Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - 2013/14 mod warning post#7259

Kylo Ren

IvySlayer wrote: »

Keno can be tea lady

Mary can be bus driver

I will be a scout, starting in the bahamas, then the world cup in Brazil

Kew and his dad, press officers

I make a great cup of tea to be fair.

Barry's all the way.

*Awaits 2 page rant on Lyon's Vs the vastly superior brand Barry's*

Mars Bar

Lyon's >>> Barry's!

Al Capwned

Haven't been on here in a day or two - could anyone summarise?

Kylo Ren

Mars Bar wrote: »

Lyon's >>> Barry's!

After Barry's, this is how everyone reacts when given Lyon's.

Paul Tergat

Earl Grey > all

Kylo Ren

Paul Tergat wrote: »

Earl Grey > all

When I see Earl Grey I think of...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVmmYMwFj1I

:pac:

Timmyctc

Al Capwned wrote: »

Haven't been on here in a day or two - could anyone summarise?

Paul Tergat

Keno wrote: »

When I see Earl Grey I think of...


:pac:

In fairness its the only tea I will really drink and I only have maybe a couple of cups a year. Im so far from those types of dickheads its not even funny

tallaghtmick

Question for the Moyes I want sacked, the give Moyes a year and the give Moyes all the time he needs brigades...so yeh everyone, if he got sacked tomorrow do you think any other big clubs would offer him a job and if not what clubs would.

GreeBo

tallaghtmick wrote: »

Question for the Moyes I want sacked, the give Moyes a year and the give Moyes all the time he needs brigades...so yeh everyone, if he got sacked tomorrow do you think any other big clubs would offer him a job and if not what clubs would.

Middlesbrough.;)

kryogen

Some ramblings

The team is not dominating in the midfield, it hasn't been for quite a while now and coupled with the counter attacks that we used to be so good at becoming non existent these days it is encouraging opposing managers to really set up to have a go, the fear is no longer there, teams are playing on the front foot against us, looking to press high up the field and since the opposing manager is naming more attacking line ups they obviously have more ability to hurt going forward.

Playing Jan has been great, very happy to see him getting game time, he is surprising me even as I would not have thought he was ready to be starting yet and despite lacking in a few areas of the game he is a good addition to have and someone who looks capable of making things happen at least.

The players are playing too deep in general and are also staying too far apart when in possession, there are not triangles or neat little interchanges, all the passing is either long or medium range really, quickly into the strikers feet/channel or lumped up in the hope that RVP will make something out of nothing. It is poor.

Rooney is posing a huge problem this year imo, he isn't actually playing very well despite the goals, he is not linking the ball between the midfield and attack/wings, which is what we need him to be doing. A front line comprising of Nani, Kagawa, Januzaj and RVP would be preferable to me unless Rooney gets his **** together soon.

Moyes substitutions have been baffling tbh, and they are not defendable, they betray his negative thinking, rather then trying to go and kill games off he has been trying to hold on to what we have, or not lose. This is not what we should be doing. It goes against the nature of the club and he needs to start trusting his flair players more and using the skill sets he has available to him. We have some talented players able to link well together, able to interchange with each other and able to carve open the opposition, the game plan needs to change to suit this style of play rather then what we have been doing thus far.

The players are of course far from blameless in this, they have underperformed as a unit, individual errors are costing us as well as poor decision making from the side line. Mistakes being made on and off the pitch will have to be cut out sooner rather then later. I think Moyes was bold to want to put his own stamp on the backroom and that but I also think he was wrong to not hang on to a couple of the seasoned veterans for a year at least to guide him. There would be nothing to be ashamed of in it, it wouldn't simply make him Fergie man anymore then he already is anyway.

He also needs to be the ruthless ****er that got him the attention in the first place. Rooney should be sitting out the next game based on performance. If he doesn't like it then he can improve or **** off. No player can be bigger then the club and the constant praise he is getting from Moyes is irritating when he is doing little to deserve it. He has scored of course, but from open play there has not been much.

Putting Giggs in the team needs to stop too now I think of it, there are so few situations where Giggs should be on the pitch that he shouldn't be in the match day squad most weeks, and I wish he would just do a Gary Neville on it and take the decision away from the manager. It takes nothing away from the respect I have for him or the admiration I have for what he has done in his time at the club. Enough is enough however.

Its early days, there is plenty of time to turn things around and I will continue to support the club, players and manager, this season was going to be incredibly tough given the circumstance. As long as he is learning from these mistakes and begins to show that he is the right man for the job proving many people (myself included I admit) wrong by the business end of the season I will be content. He needs to have a couple of years anyway to make a fist of it, its a steep learning curve going from Everton to United, replacing the GOAT. Barring a disaster of epic proportions I would be very disappointed to see him gone inside two seasons, with the caveat that progress is being made.

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uncleoswald

kryogen wrote: »

Barring a disaster of epic proportions I would be very disappointed to see him gone inside two seasons, with the caveat that progress is being made.

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But that is the big question, what constitutes a disaster? I have seen many people on here say the same about backing him but then say finishing outside the top 4 would be a inconceivable and a sacking offence for Moyes.

We have what, the 3rd best squad in the league? Of course if we have a disappointing season it is not inconceivable that the likes Spurs and Arsenal could finish above us, like we did last year to City and Chelsea. I see no reason that this United have the right to a top four place and while it would be a kick in the balls I don't think it would be the level of disaster many are predicting to miss out in the Champions League for a season. The Glazers would be forced to dip into United's massive revenue stream and we could still attract some quality players even without Champions League football.

Nobody is saying League position doesn't matter but I'll be looking at more factors when deciding if Moyes still has my backing come May.

IvySlayer

Paul Tergat wrote: »

Earl Grey > all

Earl Grey is Captain Picards tea, a fine choice sir

Leftist

had a dream last night that he left.... please come true.

magnumbud

Leftist wrote: »

had a dream last night that he left.... please come true.

:rolleyes: not even 10 games into the season and you want him gone. sad

tallaghtmick

Leftist wrote: »

had a dream last night that he left.... please come true.

Was he sacked or did he up and leave?.....Its gotten so bad here we're discussing dreams :pac:

homerjay2005

magnumbud wrote: »

:rolleyes: not even 10 games into the season and you want him gone. sad

well theres a good portion of fans who didnt want him in the first place, so of course they are not going to want him, when his time so far has been as bad as it realistically could have been. i mean come on, weve got 2 wins from 7 and they are against Palace and Sunderland, who lost a combined score of 8-1 at the weekend.

ill make my proper judgement on him around December. but if the 2nd part of the first half of the season (if that makes season) is as bad as the first part, then come January anybody who thinks he is not up to the job would be justified.

to be in 7th or 8th and 10 plus points off top around january would be disaster level.

the Arsenal, Spurs, Everton, Newcastle and Villa games will define him IMO.

Oranage2

United are playing poorly but I believe it's not just the managers fault, the players need to take responsibility too, one thing is for sure, players will be brought in January, Maybe someone like Hibbert to bolster the defense.

Maximus Alexander

IvySlayer wrote: »

Earl Grey is Captain Picards tea, a fine choice sir

That reminds me, a friend of mine works for a big multinational and this is one of their verified, real life employees.

kryogen

uncleoswald wrote: »

But that is the big question, what constitutes a disaster? I have seen many people on here say the same about backing him but then say finishing outside the top 4 would be a inconceivable and a sacking offence for Moyes.

We have what, the 3rd best squad in the league? Of course if we have a disappointing season it is not inconceivable that the likes Spurs and Arsenal could finish above us, like we did last year to City and Chelsea. I see no reason that this United have the right to a top four place and while it would be a kick in the balls I don't think it would be the level of disaster many are predicting to miss out in the Champions League for a season. The Glazers would be forced to dip into United's massive revenue stream and we could still attract some quality players even without Champions League football.

Nobody is saying League position doesn't matter but I'll be looking at more factors when deciding if Moyes still has my backing come May.

A disaster of epic proportions would be seeing us finish out of Europe (i.e no trophy and mid table) while playing a brand of football that is taking us backwards and seeing some of our good players leave while they are replaced with inferior players or worse none at all.

It is of course about more then just league position and as long as the team is going in the right direction or showing signs of it I can stomach a year out of the CL. That's it though, it is vital for the club to be in Europes premier competition, our debt is huge and getting out of the group stage is essential every year, being honest getting to the 1/4 final is probably the minimum target for the club every year just looking at it from a monetary perspective.

Arsenal managed to stay in CL every year, United should expect no less then that, but as I said, if it looks like he is making progress then I could live with it for a year.

tallaghtmick

Oranage2 wrote: »

United are playing poorly but I believe it's not just the managers fault, the players need to take responsibility too, one thing is for sure, players will be brought in January, Maybe someone like Hibbert to bolster the defense.

I can see the Moyes effect has taken over fans brains, in what world is Hibbert good enough for us?

Mitch Connor

tallaghtmick wrote: »

I can see the Moyes effect has taken over fans brains, in what world is Hibbert good enough for us?

ah come on - you got to assume he's joking here!

bullvine

How can you stomach being out of CL, is that how far we've dropped. United are the Champions, have the best forwards in the league. Dropping from first to fifth would be inexcusable in one season. Fourth spot is a minimum for Moyes, if that doesn't happen, then I'm sorry he can f**k off.

Dicky Pride

This sums up my thoughts nicely

http://therepublikofmancunia.com/top-5-david-moyes-mistakes/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=top-5-david-moyes-mistakes&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Will I Amnt

tallaghtmick wrote: »

I can see the Moyes effect has taken over fans brains, in what world is Hibbert good enough for us?

He's not. That's Oranage's thing. He's waiting on a reaction. Don't give it to him.

IamtheWalrus

kryogen wrote: »

A disaster of epic proportions would be seeing us finish out of Europe (i.e no trophy and mid table) while playing a brand of football that is taking us backwards and seeing some of our good players leave while they are replaced with inferior players or worse none at all.

Agreed.

Dr.Winston O'Boogie

bullvine wrote: »

How can you stomach being out of CL, is that how far we've dropped. United are the Champions, have the best forwards in the league. Dropping from first to fifth would be inexcusable in one season. Fourth spot is a minimum for Moyes, if that doesn't happen, then I'm sorry he can f**k off.

Man City have better forwards.

kryogen

bullvine wrote: »

How can you stomach being out of CL, is that how far we've dropped. United are the Champions, have the best forwards in the league. Dropping from first to fifth would be inexcusable in one season. Fourth spot is a minimum for Moyes, if that doesn't happen, then I'm sorry he can f**k off.

Because I can put up with short term loss for long term gain.

kryogen

niallo24 wrote: »

Man City have better forwards.

Do you think so?

I would take RVP, Rooney, Hernandez and Welbeck over Negredo, Aguero, Dzeko and Jovetic tbh

tallaghtmick

Mitch Connor wrote: »

ah come on - you got to assume he's joking here!

I hope he is.

Oranage2

Dicky Pride wrote: »

This sums up my thoughts nicely

http://therepublikofmancunia.com/top-5-david-moyes-mistakes/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=top-5-david-moyes-mistakes&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

A load of rubbish this!

- Fergy didn't trust kagawa either
- Fergy also put on youngsters to try win games (machida)
- Rooney is playing well

tallaghtmick

kryogen wrote: »

Because I can put up with short term loss for long term gain.

I dont think it will happen with Moyes, or at least with his current tactics.

tallaghtmick

Dicky Pride wrote: »

This sums up my thoughts nicely

http://therepublikofmancunia.com/top-5-david-moyes-mistakes/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=top-5-david-moyes-mistakes&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Any chance you could quote that here? Work has that blocked.

Mitch Connor

We just have to hope moyes and woodward are learning and learning fast.

What players we have that we want to move on.
What players we want to bring in.
How to bring those players in.

Already the needs for January/Summer are clear to us.

We'll need at least 1 left back, maybe 2. At least one central midfielder, probably 2. Possibly a winger (left sided).

Depending on Rio, Vidic, Rooney and Chico we could be adding a centre back and a striker to that list.

kryogen

tallaghtmick wrote: »

I dont think it will happen with Moyes, or at least with his current tactics.

You could be right, but he has the season to learn and start moving in the right direction. He will not be sacked this season. That I am sure of

Headshot

kryogen wrote: »

You could be right, but he has the season to learn and start moving in the right direction. He will not be sacked this season. That I am sure of

Lose out on CL qualification and he'll be rightfully gone

kryogen

Headshot wrote: »

Lose out on CL qualification and he'll be rightfully gone

I don't think its that cut and dried.

Headshot

kryogen wrote: »

I don't think its that cut and dried.

So let me get this straight, losing out on CL qualification with the current PL champions isnt as cut and dry as you think, bloody hell.

Mitch Connor

kryogen wrote: »

I don't think its that cut and dried.

If he misses out without winning the League Cup or FA Cup, I can see a massive amount of pressure on United, leading to him getting sacked.

Maybe the fans would give him more time, but with shareholders, sponsors and commercialisation to think about I don't think the Glazers could take missing out on the CL lightly.

Dicky Pride

tallaghtmick wrote: »

Any chance you could quote that here? Work has that blocked.

Everybody makes mistakes. Even Alex Ferguson, even Miley Cyrus. David Moyes, however, can’t take a step without stepping into dog turd. A professional manager, you wouldn’t necessarily believe it. However, it’s apparently too early to call for his head – regardless of whether or not you thought he was the wrong choice in the first place. Anyway, enough whinging about David Moyes, let’s discuss David Moyes’ top 5 mistakes.

Dicky Pride

Sorry - on mobile. Couldn't quote it properly

Your Airbag

Moyes has the complete backing of everyone at the club from what I can see.

I honestly think if we finish outside the top four and win nothing he would not be sacked such is the backing of him from the club.

If it looks like we are on the same road in his second season he would be on thin ice.

kryogen

Headshot wrote: »

So let me get this straight, losing out on CL qualification with the current PL champions isnt as cut and dry as you think, bloody hell.

Not what I said, and doesn't actually make sense if you read it back there.

kryogen

Mitch Connor wrote: »

If he misses out without winning the League Cup or FA Cup, I can see a massive amount of pressure on United, leading to him getting sacked.

Maybe the fans would give him more time, but with shareholders, sponsors and commercialisation to think about I don't think the Glazers could take missing out on the CL lightly.

If he fails to win a trophy and has us outside the top 6 or 7 he will be under serious pressure, and rightly so. I think it could depend on how we have looked in the final part of the season though as to whether he would actually get the bullet or not.

If it is clear that he has got to grips with it and progress is being made then I can see him being given the season to rectify his mistakes. If we still look poor and continue to pick up results as we have been thus far I think he will be gone.

Not saying it is something anybody would stomach happily, I just don't think its black and white that if he misses out on top 4 he is gone. I could be wrong of course and he could have been told that CL qualification was the absolute minimum requirement from him this season. Not like that would be a particularly unreasonable target from the board. Just suspect if things seems to be improving he will not be binned.

ericzeking

Dicky Pride wrote: »

This sums up my thoughts nicely

http://therepublikofmancunia.com/top-5-david-moyes-mistakes/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=top-5-david-moyes-mistakes&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

I actually agree with alot of that but wouldn't express it in the same terms

KH25

Anything to the rumour that Evra has decided not to renew his contract for personal reasons?

redalan

My view is that if United are nervous about losing out on CL football for one season, there is no way that he would be allowed keep the job if it raised the possibility of losing out on CL football for two seasons. For what it is worth, he deserves time and breasthing space. However, the first criteria to measure how well he is doing is to see the team playing at the same level as last season. And they are not. It is not as if there has been wholesale changes. It is the same team. If we can see that the players are good enough, then there must be another problem. Personally, I think the job is too big for him. For all his time at Everton, he didnt win one trophy. Alex McLeish won a trophy with Birmingham. Maybe I am being short sighted but I just dont see him being the man to have the vision to bring Manchester United forward.

Mitch Connor

KH25 wrote: »

Anything to the rumour that Evra has decided not to renew his contract for personal reasons?

he said it himself, so it isn't a rumour.

Kess73

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KH25

Mitch Connor wrote: »

he said it himself, so it isn't a rumour.

Thanks. The only place I saw it had no source or anything so I wasn't sure.