Trappatoni no longer ROI manager!

gimmick

SlickRic wrote: »

someone just suggested Harry Redknapp on my FB feed.

I'd emigrate

deadeye187 wrote: »

I think the less said the better!......he was a mistake back then and would be even bigger one now. He is at his level now in the Championship

Mistake? He took over a team full of 30 somethings, unlucky to lose out to a decent Belgium side and then a quite good Turkey side in play offs for WC 98 and Euro 2000.

Brought through a lot of decent players, had us playing probably the best football the national team has ever played, and a penalty shootout away from a World Cup QF.

The Roy Keane issue to one side (which at best was badly handled, but thats not an argument for today) he did a very very good job as Ireland manager. I would take him back in a heartbeat.

deadeye187

It just came to me.........the perfect man for the job


Pat Dolan...............................................





lol

joe316

Ding dong he's gone but by god did he settle a completely sinking ship, remember where we were when he took over. The laughing stock of international football, we nearly got to the world cup and qualified for the euros (less said about that the better) and this campaign was a joke but anyhow its done and dusted, get the new guy in for the last couple of games of this campaign for the next one.

Great memories and he should be judged as one of our better managers, no doubts about it.

My memories of the time.









Best of luck Trap, enjoy whats next for you

DeanAustin

Just An Opinion wrote: »

Not promise 'a world class manager' after shafting Brian Kerr and then appoint Steve Staunton would have been a start. A CEO of anything is expected to be a leader, make crucial and correct decisions, and certainly not act the clown in canvassing for 'love'. Failure in my eyes, there's the door JD.

Like I said, that one was a dreadful decision and I say that without being wise after the event. At the time, it was dumb and it remains so to this day.

But what is it that makes a good CEO of the FAI?

Dolph Starbeam

tupac_healy wrote: »

You simply HAVE to be a Trapp fan cause even you neglected Houlihan....

Houlihan is 31, he's not a young player like the other poster was talking about.

Seaneh

deadeye187 wrote: »

It just came to me.........the perfect man for the job


Pat Dolan...............................................





lol

Thankfully he cannot even be considered, he's a FIFA registered Agent and cannot be a manager or coach.


thank ****.

tupac_healy

YayaBanana wrote: »

Houlihan is 31, he's not a young player like the other poster was talking about.

Fair enough got a tad carried away

deadeye187

Seaneh wrote: »

Thankfully he cannot even be considered, he's a FIFA registered Agent and cannot be a manager or coach.


thank ****.

I`d say every club and sunday lge team are happy as f*ck with this!

Kerrydude1981

That Lotto ad sums up the FAI atm

"So who is going to drive the train?"

"I dont know!!"

Wacker The Attacker

Sky saying he wont take full pay off. Something at least

TheDoc

If I could pick anyone out of employment right now I'd go with Rene Meulenstein

A hungry man looking to make his mark in management.
First hand experience working with one of the best managers in the last 30 years (arguably more)
Commended for his player development and coaching (Is regarded as the main most responsible unit in Ronaldos meteoric rise)
Widely regarded as one of the top coaches in European football
Fine talent for spotting good potential in youth and nurturing that through specialised coaching

Here is a guy who tried his hand at management and got shafted at Anzi after only a short time. While he might look onto Ireland as a stepping stone to a club job, I see no problem with getting in a top quality coach who can actually implement a good style of play, actually improve our players with coaching and expand those ideas down to the underage levels of our national team. As an organisation we could take some tremendous nuggets of experience and knowledge from him.

I'm trying really hard to think outside of the box, Martin O Neill for me is not an ideal candidate, and how in any shape or form he appears to be suitable is beyond me. It is literally the same mistake as Trap, no lesson learned. Picking a manager who has been out of the game, has not been involved in the transition of modern football. Except this time, the candidate has a pretty poor CV and track record, and is somewhat being touted by what I'd consider inept football popularists.

secman

All the talk of late referred to us being a small country , with a small pool of players, a league of no real substance, competing with the GAA & Rugby for players.

All these factors really do pose the question...............
WHY IN FCUKS NAME ARE THE FAI PAYING A CHIEF EXECUTIVE A SALARY OF€360,000 A YEAR ?????????? and most likely a nice VISA card account to boot.
As far as I am aware his salary is higher than that of the Spanish & German equivalent !!!!!!!!!!!!
From recollection he was on a whopping €440,000 per annum and when it was raised during the "**** hitting the wall" era he reduced it to €400,000 p.a.
Then , when he was bringing in a wage cut of 10% and the redundancies which i suspect hit grass root levels in a big way, he took a €40k reduction , leaving him on a paultry sum of €360k p.a. His official response to queries on on salary level was " sure I have turned down positions offering €500k per annum"

Do us a favour John & FCUK off to one of these offers.

yours

Secman

gimmick

Rene Meulenstein. I can honestly say I never heard of this guy until an hour or 2 ago.

Is he the Phillipe Troussier of 2013?

murpho999

I think a lot of analysis of Traps time is unfair.

Team was in an absolute shambles from Staunton era.

The country and its football scribes were calling out for an experienced and proven manager.

Getting Trapatonni with Denis O'Briens help was seen as a coup for the FAI at the time.

We knew we were getting a conservative and defensive coach.

He was in his late 60's and he was not going to change the habits of a lifetime.

He got us organised again and stopped us being easy to beat.

We became competitive again and made play off of 2010 WC which was a great turn around from Euro 2008 campaign.

As time passed his philosophies started to bring him down and his inability to adapt led to his downfall.

Pity how it's worked out but I think he deserves some credit for what he did at the start.

Now need a younger manager with more modern ideas. No idea who.

pistolpetes11

Only one Man for the Job IMO ,

Chris Hughton ! No problem introducing youth, good man management skill s, used to working within a budget




I will despair if MON gets the nod , another long ball merchant,

Would not really mind Mick but feel he is somewhat below the level required in recent years,

Liam Brady , on your bike , does not think we have quality there and listening to him back Trap to the hilt was poor judgement on his behalf

Roy Keane : When the tough gets tough Roy gets going ! would walk after a while and would question his man management skills ,

Brian Mc Dermot , would not be the worst appointment in the world , has always seemed to do well with little resources at his disposal

David O'Leary , well below the level required

Alex Relegation McLeish , NO just NO

gandalf

Thank god he is finally gone. I suspect the "swiftness" of the decision is a belated attempt by Delaney and the board of the FAI to deflect pressure and criticism.

Delaney and other key members of the FAI need to be cleared out as well.

Lovely Bloke

People loved it when Trapp was appointed.

deadeye187

Rene Meulenstein or Chris Hughton would be great......

Lovely Bloke

painful threads though, it took absolutely AGES to get a replacement in for Stan when he went.

Here it is

How does it take 13 monkeys to hire a manager? Answer 113 days

Mods, please take note that it was a mod at the time who gave the thread that title.

noodler

iDave wrote: »

Not going to stick the knife in, I'll choose to remember the Trap era by beating France in 90 mins 1-0 in Paris, briefly leading Italy in Croke Park, banishing our Macedonia demons, 4-1 in Estonia and the sense of hope and excitement that I had in the lead up to June 2012.

You are like the 10th person I have heard say 4-1 in recent days, with Liam Brady last night being the most high profile.

We won 0-4 in Estonia!

1-1 at home

5-1 on aggregate.

BraziliaNZ

Paul Jewell FTW!!!!

aramush

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

People loved it when Trapp was appointed.

Me included, but with the greatest respect to the man he had definitely over stayed his welcome by this stage.

DeanAustin

murpho999 wrote: »

I think a lot of analysis of Traps time is unfair.

Team was in an absolute shambles from Staunton era.

The country and its football scribes were calling out for an experienced and proven manager.

Getting Trapatonni with Denis O'Briens help was seen as a coup for the FAI at the time.

We knew we were getting a conservative and defensive coach.

He was in his late 60's and he was not going to change the habits of a lifetime.

He got us organised again and stopped us being easy to beat.

We became competitive again and made play off of 2010 WC which was a great turn around from Euro 2008 campaign.

As time passed his philosophies started to bring him down and his inability to adapt led to his downfall.

Pity how it's worked out but I think he deserves some credit for what he did at the start.

Now need a younger manager with more modern ideas. No idea who.

This bit actually annoys me about Giles and Dunphy now, particularly Giles.

I remember at the time of Trap's appointment, Bill saying that we are getting a coach who plays dull, defensive football and Giles said "It doesn't matter, it's winning football. Look at his record." Dunphy concurred. Yet, throughout Trap's tenure him and Dunphy have lambasted the style even when it was getting us good results.

I actually think Venables would have been a better appointment at the time. Trap did okay but I think Venables would have gotten similar results playing better football. That's the benefit of hindsight though.

thebaz

deadeye187 wrote: »

Roberto Di Matteo for me.......If he even take the job!

i'd prefer Gus Poyet , again don't think he'd take it

OnTheCouch

Being quite a big fan of Trap, I think he stayed on one term too long. He should really have left after the Euros, where despite the disappointing performances, he would have been able to depart with his head held high to some degree.

Now all the good work that he carried out in getting Ireland to two play-offs, of which one was successful, as well as providing much needed organisation and stability to the team after a few chaotic years, will now mainly be overlooked.

I fear the lasting memory most people will have of his reign will be of a cantakerous elderly man who constantly seemed to rely on his interpreter to get his point across, which is a pity.

speedboatchase

pistolpetes11 wrote: »

Only one Man for the Job IMO ,

Chris Hughton ! No problem introducing youth, good man management skill s, used to working within a budget




I will despair if MON gets the nod , another long ball merchant,

Would not really mind Mick but feel he is somewhat below the level required in recent years,

Liam Brady , on your bike , does not think we have quality there and listening to him back Trap to the hilt was poor judgement on his behalf

Roy Keane : When the tough gets tough Roy gets going ! would walk after a while and would question his man management skills ,

Brian Mc Dermot , would not be the worst appointment in the world , has always seemed to do well with little resources at his disposal

David O'Leary , well below the level required

Alex Relegation McLeish , NO just NO

It would be a big step down for Hughton though.

niallo27

Who are we going to blame now when the results are ****e, maybe we might realise now the players we have arent good enough. It was his time to go though he had lost the players. Half of them are a disgrace to the jersey.

Guffy

Why is David O'Leary always dismissed out of hand?

ambid

Hannibal wrote: »

...I'd rather Roddy Collins as caretaker

fryup wrote: »

his english was poor...how the hell were the players suppose to understand him in the dressing room, i could never understand him in the post match interviews

There would be good continuity there so - Trap and Collins are equally incomprehensible ...

TheDoc

gimmick wrote: »

Rene Meulenstein. I can honestly say I never heard of this guy until an hour or 2 ago.

Is he the Phillipe Troussier of 2013?

Probably only really relevant to MUFC fans. He was one of Sir Alex's right hand men, involved in first team coaching.

There was a brilliant articles there a few weeks back which looked at Ronaldo's record breaking season for United, and everything was pointing on Meulenstein as the main reason. Commended in the rise and development of a lot of top players and goes without saying, many years working with Sir Alex at United.

Add on top of that his work and exposure to Dutch football and coaching.

He was let go by United as Moyes wanted to bring in his own staff ( mistake imo) and he is starting his career at management. Was taken on by Anzi and then gone a few weeks later when the club basically firesold everything.

I'd imagine he would be available for relatively decent wages as he looks to start of his career.

As I said a out of the box suggestion,

In fairness who the hell knows what criteria the FAI have for selecting a candidate. It appears to be " did something good back in the day."

Dolph Starbeam

gufc21 wrote: »

Why is David O'Leary always dismissed out of hand?

Probably because its about 7 years since he last managed a real team. Definitely not the man for the job.

StephenHendry

shocked the FAI has been decisive for once !!!, the right decision has been made. thanks trap for getting us to the euros but you had to go. hope we get chris hughton

TheDoc

gufc21 wrote: »

Why is David O'Leary always dismissed out of hand?

I think people have bad memories of him at Villa, I'm not exactly clear( our Villa fan who popped up in the thread can maybe correct me) but was there not a big problem in the owner, rather then the manager.

I thought he was relatively successful at Leeds building a team and deploying tactics that were a little ahead of its time. Not his fault the board was handing out wages of kinds to paupers.

Only problem with O'Leary is that he is alongtime out of the game, and you would query how he would implement modern techniques and tactics with little exposure to them first hand himself.

PropJoe10

DeanAustin wrote: »

Like I said, that one was a dreadful decision and I say that without being wise after the event. At the time, it was dumb and it remains so to this day.

But what is it that makes a good CEO of the FAI?

Anyone that isnt John Delaney.

Cork boy 55

Dubliner28 wrote: »

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Who else is out there to take over. Don't think Martin o Neill is the answer

Nadia Forde?

BoardsMember

gufc21 wrote: »

Why is David O'Leary always dismissed out of hand?

He's too orange

speedboatchase

niallo27 wrote: »

Who are we going to blame now when the results are ****e, maybe we might realise now the players we have arent good enough. It was his time to go though he had lost the players. Half of them are a disgrace to the jersey.

It's never our fault! It was the manager's fault for not picking James McCarthy in 2011, until he played him and then we realised in 2012 that actually he needed to play James McClean, but then it turned out that what we were REALLY missing in 2013 was Wes Hoolihan. We would've been world-beaters if those players were regularly picked in those years, obviously.

[-0-]

Hopefully the FAI take their time with his replacement. It shouldn't be rushed.

Cheers for the memories Trapattoni, and thanks for leaving when you did.

I hope history respects him.

fullstop

speedboatchase wrote: »

It's never our fault! It was the manager's fault for not picking James McCarthy in 2011, until he played him and then we realised in 2012 that actually he needed to play James McClean, but then it turned out that what we were REALLY missing in 2013 was Wes Hoolihan. We would've been world-beaters if those players were regularly picked in those years, obviously.

People wanting in-form players playing, imagine that :rolleyes:

Lightbulb Sun

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

Whats Ossie Ardiles at these days??

4-2-4 FTW

Or that lad that used always be linked with the Ireland job Philippe Troussier??

He's still in the bookies odds! Funny how you only hear his name when this job is vacant.

wonderfullife

tinofapples wrote: »

If Trap had the "dignity" that Brady spoke of him having so bloody often he would have resigned last night.

That's bang out of order.

Some people out there in life actually have a few principles. As in if you sign a contract of employment, you fulfill it to the bitter end whether you like you work or are doing well in it, you stick it out because you signed a contract promising to do exactly that.

To imply the man has no dignity for not resigning is outrageous. It's outrageous because you could see in his tears at qualifying for the Euros that he put his heart and soul into this

Traps best was ultimately not good enough this campaign and he leaves us with some good memories but to slight the guy for a willingness to honour his contract is not on. As a country during the Celtic Tiger we had thousands of young men and women signing contracts of employment only to jump ship when a better offer materialised. If anything he should be applauded for his willingness to carry the team through despite knowing qualification is goosed and he'd be exiting at end of campaign.

murpho999

Sorry to be a pedant lads but it's "Meulensteen" not "stein".

He's Dutch and they hate being confused for Germans!

astonaidan

TheDoc wrote: »

I think people have bad memories of him at Villa, I'm not exactly clear( our Villa fan who popped up in the thread can maybe correct me) but was there not a big problem in the owner, rather then the manager.

I thought he was relatively successful at Leeds building a team and deploying tactics that were a little ahead of its time. Not his fault the board was handing out wages of kinds to paupers.

Only problem with O'Leary is that he is alongtime out of the game, and you would query how he would implement modern techniques and tactics with little exposure to them first hand himself.

Im a Villa fan and I never had a problem with O'Leary, if he was given the money O'Neill was he would have been successful

Regarding Leeds it was not really up to him the money he spent was it

Son Of A Vidic

wonderfullife wrote: »

If anything he should be applauded for his willingness to carry the team through despite knowing qualification is goosed and he'd be exiting at end of campaign.

Applauded for what? Trying to milk a nice little earner to the bitter end? If he actually had any integrity, he should have stepped down after the embarrassment debacle we witnessed at the European Championships. So good riddance to him.

DeanAustin

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Applauded for what? Trying to milk a nice little earner to the bitter end? If he actually had any integrity, he should have stepped down after the embarrassment debacle we witnessed at the European Championships. So good riddance to him.

Would love to live in your simplistic little world.

DeanAustin

PropJoe10 wrote: »

Anyone that isnt John Delaney.

Great argument.

tupac_healy

TheDoc wrote: »

Probably only really relevant to MUFC fans. He was one of Sir Alex's right hand men, involved in first team coaching.

There was a brilliant articles there a few weeks back which looked at Ronaldo's record breaking season for United, and everything was pointing on Meulenstein as the main reason. Commended in the rise and development of a lot of top players and goes without saying, many years working with Sir Alex at United.

Add on top of that his work and exposure to Dutch football and coaching.

He was let go by United as Moyes wanted to bring in his own staff ( mistake imo) and he is starting his career at management. Was taken on by Anzi and then gone a few weeks later when the club basically firesold everything.

I'd imagine he would be available for relatively decent wages as he looks to start of his career.

As I said a out of the box suggestion,

In fairness who the hell knows what criteria the FAI have for selecting a candidate. It appears to be " did something good back in the day."

His was the first name that came to mind to be honest and he would be the perfect man for the job which is why he 100% won't even be considered....


Since Anzhi are trying their best to cut back I doubt they will let him go as he has a fantastic reputation in the game for working with developing/coaching younger players etc.


I find it hard to believe that anyone with any interest in football has not heard of him???


Anyway, he would be my pick for sure

tupac_healy

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Applauded for what? Trying to milk a nice little earner to the bitter end? If he actually had any integrity, he should have stepped down after the embarrassment debacle we witnessed at the European Championships. So good riddance to him.

I cannot agree with this even more and anyone that thinks that Trapp was there for the longer term benefit of the team RATHER THAN HIS POCKET is deluded.....


The man was obviously on a great contract with Ireland and the only thing I will say for him is that apparently he has not held out for the full amount and settled.... I'll give him that....



Don't suppose he needs it at this stage :rolleyes:

Will I Amnt

niallo27 wrote: »

Who are we going to blame now when the results are ****e, maybe we might realise now the players we have arent good enough. It was his time to go though he had lost the players. Half of them are a disgrace to the jersey.

The group is panning out as any level headed unbiased person would expect. To me there's a massive difference in finishing fourth while playing that puke football against everybody, even Kazakhstan and Faroes(I can understand it against Germany) than finishing fourth while trying to play ball, picking your players on ability over "grafters" and defensively minded players.

How anybody can part with their money to watch that tripe every time is beyond me.

TheDoc

tupac_healy wrote: »

His was the first name that came to mind to be honest and he would be the perfect man for the job which is why he 100% won't even be considered....


Since Anzhi are trying their best to cut back I doubt they will let him go as he has a fantastic reputation in the game for working with developing/coaching younger players etc.


I find it hard to believe that anyone with any interest in football has not heard of him???


Anyway, he would be my pick for sure

Anzi terminated his contract, he is no longer associated with the club