Austria vs Ireland - WCQ Tuesday 7.45

Richard Hillman

TheDoc wrote: »

The thought of Martin O'Neill coming in is horrifying tbh, a really average manager with a poor track record. A short term hype machine.

But he'll be jumping around on the sidelines and stuff and everything will be great.

StephenHendry

fryup wrote: »

whats David O'Leary been up to over the past few years??

he's on SSN the odd time as a pundit for the CL games (he can stay there btw)

slingerz

O'Neill would be better than Trap IMO at least he can speak the language and would actually attend some games.

He would also acknowledge that the players playing in the premier league regularly have got to be better than some League 1 nobody that Trap relies upon.

Ive said it before but Ireland need to get back on the granny rule in order to beef up the squad with some quality

klose

GavRedKing wrote: »

Anybody know of any current international players with more goals then Robbie Keane?

Klose must be up there or there abouts I'd imagine.

The only current internationals with more are klose, soon to break mullers record and drogba.




Robbie is hands down one of the greatest strikers to have ever played international football, legend.


Can we all chip in to get a statue erected of robert david keane when he calls it a day? :pac:

DeanAustin

StephenHendry wrote: »

as a leeds fan, green always gives 100pc for us especially last season, cant' ask for much more tbh

Green is nowhere near as bad as some people make out. The lad is a decent honest player. Honestly, I think some people just get their opinions from the media and can't see beyond that.

The lad isn't a world beater but he isn't a donkey either.

Mushy

DeanAustin wrote: »

Green is nowhere near as bad as some people make out. The lad is a decent honest player. Honestly, I think some people just get their opinions from the media and can't see beyond that.

The lad isn't a world beater but he isn't a donkey either.

Exactly this! Its not exactly his fault he's selected. Same as Glenn Whelan. Yes I don't think they are good enough for the team, that's where the blame lies with Trap.

I'm still hoping for a win, not expecting one though.

DeanAustin

Mushy wrote: »

Exactly this! Its not exactly his fault he's selected. Same as Glenn Whelan. Yes I don't think they are good enough for the team, that's where the blame lies with Trap.

I'm still hoping for a win, not expecting one though.

I actually think we have a better chance tonight than we did on Friday (which is a blinding example of statement of the obvious now). I reckon we'll get at least a draw.

Mushy

DeanAustin wrote: »

I actually think we have a better chance tonight than we did on Friday (which is a blinding example of statement of the obvious now). I reckon we'll get at least a draw.

I don't think that's due to the opposition more than our team selection. But I do expect a draw too.

INEEDANID

Ireland seem good value @ 3-1 with Paddypower.

Lennonist

The pattern lately has been that Ireland play better away from home and professional pride kicks in where the players play better in the next match after a poor performance. There might be another kick in them, but it wont change the big picture in relation to this campaign. If Sweden win in Kazakhstan the game is up.

It may help the next manager a bit in terms of ranking points if we finish 3rd in the group perhaps?

TheDoc

DeanAustin wrote: »

Green is nowhere near as bad as some people make out. The lad is a decent honest player. Honestly, I think some people just get their opinions from the media and can't see beyond that.

The lad isn't a world beater but he isn't a donkey either.

From the times I've seen him play for Ireland and Leeds I'm very much resigned to him being a donkey, same with Whelan.

Shockingly limited footballers who don't evne do a great job at shielding a back four, their so called speciality.

Soups123

TheDoc wrote: »

From the times I've seen him play for Ireland and Leeds I'm very much resigned to him being a donkey, same with Whelan.

Shockingly limited footballers who don't evne do a great job at shielding a back four, their so called speciality.

I doubt either player lays claim to this. Whelan is a player who likes to sit and play an pass, maybe have a few pops. Green is energitic and disruptive, abit in your face again not a defensive shield

Gringo180

INEEDANID wrote: »

Ireland seem good value @ 3-1 with Paddypower.

I would much rather Austria -1 at the same odds. On another note I dont think Sweden will have it easy in Kazakhstan tonight that will be a close game.

noodler

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Get beat tonight

4th seeds for Euro 2016

Martin O Neill comes in

Future ain't bright.

Have you worked that out?

God, lose tonight and almost certainly lose in Germany you'd imagine.

yabadabado

If we can't get second after tonight you would hope we would still hold on to third place finish.With the set up changing for the Euro 2016 qualifiers we need to hold onto third seeding.
Hope for a win tonight and beat Kazakhstan,that as good as it will get imo.I cant see us getting a thing in Cologne.

noodler

yabadabado wrote: »

If we can't get second after tonight you would hope we would still hold on to third place finish.With the set up changing for the Euro 2016 qualifiers we need to hold onto third seeding.
Hope for a win tonight and beat Kazakhstan,that as good as it will get imo.I cant see us getting a thing in Cologne.

Agreed.

There is no team in world football I'd have less faith in us gettign a point against away from home than Germany. I include Spain in that.

Is the 2016 Euros system set in stone? Top three from each group?

We have no chance at second seed status (I haven't looked it up recently but draws with Sweden and Austria coupled with home defeats to Germany and Sweden can't have helped our case at all) so defo the priority is to maintain third seed status.

kfallon

I hope Peter Stöger has retired, still have nightmares about that fella

yabadabado

noodler wrote: »

Agreed.

There is no team in world football I'd have less faith in us gettign a point against away from home than Germany. I include Spain in that.

Is the 2016 Euros system set in stone? Top three from each group?

We have no chance at second seed status (I haven't looked it up recently but draws with Sweden and Austria coupled with home defeats to Germany and Sweden can't have helped our case at all) so defo the priority is to maintain third seed status.

afaik its set in stone .Top 2 qualify and 3rd placed into a playoff.Is that correct?

EDIT:It is to be discussed in a UEFA conference this month according to Wiki.

StephenHendry

DeanAustin wrote: »

Green is nowhere near as bad as some people make out. The lad is a decent honest player. Honestly, I think some people just get their opinions from the media and can't see beyond that.

The lad isn't a world beater but he isn't a donkey either.

exactly, what you see is what you get from greenie, some people try to make out that he is of non-league/conference standard and he is used a scape goat when we get bad results

Handy11

We'll score early tonight and old out for an ill-deserved draw. Trap will herald the result as a triumph of his "system", and we'll be left with more gloom and inevitability (i.e. a good beating in Germany) than the humane killer that a loss would be tonight.

Trap will see out the last of these games whether we like it or not (I'm in the "not" camp).

Hope to god we can get a new manager in - the right manager - that will instil a bit of self belief in the players and have them fighting for results again. In my opinion, Trap has managed to oversee Irish performances that are worse than the sum of our parts. That's a damning endictment of any manager.

prettyboy81

Prediction tonight 3-1 to Austria

ThunbergsAreGo

Id rather Trap then Givens in charge or whatever "interim" wed get

gustafo

sweden 1 up already

Vurnon San Benito

klose wrote: »

I thought mclean was one of the better players on friday and he gets dropped, bah green in midfield too. Its tough times to be an irish national team supporter these days.

McClean was poor against Sweden, besides the odd charge down the wing he did very little. Poor player.

Then you have a certain Robbie Brady twiddling his thumbs on the bench. Shocking.

Smithwicks Man

gustafo wrote: »

sweden 1 up already

Ibrahimovic at it again

The_Kew_Tour

Are Austria ahead of us in the world rankings?

Think we are ahead of then but can't check.

Im going for another boring old draw tonight.

Sigh

Mushy

We're ahead, but not by much. They might overtake us depending on tonight.

wonderfullife

The Kazakhs are well in this game. Tidy players and exploiting a lot of space on the counter. Game far from over.

briany

Kazakhs giving it a good go against Sweden at the minute. I don't expect them to get anywhere but their morale is not imploding like Ireland's did on Friday.

The_Kew_Tour

Sweden to seal it in 2nd half 0-2

aindriu80

Sweden to win no question.
Ireland to get a draw at best.
Martin O Neill as manager if possible.

NUTZZ

Kazakhstan are really going at Sweden, they are very competitive and putting Sweden under pressure, they're making Ireland's performance look even worse now.

elefant

klose wrote: »

The only current internationals with more are klose, soon to break mullers record and drogba.




Robbie is hands down one of the greatest strikers to have ever played international football, legend.


Can we all chip in to get a statue erected of robert david keane when he calls it a day? :pac:

For players in the modern era, Batistuta, Villa and Koller have amazing goal per game records for their countries!

Mountjoy Mugger

Well, 0-1 to Sweden. That's that.

Mint Sauce

Looks like money is being piled on Austria at the bookies.

Idbatterim

bloody hell! Sweden just winning by the one goal. We always say it, but the opposition in this campaign werent up to much, says a lot about us really...

Lennonist

Idbatterim wrote: »

bloody hell! Sweden just winning by the one goal. We always say it, but the opposition in this campaign werent up to much, says a lot about us really...

It was a poor Group bar the Germans, if we were organised properly at all we'd have finished 2nd.

Idbatterim

It was a poor Group bar the Germans, if we were organised properly at all we'd have finished 2nd.

yeah sorry, meant to say with the exception of the germans, that goes without saying really!

Mushy

Wearing black tonight

Banjaxed82

Mushy wrote: »

Wearing black tonight

Apt.

Sean7

Paul Green? That's Trappatoni's answer, Paul Green? Anthony Pilkington's no great match winner either.

desaparecidos

Bill set that up like a presidential debate.

Mushy

Sean7 wrote: »

Paul Green? That's Trappatoni's answer, Paul Green? Anthony Pilkington's no great match winner either.

Yeah let's blame him for all the woes of the team that caused us to lose tonight.

Actually, if Ireland do lose, it'll be horrible to see the abuse he alone will get, even if he isn't to blame!

DEVEREUX

Brady......the time for brown nosing Trap has passed

Mr.Nice Guy

Brady is the only one there with a clue. Fair play to you, Liam.

John Giles admitted in the Herald this past fortnight that he doesn't know what a holding midfielder is and suspected it was a term used to give praise to limited players like Michael Carrick.

Mushy

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Brady is the only one there with a clue. Fair play to you, Liam.

John Giles admitted in the Herald this past fortnight that he doesn't know what a holding midfielder is and suspected it was a term used to give praise to limited players like Michael Carrick.

I only saw the interview with Wilson now....that's a damning indictment against Trap that Brady can never defend. He is still trying though. But is more level headed I guess.

ColeTrain

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Brady is the only one there with a clue. Fair play to you, Liam.

John Giles admitted in the Herald this past fortnight that he doesn't know what a holding midfielder is and suspected it was a term used to give praise to limited players like Michael Carrick.

You're still defending Trap.

Jesus I don't whether to laugh or cry

patmac

Brady defending the indefensible, Simon Cox(surprised he's not playing), when he brought him on the other day destroyed the game, Paul Green? Wtf.

bizmark

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Brady is the only one there with a clue. Fair play to you, Liam.

John Giles admitted in the Herald this past fortnight that he doesn't know what a holding midfielder is and suspected it was a term used to give praise to limited players like Michael Carrick.

All he did was pick out some mistakes by players so unsure about themselfs they take the easy or safe option imho thats all down to the manager and his "no no im great they ****" attitude

Mr.Nice Guy

Mushy wrote:

I only saw the interview with Wilson now....that's a damning indictment against Trap that Brady can never defend. He is still trying though. But is more level headed I guess.

Wilson's difficulty in grasping what he needs to do is his business. If he has communication issues he should ask for his instructions to be repeated.

ColeTrain wrote: »

You're still defending Trap.

Jesus I don't whether to laugh or cry

I see the situation in the same way as Liam Brady, Niall Quinn and Robbie Keane. I'd rather be in there company than Eamon 'Bayern are overrated' Dunphy, and John 'tactics are overrated, Bill' Giles.