Dun Laoghaire Traffic & Commuting Chat

Larbre34

And good on him.

We're rolling out of this Covid period and certainly out of this famed "outdoor" summer, its time to start getting real again about normal movement and economic activity in our Communities.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117887428#Comment_117887428

Because only motorists travel and only motorists spend money, presumably?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117887428#Comment_117887428

I'm not sure you're the person to talk about 'getting real' given your tenuous (at best) grasp of facts or evidence.

As I've amply displayed, at least twice.

For someone who sure does like to throw their weight around on this thread and talk about experience, data and facts - it's strange that you never actually present such, and when your claims are shown to be nonsense by using actual evidence and data, you slink away for a few days until repeating said behaviour.

P.S. Maybe if you ever left South County Dublin, you'd have ventured to places outside Ireland that have weather just as bad (if not worse) yet manage outdoor dining & activities all-year round.

Larbre34

Bossman, when the outcomes end up being something other than what I've suggested, feel free to come at me, my record speaks for itself.

All you've displayed is denial and ignorance.

Homesick Alien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117870197#Comment_117870197

It's a destination for people who want to sit in traffic. Deansgrange village is constantly choked with cars and that's not about to improve any time soon it seems.

You have to face reality though, Deansgrange village and the Industries surrounding it wont survive with walkers and cyclists.

The local councillors wont agree to any change that doesnt include two way buses and full access to all premises.

If we are to go by you logic then cars need to be removed from every busy village and town in the country, this isnt going to happen and nor is such a policy being trialled in other villages outside DLR as far as I know.

Time to get real now and upgrade the cycling facilities we already have, too much emphasis on this safe access to school stuff, if you are making busy roads one way then traffic will shift to other roads making them more dangerous and children will need to use these roads to get to the cycle lane. I really cant understand how anyonecan think making Deansgrange Road oneway wont cause chaos, traffic has increased so much in the area and best thing for the environment is to have it move efficiently thus minimising pollution.

And please dont make that traffic will disappear arguement, it simply wont until we improve public transport and make it cheaper.

markpb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117889475#Comment_117889475

"too much emphasis on this safe access to school stuff"

That says it all really.

Have you seen the state of the cycle lane from Stillorgan village to junction of Carysfort Ave, its in such a dire state cyclists are on that busy road instead of the cycle path. This cycle path is shared with pedestrians too, its a disgrace and has been for years.

so please forgive me with the irritation caused by building a few metre length cycle lane on Carysfort Ave itself, this lane goes nowhere but the decrepit lane at stillorgan park could be renovated and children could cycle to school through the Cloister Housing Estate if coming from Stillorgan,no need to to on the road at all.

But, no, lets do nothing about the existing cycle lane and spend thousands on a short stretch of road that goes nowhere.

But sure what do I know about anything.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117889475#Comment_117889475

No-one is building a moat around Deans Grange. The plan is for one-way traffic on one small section of road. It's not going to be cut off from the outside world. Worst case scenario is a small detour for some motorists.

Seaswimmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117889106#Comment_117889106

I would tend to agree with you especially as the councils figures show that 75% of all traffic that is going through the crossroads is not bound for Deansgrange.

Larbre34

So what? If you extended that logic, no one would be able to go anywhere.

If you enact the plan then you displace traffic to Abbey Road and through Fintans Park and I'm quite sure 90% of the total wouldn't be bound for there either.

Deansgrange Road is an important local and regional route (R827), and while greatly improved facilities for safer cycling are very possible on both carriageways, just like you see on hundreds of other roads, it should otherwise be left alone.

Seaswimmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117891310#Comment_117891310

Well if at least some of the 75% took a different route/changed modes/ didn't travel then it would make it easier for the people who actually want to carry out business in Deansgrange. I don't quite get the Fintans Park argument either, It is probably still quicker to go down the Link Road and take a left back up Deansgrange Road. Especially if they were to install a left turn filter (which I suggested in my submission)

I live in Deansgrange beside the library and most of the people I know around here will travel to Monkstown/Blackrock/Dun Laoghaire/Glasthule for socialising and simply just to experience a quiet village environment especially since those recent village/town improvements. Nobody wants to sit outside Insomnia/The Grange/Roast Office with traffic roaring past.

Monkstown isnt a quiet village environment and neither is Blackrock, both have continous traffic passing including double decker buses.

And I wouldnt worry about sitting outside anywhere, I was in a restaurant on sunday and we were cold with the door open. I told the family I wasnt sitting outside in the grotty lane, the food was bad enough without sitting on uncomfortable chairs, such a total waste of money.

And also maybe if you and your neighbours stayed in Deansgrange there would be less traffic in Blackrock.

Seaswimmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117891730#Comment_117891730

Interesting points.. I wonder how both villages are so busy and thriving. Your assumption that myself and my neighbours all drive to Blackrock and/or Monkstown may be wrong. Many would walk. Only 25 minutes to either village. Elderly people around me would get the 46A to the bottom of York Road and walk the 5 minutes to Monkstown or Dun Laoghaire. And believe it or not some also cycle. I include myself and my wife who are in our early sixties. And yes a few who probably need to drive also manage to get there without any problem. They park their cars, enjoy the local amenities and get home seemingly without too much hardship.

I dont think Blackrock is terribly busy and thriving,the retail end seems quiet enough and the Debenhams department store is still empty.

It took forever to get a tenant for the restaurant space in the frascati centre and then we got yet another Camile.

I suppose you might be thinking of people sitting on the street eating chips and drinking coffee/pints, that wouldnt indicate anything and no one will be outside in a few weeks, too cold and damp.

Also Monkstown road is carrying the traffic that used the coast road to get to Dunlaoghaire, the village is choked with traffic, i dont know how you think this is a quiet place, I came very close to being knocked off my bike by a bus there recently so my impression of it is vastly different to yours.

p15574

I know I'm not adding much to the conversation, but reading this thread every day - God, taxiperson, you're a moany f***. No offence.

Larbre34

He's beyond trolling at this stage.

bodgerfederer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117893336#Comment_117893336

ha ha, was thinking the same but was reluctant to give him any more attention.

He's almost a parody of himself.

Surely you’re not this miserable and curmudgeonly in real life taximan? Maybe the internet just brings out the worst in you?

the thought of your poor family having to put up with you as you moan about being outside, the food, the chairs, the children trying to get to school safely, the people in deansgrange having the temerity to visit blackrock, the emptiness of the shops in blackrock, people walking, people cycling, the state of the cycle paths, ...... at least i can stop reading (i must stop reading...)

Why wouldnt I moan about chairs stuck in a grotty lane, I made it clear as we arrived that I wasnt sitting outside.

Wish I had known what the food was going to be like, to think that we spent over one hundreds euros on it, Im still raging.

I hope all those happy campers from Deansgrange get better value for their money, Im getting a take out this weekend and will sit in my garden, at least I can look at my flowers, so over this outdoor summer lark now.

The frascati shopping centre in Blackrock is very quiet, really hoping Marks doesnt leave, that will be the end of it, it was a fantastic centre when I came to live in Blackrock thirty years ago.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117896277#Comment_117896277

Huge car park in Frascati, isn't there?

Mav11

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117893336#Comment_117893336

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117893981#Comment_117893981

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117894088#Comment_117894088

Ye're all very slow to the party see posts #2640 and #2646 (its great that posts can be referenced again, isn't it?). Got reported a few times for abuse 😁😁. Mind you at this point I have some admiration for the Victor Meldrew like perseverance of the poster!!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117896370#Comment_117896370

Yes, think the retail isnt that important now really, the value of the site is the potential for apartments on top of the shopping centre.

Dont know how anyone can say Blackrock is thriving, any retailer I have spoken to is finding things tough.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117896769#Comment_117896769

So people aren't going shopping in Frascati because they think someone is going to build apartments there?

Homesick Alien

All the people who take glee from declaring the "end of the outdoor summer" and the "end of outdoor dining" , "getting real" , "getting back to normal" etc must be raging each day this nice weather continues

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117896871#Comment_117896871

People arent going shopping in Frascati because there isnt much to attract them, for instance you couldnt even buy handtowels anywhere in the village now unless they are on special in Aldis.

Debenhams was the big draw to Blackrock and people are by passing it now to go to Stillorgan, much better range of shops, free surface parking, no multi storey parking and no one way streets.

As I said if a killing can be made on building apartments at this location then thats what will matter to investers,its such a pity as this centre was a thriving busy spot before it was redeveloped.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117900056#Comment_117900056

Well no, we love the good weather but some of us arent into drinking coffee from polystyrene cups while sitting outside with buses passing us.

We can manage to actually go for a walk without buying a lattee so whether there are tables and chairs on pavements makes no difference to us.

This doesnt mean we dont enjoy getting to play our sports which we cant do when its wet and cold, it takes all sorts.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117900268#Comment_117900268

Some of us can manage to go for walk without having the comfort blanket of polluting car traffic going on around us too.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117900255#Comment_117900255

Strange that a hard-nosed business like Aldi would payout substantial rents and set up costs in a place where they're not getting customers?

Larbre34

Don't think I've seen a polystyrene cup in 15 years. You really should get out more TP, spend a few cents in your local community.

I wont drink out of any of those take away cups, has to be a proper mug and a table and chair preferably as far away from other people as possible.

So outdoor dining holds no appeal for me, people sitting as if they were in a train carriage, back to back and paying a fortune for poor food.

Its a very nice concept if you have a nice seaview or perfect weather but spending money to sit on a street with a view of a bus stop, I just dont get this.