Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - 2013/14 mod warning post#7259

Al Capwned

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Think we will win today, but will have to sweat it out a little.

Naaaah

kryogen wrote: »

Looking at the majority of the other teams having loads of managers there, having one mananger there, makes me so proud for some reason. Standing there, alone, like a the boss

fyp

IvySlayer

Powell scores again

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Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

We have an insider on the thread then it seems.

God help him come January.

Professional Griefer

Hopefully he told Rooneys agent that he is not a gentleman.

Rayne Wooney

3 points but the second half was abysmal stuff.

The Arsenal game will be a big test

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Can't see too many waiting with baited breath for MOTD tonight.

Dion Dublin & Andy Cole summing the game up perfectly.When a team is down,keep them down.

Lord TSC

What was really nice in the first half of the first half was the wingers supported the attackers and worked well together, both in terms of setting up goals and getting into a position to recieve the ball and score.

Ordinary man

Some great stuff in patches in the first half, second half was terrible. But after 10 mostly terrible games united are only 2 behind city and 3 behind chelsea

jimjamcos

I only seen the 2nd half. We were awful during it, displaying little or no control in midfield with Fulham the better, more purposeful team from what I seen. I assume that our control fell apart with changes at half-time, no? Fellani, again, was more awkward than composed in possession.

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jimjamcos wrote: »

I only seen the 2nd half. We were awful during it, displaying little or no control in midfield with Fulham the better, more purposeful team from what I seen. I assume that our control fell apart with changes at half-time, no? Fellani, again, was more awkward than composed in possession.

We started going downhill about ten minutes after scoring the 3rd goal.

RasTa

How are people singling out Fellani when Kagawa and Jones where nowhere that 2nd half.

homerjay2005

Job done, nothing more. Next 4 games will define our season. Need at least 3 wins.hopefully injuries not serious and its 6 unbeaten i think now, so maybe things starting to.come together but its a pity its taken 16 games for it to happen.

homerjay2005

RasTa wrote: »

How are people singling out Fellani when Kagawa and Jones where nowhere that 2nd half.

Because people are very selective when it comes to objective assessment of kagawa. He was once again really poor. jones was ok i thought tho. Valencia and rooney super, adnan.and vidic solid.

Thought fellani did ok, was controlled and was involved. Glad to finally see Vidic and Smling play together.

The_Kew_Tour

First 25 minutes we were terrific and after that we were total and utter muck.

Kagawa was horrendous when he came on.

Rooney and Januzaj the bright lights and Van Persie was solid to be fair too. Vidic was a beast at the back.

Cleverly was caught out few times too in first half but got away with it.

Deserved win, but a 07/08 or 99 team would have went on to score 6-7 after or good start.

J. Marston

Januzaj is fairly lucky that didn't do damage. Riether is a right dirtbag.

Nalz

homerjay2005 wrote: »

Because people are very selective when it comes to objective assessment of kagawa. He was once again really poor. jones was ok i thought tho. Valencia and rooney super, adnan.and vidic solid.

Thought fellani did ok, was controlled and was involved. Glad to finally see Vidic and Smling play together.

^ Spot on...Kag was poor, Jones was not. I do however like Evans and Vidic together though

Mikeyt086

homerjay2005 wrote: »

Because people are very selective when it comes to objective assessment of kagawa. He was once again really poor. jones was ok i thought tho. Valencia and rooney super, adnan.and vidic solid.

Thought fellani did ok, was controlled and was involved. Glad to finally see Vidic and Smling play together.

People are sympathetic towards Kagawa as he is very rarely played in his natural position.

Again he was played out of position, again he was ****e. Fellaini was clumsy, he looks like he is a kid running around in his Dad's shoes.

The_Kew_Tour

Out of position or not Kagawa played some awful passes today. Looked clumsy.

One moment near edge of Fulham box he had plenty of time to give easy pass and somehow gave it to Fulham player.

He deserves a proper chance, but you cant be making excuse after excuse.

He did the simple things bad today.

enviro

J. Marston wrote: »

Januzaj is fairly lucky that didn't do damage. Riether is a right dirtbag.

Surely that isn't the end of it... ref didn't see it so he can be charged?

tallaghtmick

enviro wrote: »

Surely that isn't the end of it... ref didn't see it so he can be charged?

Not one word on setanta commentary about the stamp, was anything said after?

Liam O

Kagawa is lacking the composure he showed last season, I'm not sure it's a positional thing. Last season he would get the ball in any situation and amaze me with his ability to create space and find a teammate. He's losing the ball a lot more this season, it's like he doesn't have any understanding with his teammates.

homerjay2005

Mikeyt086 wrote: »

People are sympathetic towards Kagawa as he is very rarely played in his natural position.

Again he was played out of position, again he was ****e.
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Stop using this excuse,its inaccurate and getting tiring now. his performances are poor no matter where he plays. He doesnt play wide left, he plays more central and its when in the middle that he keeps getting caught out.people have this fantasy that he deserves the position behind the striker- he has done nothing to deserve it. Rooney, adnan, even Fellani are all better than him there.

The amount of ball he gives away or times he just gets brushed off the ball is shocking.

Kerrydude1981

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Out of position or not Kagawa played some awful passes today. Looked clumsy.

One moment near edge of Fulham box he had plenty of time to give easy pass and somehow gave it to Fulham player.

He deserves a proper chance, but you cant be making excuse after excuse.

He did the simple things bad today.

Im a big fan of Kagawa but there seems to be something just not right about him,today he was very uncomfortable on the ball which is one of his main strengths,

He looks good in the Champions League but he seems to be still trying to adapt to EPL

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tallaghtmick wrote: »

Not one word on setanta commentary about the stamp, was anything said after?

Dion & Andy spoke about it & how the senior players ran over to stand up for Januzaj.They said it was like the old days when Keane etc. would go for anyone who took liberties with United's young lads on the pitch.

KH25

enviro wrote: »

Surely that isn't the end of it... ref didn't see it so he can be charged?

Hopefully. Absolutely filthy challenge. No need for it whatsoever.

The_Kew_Tour

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

Im a big fan of Kagawa but there seems to be something just not right about him,today he was very uncomfortable on the ball which is one of his main strengths,

He looks good in the Champions League but he seems to be still trying to adapt to EPL

The chap has the ability, but I can see why he aint on first team at minute.

It might be confidence thing im not sure, but he needs to up it a little when he gets a chance.

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Soldie

The result was good but the performance was poor. I think the team was quite unbalanced and we suffered as a result. Jones puts in a shift and tackles well, but he doesn't have the technique, close control or passing ability to be anywhere near that midfield, especially when coupled with the technically limited Fellaini. Valencia is also horribly one dimensional and limits our play. I actually think we missed Cleverley when he went off.

We need to get work on a better chemistry and improve the movement between defence and midfield. It's rare that one of our centre mids comes short to offer an outlet to the defender on the ball, who then invariably panics and hoofs it up the pitch to nobody. Compare this to Arsenal, who constantly have an option and play lovely free-flowing football.

DM_7

Blackett played 90 minutes today after his loan to Blackpool ( they wion one nil)

Rayne Wooney

We could be in a bit of trouble next week looking at Arsenal's performance tonight

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Rayne Wooney wrote: »

We could be in a bit of trouble next week looking at Arsenal's performance tonight

More worried about ours today,Liverpool flattered to deceive so far this season & failed their big test today.I've a feeling if we sustain the same performance we did for the first half hour for the full 90 next week we can beat Arsenal.

Mitch Connor

Was nice to see the United players get amongst the Fulham lads at the end, Fellaini and Evra leading it. Too often we have allowed other sides to physically take liberties. RVPs nasty streak is one of the things I like about him, and I'd be happy if Fellaini started roughing a few people up in retribution on occassion.

The_Kew_Tour

on performances this season Arsenal should best us.

But that first 25 minutes today suggest we can cause them problems, but we have to produce it for longer period of course.

Next week could be a belter.

Pro. F

Whenever Rooney has played on the wing too much his form has turned to shíte. Scholes struggled badly on the wing and nearly left the club when Fergie started playing him out there too much. Playing creative players out there when they aren't suited to it fúcks them up. It doesn't matter if they are allowed to drift inside, it's a completely different way of playing the game and there are players that it obviously doesn't work for. Kagawa is just another one of these players.

The_Kew_Tour

Only 3 points behind Chelsea with much tougher start.

Not all doom and gloom.

Kerrydude1981

Pro. F wrote: »

Whenever Rooney has played on the wing too much his form has turned to shíte. Scholes struggled badly on the wing and nearly left the club when Fergie started playing him out there too much. Playing creative players out there when they aren't suited to it fúcks them up. It doesn't matter if they are allowed to drift inside, it's a completely different way of playing the game and there are players that it obviously doesn't work for. Kagawa is just another one of these players.

Did someone say on here one time that Kagawa plays on the left for Japan and Honda plays in the middle as the "number 10"

Their last formation here shows him playing there

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/japan/startseite/nationalmannschaft_3435.html

dahat

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Was nice to see the United players get amongst the Fulham lads at the end, Fellaini and Evra leading it. Too often we have allowed other sides to physically take liberties. RVPs nasty streak is one of the things I like about him, and I'd be happy if Fellaini started roughing a few people up in retribution on occassion.

And a good pic of Fellani getting at them,

Kerrydude1981

dahat wrote: »

And a good pic of Fellani getting at them,

Hope he got his lunch money as well

Mitch Connor

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Only 3 points behind Chelsea with much tougher start.

Not all doom and gloom.

We really can't afford to lose to arsenal next week though - we'd go 11 points behind them....

A win for us next week though and it would change the complection of the league, and the perception of United, greatly.

Fingers crossed we put in a good performance. We have shown glimpses of a great United side so far this season, we need a sustained performance. We also need Carrick fit, and available. Will certainly be interesting to see what Moyes plays if everyone is fit.

Would say todays line up could be first choice, with Carrick coming in for Jones. I can't see a big argument for any other player (despite, personally, being a big fan of Kagawa and Nani - they aren't making an argument with their play).

jameshayes

Belgians sticking up for one and other!

Mitch Connor

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

Did someone say on here one time that Kagawa plays on the left for Japan and Honda plays in the middle as the "number 10"

Their last formation here shows him playing there

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/japan/startseite/nationalmannschaft_3435.html

At united, when played left, he is expected to do a lot more defending than with Japan as far as I know. Same when he played there for dortmund. The general position might be the same, but the role is more restricted at United - though to be fair Kagawa drifts A LOT at United so this isn't really an excuse for him anymore.

The_Kew_Tour

Mitch Connor wrote: »

We really can't afford to lose to arsenal next week though - we'd go 11 points behind them....

A win for us next week though and it would change the complection of the league, and the perception of United, greatly.

Fingers crossed we put in a good performance. We have shown glimpses of a great United side so far this season, we need a sustained performance. We also need Carrick fit, and available. Will certainly be interesting to see what Moyes plays if everyone is fit.

Would say todays line up could be first choice, with Carrick coming in for Jones. I can't see a big argument for any other player (despite, personally, being a big fan of Kagawa and Nani - they aren't making an argument with their play).

Realistically we have to win imo if we want to stand chance of winning league. Lose and its bye bye. Early days or not.

I dont think we will win league, but a win next week and we are at least back in mix.

elchupanebrey

Didn't see United today so I will probably watch MOTD for the 1st time this season. Arsenal did look decent today but I agree that Liverpool looked muck too, which helped them no end. Hopefully we can put in a good shift next weekend and not let Arsenal walk through us like Pool seemed to today.

Mitch Connor

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Realistically we have to win imo if we want to stand chance of winning league. Lose and its bye bye. Early days or not.

I dont think we will win league, but a win next week and we are at least back in mix.

Agreed - at the least a win next week would be massive in terms of the 'top four' push.

Losing could be absolutely horrible for Moyes - not least because we are going into an international week. The media will be primed to pile on during the utterly meaningless international week. From a media standpoint his head could be getting called for.

yabadabado

hopefully Moyes has a full squad to pick from for Arsenal game and it will be interesting to see how he lines up.A win would be a huge result for Moyes and really but us back in the mix.
I would expect the same team as today but Carrick in for Jones

Rayne Wooney

I hope Moyes has learned from previous games with "title contenders", he's played pretty negatively in the games against Chelsea, City and Liverpool and all we got was 1 point. Hopefully now he realises that we should be lining out to beat Arsenal.

Play the way we did in the first 25 minutes today and I see us winning, play like the second half and we could be given a lesson in good football.

Will I Amnt

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

I hope Moyes has learned from previous games with "title contenders", he's played pretty negatively in the games against Chelsea, City and Liverpool and all we got was 1 point. Hopefully now he realises that we should be lining out to beat Arsenal.

Play the way we did in the first 25 minutes today and I see us winning, play like the second half and we could be given a lesson in good football.

Guess the odd one out?

PhlegmyMoses

Counter attack and high press will still work against this Arsenal team....

Mitch Connor

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Counter attack and high press will still work against this Arsenal team....

Hopefully this is something Moyes will listen to Fergie on!

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Never thought I'd say it but we need Carrick & Cleverley for the Arsenal game.