Dun Laoghaire Traffic & Commuting Chat

ted1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118323687#Comment_118323687

I think the white water rafting was a great idea. Not everyone wants to play Soccer, GAA or golf.

facilities for other sports is badly needed.

https://www.ciww.com/

ted1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118325037#Comment_118325037

I think we are in agreement in this. Ballybrack village is the same. One car turning right m abs no one is getting through the lights.

Larbre34

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118325342#Comment_118325342

Yeah, but not in a prime site in the City Centre which would lead to massive disruption and inflated costs.

There should be an artificial white water facility in the Country, but it should be on the nationals sports campus in Abbotstown, alongside all the other associated facilities for training and sports physiotherapy, not to mention plentiful parking and spectator opportunities.

Keegan's idea to put it George's Dock was one of the stupidest and most incompetent things I've ever heard, and when it comes to him, thats some achievement.

Larbre34

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118325352#Comment_118325352

Absolutely.

In both cases, Ballybrack and Deansgrange alike, there are alternative routes for people to reach their destinations, with a bit of forethought, without needing a right turn at the main junctions, eg, if you're going to Wyattville Road, it should be approached from the dual carriageway and if you're going to Clonkeen Road it should be from the N11 end.

I know in Deansgrange that banning all right turns, especially when it comes to the business park and Super Valu, would go down very badly, but really I know as many people that don't go to that Super Valu at all because of the stress of it, and I think if it was regularised as a left-in left-out, it would smooth out the access and egress for everyone and actually improve custom.

Also, the active travel routes are going to need safe priority through the junctions so it will be necessary in any case.

Mav11

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118325342#Comment_118325342

Yes, but that is not the point is it? Its the dominance of one employees pet project, regardless of the cost to the taxpayer, that causes the problem.

Burt Renaults

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118324458#Comment_118324458

Yes, it's very poorly designed and I don't entirely blame people for joining the bus lane before it ends. The bus lane should end slightly sooner, and the bus stop should be moved back from the junction (ideally, it should be placed at the very end of the bus lane, which would give cars more space to merge while buses are stopped). Also, buses should never have to pull in out of the way to let passengers on/off. The bus stop

If I was running early or was out of service, I used to mischievously "park" my bus at the end of the bus lane with hazards on, just before the yellow box, for a minute or two (or at least until I saw another bus or taxi in my mirrors) to give priority to drivers who were doing the right thing. It left the cars behind in the bus lane stuck in a very awkward position.

The right turns into the SuperValu car park, the church and the business park beside it, need to go. No business (or church) should have a god-given right to dictate the flow of nearby traffic for their own convenience. It's a shame there isn't room for a large roundabout at Baker's Corner, and an even bigger shame that they got rid of the one at the top of Mounttown Rd.

Larbre34

Roundabouts are a hazard for pedestrians, no two ways about it. The DMURS policy is to provide signal crossings for pedestrians at major junctions and I wouldn't argue with that for a moment. Whatever changes are made locally, pedestrians and indeed cyclists must not be less safe than before it began.

Burt Renaults

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118327245#Comment_118327245

A well-designed roundabout is absolutely not an inherent hazard - driver behaviour is. We don't design them very intuitively in this country, and many drivers don't use them very well. If vehicles are forced to approach and negotiate roundabouts very slowly, indicating correctly, and with good priority given to pedestrians and cyclists, they become safer (and also more free-flowing) for everyone, including cars.

Glencarraig

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118327047#Comment_118327047

Theres only one solution............a flyover !!!!!. Look how well Newlands Cross flows these days............I know, I know......its not the same grade of road but you can be sure if it was in Japan or some other forward thinking country it would have been done years ago.

swampy353

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118327441#Comment_118327441

Its not just down at the Deansgrange end of the road that's poorly designed, Bakers Corner is woeful too. Lat Thur it 20 min to get from Honey Park to turn left at Bakers, all because of the right turn onto Abbey Rd.

It would be much more logical to have no right turn there and use left lane to go left, right lane straight/buses.

Also would be very interested to know how many cyclists use that stretch of the road daily. Have no problem with protected bike lanes but if you are going to impact on several thousand drivers, someone should be benefiting. (Leave the house at 0530, so no cyclists and would always come back down Monkstown Ring Rd to avoid Cill Ave in the evenings)

TheW1zard

Plenty off cyclists, they're just not up at 5.30 for obvious reasons!

Burt Renaults

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118327871#Comment_118327871

Even at rush hour, there isn't a huge volume of cyclists. I'm all in favour of improving cycling infrastructure, but this is quite a frivolous and wasteful example. It would involve road realignment and acquiring some extra land, but a shared bus/cycle lane would be a far better use of that space. It would benefit more people.

ted1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118328510#Comment_118328510

Do you really think putting the biggest road user which has massive blind spots in the same space as the most vulnerable road users is a good idea?

come on, think about it.

Burt Renaults

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118328623#Comment_118328623

Having driven buses and cycled bikes... yes. Since there often isn't room for individual infrastructure for both, I do think shared bus/cycle lanes are a good compromise. Cyclists are allowed to use the few bus lanes we already have anyway. It requires patience and tolerance on both sides. And any properly trained bus driver should know how to deal with blind spots.

Seaswimmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118328701#Comment_118328701

I half agree with you but the problem is that many bus drivers (and particular bus companies) are incapable of sharing the bus lane safely with cyclists and more vulnerable road users. Dublin Bus by and large are pretty good but a quick trip to the cycling forum will see the same bus company names coming up again and again for poor or dangerous driving around cyclists.

Awaaf

On the road between DL town and Foxrock Church the vast majority of it is single lane. I really can't see how creating bus lanes, bike lanes or right turning lanes is massively impacting the flow through the area. To my mind it is busy as it is one of 3 main routes out of DL, there are a lot of car users locally and it also has a lot of schools and employment locations near it. Re: the bus lane on Kill Avenue I think it is hard to do the right thing as a motorist here. Maybe a hard separator as used for the cycle lanes might help keep the cars in the right lane.

Larbre34

The difficulty is, DLR County Council have done their best to break the rules of the road with their new arrangements, by making exception after exception after exception to the accepted conventions on yielding and making turns etc.

It should be no surprise to anyone that there is both congestion and frustration, as well as points of conflict and anger.

Burt Renaults

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118378470#Comment_118378470

The problem with "doing the right thing" and staying out of the bus lane is that it feels slightly cheeky to effectively overtake a string of traffic and then attempt to push your way in at the end of the bus lane. It's easier (especially when it's completely unpoliced) to just blindly follow the queue. I used to often stop my bus, handbrake and hazards on, at the end of the bus lane to give the brave people in the right lane a chance to skip the queue and get through the lights.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118386596#Comment_118386596

It's hard to take your concern for breaking the rules of the road seriously when you come out with stuff like this in a discussion on speeding.

Larbre34

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118425438#Comment_118425438

It wasn't a comment on speeding, it was a comment on grasses.

I accept my obligations to observe the rules of the road at all times, on my bike or in my car, and can expect to be subject to enforcement action by An Garda Síochána, who have jurisdiction, if I do not.

What I don't accept is the self-appointed jurisdiction of snitches and busybodies, who nobody appointed under any law to do anything,

In any case, the point I made above was looking for consistency and adherence to the statutes from local authorities, not anything else.

As someone who, by their own admission, spends their time cycling on the M50 looking for people using handheld phones just to report them, I find it all a bit rich coming from you.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118431254#Comment_118431254

What kind of 'jurisdiction' do I need to report a traffic offence to the Gardai, or indeed any offence to any enforcement body?

Am I a snitch if I report a planning violation to the planning enforcement team? Am I a snitch if I report a littering offence to the litter warden? Am I a snitch if I report an assault that I witness to the Gardai?

What is it specifically about traffic offences that brings out your attempts to intimidate others?

qb123

Am I a snitch if I report a planning violation to the planning enforcement team? Am I a snitch if I report a littering offence to the litter warden? Am I a snitch if I report an assault that I witness to the Gardai?

Well yes, you are.

Larbre34

I feel a bit like my Leo Varadkar to your Paddy Cosgrave, Andrew.

I don't quite know whether to be flattered by the attention or irritated by the pettiness of it all. U ok hun?

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118433621#Comment_118433621

So just to be clear, when a member of your family gets assaulted, you want me to keep schtum? When I see a builder's truck flytipping outside your property, you want me to keep schtum?

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118433624#Comment_118433624

Seems like you're trying to change the subject. Again I'd ask why you feel the need to intimidate people who are reporting offences to relevant authorities?

qb123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118433757#Comment_118433757

No, I'm just saying that by informing an authority you are by definition a snitch. How you feel about it varies depending on the circumstances. In the above examples you'd probably feel morally upright and quite pleased with yourself. But if it related to, say, a cyclist breaking a red light, or someone drinking in public, you might feel differently.

bodgerfederer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118433624#Comment_118433624

i think everyone is 'ok hun'.

but comments like 'What I don't accept is the self-appointed jurisdiction of snitches and busybodies, who nobody appointed under any law to do anything' are complete nonsense... they don't paint a nice picture of you. it gives the impression that you hold little value to civic duty or society as a whole. that you feel entitled to engage in whatever behaviour suits you and everyone else can just keep quiet.

'snitches' and 'grasses', it's just not nice language. it's the lexicon of a silly boy full of bravado or an actual criminal.

maybe you're neither of these. maybe you're a really nice neighbourly guy but just one of the many who feels like language can be thrown around with thought or consequence on the internet.

but it's tiresome. please stop.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118434136#Comment_118434136

Perhaps I may have taken the bait a little too quickly. Clearly snitch is a fairly derogatory term, dripping with intent to put the 'snitch' down or mark them out as not doing the right thing.

I've no problem with people reporting any issue to the relevant authorities. It's up to the relevant authority to decide how to handle the report appropriately.

Larbre34

Bodger, Andrew brought in a quote of mine from a different forum, out of context, to make some noise.

We have an ongoing disagreeable relationship and don't need you hurling off the ditch as well,so stay out of it.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118436734#Comment_118436734

Andrew pointed out the breathtaking hypocrisy involved in railing against named public officials for not following the letter of planning law while coming out with snitches get stitches about reporting of traffic offences.