in that.

Slattsy

Draw

elefant wrote: »

From reading this thread, if anyone has a chip on their shoulder it's you.
The foul count was higher because Dublin fouled more, quite simply. After about 15 minutes or so a stat came up on screen that Mayo had yet to concede a free, and there was nothing contentious about that because their tackling had been so good. Couple that free-less period with Dublin's constant fouling for the last 10 minutes and it's easy to see why the foul count was so lop-sided.

The refereeing was pretty even in my opinion. It's easy to be a gracious winner; Jim Gavin has failed in that.

Ah some of the free's McQuillan handed out were never free's. Not every one of them of course, but 50% of them were never free's.

I said in this thread in the run up to the game that McQ can be very whistle happy and that it could be a stop start game if he doesnt let the game flow. So it turned out.

keep going

Does anyone else think mayo gave up in the last 10 minutes of play and they never sensed the opportunity with dublin effectively down to 13 men.reading james horan body language he did too , eg if kerry or tyrone were in the same place it would be alot different.

Ceist_Beag

Overall a very disappointing final. Dublin were deserved winners and I don't think Mayo can blame the ref (although the ref was pretty poor and shouldn't get another final imho). But the game was poor - the first half quality was awful and the second half was very niggly, tetchy and negative. Gavin has a neck accusing the ref of being bias - the Dublin tackling, particularly in the second half was awful. There is a skill in tackling and the Mayo backs showed that to great effect, however their forwards let them down badly yesterday.
Fair play to Dublin, they are worthy champions this year but hopefully we will have a better championship as a whole next year as this year overall has been disappointing.

keeponhurling

In some cases McQuillen blew for frees when he could have played advantrage, hence making the free count a little higher.
e.g. Moran & Freeman both scored points which were brought back for a free-in

FixdePitchmark

Was at match, but was a bit of a let down.

For me it showed how important a winning mentality is. Dublin winning the AI in 2011 is a major wall they had to overcome. Amazing the change of mentality in squad , fans, mgmt.

Your heart would go out to Mayo, (as a Dub). The level of support from what is a small county population wise, not to mention distance, is a total credit to them, taking the hill killed the Dublin crowd, so the fans couldnt have done more.

So with minors and a new set up, Mayo will be back and hopefully get the win they deserve.

Great day out with people coming home from all over thd world, I'm not from a GAA background , amazing achievement the whole day.

The ticketing system seems unfair as an outsider, I say that as someone who benefitted.

The atmosphere was fairly muted after around fairview, pubs full etc. , but there is nothing like the first win in a long time in 2011, again back to the winning mentality , sound like bloody trap there, lol.

Slattsy

Draw

When the two best teams in the country meet, with two very tactical astute managers, i dont think it was every going to be a classic.
The homework was done from both teams, and they basically cancelled each other out.
Then take into account nerves, the heat.

We'd all have loved another Dublin-Kerry but it was never going to happen.
Mayo will be back, and dont be surprised if its another Dublin-Mayo final if they avoid each other in the draw.

Dubliner28

Draw

Slattsy wrote: »

Ah some of the free's McQuillan handed out were never free's. Not every one of them of course, but 50% of them were never free's.

I said in this thread in the run up to the game that McQ can be very whistle happy and that it could be a stop start game if he doesnt let the game flow. So it turned out.

Some of the frees were disgraceful for both teams. I remember the one midway through the 2nd half(cant remember the Dub player/think it was O'Carroll on Varley) clean honest hard hit, he gives a free in to Mayo. Even the Mayo lads around me were laughing at it and agreed he gave him a few "debatable" frees. But to win an Ireland again with 13 players is great lol...
COYBIB

Muff Richardson

Draw

joe swanson wrote: »

And also, aswell as losing gracefully, there is also a way to win gracefully which dublin dont seem to grasp. This particular all irsland win will be forever tainted as a result of dublin behaviour during and post match.

yeah shame on them for celebrating winning the all ireland, arms in the air and all that noisy cheering. what are you on about.

if you are going to talk about unsportsmanlike behaviour look no further than Andy Moran trying to taunt the Hill after his goal with his hands behind his ears...clearly rehearsed in front of the mirror at home only the idiot didn't bank on the Hill being half full of his own supporters so I'm not sure it really had the intended impact

STB

STB wrote: »

What percentage of tickets were returned by County Boards directly to GAA HQ would you think..........

Lot of sleeper Mayo fans in other counties perhaps

Hill 16 is Dublin only (except were concerted campaigns were organised otherwise).

Anyhow let the real game begin!

Why the hell should the Hill be Dublin ? Mayo had as much a right to take over the Hill yesterday as anybody else. Long may that continue. There is no one stand allocated to any one county.

I's suggest Dublin should have upper Davin in the future.:D

AdpRo

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I find it hilarious the amount of so called neutrals giving out about Dublin's cynical play in the last 10 minutes. I'd love to look back at last years semi-final thread and see if the neutrals were as disgusted with Mayo's identical tactics in the last 10 minutes of that match. I'd also love to see their reaction if it was there county that closed out an All Ireland final like that! All 33 teams that played in this years championship would have done the exact same thing to ensure they win the match but because it's Dublin it's suddenly a hanging offence.

I was a neutral on the Hill yesterday and though Dublin were by far the better team, how can you expect to win an All Ireland without scoring a point from play for 40 minutes. The ref clearly told O'Connor there was 30 secs left and he duly took that time to kick the free, he is one of the slowest free takers around.

AdpRo

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Deleted User wrote: »

Why the hell should the Hill be Dublin ? Mayo had as much a right to take over the Hill yesterday as anybody else. Long may that continue. There is no one stand allocated to any one county.

I's suggest Dublin should have upper Davin in the future.:D

Agree 100%. Crowds are not segregated like soccer thankfully and Mayo has as much right as anybody to be there, I was a neutral on the Hill and really enjoyed it yesterday, great craic between both sets of supporters.

robbiezero

Weetabix wrote: »

I find it hilarious the amount of so called neutrals giving out about Dublin's cynical play in the last 10 minutes. I'd love to look back at last years semi-final thread and see if the neutrals were as disgusted with Mayo's identical tactics in the last 10 minutes of that match. I'd also love to see their reaction if it was there county that closed out an All Ireland final like that! All 33 teams that played in this years championship would have done the exact same thing to ensure they win the match but because it's Dublin it's suddenly a hanging offence.

I was a neutral on the Hill yesterday and though Dublin were by far the better team, how can you expect to win an All Ireland without scoring a point from play for 40 minutes. The ref clearly told O'Connor there was 30 secs left and he duly took that time to kick the free, he is one of the slowest free takers around.

As a neutral I have no problem with how Dublin closed out the game. The rules of the game at the moment allow that to take place and it would be a foolish team that would not take advantage of them. Not nice viewing for the neutral, but it is all about winning.
But people are perfectly entitled to call bull**** on Jim Gavins comments that it was frustration with the ref rather than cynical play which his team would never indulge in because it is not in their "values".

Didn't think the ref had a great game, but he made poor decisions on both sides and he was not a factor in the result. The best team on the day were deserving winners. Mayo have only themselves to blame for being beaten.

c_man

I really didn't predict that final! Congrats to the Dubs, great achievement.

themandan6611

dublin forwards have had real difficulties getting frees this year, a 32-12 free count is unusual. How in gods name was the o'carroll tackle a free in ? mannion and brogan getting ridden all the time. bodies placed on the line yesterday, mcmahon, o'carroll, o'gara, cooper etc

ref was muck, gavin and his team were the dominate team all year, could be a few more AI's in this team.

Barlett

Dublin

One of the main things Mayo improved on this year was their tackling. Their ability to turnover the ball is one of the strengths of their game so Im not surprised they conceded so few frees. What constitutes a fair tackle seems to vary from referee to referee so that's why we're left in these situations where we all feel wronged by the man in black

Muff Richardson

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Weetabix wrote: »

Agree 100%. Crowds are not segregated like soccer thankfully and Mayo has as much right as anybody to be there, I was a neutral on the Hill and really enjoyed it yesterday, great craic between both sets of supporters.

its great to see when the Hill is packed with Dubs and it raises hairs on the back of your neck when there or watching and listening to it from afar, but it's not ours and I totally agree with what you say about any supporter having the right to be there.

I'm delighted to hear that there was great craic between both sets of supporters yesterday, this is the first mention of it that I have read here, this is what we are most proud of as GAA supporters and long may it continue...great to hear and thanks for mentioning.

stooge

As a neutral (my team was knocked out early) I thought the qaulity of the football and handpassing was fairly poor. There were way too many silly frees given, too many simple hand passes missed, lots of errant kicks and plenty of lads carrying a ball into a tackle only to lose the ball. also, this short passing game and mentality of trying to keep possession that has crept in over the past few years has IMO removed a lot of the excitement from the game. The tactic of getting 12/13 men within your own 45 to defend is another thing slowly killing the game.

Overall though, dublin probably deserved the win. They were able to charge through Mayo's midfield and half back line way too easily. The goals were very poor to give away but bernard brogan was clinical and will be an all star this year no doubt. Can't understand the choice of taking a point at the end. Surely a quick free and attempt aty a goal was the best choice.

One final thing, one poster mentioned that the Hill should be Dublin fans only. I find this the most ridiculous comment I've seen in a while. Croke park was paid for by all the counties and not one has a right to a particular part no matter how big or small in terms of size or population.

Dyr

joe swanson wrote: »

As a neutral

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk

Spring Onion

Dublin

Everybody says Dublin deserved it because they had better forwards but apart from Brogan, which of the starting Dublin forwards shone? I don't think any of the others got more than 1 point. Kilkenny had a lot of wides or short shots.
If the Mayo forwards had even one other on-form scoring forward I think they would have won.

Dots1982

Draw

I didn't think the referee was bad, it was a very physical fast game and a lot of off the ball stuff going on. It was not a game I would have liked to referee. The tackle is not clearly defined so criticising GAA refs for their intrepretation of the tackle is not essentially fair.

homerjay2005

Draw

Congratulations to the Dubs, fully deserving all ireland champions and the game panned out pretty much exactly as i expected. Mayo good start, Dubs come back and finish strong.

Ive always been a big critic of mcquillan, but i dont think he did Mayo any harm yesterday, they got alot of calls their way. The amount of time Cillian o Connor took taking the frees was insane, not saying it cost them, but it defo prevented them having another minute or two to get the equaliser.

one thing - was i the only one that though the Dublin function last night was a bit strange on the Sunday game? seemed to be alot more low key than other years and not alot happening there.

intellectual dosser

Spring Onion wrote: »

Everybody says Dublin deserved it because they had better forwards but apart from Brogan, which of the starting Dublin forwards shone? I don't think any of the others got more than 1 point. Kilkenny had a lot of wides or short shots.
If the Mayo forwards had even one other on-form scoring forward I think they would have won.

I think Paul Flynn is one of the best players in the country and IMO the biggest unsung hero in Gaelic Games, he put himself about yesterday and got involved, making crucial little touches here and there. He played in the long ball for Brogan's first. I thought he had a great game.

joe swanson

Muff Richardson wrote: »

yeah shame on them for celebrating winning the all ireland, arms in the air and all that noisy cheering. what are you on about.

if you are going to talk about unsportsmanlike behaviour look no further than Andy Moran trying to taunt the Hill after his goal with his hands behind his ears...clearly rehearsed in

front of the mirror at home only the idiot didn't bank on the Hill being half full of his own supporters so I'm not sure it really had the intended impact

Wat i mean is by their unsportsmanlike fouling, and gavins comments which attempt to justify the charade. Absolutely celebrate no problem. They did just about deserve to win overall but the manner of victory makes it a little hollow.

And as for other teams doing it absolutely. That behaviour shouldnt happen - end of.

But this thread is about yesterdays match.

flanzer

intellectual dosser wrote: »

I think Paul Flynn is one of the best players in the country and IMO the biggest unsung hero in Gaelic Games, he put himself about yesterday and got involved, making crucial little touches here and there. He played in the long ball for Brogan's first. I thought he had a great game.

Eoghan O'Gara likewise yesterday. I've been one of his biggest critics this season. While he may not play the most sexiest brand of football, he definitely pulled it out the bag yesterday and ruffled up a few the Mayo backs before getting injured

DoctaDee

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Just dug this out as one of my prophetic moments pre Kerry game...

DoctaDee wrote: »

With the risk of indulging in hyperbole ... Dublin/Kerry matches in the championship have given some of the greatest defining moments in Football. The 70's are now consigned to nostalgia .. but even back to the 2 games in Thurles in 2001 and "that" point. The 2007 & 09 S/F's for differing reasons rubberstamped the greatness of the Kerry team. The '07 SF was a match between the 2 best teams in the country and befitted a final.

2011 gave (and I'm biased) Dublin a well deserved AI from all the disappointments in the intervening 16 years and beating Kerry added it as a "proper" AI.

So 2013 I feel will be no different. In many cases over the years one of the SF's was in actual fact the game of the year - followed by a damp squib of an AI final. The result is unclear but there's every chance this game will leave an indelible mark for years

I personally felt yesterday was slightly anti-climatic, in what was probably the most brutally hard game of football I've seen in years. Dublin hung in there in the face of Mayo ascendancy 1st half and when their time came to dominate, Mayo couldn't live with them.

I was listening to Brian Carthy on RTE radio on the way home asking Liam O'Neill whether he thought there was another drawn match on the cards, he answered no .. that it was the type of match you knew that there would be an outcome from .. that one team knew how to win, the other didn't.

Huge credit to all the Mayo fans that were there yesterday it's a hard one to take - there's no platitudes that can be offered to lessen the hurt. Mayo are in the unfortunate position of having a great team but having found one team better than them in the last 2 years. Ta

harpsman

Draw

Well done Dublin.

1) Poor enough game and youd think the last 10 mins of pullin and draggin would dampen down some of the sanctiomonious crowing we ve heard about dublin all year but no-i heard paul curran,i think, on the radio goin on about how dublin are a breath of fresh air after last ten years of negativity.
He musnt have watched too many of tyrones games from 05 and 08 caus they played some of the best football ive seen in croke park,and produced it in finals too.

2) Mayo remind me of an alcoholic whos in denial about his drinking.
Unless they accept that their senior teams have a problem performing in all-irelands i dont think they ll ever win one. im fed up listening to their supporters goin on all year about how they "won" the last hour of last years final and how they "were the better team apart from the 'crazy' goals".
Theyve flopped in 5 finals in a row now and i think theyd be better off accepting that rather than whinging all winter about the ref or dublins cynical fouling in the last ten minutes.

andyman

So you're two points down with a 20 yard free which the last play of the game and you take a point?

I'm sorry, but after seeing that yesterday I don't believe Mayo deserved a thing. Taking the point there was accepting defeat.

StephenHendry

dissappointing AI final, really expected a better game considering how well both teams were playing this year. i was hoping for a draw as i felt neither
team deserved giving the amount of mistakes, unforced errors on both sides.

Dyr

andyman wrote: »

So you're two points down with a 20 yard free which the last play of the game and you take a point?

I'm sorry, but after seeing that yesterday I don't believe Mayo deserved a thing. Taking the point there was accepting defeat.

I honestly feel when Mayo's chances came in the last few minutes none of them stepped up.

robbiezero

Bambi wrote: »

I honestly feel when Mayo's chances came in the last few minutes none of them stepped up.

I agree. There was a few chances for a shot at a point even in the lead up to the free which if taken would have given them a chance to win the next kick out and score again.

Ace2007

joe swanson wrote: »

Wat i mean is by their unsportsmanlike fouling, and gavins comments which attempt to justify the charade. Absolutely celebrate no problem. They did just about deserve to win overall but the manner of victory makes it a little hollow.

And as for other teams doing it absolutely. That behaviour shouldnt happen - end of.

But this thread is about yesterdays match.

Where you at the match?

The_Honeybadger

Muff Richardson wrote: »

32 Mayo frees awarded to Dublins 12. ye got more than your money's worth of whatever chunky envelope that ref got. It was the most bias performance of a ref i have ever seen or will be likely to see. Jim Gavin has a very sportsmanlike approach to every game he played for dublin and team he presides over, he is a very humble, soft spoken and a true gent, he would be the last person to criticise a referee especially after the win but even he is saying that Dublin were playing 16 men out there yesterday.

http://http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/we-were-playing-the-ref-as-well-as-mayo-jim-gavin-29598711.html

Dubs have short memories, they got an AI title gift wrapped and handed to them on a silver platter by the same poor ref just two years ago, and any kerryman who had the audacity to mention it was a whinger. Can he not just take the win ffs.

Poor_old_gill

joe swanson wrote: »

Wat i mean is by their unsportsmanlike fouling, and gavins comments which attempt to justify the charade. Absolutely celebrate no problem. They did just about deserve to win overall but the manner of victory makes it a little hollow.

And as for other teams doing it absolutely. That behaviour shouldnt happen - end of.

But this thread is about yesterdays match.

I wouldnt call the victory hollow as Dublin deserved to win.
I did find Gavin's comments to be a bit idiotic though- you cant justify a few rugby tackles by saying lads were frustrated.

His comment on the amount of frees given to Mayo is something that he will probably regret when he watches the match again.

To put it simply- you cant tackle with 2 hands- a wrap around tackle, which too many Dublin players doing, is illegal.
What you're meant to do is get your body in the way to hold up the player and then disposses with 1 hand- to be honest I thought Dublin could have conceded more frees yesterday