Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - 2013/14 mod warning post#7259

DM_7

kryogen wrote: »

You think Fergie would have used Fellaini behind RVP, or would have made Giggs his sole substitute of the night replacing one of our only out balls, to offer nothing?

I would have to disagree

Starting line up, definitely Fergie like, everything after. No, goes against his nature.

If you genuinely think SAF wouldn't bring on Giggs then I see no point in continuing any discussion on that matter with you as it completely ignores history.

Re Fellaini, he only played a small part of the game close to RVP, it didn't work so he hooked him. It didn't bother me to see it tried.

tallaghtmick

Happy with the draw I agree Fergie would have done similar, Vidic should have booted it out but maybe had bad footing or something.

Paul Tergat

bucketybuck wrote: »

Forget points, wins, draws or losses, they don't matter.

The performances have been gash all season, thats why people are unhappy.

What a stupid thing to say, of course they matter.

What part of the post do you not agree with? Do you not think it was a good point or do you not think it was a meh performance?

And where did I mention people not being unhappy or anything resembling that?

Bizarre post tbh

Liam O

kryogen wrote: »

You think Fergie would have used Fellaini behind RVP, or would have made Giggs his sole substitute of the night replacing one of our only out balls, to offer nothing?

I would have to disagree

Starting line up, definitely Fergie like, everything after. No, goes against his nature.

I definitely remember tearing my hair out on multiple occasions because of a lack of change from Fergie.

You know, I wasn't overly worried about Fergie retiring or Moyes taking over as o thought the team needed a change but Moyes so far has just been Fergie lite, without the winning expectations. Very disappointing.

FutureGuy

I'd have taken 1-1.

Red Crow

Paul Tergat wrote: »

You know, a point is a decent result here.

The performance, meh

Overall? Yes, but there is a monotonous context here that needs to be considered. Moyes has made a very poor start so far and the performances, team selection, tactics, substitutions and transfer window have been appalling.

Rayne Wooney

The goal was the only shot on target for the whole game.

Is there a trend developing here?

Paul Tergat

Red Crow wrote: »

Overall? Yes, but there is a monotonous context here that needs to be considered. Moyes has made a very poor start so far and the performances, team selection, tactics, substitutions and transfer window have been appalling.

Where have I mentioned any of that? My comment was clearly related to the match. What is wrong with people?

DM_7

Danye wrote: »

I strongly disagree. Very little influence over the games he plays.

Why did you bother asking a question if you were just going to disagree with any positive comments about him? Would it not be easier to state your opinion and move on?

Kerrydude1981

Il take the draw but disappointed that the team didnt push on and try and get a second,them guys were there for the taking.


I dunno Moyes still has me

Roll on Sunderland.


In other news it looks like Joe Hart had a good night

DM_7

Liam O wrote: »

I definitely remember tearing my hair out on multiple occasions because of a lack of change from Fergie.

You know, I wasn't overly worried about Fergie retiring or Moyes taking over as o thought the team needed a change but Moyes so far has just been Fergie lite, without the winning expectations. Very disappointing.

Question rather than a criticism, did you expect any big changes this early?

Danye

DM-ICE wrote: »

Why did you bother asking a question if you were just going to disagree with any positive comments about him? Would it not be easier to state your opinion and move on?

So when you ask a question you have to agree with the answer somebody gives?

I'm interested to hear what people's opinions on Cleverly are and how they've come to that conclusion. This is a discussion board.

How Soon Is Now

Cant remember the last time i was really entertained watching a United match. Not enjoying this lately at all seems to of become an on going thing.

bucketybuck

Paul Tergat wrote: »

What a stupid thing to say, of course they matter.

I hope you don't play poker.

Might seem obvious, but the final results are only a way of keeping score :pac:.

If you want your future results to be good, then the important thing to focus on is the performances and the team itself. Personally I would be happy to accept defeats as long as I could see signs of the team gelling, new things being tried and our best players being integrated into the team. If that happens, we might lose a game but in the long run we are more likely to challenge for trophies.

Currently? We got a point sure, but you really think that team is going anywhere playing like that? No chance.

Rayne Wooney

We need to beat Sunderland.

A loss at the weekend and we'll have 4 points from our last 6 league games.

DM_7

Danye wrote: »

So when you ask a question you have to agree with the answer somebody gives?

I'm interested to hear what people's opinions on Cleverly are and how they've come to that conclusion. This is a discussion board.

You showed no interest in what other people think with your response to a post saying the chap is a good squad player in a position United are short on players.

Paul Tergat

bucketybuck wrote: »

I hope you don't play poker.

Might seem obvious, but the final results are only a way of keeping score :pac:.

If you want your future results to be good, then the important thing to focus on is the performances and the team itself. Personally I would be happy to accept defeats as long as I could see signs of the team gelling, new things being tried and our best players being integrated into the team. If that happens, we might lose a game but in the long run we are more likely to challenge for trophies.

Currently? We got a point sure, but you really think that team is going anywhere playing like that? No chance.

I've actually played a ridiculous amount of poker so lets not go down that route.

You seem to be picking on some point I havent made. Answer the questions i asked...

point is a good one? you dont agree i assume?

performance was meh? again, dnot agree?

i've not addressed any long term points, simply commented on the match

edit: just to reiterate, of course points matter.

bucketybuck

Danye wrote: »

I'm interested to hear what people's opinions on Cleverly are and how they've come to that conclusion. This is a discussion board.

My opinion on Cleverley is that at 24 years old, he has played 62 senior games for Manchester United and was never more than adequate in any of them. He is average, always will be.

Danye

DM-ICE wrote: »

You showed no interest in what other people think with your response to a post saying the chap is a good squad player in a position United are short on players.

How did I not? By disagreeing?

What's your definition of a squad player? How is somebody a good squad player?

ericzeking

Danye wrote: »

So when you ask a question you have to agree with the answer somebody gives?

I'm interested to hear what people's opinions on Cleverly are and how they've come to that conclusion. This is a discussion board.

Thought Cleverly played OK myself. Defence looked good apart from the goal obviously.
Thought Welbeck was excellent. Disappointed with Fellaini, gave it away a lot and gave away a few frees but I don't think the ref helped, but early days for him.

Overall, a good point.

Wholeheartedly agree that it was a very fergie like performance.

CSF

Paul Tergat wrote: »

I've actually played a ridiculous amount of poker so lets not go down that route.

You seem to be picking on some point I havent made. Answer the questions i asked...

point is a good one? you dont agree i assume?

performance was meh? again, dnot agree?

i've not addressed any long term points, simply commented on the match

edit: just to reiterate, of course points matter.

Point is an ok result, good is really stretching it surely?

Nalz

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

Cant remember the last time i was really entertained watching a United match. Not enjoying this lately at all seems to of become an on going thing.

I agree... Having said that though I can't remember many fantastic entertaining performances in the CL away in a while

How Soon Is Now

Just wtf has happened to this team so far this season.

Its horrible to see us playing like this.

I know we aint exactly been amazing for a while now but at least we were getting results last season!.

At what point do we start to worry :pac:.

Kerrydude1981

I dunno do I want to watch the RTE lads talk about the game and Moyes

Dunphy will troll it for everything its worth

Paul Tergat

CSF wrote: »

Point is an ok result, good is really stretching it surely?

No I do think its a good one. Tough place to go and i think we can win our home games and beyond that grabbing points on the road will see us through. At least you addressed the actual point being made though.

Nolars

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

Just wtf has happened to this team so far this season.

Its horrible to see us playing like this.

I know we aint exactly been amazing for a while now but at least we were getting results last season!.

At what point do we start to worry :pac:.

if we dont win against Sunderland!

Danye

ericzeking wrote: »

Thought Cleverly played OK myself. Defence looked good apart from the goal obviously.
Thought Welbeck was excellent. Disappointed with Fellaini, gave it away a lot and gave away a few frees but I don't think the ref helped, but early days for him.

Overall, a good point.

Wholeheartedly agree that it was a very fergie like performance.

I felt he was poor. He doesn't really offer a whole lot in my IMO. No influence over the game. He was no better than Fellani I felt.

What does he do that make people fans of him?

How Soon Is Now

Nolars wrote: »

if we dont win against Sunderland!

If we dont get a result against Sunderland ill end up killing one of the many many liverpool fans i have had to listen to over the last few weeks......

Seriously if it gets to Christmas and there still ahead of us ffs i dread the taught!.

CSF

Paul Tergat wrote: »

No I do think its a good one. Tough place to go and i think we can win our home games and beyond that grabbing points on the road will see us through. At least you addressed the actual point being made though.

It is a banana skin alright, but United have much more resources to work with than Shakhtar and should be going there looking to win that game (a good result) but willing to accept a draw if that can't be done (an ok or acceptable result). I don't think Moyes deserves praise for not losing, and I do think he deserves criticism for another unimaginative performance. I missed the Leverkusen game, but that game aside (and I don't know if that was a good performance or not) I don't think we've seen a good United performance since Swansea.

CSF

Nolars wrote: »

if we dont win against Sunderland!

Losing at home to West Brom should surely have been the point when extreme worry set in, if not the awful performances put in against Liverpool and Crystal Palace.

Chagan

I'd really like to see Moyes be more adventurous with his substitutions. Our response to being pulled back was to bring Jones on with seconds left. How many times have we profited over the years from throwing caution to the wind and just going for it?

Still, a point isn't the end of the world. Hopefully it can be built on at the weekend.

Paul Tergat

CSF wrote: »

It is a banana skin alright, but United have much more resources to work with than Shakhtar and should be going there looking to win that game (a good result) but willing to accept a draw if that can't be done (an ok or acceptable result). I don't think Moyes deserves praise for not losing, and I do think he deserves criticism for another unimaginative performance. I missed the Leverkusen game, but that game aside (and I don't know if that was a good performance or not) I don't think we've seen a good United performance since Swansea.

I agree on lack of performances but I think we would have seen something similar, probably slightly better in fairness, from Fergie in this sort of match. Just to add we were a little shaky against Leverkusen too

I really do believe its a good result. A single goal win is a very good one and anything beyond that is a great result.

Rayne Wooney

The run was meant to be West Brom, Sunderland, Southampton, Stoke and Fulham.

7 points from those four left is what I'm predicting considering how bad we've been so far, there'll be a loss and a draw in there I feel.

Then we play Arsenal, Spurs and Everton in the next four after.

How Soon Is Now

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

The run was meant to be West Brom, Sunderland, Southampton, Stoke and Fulham.

7 points from those four left is what I'm predicting considering how bad we've been so far, there'll be a loss and a draw in there I feel.

Then we play Arsenal, Spurs and Everton in the next four after.

See this is depressing.......

Thats not how we should be talking about a Manchester United team but we are unfortunaltly. Crazy ****ing times !!.

DM_7

Danye wrote: »

How did I not? By disagreeing?

What's your definition of a squad player? How is somebody a good squad player?

Squad player. Part of the first team squad. Good squad player, part of all match day squads and will perform well when selected as part of the first 11.

Manchester United are short on players in midfield making Cleverley more important. He fits the criteria of a good squad player as set out above.

Since I took your approach as something it may not have been I will say what I think of the player.

As a player in midfield he links things together well, will take the ball under pressure and keeps possession, has good awareness of what is going on around him which helps him in those situations and means he takes up good positions to receive the ball. He can move the ball quickly with one and two touch football.

He works hard when not in possession of the ball and reading of the game defensively is improving.

For the squad, it appears that he doesn't cause problems when he isn't selected.

He is probably better in a three man midfield in Europe and big games than a two man midfield. No problem playing against most league teams in a two man midfield.

Nolars

Dunphy on Moyes now

allthedoyles

Alex Ferguson is on Sky 502 right now

Rayne Wooney

allthedoyles wrote: »

Alex Ferguson is on Sky 502 right now

Tell me he's throwing hairdryers at Moyes

How Soon Is Now

Nolars wrote: »

Dunphy on Moyes now

Couldnt give a ****e :pac:. Can already imagine the kinda bollox he will come out with.

Ive heard enough of it from rival fans over last couple months.

Neeson

Dunphy is being civil. Give him a few weeks though.

internelligent

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

The run was meant to be West Brom, Sunderland, Southampton, Stoke and Fulham.

7 points from those four left is what I'm predicting considering how bad we've been so far, there'll be a loss and a draw in there I feel.

Then we play Arsenal, Spurs and Everton in the next four after.

9 points at least I'd imagine. I'd be shocked if it was less. Of course I'm shocked at the situation United find themselves now but if United had 14 pts after 10 games and then to hit tough games...... ridiculous to even think about it.

CSF

Paul Tergat wrote: »

I agree on lack of performances but I think we would have seen something similar, probably slightly better in fairness, from Fergie in this sort of match. Just to add we were a little shaky against Leverkusen too

I really do believe its a good result. A single goal win is a very good one and anything beyond that is a great result.

More often than not you'd be seeing wins to go along with the lack of performances under Ferguson, if Moyes' United was playing badly and winning, nobody would be on his case too much, but he is in the worst scenario right now, playing badly and not winning. That needs to improve quickly, and until it does, the criticism should continue to come thick and fast.

Liam O

DM-ICE wrote: »

Question rather than a criticism, did you expect any big changes this early?

I definitely expected some sort of shake up, the abject and lifeless performances, especially after the Swansea game have been a huge surprise. When Nani was signed up I thought he'd be brought straight into the team. Persisting with Ferdinand when he's clearly not up to playing a bunch of games in succession is also baffling and the treatment of Kagawa to top it all off is irritating me more and more as the weeks go by.

Neeson

What did Moyes say about Rooney?

jamesbere

allthedoyles wrote: »

Alex Ferguson is on Sky 502 right now

He's not talking about football, it's weird but interesting.

super_furry

Neeson wrote: »

What did Moyes say about Rooney?

Said he would have been on the bench even if he was fit. Just totally needless stuff.

kryogen

Trilla wrote: »

Fellaini was poor, for once I was glad to see Giggs come on

How long did that crazy notion last?

Paul Tergat

CSF wrote: »

More often than not you'd be seeing wins to go along with the lack of performances under Ferguson, if Moyes' United was playing badly and winning, nobody would be on his case too much, but he is in the worst scenario right now, playing badly and not winning. That needs to improve quickly, and until it does, the criticism should continue to come thick and fast.

Agree Fergie had that but I had a poster responding saying they would forego results for performances. In the CL you just want to make it out of the groups and take it from there. Playing well and not qualifying would be as much as a disaster as playing poorly and not qualifying.

enda1

Christmas: Rooney to Chelsea, Juan Mata to United and Lewandowski to United to team-up with Kagawa again.

Ye read it here first folks!

DM_7

Liam O wrote: »

I definitely expected some sort of shake up, the abject and lifeless performances, especially after the Swansea game have been a huge surprise. When Nani was signed up I thought he'd be brought straight into the team. Persisting with Ferdinand when he's clearly not up to playing a bunch of games in succession is also baffling and the treatment of Kagawa to top it all off is irritating me more and more as the weeks go by.

Personally I don't think Kagawa did much when he did play to deserve more chances, although I found the sub at half time last weekend bizarre. I was hoping Moyes would quickly get best out of him after how well Pienaar played for Everton.

I agree about the lifeless performance v City and West Brom (was happy with the work rate v Chelsea and Liverpool if not then results). Not what I expected, but I think a number of players should take blame for that as much as Moyes. Perhaps safe thinking as he steps into the job filtered to the players and resulted in negative thinking by them as well,

I expect him to shake things up among the squad and playing methods over time but the level of effort and desire will need to be upped fast and after last weekend I would be shocked if it doesn't.