Costa Concordia to be refloated 16th September

Muise...

Mr Benevolent wrote: »

Anyone know how the Costa Coffee Concordia is doing now? No Sky News here.

free livestream here: http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2013/sep/16/costa-concordia-live-video-stream-hls

She's off the reef but not upright yet.

irishgeo

the discovery/national geo documentary should make good viewing when its out later in the year.

Thrill

The ship is now almost completely upright. Amazing job.

Live video feed.

http://live.reuters.com/Event/Raising_the_Costa_Concordia

pharmaton

completely upright there now, three soundings of foghorn followed by applause which I imagine signals the end of that part of the operation. Looks freaky.

Lurching

kneemos wrote: »

What if they built the rockets from the ship.Didn't allow for that did ya?

Then there'd be no ship left to shoot in to space.

Steel scrap value alone would be interesting, but wouldn't add up to more than 1% of the salvage cost.

Say €100/T for scrap = €5,000,000.

seamus

Flawless job. There are a few project managers who can expect a big raise this year

.jacksparrow.

Can't wait for the nailed on discovery channel documentary about this!

BeerWolf

Owen_S wrote: »

You can see the ship in it's current state on Google Maps!
https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&t=h&vpsrc=1&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=212059469427545728757.0004b6e2ef5da5d7f6600

Really puts a perspective of how big the ship was

Irish Stones

Mr Benevolent wrote: »

Italians refloating an cruise ship? This will be entertaining.

We are a bunch of idiots!
We would be never able to do such a thing, all the job has given to foreing crews.
We aren't able to right a fallen broom let alone a liner!
This is the biggest shame we ever had, and we had many.

SpaceTime

There's an episode of Futurama (produced long before the Costa Concordia disaster) which seemed remarkably like what happened.

http://theinfosphere.org/Titanic

Irish Stones

Originally Posted by gobnaitolunacy
The salvors are a Dutch company.

vicwatson wrote: »

Americans and Italians

On April, 21st, 2012, Costa Crociere and the Costa Concordia Emergency Commissioner’s Office announced that the tender for the removal of the ship from Giglio Island has been awarded to Titan Salvage in partnership with the Italian firm Micoperi. The work begun in early May after final approval from the Italian authorities.
Titan Salvage is an American-owned specialist marine salvage and wreck removal company, part of the Crowley Group, and is a world leader in its field. Micoperi is a well-known Italian marine contractor with a long history as a specialist in underwater construction and engineering.

Of course it's a joint operation.
Italians do the catering, what else could we do?

SpaceTime

To be fair, there aren't many companies with the specialist equipment and expertise necessary to float something that size.

There's a particular speciality of marine engineering in the Netherlands, largely because a large part of their country is entirely dependent on massive marine engineering to keep it dry. That and they've always had a very serious ship building and other related industries.

There would be a few big marine engineering companies around but not very many. The work's largely confined to the oil / gas industry etc etc. I don't think there would be much call for it in Italy most of the time.

There were some very successful major Italian civil and structural engineering jobs done over the years though and some very serious italian engineering companies. I think you're being a little unfair on the Italians.
Yeah, the Italian government can be a bit chaotic, but there are some excellent Italian companies out there.
I mean, if you look around most kitchens in Europe, the majority of the appliances are still Italian. Italian cars still sell well and Italian sports cars are still seen as marvels of design and engineering.

bonzodog2

The reuters site currently has a 1 minute time-lapse video of the raising operation
http://live.reuters.com/Event/Raising_the_Costa_Concordia

MadYaker

Wow, thats an impressive operation. Where is the money to pay for this coming from though? I mean surely they're just going to tow it out to sea and sink it?

SpaceTime

I would assume the insurers are footing the bill.

Muise...

MadYaker wrote: »

Wow, thats an impressive operation. Where is the money to pay for this coming from though? I mean surely they're just going to tow it out to sea and sink it?

No, they're going to salvage what they can and sell it for scrap.

Sadly, there are two people presumed drowned whose bodies have not been found. So they'll look for them too.

Irish Stones

MadYaker wrote: »

Wow, thats an impressive operation. Where is the money to pay for this coming from though? I mean surely they're just going to tow it out to sea and sink it?

The company that owns the liner is paying for the recovery of the ship, about 450,000 euro, more or less the same value of the ship itself.
Then there's the money to keep the marine environment checked for the next five years.
There's the money to refund the islanders for the loss of tourism.
There's the money to tow the liner to the shipyard where it'll be dismantled.
There's the money lost by the company after the incident because of the loss of customers and the loss of value of the stocks.
It is said that is something around 1.5 billion euro.

Then there will be the money that the insurance companies will have to pay to the tourists and the crew involved and the refund to the families of the victims.
The news tonight told af an amount around 1 billion euro.

That idiot captain should pay this money out of his pockets.
But he's still there, with his brave face in front of the cameras.
He's the stereotype of the Italians, careless and stupid.

gramar

Irish Stones wrote: »

The company that owns the liner is paying for the recovery of the ship, about 450,000 euro, more or less the same value of the ship itself.
Then there's the money to keep the marine environment checked for the next five years.
There's the money to refund the islanders for the loss of tourism.
There's the money to tow the liner to the shipyard where it'll be dismantled.
There's the money lost by the company after the incident because of the loss of customers and the loss of value of the stocks.
It is said that is something around 1.5 billion euro.

Then there will be the money that the insurance companies will have to pay to the tourists and the crew involved and the refund to the families of the victims.
The news tonight told af an amount around 1 billion euro.

That idiot captain should pay this money out of his pockets.
But he's still there, with his brave face in front of the cameras.
He's the stereotype of the Italians, careless and stupid.

..because he'll have that kind of loose change on him....

Irish Stones

gramar wrote: »

..because he'll have that kind of loose change on him....

He could start with giving away everything he has, everything.
And then he could work for the rest of his poor life for free.
The idea that over here we have such people disgusts me. We have plentiful of morons, we don't need more.
Have you looked at his face? Have you seen how arrogant he is?
Do you remember the phone call between him and the port authority and what kind of petty excuses he used to justify his position? Is he a man?
I'd like to kick him in his arse for the eternity, fecking Neapolitan!

Capt'n Midnight

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24121480
The salvage project has so far cost more than 600m euros ($800m; £500m) and is expected to cost much more before the operation is complete

Would it have been cheaper to just bury it and reclaim some land,

If the insurance companies have already paid out then they own all the jewels and wine in the ship

MadYaker

I'm assuming the insurance companies haven't paid out yet since its going to be months before the ship is seaworthy again and they can take it off that platform, according to BBC News. So basically the insurance companies are going to take the hit and then they'll get back whatever they can from scrapping the ship since they'll own it as soon as they've paid up.

intellectual dosser

MadYaker wrote: »

I'm assuming the insurance companies haven't paid out yet since its going to be months before the ship is seaworthy again and they can take it off that platform, according to BBC News. So basically the insurance companies are going to take the hit and then they'll get back whatever they can from scrapping the ship since they'll own it as soon as they've paid up.

When you say 'seaworthy' do you mean that it's fit to be brought to a port and scrapped? I take it this ship will never sail on its own power again?

Muise...

intellectual dosser wrote: »

When you say 'seaworthy' do you mean that it's fit to be brought to a port and scrapped? I take it this ship will never sail on its own power again?

yes, seaworthy as in afloat and fit to be towed. There's a lot of damage to the side that was lying on the seabed.

SpaceTime

On the plus side, at least it's a liner and not a tanker. The environmental implications are pretty limited to just fuel oil spills and general rubbish / fixtures and fittings / structural components etc

kippy

Muise... wrote: »

yes, seaworthy as in afloat and fit to be towed. There's a lot of damage to the side that was lying on the seabed.

The only way it is going to float is with the assistance of those huge ballast tanks that they are going to weld/attach to both sides of it.

Irish Stones

kippy wrote: »

The only way it is going to float is with the assistance of those huge ballast tanks that they are going to weld/attach to both sides of it.

It seems now that they fear that the ship could not withstand the towing to another harbour, it could crack in two or more segments.
So they could use a huge platform that will take the Concordia onboard

http://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2013/09/19/foto/una_gigantesca_piattaforma_galleggiante-66848408/1/#1

The latest news is that the Minister for Transports has withdrawn the sailing license to that killer captain only yesterday!

josip

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

That would definitely be more expensive.

As of 2011 the cheapest cost to orbit for a pound of cargo was $18,149. The Costa Concordia has a displacement of 51,387 tonnes, or 113,289,000 pounds.

Getting it into space at 2011 prices would cost $2,056,082,061,000 or €1,540,945,093,190.88. Over 1.5 trillion Euro. And that's if you had already sliced it up in to chunks small enough for launch.

Maximus, where do you find the official displacement? Do they normally estimate these things or do they try to accurately measure when it's in dry dock or somewhere?

A lot of sites quote it at (a very suspiciously even) 50,000 (metric) tonnes.
The 51,387 tonnes figure looks like a tonnification of a (a very suspiciously even) 113,289,000 pounds

Maximus Alexander

josip wrote: »

Maximus, where do you find the official displacement? Do they normally estimate these things or do they try to accurately measure when it's in dry dock or somewhere?

A lot of sites quote it at (a very suspiciously even) 50,000 (metric) tonnes.
The 51,387 tonnes figure looks like a tonnification of a (a very suspiciously even) 113,289,000 pounds

I couldn't find a reliable source that categorically stated its exact displacement, but I found sources that claimed it was 50,000, 51,387, and around 53,000. I went with the middle figure because that's usually where the truth lies!

homerjay2005

why did they not dismantle it as it is and then take it away in parts? surely its less time consuming and expensive to do it this way, rather than waiting 18 months to get it upright and then tow it.

seems alot of waste in terms of time, effort and money.

seamus

I'm not sure how you propose that they easily dismantle a ship that's tipped on its side, half submerged and precariously balanced?

Thinking about this, the ship being tipped over is probably why they opted to parbuckle it rather than tow it out and sink it. In order to float the ship, you need to attach air tanks to the hull. But since one side of the hull was resting on the reef, this wouldn't be an option. You couldn't really attach tanks to the roof of the ship, because the roof is not designed to take that stress, and would likely buckle and break after being floated.