Dun Laoghaire Traffic & Commuting Chat

ted1

hayoc wrote: »

Cycling isnt just dangerous because of cars on the road though?

Most of my own accidents were due to weather, stuff on the roads (ie, a nail causing a sudden puncture), and badly maintained roads (potholes).

How many accidents did you have ?
Cars and HGVs are by far the the biggest danger on the road.They kill several people a week

Tabnabs

Homesick Alien wrote: »

There has always been a tailback at those lights. Every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Ridiculous to blame it on cycle lanes. There's not even a painted cycle lane on that road.

As for your power grab comment I genuinely can't tell if you're trolling but I hope you are

My last 15 years of commuting must be a dream so, because I've never had so much time to admire the various shopfronts along the route as I have in the last week. The fact that traffic to and from DL town has increased dramatically along the remaining arteries cannot be disputed, but is being both ignored and tolerated by a vocal minority.

RosieJoe

Can we not just stick to the thread topic? How hard is it to self moderate? Talking about the cycle lanes in DL, fair enough. But here we go again with off topic conversations that have been done to death elsewhere.

hayoc

ted1 wrote: »

How many accidents did you have ?
Cars and HGVs are by far the the biggest danger on the road.They kill several people a week

Gosh, I really cant recall, I cycled for about 7-8 years in total (broken up over 2 different jobs). I recall one bad accident where an ambulance was called because I was knocked out cold (black ice) and a whole variety of minors ones where I came off the bike but was able to get back on ok with just skinned knees/hands or minor bits and pieces, also times when I was ok but the bike wasnt.

Actually, I didnt use roads for a lot of the trip, there was (could be gone now) an old disused laneway that cut through countryside for a good portion of it so I avoided roads by using that - never had an accident on that laneway though!

Its a long time ago now, I havent cycled to work in over 10 years. I dont even use the stationary bikes in the gym because its just not an activity I enjoy.

ted1

Tabnabs wrote: »

My last 15 years of commuting must be a dream so, because I've never had so much time to admire the various shopfronts along the route as I have in the last week. The fact that traffic to and from DL town has increased dramatically along the remaining arteries cannot be disputed, but is being both ignored and tolerated by a vocal minority.

It’s great for those businesses, people who would use the sea front are now passing their business. There seems to be a vocal crowd opposed to it to.

JayRoc

RosieJoe wrote: »

Can we not just stick to the thread topic? How hard is it to self moderate? Talking about the cycle lanes in DL, fair enough.

Tbf there hasn't been any discussion on any topic in 2 weeks, if there is something you would like to talk about, fire away!

Tabnabs

ted1 wrote: »

It’s great for those businesses, people who would use the sea front are now passing their business. There seems to be a vocal crowd opposed to it to.

The shops that are closed as it's before 9am like?

JayRoc

JayRoc wrote: »

if there is something you would like to talk about

Actually on that note, there seems to be a lot of work going on in the park and the waste ground between Blackrock and Booterstown. Anyone know what's being done?

AndrewJRenko

Cyrus wrote: »

What are the benefits exactly?

Exercise - sure its a bit but you need a long cycle to get any proper exercise in

We could start with the near halving in cancer rates for those who cycle to work.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-39641122

AndrewJRenko

Cyrus wrote: »

Cycling is never going to be for everyone.

Driving is never going to be for everyone.

So no more road building, right?

em_cat

We are moving to Dun Laoghaire in the near future, just waiting for our house to be built.

I for one am delighted that there is better cycling infrastructure, my OH will likely be back in the bike when we do as he doesn’t drive. I would too, however, in 2016 I was run over by a HGV, lost a leg and nearly died so no don’t think I will. I also drive and walk a lot, so I’m seriously in favour of segregated cycling infrastructure, it keeps the cars, bikes & pedestrians safer, Sure it may slow down people in cars, but that’s better than accidents occurring and eye watering insurance claims.

Cyrus

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

We could start with the near halving in cancer rates for those who cycle to work.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-39641122

but thats not a specific benefit of cycling, its a benefit of exercising.

you know that though.

loyatemu

I'm sick of this argument - have a look at Holland, have a look at Copenhagen, even have a look at London. The evidence is there - if you build decent cycling infrastructure, people will cycle and in large numbers. Ireland is not different. and if you don't see the obvious benefits in having lots of people cycling instead of driving then arguing with you is futile.

Mav11

Cyrus wrote: »

but thats not a specific benefit of cycling, its a benefit of exercising.

loyatemu wrote: »

I'm sick of this argument - have a look at Holland, have a look at Copenhagen, even have a look at London. The evidence is there - if you build decent cycling infrastructure, people will cycle and in large numbers. Ireland is not different. and if you don't see the obvious benefits in having lots of people cycling instead of driving then arguing with you is futile.

Has to be a wind up. See post #1094

Cyrus

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Driving is never going to be for everyone.

So no more road building, right?

you got me. only the majority of people drive or take public transport and that wont become a majority of cyclists.

Cyrus

Mav11 wrote: »

Has to be a wind up. See post #1094

its not a wind up, fitter people are less likely to get sick, you dont need to cycle to work to be fit, but id assume people who cycle to work tend to be fitter.

Mav11

Cyrus wrote: »

its not a wind up, fitter people are less likely to get sick, you dont need to cycle to work to be fit, but id assume people who cycle to work tend to be fitter.

I think that I'll listen to the scientific evidence on the scope and low impact nature of cycling. But it is not that one form of exercise is more beneficial than another, it is that cycling bring very specific benefits. See the article below.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-18954012

Cyrus

Mav11 wrote: »

I think that I'll listen to the scientific evidence on the scope and low impact nature of cycling. But it is not that one form of exercise is more beneficial than another, it is that cycling bring very specific benefits. See the article below.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-18954012

have you read it, it doesnt outline any specific benefits of cycling other than its low impact.

what about people on electric bikes then that are hardly pedalling, are you as supportive of them?

hayoc

Mav11 wrote: »

I think that I'll listen to the scientific evidence on the scope and low impact nature of cycling. But it is not that one form of exercise is more beneficial than another, it is that cycling bring very specific benefits. See the article below.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-18954012

Cant disagree with the conclusion of that article.

Prof Timmons said: "There's not a magic exercise out there. Do the exercise you enjoy the most and the exercise most likely to fit into your life."

But he warned: "You might look a bit silly in lycra."

Cyrus

loyatemu wrote: »

I'm sick of this argument - have a look at Holland, have a look at Copenhagen, even have a look at London. The evidence is there - if you build decent cycling infrastructure, people will cycle and in large numbers. Ireland is not different. and if you don't see the obvious benefits in having lots of people cycling instead of driving then arguing with you is futile.

im sick of cyclists assuming that there can be no contrarian view to cycling good everything else is bad.

Mav11

Cyrus wrote: »

im sick of cyclists assuming that there can be no contrarian view to cycling good everything else is bad.

I haven't seen anybody take the position that "cycling good everything else is bad". No problem either with contrarian positions, but for such a position to be taken seriously it needs to be well founded.

AndrewJRenko

Cyrus wrote: »

but thats not a specific benefit of cycling, its a benefit of exercising.

you know that though.

It is a benefit of cycling. It's what you asked for. There are many more benefits. That's why NHS doctors are prescribing cycling for their patients now.

Cyrus wrote: »

you got me. only the majority of people drive or take public transport and that wont become a majority of cyclists.

More people cycle to work in Dublin than use DART, Luas and suburban rail combined. This is not a niche issue.
But again, you had a problem with provision for cycling because 'not everyone will cycle'. Why don't you have a problem with roads for motorists on the same basis?

Cyrus wrote: »

its not a wind up, fitter people are less likely to get sick, you dont need to cycle to work to be fit, but id assume people who cycle to work tend to be fitter.

Yes, people who cycle to work are fitter, and have halved their risk of cancer, among other benefits. Just think about the potential impact of that on our health service just for a minute.

Cyrus wrote: »

have you read it, it doesnt outline any specific benefits of cycling other than its low impact.

what about people on electric bikes then that are hardly pedalling, are you as supportive of them?

Yes.
https://electricbikeblog.com/5-important-health-benefits-electric-bikes/

hayoc wrote: »

Cant disagree with the conclusion of that article.

What is the obsession with lycra all about? Lots of people wear lycra in lots of situations now. Have you had a look around you in Lidl or at the school gates.

Cyrus wrote: »

im sick of cyclists assuming that there can be no contrarian view to cycling good everything else is bad.

Not so much 'everything else is bad' as 'driving an 80% empty 98% inefficient polluting tonne or two of metal for mostly short journeys' is bad.

lil5

Less of the cycling discussion*, more about the DL issues.

*It's getting a) tiresome and b) it's largely off-topic.

JayRoc

lil5 wrote: »

Less of the cycling discussion*, more about the DL issues.

*It's getting a) tiresome and b) it's largely off-topic.

As I said before, though, nothing else is driving discussion here. There can be a fortnight with no activity here at all, then discussion on the cycling infrastucture begins again and the thread gets lively.

Like it or not, it appears to be the only thing people want to discuss here.

And (this is not aimed at you personally!) you could argue that it's just as tiresome for people who aren't mods to keep telling other posters what topics can and cannot be discussed

hayoc

lil5 wrote: »

Less of the cycling discussion*, more about the DL issues.

*It's getting a) tiresome and b) it's largely off-topic.

Alright then - give us a DL issue that you have an opinion on and lets go.

Cyrus

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

It is a benefit of cycling. It's what you asked for. There are many more benefits. That's why NHS doctors are prescribing cycling for their patients now.


More people cycle to work in Dublin than use DART, Luas and suburban rail combined. This is not a niche issue.
But again, you had a problem with provision for cycling because 'not everyone will cycle'. Why don't you have a problem with roads for motorists on the same basis?


Yes, people who cycle to work are fitter, and have halved their risk of cancer, among other benefits. Just think about the potential impact of that on our health service just for a minute.


Yes.
https://electricbikeblog.com/5-important-health-benefits-electric-bikes/

What is the obsession with lycra all about? Lots of people wear lycra in lots of situations now. Have you had a look around you in Lidl or at the school gates.


Not so much 'everything else is bad' as 'driving an 80% empty 98% inefficient polluting tonne or two of metal for mostly short journeys' is bad.

i asked about specific benefits of cycling, exercise is beneficial i dont think anyone would argue against that, im saying cycling isnt any more beneficial than other forms.

Im sure NHS doctors prescribe swimming and walking aswell for example.

There is more recent data id wager, but this suggests that it is a niche issue:
https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cp6ci/p6cii/p6mtw/

and see the above report for why drivers needs are more important than cyclists.

Finally re electric bikes, if the ebikes blogs says they are great thats me sold :pac:

ted1

Cyrus wrote: »

you got me. only the majority of people drive or take public transport and that wont become a majority of cyclists.

Evidence says differently. Look to the Danes and Dutch but also look at the details on the link below

https://www.stickybottle.com/latest-news/cyclists-have-begun-to-outnumber-cars-in-parts-of-dublin-city/

ted1

Cyrus wrote: »

i asked about specific benefits of cycling, exercise is beneficial i dont think anyone would argue against that, im saying cycling isnt any more beneficial than other forms.

Im sure NHS doctors prescribe swimming and walking aswell for example.

There is more recent data id wager, but this suggests that it is a niche issue:
https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cp6ci/p6cii/p6mtw/

and see the above report for why drivers needs are more important than cyclists.

Finally re electric bikes, if the ebikes blogs says they are great thats me sold :pac:

Except Cyclists displace cars and as such the Air quality improves. Swimmers don’t help improve the air quality.

hayoc

ted1 wrote: »

Except Cyclists displace cars and as such the Air quality improves. Swimmers don’t help improve the air quality.

Except the reverse is actually true.

Cyclists displace cars from some roads to form long lines of traffic queues on other roads, causing the cars to run for longer emitting more fumes than if theyd just gone from A to B without delay.

Cyrus

ted1 wrote: »

Evidence says differently. Look to the Danes and Dutch but also look at the details on the link below

https://www.stickybottle.com/latest-news/cyclists-have-begun-to-outnumber-cars-in-parts-of-dublin-city/

the cso report isnt evidence?